North Korea and US politics

[Harry_BKK]

There was no deal in place with the talks in Sweden. There was also talks between other countries 6 months ago, 12 months 18 months ago and in 2015.

As CNN article states, the negotiations that had them released took part in the last few days between the USA and NK.

Reports form numerous sources have claimed that all 3 prisoners have been moved to hotels to remain and released before the meeting with Trump.

Only in your world do you not call the release of prisoners between the two counties progress

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It is progress, nothing more, nothing less....if that much. It certainly is not "incredible progress" as you put it to laud your idol.

NK repeatedly released prisoners in past years to please the American presidents they were due to meet. So this is nothing new.

It is only something good for the families involved as it doesn't matter how the release comes about as long as the 3 men get to go home.

Since you quoted CNN, today they are saying: "And an official with knowledge of the ongoing negotiations told CNN the release of the detained Americans is "imminent" following months of talks." Hence, it indicates that it is going back to the first announcement about the release during the NK visit to Sweden.

Plus, there is still no official confirmation from NK that they have been moved from the labor camps / prisons to a hotel as a SK report suggested. And Giuliani lying on Fox News that they would be released yesterday to promote Mr. T negotiation skills was just hilarious. You could have given him pompoms and let him perform a ritual Mr. T adoration dance.

As usual, nobody really clued up in the entire White House, all chaotic and nothing showing a clear concept/plan/etc. as to be expected.

 

[goatwack]

Lol not saying you are outraged. Just asking where it is. You were quite passionate about this earlier is all.

So now what? hmm. You buy me something alcoholic?

No less passionate than you when people criticize Trump, America or Americans.

So I pick up on when Iran is mentioned, being half Iranian and all. So it piques my interest.....

I'm afraid I can't proofread everyone's post on political threads as I'd be there til next week. But like most I tune in on occasion to see, here and there

 

[lockinlove]

It is progress, nothing more, nothing less....if that much. It certainly is not "incredible progress" as you put it to laud your idol.

NK repeatedly released prisoners in past years to please the American presidents they were due to meet. So this is nothing new.

It is only something good for the families involved as it doesn't matter how the release came about as long as they get to go home.

Since you quoted CNN, today they are saying: "And an official with knowledge of the ongoing negotiations told CNN the release of the detained Americans is "imminent" following months of talks." Hence, it does go back to the first talks about the release in Sweden.

Plus, there is still no official confirmation from NK that they have been moved from the labor camps / prisons to a hotel as a SK report suggested. And Giuliani lying on Fox News that they would be released yesterday to promote Mr. T negotiation skills was just hilarious. You could have given him pompoms and let him perform a ritual Mr. T adoration dance.

As usual, nobody really clued up in this White House, all chaotic and nothing showing a clear concept/plan/etc. as to be expected.

Sorry. North Korea releasing prisoners is a good thing and great progress. Why? Because it wasnt long ago they were threatening to end everything american. Its paving a road to peace.
And from what I see there were talks prior to this and sweden about releasing the prisoners. So again, you are wrong saying it all started in Sweden this year.

Now there needs to be official confirmations of everything for Harry to believe it? I guess you better stop using news sources, accusations and rumours as your argument then.

 

[lockinlove]

No less passionate than you when people criticize Trump, America or Americans.

So I pick up on when Iran is mentioned, being half Iranian and all. So it piques my interest.....

I'm afraid I can't proofread everyone's post on political threads as I'd be there til next week. But like most I tune in on occasion to see, here and there

I understand. Wasnt really trying to take to deep of a dig at you, was just trying to show that everyone in this thread uses the countries name to refer to their government. It doesnt mean we hate everyone in Israel or Iran or wherever.

Edit: If the news didnt scare the crap out of me I would love to visit Iran, Iraq and many of these places and sit down and learn some of their culture and the ways they live and listen to stories.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Sorry. North Korea releasing prisoners is a good thing and great progress. And from what I see there were talks prior to this and sweden about releasing the prisoners. So again, you are wrong saying it all started in Sweden this year.

