Omni Casino tricks

[Stanford]

Things have changed for real. The current philosophies of online casinos are just going to drive more and more online gamers to land casinos that in most cases are no more than 1 hour's driving away and whose pretty girls and swimming pools are real and touchable! Do you agree?

-sming

This is an excellent post. Yes I do agree.

Can you imagine getting a room comp refused with - "Sir, we don't count action from roulette and craps."

Another thing. When I called a hotel last week they shipped me right over to marketing to talk to a host. I got a casino rate, we talked the best way to srtucture my player card and my wife's to opitimize comps, and we talked about average bet needed for RFB. No one called me a comp whore. I wasn't at odds with the casino. And I could actually talk to someone in management with decision making ability.

Rarely if ever happens online. There is a real us vs. them mentality developing.

Bryan, I noted you only removed Omni from the recommended section pending resoulution. That's a good first step. I am optimistic that things will turn around. Wish I was the proverbial fly during discussions to understand how things could spin out of control this much.

Stanford.

 

[KasinoKing]

The current philosophies of online casinos are just going to drive more and more online gamers to land casinos that in most cases are no more than 1 hour's driving away and whose pretty girls and swimming pools are real and touchable! Do you agree?

Great post! Really made my day!

But you have to remember not everyone lives near a Vegas style casino - or even, in the USA!

I didn't even know B&M casino's offer any 'comps' until I read it on this forum!
And I certainly don't expect any such hospitality on the rare occasions I drive for an hour to my nearest casino with my hard earned 100 quid ($190) clutched in my sweaty paw.

I like your 'coal-miner' analogy - been there - done loads of mining!
I agree with you about the game restrictions - I personally am not bothered about BlackJack or Video Poker at all, but I WOULD like to have a little dabble with Roulette & Craps if it was allowed in WR. However, slots-only bonuses have very little appeal to me - but I do take them up for the entertainment value as they are MUCH better than the crap 'fruit machines' we have in this country!

Yours, naked pissed gambler,
KK.

 

[The Dude]

...
and it's brYan!!!!

Y Y Y Y Y Y fucking YYYYYYYY!!!
friggin' BRYAN for christ's sake!!!!

Sorry - freaked out on the name thing a little. It's just a touchy thing for me. I like my name the way it is - and it bugs me when I get confused with all of the "i" people.

 

[padanian]

Sorry - freaked out on the name thing a little. It's just a touchy thing for me. I like my name the way it is - and it bugs me when I get confused with all of the "i" people.

I guess you were playing Casinomeister System with a lot of fuel...

 

[dominique]

WTF???

Who got rogued here?? No one! Did I shoot anyone down?? Don't think so!! Were they put on a "Not Recommended" list?? Wrong again! No such animal.

and it's brYan!!!!

Y Y Y Y Y Y fucking YYYYYYYY!!!
friggin' BRYAN for christ's sake!!!!

Holy Cow! Now how many sorrys am I going to need here?

Sorry, Sorry, Sorry, sorry, sorry, and especially sorry because I totally know it's Bryan and have known all along and just didn't pay attention when typing.

I did not mean you personally rogueing them, or shooting them down - I was talking about the thread, not you personally. You don't generally do any of that anyway - you have a cool head (except when it comes to Bryan versus Brian , but that's ok. ) The "not recommended list" - sorry again. Should be "not on the recommended list". My bad.

The thread just got to me - there are so many real axxholes of casinos out there happily screwing people for years on end and they get redeemed, and Omni, which has been wonderful all these years, gets bashed so much. It just starts looking like the moral of the story is to just screw everyone in the first place, it's more profitable and you can always say you're sorry and be redeemed.

Maybe I am overly sensitive, but I just saw a wrong message here. I am not saying that Omni did right with the bonus issue - I definitely agree it's a mess. I just don't want to see them equated with places that routinely screw players and get away with it. They are still a decent casino - they just have a problem to fix.

But the thread has turned around a lot anyway - I agree with everything Stanford has said.

 

[The Dude]

Sorry. I had a drill sergeant flashback.

 

[dominique]

Beats having a brain fart !

