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Well after two PMs requesting that the OP submits a PAB, he hasn't bothered to log in.
Well after two PMs requesting that the OP submits a PAB, he hasn't bothered to log in.
@vinyl
Did you miss these questions?
Can you show me the clause in the terms and conditions at CWC that expressly states that withdrawals will be paid within a specific timeframe?
Can you show me where they "Have their arse covered"?
My point is that no such guarantee exists, so when you called out CWC over their long delays even for non-US player withdrawals, I was making the point that they are not actually breaching the terms, merely breaching expectations. In fact, by agreeing to the CWC terms, you agree to CWC not having to stick to a specific timeframe, so even if it takes 6 months, if they eventually pay they have done nothing wrong.
Rushmore similarly have their arses covered, and it seems that after letting things drag on for months, they do have these bursts of making good on past payments.
Clearly, having something covered in the terms is NOT the same as treating players fairly, and Rushmore has ended up in the pit.
All casinos have these vague discresionary terms that pretty much allow them to do what they like, however, a reputable casino is not expected to use them except in cases of fraud. I do not consider meeting the terms to the letter "fraud", hence whatever is promised should be honoured, even if the promise is never again made to a particular player.
After wager bonuses, should be treated the same as pre wager ones, in that once claimed and granted, they should be honoured, paid out, and THEN the player bonus banned or kicked out. Just because it is tied to the loyalty program makes no difference, it is still a post wager bonus given for completing a specified WR.
This particular promotion should not have been sent to the OP in the first place, as it is clear that Omni have serious concerns about the OP's motives and methods. The OP has clearly been raising concerns BEFORE this particular promotion was sent to him, and the evidence for this is them "throwing the book" at him after what he claims is the first time he has played this promo, rather than using the lesser "warning" term where he gets a bonus ban until some recreational loyalty is shown.
I had thought the OP had already started the PAB process since he stopped posting after showing that email excerpt showing the use of "spirit of the promotion" as a reason for not honouring it.
If the OP is not going to go ahead with a PAB despite having what seems a good case, maybe they are not that bothered about "justice", or indeed "warning others".
Perhaps if the OP doesn't come forward soon, this thread should be locked until he does decide to come forward. Either the OP PABs, or this thread dies with us never knowing the whole story.
You're the only one in this thread talking about withdrawal times, and there's a good reason for that......it is totally irrelevant.
How you can justify comparing my issue with a withdrawal from a completely different operator, in which i did not mention anything about terms and conditions, with this issue involving a promotion and it's applicable terms, has got me completely stumped.
It's almost like you decided "Oh well, he's got me by the googlies here....I'll just bring up something immaterial from a complaint he made some time ago to make it look like he's somehow contradicting himself, rather than just concede a point." I just don't know why it is so hard for you to give other's opinions credit.
Withdrawal times are not enshrined in casino terms. Move on.
You also seem to be in the minority when you say he has a good case.
What you continue to ignore for some reason is that omni have done this twice in two years. It may well be that in other cases they DID invoke the first term and not the second.....we don't know as we don't have all the facts and the Op has gone awol. I think it is a fair assumption that there has been more than two players caught trying to milk the promotion but only two times the 2nd clause has been used....so there must be something about the OP that makes things different.
I'm happy to debate you.....just don't make it about something it is not.
Tell that to the poker crowdThere is no such thing as a "professional player"...
So, what is wrong with adhering to the terms? Whether it is "milking the promotion" or not, it is whether the terms have been adhered to that matters, else we get the situation where it becomes OK in general for casinos to "choose who to pay" with little regard as to whether actual terms have been broken, or whether it is merely a matter of "spirit of".
There is no such thing as a "professional player", it is a made up definition used to justify the "spirit of" argument. A "professional player" would have this as their primary means of income, declare this to the tax authorities, pay tax and other duties, and use it on their CV.
The only ways to have online gambling as your chief source of regular income (other than having your own casino) are to be an affiliate, or a fraudster. Even playing this promo every week at 20 to 100 per hand for 105 credits is hardly going to be regular income. Just ONE bet at 100 losing instead of winning would make all the difference.
It is the casino's choice to stick to the old methods of enticing players long after they have been made obsolete, and the casino's choice to allow sites that tell everyone EXACTLY how to milk every promo going by continuing to allow sites with such content to be part of the affiliate program.
Some of the worst offenders such as beatingbonuses are financed by casino affiliate programs. If such sites were squeezed out by being banned from affiliate programs, information on how to milk promos would not spread so fast and wide.
Hi Kezmen,
As a Casinomeister member you have a free dispute service allowing you to address your grievance in a manner befitting someone who has a genuine complaint.
We are very sorry that you are not satisfied with the decision made and again ask you to spend a few minutes submitting a Link Outdated / Removed as pointed out in our reply as well as the forum host.
As you’re aware, we cannot detail our October 9th letter to you that explained in detail our determination and decision. This would breach our privacy responsibility to you. You have posted just a portion of that letter as you state the rest was “vague.” Therefore, we urge you to submit a Link Outdated / Removed.
Yours Sincerely,
OC Elliott
Yes, I was considering that, too.
I just took a look at the PAB and whoa, there's a lot of FAQ reading to be done first, 7 chapters with a lot of subchapters.
I can get that done soon, most likely tomorrow; I'm having a busy week here.
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