Now there needs to be official confirmations of everything for Harry to believe it? I guess you better stop using news sources, accusations and rumours as your argument then.

When it comes to NK an official confirmation is pretty important as many others will agree. You of all always ask for facts, now they are not important!

And again it is a good thing, but not "great progress". Releasing prisoners is what NK and other countries do before they enter such negotiations to please the other part (read the history of the last decades and you will find countless examples). Hence, it has nothing to do with Mr. T personally or his input into releasing them.

I have changed my post prior to your answer to "it indicates that it goes back to the talks in Sweden" since they were exactly months ago and because I can't say for sure as I don't have access to Kim personally to know when it exactly started.

EDIT: Funny that you take aim at me asking for confirmation, but are not bothered that yet another person in Mr. T's team is lying in plain sight on national TV.

 

[goatwack]

I understand. Wasnt really trying to take to deep of a dig at you, was just trying to show that everyone in this thread uses the countries name to refer to their government. It doesnt mean we hate everyone in Israel or Iran or wherever.

Edit: If the news didnt scare the crap out of me I would love to visit Iran, Iraq and many of these places and sit down and learn some of their culture and the ways they live and listen to stories.

You and me both....I'd imagine Harry knows infinitely more about its people and customs, my ties to Iran are tenuous at best. Nor do I drench myself in their flag and flip my lid when someone criticizes Iran.....it has many faults.

By the same token I do think there are always two sides (or several) slants that get no consideration. North Korea, then two weeks ago it was Russia, now we're back here with Iran.

Last thing anyone needs is more cock-ups in the Middle East with another clusterf*ck war

 

[lockinlove]

When it comes to NK an official confirmation is pretty important as many others will agree. You of all always ask for facts, now they are not important!

And again it is a good thing, but not "great progress". Releasing prisoners is what NK and other countries do before they enter such negotiations to please the other part (read the history of the last decades and you will find countless examples). Hence, it has nothing to do with Mr. T personally or his input into releasing them.

I have changed my post prior to your answer to "it indicates that it goes back to the talks in Sweden" since they were exactly months ago and because I can't say for sure as I don't have access to Kim personally to know when it exactly started.

When I ask for facts I dont ask for official statements. Just a credible source.

Ok so you are disagreeing over whether its great or just progress? I think its great, so do alot of others from what I have read. Its not far fetched like you are trying to imply.

No need to change your post. You can just google it to see, plenty of sources out there. But it may not convince you because they arent official statements.

 

[bebo67]

Oh for crying out loud! Stop being right, even when you're wrong!...........insert name I'm laughing, but I'm serious

 

[goatwack]

Oh for crying out loud! Stop being right, even when you're wrong!...........insert name I'm laughing, but I'm serious

I hope you're keeping score because I'll be damned if I know

 

[Harry_BKK]

When I ask for facts I dont ask for official statements. Just a credible source.

Ok so you are disagreeing over whether its great or just progress? I think its great, so do alot of others from what I have read. Its not far fetched like you are trying to imply.

No need to change your post. You can just google it to see, plenty of sources out there. But it may not convince you because they arent official statements.

Quoting from your previous post.

"There was no deal in place with the talks in Sweden. There was also talks between other countries 6 months ago, 12 months 18 months ago and in 2015.

As CNN article states, the negotiations that had them released took part in the last few days between the USA and NK.

Reports form numerous sources have claimed that all 3 prisoners have been moved to hotels to remain and released before the meeting with Trump."

Which one is it then? Days, months, years. Moved to the hotel or not? - make your mind up. Maybe check your "credible" sources.

And while you google, I am sure if you care to read the entire reports from those "plenty of sources" you will also see that pretty much everyone says as well that while this is progress it is nothing new and was done in the past.