 

[RobWin]

More and more, the bonuses and comps of online casinos today are further and further distant in nature from the straightforward and authentic comps of land casinos, e.g. free room and food and drinks, free airline tickets, limousine pickup, shopping spree certificates, presidential suite, show tickets, a shopping mall walk-through with your hostess picking up the bill in the end, the king-like treatment by everyone from the land casino, etc. etc. Yeah, by fairness and by willingness, we players bet big and long. We win and lose, so what?! That is all part of the game. What are the bonuses and comps of online casinos like today? For the promise of a bonus that could easily be denied with any excuse of "are final", the player gets such a lien of WR that playing his/her favorate game is no longer fun at all but more like a coal miner deep inside the dirt wondering whether he/she would ever see the light of day again! What is even worse, the bonuses and comps of today forces the player to lose on games that he absolutely has no interest in. It is like forcing you in a land casino to sit for hours and days next to your greatgrandma and her pals going through the torture of listening to the ding-ding-dong-dong of pennies when what you really want to play are blackjacks, bacarrat, roulette, and crap where real excitement is and where your brain will be constantly challenged so that Alzeimer's disease will never come close to you! Hay! Where is the slogan "We are a cyberspace casino and we pass our savings of the huge operating expenses that a land casino must incur to you! Come to us in your bikini or even in your birthday clothing from the comfort of your home!"?! Things have changed for real. The current philosophies of online casinos are just going to drive more and more online gamers to land casinos that in most cases are no more than 1 hour's driving away and whose pretty girls and swimming pools are real and touchable! Do you agree?

-sming

Man oh Man Sming, You hit the nail right on the head....couldn't agree with you more.... I swear I get free offers every month from Harrahs Casinos all over the US for free airline tickets, the best suites, conceirge & limo service, $500.00 - $1,000.00 in free chips and the same amount for my wife to go shopping on with a casino host while I am playing, 24 hour butler room service, show tickets with backstage passes.... man it is unreal compared to the measly and damn near insulting comps and small amounts of free cash I get from all my action at online casinos.

I can not understand how they almost have totally no overhead compared to land based casinos and still its like trying to pull teeth out of most of these online casinos to get some sort of small freebie from them and then when you do there are CONDITIONS ATTACHED before you can walk out of the casino with your cash.

Could you imagine what the VIP players would say or do in a land based casino if they were told they had to wager a certain amount of their money before they could cash out and leave the casino !!

 

[two_card]

How many people are still owed money from this fiasco ?

Did Bryan get all the "Pitch a Bitch"s paid ?

 

[Stanford]

How many people are still owed money from this fiasco ?

Did Bryan get all the "Pitch a Bitch"s paid ?

And is it safe to go back into the water? I suppose we should not play there until we get the go ahead. After all, they are no longer recomended. I am holding off although I played Sands with no problem.

Meister, please give us a heads up when things are resolved.

Stanford.

 

[BakuPT]

I just sign up at Omni last month and deposited 300$, so i was left with 390$ to play around. I lost all really fast but thats gambling. Had i to gamble 3000$ to get the 90$ and i wouldnt have it unless i deposited more.
This month i deposited 100$ and as soon as i achieved the 4000$ in action i got 100$ in my acount in a day.

 

[Tekman]

How many people are still owed money from this fiasco ?

Did Bryan get all the "Pitch a Bitch"s paid ?

Well, I haven't been paid. How about the others? Am I being penalised for posting on this forum when they had ignored me for 2 weeks?

 

[Catwoman]

I still haven't been paid either despite pitching a bitch a couple of weeks ago and them sending me an email advertising it.

Bet well over the wagering as well playing blackjack at $100 a hand, even had $500 on one hand.

 

[CJack]

I have not been given the bonus - met the wagering requirements.

 

[spooler]

My bonus was denied in November also

My bonus was denied in November even though I had completed the wagering requirements.

I didn't have time push this further until now, but I will pitch a bitch in a minute.

 

[The Dude]

Like I mentioned before, the PABs are being reviewed by the casino. It's up to them on how to handle these. If you're going to be playing at this casino, why not play without using a bonus? It's possible y'know.