The only thing I can see here is you trying to peddle a release of 3 prisoners as a big achievement of your idol! Which it is not. It is a plain tactical move by NK, nothing more.

 

[bebo67]

I hope you're keeping score because I'll be damned if I know

All everyone is doing is saying the same things over and over again, just adding different texts, but coming full circle again. View points haven't changed. It has been amazingly beautiful weather the last week. Go outside, go to work, gamble, have hot monkey sex. Do something besides running in circles! This is mamma Jen talking!
Side note. CNN is Not a credible news source

 

[lockinlove]

You and me both....I'd imagine Harry knows infinitely more about its people and customs, my ties to Iran are tenuous at best. Nor do I drench myself in their flag and flip my lid when someone criticizes Iran.....it has many faults.

By the same token I do think there are always two sides (or several) slants that get no consideration. North Korea, then two weeks ago it was Russia, now we're back here with Iran.

Last thing anyone needs is more cock-ups in the Middle East with another clusterf*ck war

Pretty sure I mentioned this in the Trump thread. I have Iranian neighbors right across the street. Ive had some conversations with them and one of the reasons why they left was because they didnt want to partake in hate. They explained that many Iranians have left the country because of the leaders preaching hate and death to countries. Some stay and dont partake and think its completely ridiculous. They told me their best friends are Jews. I mean, they didnt have to tell me that to prove anything. Most people who have a little bit of common sense know that not an entire country and their leaders represent every Iranian.

Its the same for Israel and people of Palestine. The news has us believing every Israeli hates ever Palestinian and vice versa. Soundbites that Israel is the root of all evil. I have watched videos on youtube where they purposely go out of their way to be civil with each other, some embrace, some have done interviews stating they love Israel and on and on.

The media could start a peace movement if they wanted. They could show stories of a palestinians helping Israeli's, good deeds, marriages with the two intertwined. Which all exist. But nope everything has to be hate and fear mongering.

I saw a comedian named Russel Peters. He is Indian/Canadian. He did shows in Iran and other parts of the middle east and he explained that even the arabic language is beautiful and so are alot of the people. But what the news shows us is the hillbilly version of Arabs, Iranians etc where there are yelling allah allah and shooting guns into the sky. When in reality its the government and its extremists.

It would be almost the same if the middle east pumped out daily news only showing Antifa riots here in North America. People would be like no way im going there thats craziness. But that doesnt represent North America at all.

 

[goatwack]

All everyone is doing is saying the same things over and over again, just adding different texts, but coming full circle again. View points haven't changed. It has been amazingly beautiful weather the last week. Go outside, go to work, gamble, have hot monkey sex. Do something besides running in circles! This is mamma Jen talking!
Side note. CNN is Not a credible news source

Granted, it is difficult to sway people's political beliefs, given that they're normally formed over many years.

Simply put:

 

[bebo67]

Granted, it is difficult to sway people's political beliefs, given that they're normally formed over many years.

Simply put:

Im watching Dope on Netflix right now . I will watch it shortly and you are right about beliefs.

 

[Steviedoo]

It has nothing to do with maturity level unless we want to talk about yours. You argued about this for quite some time today. Where is the outrage?

My outrage is directed at videoslots where I just lost another deposit...

 

[lockinlove]

Quoting from your previous post.

"There was no deal in place with the talks in Sweden. There was also talks between other countries 6 months ago, 12 months 18 months ago and in 2015.

As CNN article states, the negotiations that had them released took part in the last few days between the USA and NK.

Reports form numerous sources have claimed that all 3 prisoners have been moved to hotels to remain and released before the meeting with Trump."

Which one is it then? Days, months, years. Moved to the hotel or not? - make your mind up. Maybe check your "credible" sources.

And while you google, I am sure if you care to read the entire reports from those "plenty of sources" you will also see that pretty much everyone says as well that while this is progress it is nothing new and was done in the past.