If I were to turn down every pitch a bitch that concerned a bonus, I wouldn't have hardly anything to do, and the complaints section in the forum would be a ghost town. Dwell on this for a few minutes...

 

[bethug]

That why i like inetbet casino, they give me money every month for being loyal, from 20 to 100 bucks

Alot of them bonus are to much trouble. Casinomeister is right, learn to play with out bonus, less problems. The two problems i had is when i took bonus.

 

[two_card]

I have no trouble playing at a casino without a bonus.

But I will not play in support of the players they have cheated.

As soon as this OMNI problem is settled - I will go back to playing there.

 

[Stanford]

Like I mentioned before, the PABs are being reviewed by the casino. It's up to them on how to handle these. If you're going to be playing at this casino, why not play without using a bonus? It's possible y'know.

If I were to turn down every pitch a bitch that concerned a bonus, I wouldn't have hardly anything to do, and the complaints section in the forum would be a ghost town. Dwell on this for a few minutes...

I suppose. I do play without a bonus from time to time but a bonus is just a rewards program. Why would I play differently than I do with Brick and Mortar casinos. Sure your complaints would go down. But so would the overall volume.

I am disappointed that their is no committment (by Omni) to resolve the PABs. Maybe it is time to forget Omni's past reputation. If they don't honor it, why should we?

Stanford.

 

[Stanford]

Hope this isn't a december bonus

I have not been given the bonus - met the wagering requirements.

CJack when was this? I am curious if this is part of a past problem or if this is continuing.

Sorry for your trouble.

Stanford.

 

[Weedlayer]

I for one got the bonus for December. Played about $5000 though. Also happened to lose about $350 doing it.

YMMV.

 

[cipher]

Like I mentioned before, the PABs are being reviewed by the casino. It's up to them on how to handle these. If you're going to be playing at this casino, why not play without using a bonus? It's possible y'know.

If I were to turn down every pitch a bitch that concerned a bonus, I wouldn't have hardly anything to do, and the complaints section in the forum would be a ghost town. Dwell on this for a few minutes...

"If you're going to be playing at this casino, why not play without using a bonus? It's possible y'know. " Truer words were never spoken.

The last time I remember having anything to do with a case that didn't have anything to do with a bonus problem was the Pirate case. Have a good one.

 

[CJack]

CJack when was this? I am curious if this is part of a past problem or if this is continuing.

Sorry for your trouble.

Stanford.

In October wagered and received the bonus.
Wagered a small amount after getting the bonus.
Cashed-in with no problems.

Deposited $200 on 11/04/04.
Wagered $2785.

No commuications from OMNI relating to the bonus situation.

 

[Stanford]

No commuications from OMNI relating to the bonus situation.

I am reading at WOL that they offered a player the November bonus they qualified for in November. But they have to wager an additional $4,000.

Apparantly, they have no intention of doing the right thing. This is very disappointing. Whomever is running the show over there now is out of touch, if not out of their minds.

Stanford.

 

[dominique]

I have defended Omni both here and at wol. I posted this at wol this morning:


I am very disappointed - I have been a stout supporter of Omni for years, including at the beginning of these incidents.

I can even understand their need to tighten the belt and become more restrictive with bonuses, afterall bonuses are not just given to people who drop considerable amounts of money like in Vegas, but to everyone. They do affect the bottom line and need to be adjusted to justify the expense, which will vary as time goes. The industry has not had a very good year since the US clampdown on casino advertising. This causes a lot of repeat players claiming this bonus , but it attracts less new players since the message that the bonus is available is not delivered as effectively anymore.

I will not be surprised to see more casinos tightening the restrictions or redesigning bonuses.

The problem with Omni is that you don't change the rules in the middle of the game. That is considered breach of contract. That is why people are upset.

The other problem with Omni is that the change in bonuses is not going to fix the problem but aggravate it. It will deter bonus lovers from playing, but it will encourage advantage players. This is the exact opposite of what is needed.