The only thing I can see here is you trying to peddle a release of 3 prisoners as a big achievement of your idol! Which it is not. It is a plain tactical move by NK, nothing more.

Dont usually partake in the insults but you should try and read things properly. I truly dont even know what you are saying, you have totally confused yourself and continue making something out of nothing.

I see nothing wrong or out of the ordinary out of that posts.

There have been talks prior. They led nowhere. Talks have heated up the last few days between the US and NK and NK agreeing to release the prisoners. Numerous sources that you have used yourself, state they were moved to hotels

It was reported by sky news,the globe and mail, reuters, global news, koreasliveumap, cbn, bbc etc

Whats the issue? There is none.

The only thing I can see here is you making things up to try and downplay everything, as usual.

One day those sources are used by you, the next they arent credible when it fits your agenda. Laughable.

Honestly, have fun arguing whether its progress or great progress or whether they were moved to a hotel or not. I wont even respond if this is what your arguments are going to be about. Talk about silly

 

[lockinlove]

My outrage is directed at videoslots where I just lost another deposit...

lol play facebook slots. They cost nothing and you can read what people cooked for dinner and the fights people are having with their loved ones

 

[lockinlove]

Granted, it is difficult to sway people's political beliefs, given that they're normally formed over many years.

Simply put:

Playtech ruined anything monty python for me with that absolutely horrendous and annoying slot they have

 

[goatwack]

No one mention Iran whilst I'm gone, gonna pew pew some shit on Xbox for a bit

BRB

 

[lockinlove]

BRB im going to go play ps4.

Nobody mention hotels while I am gone.

 

[pinnit2014]

All everyone is doing is saying the same things over and over again, just adding different texts, but coming full circle again. View points haven't changed. It has been amazingly beautiful weather the last week. Go outside, go to work, gamble, have hot monkey sex. Do something besides running in circles! This is mamma Jen talking!
Side note. CNN is Not a credible news source

Following it in that order would suggest you’re advocating both gambling and hot monkey sex whilst at work?

Oh oh, I can see another trip for me to the Human Resources disciplinary department again

If I must.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Dont usually partake in the insults but you should try and read things properly. I truly dont even know what you are saying, you have totally confused yourself and continue making something out of nothing.

I see nothing wrong or out of the ordinary out of that posts.

There have been talks prior. They led nowhere. Talks have heated up the last few days between the US and NK and NK agreeing to release the prisoners. Numerous sources that you have used yourself, state they were moved to hotels

It was reported by sky news,the globe and mail, reuters, global news, koreasliveumap, cbn, bbc etc

Whats the issue? There is none.

The only thing I can see here is you making things up to try and downplay everything, as usual.

One day those sources are used by you, the next they arent credible when it fits your agenda. Laughable.

Honestly, have fun arguing whether its progress or great progress or whether they were moved to a hotel or not. I wont even respond if this is what your arguments are going to be about. Talk about silly

Quote: "The only thing I can see here is you making things up to try and downplay everything, as usual."

Downplaying things to the real factual level contrary to you hyping every little thing as a big achievement of Mr. T. And he's lying about it as usual. His tweet:

“As everybody is aware, the past Administration has long been asking for three hostages to be released from a North Korean Labor camp, but to no avail. Stay tuned!”

Seems like nobody told him that two of those were detained after Mr. T became president or he is just completely disregards the truth as usual.

The only one silly I see here is you trying to peddle Mr. T at every opportunity, and that in addition to defend him even when the truth is hitting you in the face. Your excuse for him about the Stormy story & payment is the best example. Ironic that the one downplaying it is exactly you!

 

[Harry_BKK]

It might be wise to keep your pompoms in the closet for a while in regards to JCPOA and Israeli evidence.

It's no secret Israel sees Iran as a mortal enemy and it wouldn't be the first time in history if propaganda was used to start a war. Netanyahu's news conference really had a audience of one. Not really a coincidence if look at the larger context: Syrian war and the way it has strengthened Hizbollah and involvement of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps in the region. And of course Mr. T's decision about the Iran nuclear deal.

With a grain of salt I'd say.

Just to add to your very good post. This is the letter from 26 former Israeli intelligence and military officials sent to the US on 25th April 2018 (apologies for the small print but I tried to fit it all into one screenshot). These are the people who have been at the center of available data and info as to what is going on in Iran and they plead with the US that the deal is working. Can't be the "worst deal ever" as Mr. T describes it. Shows yet again, that Mr. T is only out to unravel anything and everything that was achieved in the Obama years.

I highlighted one of the key sentences in the statement.

 

[Steviedoo]

Quote: "The only thing I can see here is you making things up to try and downplay everything, as usual."

Downplaying things to the real factual level contrary to you hyping every little thing as a big achievement of Mr. T. And he's lying about it as usual. His tweet:

“As everybody is aware, the past Administration has long been asking for three hostages to be released from a North Korean Labor camp, but to no avail. Stay tuned!”

Seems like nobody told him that two of those were detained after Mr. T became president or he is just completely disregards the truth as usual.

The only one silly I see here is you trying to peddle Mr. T at every opportunity, and that in addition to defend him even when the truth is hitting you in the face. Your excuse for him about the Stormy story & payment is the best example. Ironic that the one downplaying it is exactly you!

The hostages are not from the Obama years?


Wow. If that’s true.

I actually thought the hostages had been there since Obama.

It’s amazing the lengths he will go to make himself look good.

And how can we believe anything he says? So we should go on the premise he just lies all the time. No matter what it is. Small or big.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The hostages are not from the Obama years?


Wow. If that’s true.

I actually thought the hostages had been there since Obama.

It’s amazing the lengths he will go to make himself look good.

And how can we believe anything he says? So we should go on the premise he just lies all the time. No matter what it is. Small or big.

When you google US hostage North Korea this is the first result :

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And Sarah Sanders of course spinning it in a different way in the press conference, yet again lying for her boss on national TV. Saying he included Otto Warmbier in his count making it two from Obama years yet Mr. T clearly tweeted three so he wasn't referring to Warmbier at all. It is beyond me how people can lie so brazzenly.

 

[livadiva]

I would love to be part of a thread that consists of Narnia

<3 Aslan

I thought I was part of a North Korea thread that turned to Canadian politics for a moment. Not everyone thinks I’m relevant. Mostly Anthrax fans who no thing about production and mastering though.

 

[lockinlove]

Just to add to your very good post. This is the letter from 26 former Israeli intelligence and military officials sent to the US on 25th April 2018 (apologies for the small print but I tried to fit it all into one screenshot). These are the people who have been at the center of available data and info as to what is going on in Iran and they plead with the US that the deal is working. Can't be the "worst deal ever" as Mr. T describes it. Shows yet again, that Mr. T is only out to unravel anything and everything that was achieved in the Obama years.

I highlighted one of the key sentences in the statement.

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You like his post because you both use the words pompoms and Mr. T

If Israeli experts are saying its working I dont think there is much to argue. I mean honestly, Israel are the ones who have the most to fear and if the experts there and around the world generally agree then what can anyone say really.

I can see the other side as I posted on the last page where they have fears with them testing ballistic missiles and the other stuff. As for UNSCR 2231 it calls on Iran not to use or test ballistic missiles but it was not written in stone on both sides. From all the reading I did today on it, I think the deal Obama put in place was pretty bad because the agreement was not the removal but a promise not to continue with it. Which means any time Iran wants, it can fire it all back up and do as it pleases. Also, in the agreement inspectors have to give Iran 24 days notice. Thats pretty terrible. So in essence if Iran wanted to say screw you, The agreement did nothing but give Iran billions of dollars.