Omni, if you want some suggestions about the bonuses, talk to me. And for goodness sake, honor the agreements you have entered into with individual players. You can tweak and adjust bonuses all you like, but don't have it affect players retroactively. When they deposit, they enter a contract. Fulfill that contract before applying new rules.

I want to continue to publicly support you - but it is getting very difficult to justify.

 

[zrap]

Update

I haven't been paid yet either. I haven't been around much so haven't had much opportunity to call Abi at Omni to discuss. Tried three times so far, twice Abi wasn't there during Abi's supposed shift and once there was no answer at all, just a viocemail.

I pitched a bitch over three weeks ago and haven't heard anything on it yet. Except for the initial we received your POB email. Not sure if you are including mine in the 11 complaints CM.

Another way to look at this action by Omni...

CM claims he got only 12 complaints. Lets estimate that for every member here there are 10 Omni players who don't know anything about message boards.

110 players * $100 bonus not paid = $11,000 unpaid to players.

If a casino owes over 10k to players I would personally consider them rogue.


This casino is taking shots at players plain and simple. Reminds me of when casinos used to complain about chargebacks. Their decision is like a player deciding AFTER THE FACT that he felt taken advantage of then charging back his deposit.

 

[jetset]

Good post, Zrap - quite apart from anything else a top of the line casino like Omni should not be ignoring player emails.

I suspect this problem may be more widespread than we think...and it is getting worse every day.

 

[The Dude]

I pitched a bitch over three weeks ago and haven't heard anything on it yet. Except for the initial we received your POB email. Not sure if you are including mine in the 11 complaints CM..

Yes, it was included.

CM claims he got only 12 complaints. Lets estimate that for every member here there are 10 Omni players who don't know anything about message boards...

I wouldn't estimate that only 1 percent of the VIP players - or monthly players at Omni have heard about Casinomeister. VIP players are usually more well versed and have done their research on the Internet. I'm not here tooting my own horn, but I think most of us can safely agree that the messageboard at Casinomeister.com is one of the more trafficked online casino message boards on the Internet. How many players are given this bonus on a monthly basis? Well that's priviliged information that I'm sure Omni is not going to share.

If a casino owes over 10k to players I would personally consider them rogue.

Yeah but this is not money owed. This is a bonus that is offered to players if they meet the terms and conditions. It's just that many of us do not agree on the way some players were disqualified from this bonus.

Lest we forget, no player is out any money. No one is owed anything.

I'm still in touch with the operators mind you. It ain't over yet.


Note for Everybody: And please PLEASE don't call me CM. There is another webmaster who goes by this handle, and I don't want there to be any mixup. Casinomeister is one word by the way. I never can understand why people keep splitting it in two.
It's like calling me Brian

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Yeah but this is not money owed. This is a bonus that is offered to players if they meet the terms and conditions.

Have to disagree with you on this one - this IS money owed.

If you go to buy a new car and the offer at the time is buy now and get 10% of your cash back in a months time. If you take up the offer and the car company then decides not to pay you this 10% because you already took advantage of the offer last month when buying a car for your wife, then this is still money owed. Exactly the same principle for me.

I also reckon zrap's estimate of 110 is probably way below the true mark. I personally know of at least two players who are fully aware of this forum but haven't bothered pitching a bitch - they've just decided never to play at Omni again.

Personally I think if they don't resolve this then they should be rogued - renegading on bonuses is only second to confiscating winnings in my opinion.

 

[Vesuvio]

The other problem with Omni is that the change in bonuses is not going to fix the problem but aggravate it. It will deter bonus lovers from playing, but it will encourage advantage players. This is the exact opposite of what is needed.

For what it's worth, as an advantage player I wouldn't even consider this bonus if I was 100% sure it'd be credited. A 4000 wr before receiving the bonus (increasing the chance of a wipe out unless you deposit more than the bonus amount) is just too high, especially with this software. Cryptologic bonuses were appealing as despite fairly high wagering requirements being able to withdraw all or part of your deposit at any time allowed you to take risks or try out strategies you otherwise wouldn't. As it stands, unless you were planning to gamble $4000 at Omni anyway, it's really not worth the effort.

 

[Stanford]

Yeah but this is not money owed. This is a bonus that is offered to players if they meet the terms and conditions. It's just that many of us do not agree on the way some players were disqualified from this bonus.

Lest we forget, no player is out any money. No one is owed anything.

I'm still in touch with the operators mind you. It ain't over yet.


Note for Everybody: And please PLEASE don't call me CM. There is another webmaster who goes by this handle, and I don't want there to be any mixup. Casinomeister is one word by the way. I never can understand why people keep splitting it in two.
It's like calling me Brian

Glad you are on the job. Did you see that posting at WOL? The answer was to retroactivly increase a players wagering - after he lost his deposit. This is an indication they are not serious. This is a very poorly run and dishonest casino. I hope they move to redemption but with all the various watchdogs working on this, there hasn't been any progress. Jetset has contacted Cryptologic and still no movement.

And I will go along with Diggler. His rebate on a car was a good analogy. Here is another. Omni has put their anti in the pot. The cards have been dealt and when the player reaches for the anti the casino pulls the anti back out. This is the same as reneging on a bet. I learned to play cards as a youngster and reneging is a very serious thing. In my part of the woods it ranks slightly below flag burning and somewhat worse than sleeping with your best friends wife.

Each one of those complainers have had money taken form them - their money. It *is* owed.

BTW, is Meister ok? Sometimes I shorten the CasinoMeister.

Stanford.

PS - Players might consider filing claims with Cryptologic directly.

 

[The Dude]

Did you see that posting at WOL?

I rarely go to WOL, I have my own website to run.

BTW, is Meister ok? Sometimes I shorten the CasinoMeister.

Meister is fine. Most people would know who you are talking about then - including me.

 

[The Dude]

And I will go along with Diggler. His rebate on a car was a good analogy. Here is another. Omni has put their anti in the pot. The cards have been dealt and when the player reaches for the anti the casino pulls the anti back out. This is the same as reneging on a bet. I learned to play cards as a youngster and reneging is a very serious thing. In my part of the woods it ranks slightly below flag burning and somewhat worse than sleeping with your best friends wife.

Sorry, I don't agree with these analogies. Let's not lose sight of this: This loyalty bonus will not be credited to accounts that have in the past shown patterns of bonus abuse (ie wagering is done primarily using promotional funds and not deposited funds).
Everyone who played at this casino agreed to these terms. Did they not? Again nothing has been technically taken from these players. It's just that we don't agree on how this was handled.

Again, I have only 11 players who have come forward. I thought it was twelve, but I counted one twice.

 

[cipher]

Hi Bryan:

"Again, I have only 11 players who have come forward. I thought it was twelve, but I counted one twice."

Do we have any idea as to how much money is actually involved in this fiasco? Because it sure looks to me like we have yet another casino that's more than willing to trip over dollar bills in an effort to pick-up pennies. Why? Have a good one.

 

[dominique]

For what it's worth, as an advantage player I wouldn't even consider this bonus if I was 100% sure it'd be credited. A 4000 wr before receiving the bonus (increasing the chance of a wipe out unless you deposit more than the bonus amount) is just too high, especially with this software. Cryptologic bonuses were appealing as despite fairly high wagering requirements being able to withdraw all or part of your deposit at any time allowed you to take risks or try out strategies you otherwise wouldn't. As it stands, unless you were planning to gamble $4000 at Omni anyway, it's really not worth the effort.

I don't think this is an appropriate topic here and I regret having brought it up.

I stand by my remark without being willing to defend it - I guess that's pretty worthless.

Beyond that, I strongly agree with the Meister on this:

Let's not lose sight of this: This loyalty bonus will not be credited to accounts that have in the past shown patterns of bonus abuse (ie wagering is done primarily using promotional funds and not deposited funds).
Everyone who played at this casino agreed to these terms. Did they not? Again nothing has been technically taken from these players. It's just that we don't agree on how this was handled

 

[Dirk Diggler]

This loyalty bonus will not be credited to accounts that have in the past shown patterns of bonus abuse (ie wagering is done primarily using promotional funds and not deposited funds).