If the USA and other leaders in the world (which they do) has issues with Iran using ballistic missiles and ramping up aggression well then deal with it in another way since when it comes down to it, it was not written in the agreement but more of a verbal agreement (bad obama).

From what I see, Iran has broken a part of the deal twice, by crossing limit on heavy water. Well if they do that, punish them in some sort of way that makes up for it. But Iran did ship it off until it found a buyer for it. They are testing the line with some things. The UN and other countries say they broke the spirit of the deal by testing these missiles. What is the spirit of the deal lol? Have it written or it means nothing.

Trump needs to accept Obama made a less than stellar deal but it is working for now and just because Iran are doing other things UNRELATED to the deal, the USA/Israel should not constantly threaten them with cancelling the deal. Again, Approach whatever issues you have in a different angle than touching it. I am sure they can sanction them in other areas or have other countries sanction them that arent included in the agreement they made.

The deal doesnt state they cant threaten to kill and destroy Israel. It doesnt say it cant test missiles. It doesnt say Iran cant do alot of things its doing. Is it wrong what they are doing? Sure. But blame Obama for not including that, not Iran.

 

[lockinlove]

I thought I was part of a North Korea thread that turned to Canadian politics for a moment. Not everyone thinks I’m relevant. Mostly Anthrax fans who no thing about production and mastering though.

I have no idea what you are saying ever

 

[lockinlove]

The hostages are not from the Obama years?


Wow. If that’s true.

I actually thought the hostages had been there since Obama.

It’s amazing the lengths he will go to make himself look good.

And how can we believe anything he says? So we should go on the premise he just lies all the time. No matter what it is. Small or big.

When I saw that tweet, I face palmed because I knew 2 of 3 of them were not from the Obama era

 

[geordiecolin]

BRB im going to go play ps4.

Nobody mention hotels while I am gone.

My god that must have been some bloody session!

 

[slotplayer]

I have no idea what you are saying ever

I'm glad its not just me.

 

[Harry_BKK]

You like his post because you both use the words pompoms and Mr. T

If Israeli experts are saying its working I dont think there is much to argue. I mean honestly, Israel are the ones who have the most to fear and if the experts there and around the world generally agree then what can anyone say really.

I can see the other side as I posted on the last page where they have fears with them testing ballistic missiles and the other stuff. As for UNSCR 2231 it calls on Iran not to use or test ballistic missiles but it was not written in stone on both sides. From all the reading I did today on it, I think the deal Obama put in place was pretty bad because the agreement was not the removal but a promise not to continue with it. Which means any time Iran wants, it can fire it all back up and do as it pleases. Also, in the agreement inspectors have to give Iran 24 days notice. Thats pretty terrible. So in essence if Iran wanted to say screw you, The agreement did nothing but give Iran billions of dollars.

If the USA and other leaders in the world (which they do) has issues with Iran using ballistic missiles and ramping up aggression well then deal with it in another way since when it comes down to it, it was not written in the agreement but more of a verbal agreement (bad obama).

From what I see, Iran has broken a part of the deal twice, by crossing limit on heavy water. Well if they do that, punish them in some sort of way that makes up for it. But Iran did ship it off until it found a buyer for it. They are testing the line with some things. The UN and other countries say they broke the spirit of the deal by testing these missiles. What is the spirit of the deal lol? Have it written or it means nothing.

Trump needs to accept Obama made a less than stellar deal but it is working for now and just because Iran are doing other things UNRELATED to the deal, the USA/Israel should not constantly threaten them with cancelling the deal. Again, Approach whatever issues you have in a different angle than touching it. I am sure they can sanction them in other areas or have other countries sanction them that arent included in the agreement they made.

The deal doesnt state they cant threaten to kill and destroy Israel. It doesnt say it cant test missiles. It doesnt say Iran cant do alot of things its doing. Is it wrong what they are doing? Sure. But blame Obama for not including that, not Iran.

Very good analysis!

I read the agreement more than a year ago, hence, I don't remember every detail, so some of the following might not be 100% correct.