These get out clauses are put in EVERY bonus any casino ever offers.

I really thought this was a key thing to what this site was about - not allowing casinos to get away with using these clauses to screw players. Then again maybe I just misinterpreted what the Casinomeister site is about.

I really can't believe anyone would think what Omni has done is even close to acceptable - it's totally and utterly wrong. An unwritten rule for any casino to be even slightly reputable is to honour bonuses advertised.

Had they sent out emails to all those excluded prior to the event then there would be no problem what so ever. However sending emails ADVERTISING the bonus to players and then telling them they can't have it - well thats just completely wrong.

 

[Vesuvio]

This loyalty bonus will not be credited to accounts that have in the past shown patterns of bonus abuse (ie wagering is done primarily using promotional funds and not deposited funds.

I completely agree with Dirk on this issue. This sort of get-out clause is included in all casino terms but only rogue casinos have tried to enforce it.

It's also subjective - if you only ever played with a bonus when it was deposit $334 for a $100 bonus you've been wagering with far more deposited than promotional funds - does this still count as bonus abuse. Or is it only bonus abuse when you win? And what about a recreational player who likes a gamble but prefers to do it with a bonus as well to give him a chance? Is he a bonus abuser? Or again, only if he wins? Are you only a bonus abuser if you take a bonus and try and make a profit? Does anyone NOT try to make a profit from a bonus?

No-one disputes the absolute right of Omni to restrict their promotions to whoever they choose, but if they're only going to give it after wagering they must inform the player whether they're eligible or not before wagering begins (or at the very least add a warning that players should contact them before depositing).

Otherwise it's a clearly disreputable practice which they're persisting in despite all the complaints they've received. Unless they change things in the near future they deserve to be rogued. Yes, Dominique, I know there are worse casinos around - but the only chance for this industry to become reputable is to demand high standards from casinos which have a reputation to lose.

 

[chuchu59]

These get out clauses are put in EVERY bonus any casino ever offers.

I really thought this was a key thing to what this site was about - not allowing casinos to get away with using these clauses to screw players. Then again maybe I just misinterpreted what the Casinomeister site is about.

I really can't believe anyone would think what Omni has done is even close to acceptable - it's totally and utterly wrong. An unwritten rule for any casino to be even slightly reputable is to honour bonuses advertised.

Had they sent out emails to all those excluded prior to the event then there would be no problem what so ever. However sending emails ADVERTISING the bonus to players and then telling them they can't have it - well thats just completely wrong.

Dirk,

I think you interpreted this site correctly. When I paid my first visit to this site,one of the dont's relayed to me at the main page was not to play at a site using the term 'bonus abuser' The terms at Omni are close to that. Even if the terms try to clarify things by saying that this only refers to players using bonus funds to play and not their own deposits,how much does this mean. Even using a single dollar of your deposits already fits the bill. The terms are vague and using it retrospectively to screw up players is unacceptable.

 

[The Dude]

I really thought this was a key thing to what this site was about - not allowing casinos to get away with using these clauses to screw players. Then again maybe I just misinterpreted what the Casinomeister site is about.

This site is to provide fairness to both parties, that's it. Have I mentioned in this thread that I don't agree on how this casino has handled this situation, or that they are shattering the trust that they've built up over the last few years? Have I also mentioned that they have been removed from the Rep Section as well? Please remind me, I tend to forget these things sometimes.

I think you interpreted this site correctly. When I paid my first visit to this site,one of the dont's relayed to me at the main page was not to play at a site using the term 'bonus abuser' The terms at Omni are close to that.

But they are not.

And when I posted these terms from Omni, I was reminding some of you that this is what players agree to. I wasn't endorsing them or waving them in your face going nanny-nanny-doo-doo. I was making a point that the casino had exercised their right to disqualify these players' bonuses. And when you sign up at a casino you agree to this as well.

I think some of you need to take a chill pill on this because I'll be damned if you start slamming me in my own forum over this stupid ass bonus problem. Like I said, I'm working on this, but if you chose to start "misinterpreting" things here, all you'll do is piss me off. I would suggest not to go that route.

 

[The Dude]

Oh, and just a heads for those of you who have submitted a "Pitch a Bitch" on this, I'm getting word back that some of these claims are from players opening multiple accounts. If this is true, I will take appropriate action on this. Mark my word.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Bryan - I really don't think anyone was slamming you in the slightest, I certainly wasn't if you felt that.

People are just giving their thoughts and opinions which can obviously easily be misinterpreted both ways, as is the nature of message boards.

Anyway enough from me.

Happy weekend everyone - may it be be prosperous and enjoyable for us all

 

[The Dude]

Another Drill Sergeant flashback.

Happy Friday everyone

 

[dominique]

Oh, and just a heads for those of you who have submitted a "Pitch a Bitch" on this, I'm getting word back that some of these claims are from players opening multiple accounts. If this is true, I will take appropriate action on this. Mark my word.

That gets to me too. Do you guys even ever think that is is expensive to travel like Bryan does to keep up the contacts needed to perform well as watchdog? And then to file pitch a bitch items when you know you are in the wrong?

Acting as watchdog is not getting Bryan any favors from the casinos, to be sure. And it costs him plenty. To abuse that is pretty rotten. I sure hope that is not what is happening here!

Another Drill Sergeant flashback.

Hmmm. I sensed that hostility too. Maybe I am a drill seargeant at heart. But in my opinion this

not allowing casinos to get away with using these clauses to screw players. Then again maybe I just misinterpreted what the Casinomeister site is about.

is out of line and unwarranted.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

we've all had those (although seeing as I've never been a Drill Sergeant only god knows how I've managed it)

 

[Dirk Diggler]

not allowing casinos to get away with using these clauses to screw players. Then again maybe I just misinterpreted what the Casinomeister site is about.

is out of line and unwarranted.

Apologies to anyone who also felt that that part of my post was out of line and unwarranted - certainly no offence was intended at all.

At the time of writing it it seemed like a totally harmless satement - it was something that popped into my head (thinking out aloud so to speak) and certainly not intended to undermine this site or anything else for that matter (which I can now see it could be percieved too)

As previously stated - that is the nature of message boards, statements can be misinterpreted both ways.

 

[dominique]

Well, when all is said and done what matters is that we stick together and get stuff done.

I am known to run around "foot in mouth" quite a bit....

So - onward and forward!

The Casinomeister forum rocks on!

 

[jetset]

I'm with Dirk on this one, but now that this discussion has cooled down a little on all sides, a little levity can be enjoyed, too.... I thought Bryan's "...or waving them in your face going nanny-nanny-doo-doo" was one of the best I've heard this week LMAO!.

 

[Stanford]

Seems Omni is resting on their laurels

Sorry, I don't agree with these analogies. Let's not lose sight of this: This loyalty bonus will not be credited to accounts that have in the past shown patterns of bonus abuse (ie wagering is done primarily using promotional funds and not deposited funds).
Everyone who played at this casino agreed to these terms. Did they not? Again nothing has been technically taken from these players. It's just that we don't agree on how this was handled.

Wow. Things got a little heated while I was out earning a buck today. Glad it is blown over.

IMHO, that clause is meaningless. I have raised these precise clauses before with watchdogs and have been told that using these as an escape would cause major problems. There are some clauses that typically are not enforceable. This is one of those clauses. And the players do risk there own money and have to wager in advance; so the clause is moot. Even prior to that change, the player had to put in a large amount of cash for the promotion and I doubt any of these players were immediatly pulling their cash upon receiving the promotional funds.

Dom mentioned this as a contract. That is certainly on point. The players have performed. The casino has not. Their actions are dishonest. I agree that if players are fraudulent in opening multiple accounts then they should be excluded. Other players should not.

I would agree to this. If the "contract" is voided, let them refund losses to those players who lost and still cannot receive the bonus. In some cases that would be more than bonus.

I do appreciate that you are working on this and I don't want to add to the difficulty in negotiating but I am starting to believe that cutting this casino a break is working against the player community. It seems they are resting on their laurels.

imho,
Stanford.

 

[jetset]

QUOTE The players have performed. The casino has not. Their actions are dishonest. I agree that if players are fraudulent in opening multiple accounts then they should be excluded. Other players should not.

"I would agree to this. If the "contract" is voided, let them refund losses to those players who lost and still cannot receive the bonus. In some cases that would be more than bonus. UNQUOTE

I think that gets to the kernel of this thing. No-one has any sympathy for multiple accounts openers or any of the other fraudulent player stuff that we know goes on, and they should be named and shamed whenever discovered.

But we have genuine players here too, and they are the ones being abused IMO.

It is not as if this is new territory. Lesser casinos than Omni have pulled this most basic of unilateral reneges on a bonus promise and been universally condemned.

Unless every single one of the complaints we have been seeing here and at WOL and elsewhere are genuine fraudsters or really died-in-the-wool abusers who should have been axed before wagering (and we have only Omni's word for that) then this is just the old trick used by bum casinos of sucking players in, and then spitting them out as *bonus abusers* if they win, thus effectively applying a retroactive condition.

 

[vgyhnji]

OK Hands up all those who have NEVER played online with a bonus!

Well before you even bother posting (someone always thinks they are squeaky clean) you are simply telling porkies everyone has played with a bonus.

So why then did you play with a bonus and I dont care what strategy you employed (flat bet, aggressive, progressive, negative, childish, random, fetish (where did that come from!) Ive seen it all posted here!) lets all be honest and admit that, one way or another, we did it in an attempt to win more money from a casino without risking so much of our own - fine, but we did risk our own , just less of it.

"This loyalty bonus will not be credited to accounts that have in the past shown patterns of bonus abuse (ie wagering is done primarily using promotional funds and not deposited funds)."

This line is completely mis-used by any online casino that includes it in their T & Cs. Logically it means nothing, bonus abuse is multiple claims from one account, multiple accounts from one source, using personal details of the deceased! etc to open false accounts and so on the crap in the brackets is NOT bonus abuse.

The rubbish spouted (mainly by casinos) about bonuses offered to allow players to sample games etc is exactly that, rubbish. If casinos wanted to encourage you to try the games then why not push you towards their play for fun facilities they all have them. NO they have and always will try to tempt players to deposit and wager their own hard-earned with bonuses or other comps because its a sure way to increase revenue most players lose.

Everyone who played (and has NOT been involved in abusive tactics with multiple accounts etc), even having technically, agreed to the T & Cs, but has since been denied the bonus, has had money stolen from them yes STOLEN.

IF Omni really felt that they wanted to exclude certain players from the bonus this was NOT the way to go about it. Any players Omni considered to have been abusing with multiple accounts etc should simply have been barred from their casino and flagged up to others. Any players they consider had profited too much from previous promotions should have been advised of their non-eligibilty this time around PRIOR to depositing and wagering.

With any offer that could give a player an advantage what should any casino expect but a number of shrewder players to exploit the situation and such exploitation is in NO way abuse. The definition of abuse is to use wrongly who can tell me in what way whatsoever is the exploitation of such an advantage using it wrongly? except in the eyes of casino operators who simply want everyone to lose their money.

I think some of you need to take a chill pill on this because I'll be damned if you start slamming me in my own forum over this stupid ass bonus problem. Like I said, I'm working on this, but if you chose to start "misinterpreting" things here, all you'll do is piss me off. I would suggest not to go that route.

Bryan, this forum is superb, make no mistake, it is and has been a focal point and a lifeline for many players seeking help and advice when genuinely duped by casino antics.
Long may it be so and long may we salute you for all your hard work and expense in both time and money that you clearly put in.

And now a little ditty:

I just nipped in to Omni
To win a couple of quid
I played some craps
Ten hands of jacks
But lost it all amid

Amid the people angered
By the antics once again
Of a casino bent on duping
The players in the game

The game was not important
A sideline if you like
Some fair play and a bonus
Was all I had in sight

But robbed I was
Just in a flash
Of bonus I had none
Please Omni give me back my cash
Or stick it up your b!

Best of luck to all.

vgyhnji