- The deal was from the start for the nuclear development only.
- Ballistic missile tests to be halted if the models could carry nuclear warheads. Any other missile can be tested
- Iran had to give up and irrevocably dismantle/destroy over 90% (was it 95%???) of their centrifuges. That is the biggest item that will ensure they can't just return to developing nuclear weapons. To produce weapon-grade nuclear material you need to enrich it from the natural 0.7% to over 90% which is achieved by using the centrifuges and for that you need a lot of them, I mean really a lot. Imagine the washing machine tumbler just that centrifuges spin at much higher speed to separate U-235 (needed for weapons) from U-238. Only very few companies in the world can produce some of the centrifuge components, hence, any activity to rebuild them would NOT go unnoticed.
- Iran can carry on with their domestic nuclear program for energy purposes, hence the amount of light / heavy water is rather fluent/changing. It was attested though by the IAEA that they returned immediately to within the limits. You don't need highly enriched material for energy plants, usually 3.5%, some are now trying to go to 7%.
- Iran can carry on developing conventional military equipment.

The latter is part why people call the JPCOA not a good deal as apparently some of it is ending up outside Iran. However, it was the only deal Iran would enter into and that took years to negotiate. Like any other sovereign nation they have the right to their own defense and can develop weapons to meet those requirements.

As to your last sentence, it wasn't just Obama/Kerry on the negotiation table, so all should get the blame if there is any to give. Obama was focused primarily on halting the nuclear development and for that the deal is good.

 

[slotplayer]

As I understand it the problem with the deal is the sunset provision where they can resume development of N. weapons in 2025, ie.. 7 years.

The other problem with the deal was the starting point was not honest, they down played it "biggly".

I don't remember it exactly but something with inspectors, restricted areas, inspections sites can be examined, 24 days advanced notice.

The pallets of money Obama gave was actually Iran's money held back due to sanctions.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The hostages are not from the Obama years?


Wow. If that’s true.

I actually thought the hostages had been there since Obama.

It’s amazing the lengths he will go to make himself look good.

And how can we believe anything he says? So we should go on the premise he just lies all the time. No matter what it is. Small or big.

Apropos lying and self-aggrandizing, if anyone, and I mean anyone still has an ounce of respect for Mr. T after this:

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I start losing faith in humanity.

Imagine, allowing people to take their guns into a concert hall. That is what Mr. T said should have been the case as it would have prevented the massacre.

Funny, that he did not allow guns into the hall where he held the NRA speech. Nobody was able to carry their guns inside the venue yet he not just implies that they should have done that inside the Bataclan, but also went on to mock how the victims were shot. Watch the video!

And of course no word of his BIG plans for new gun laws because he doesn't have any.

 

[Harry_BKK]

As I understand it the problem with the deal is the sunset provision where they can resume development of N. weapons in 2025, ie.. 7 years.

The other problem with the deal was the starting point was not honest, they down played it "biggly".

I don't remember it exactly but something with inspectors, restricted areas, inspections sites can be examined, 24 days advanced notice.

The pallets of money Obama gave was actually Iran's money held back due to sanctions.

That is exactly the crux of the agreement which Mr T spins in the wrong way. Although there are sunset provisions, they won't be able to just restart their program. It is technically just not possible.

Yep, all those billions Mr. T claims were handed over to Iran as a gift, were indeed funds frozen due to sanctions and some of that goes back decades.

 

[Steviedoo]

Apropos lying and self-aggrandizing, if anyone, and I mean anyone still has an ounce of respect for Mr. T after this:

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I start losing faith in humanity.

Imagine, allowing people to take their guns into a concert hall. That is what Mr. T said should have been the case as it would have prevented the massacre.

Funny, that he did not allow guns into the hall where he held the NRA speech. Nobody was able to carry their guns inside the venue yet he not just implies that they should have done that inside the Bataclan, but also went on to mock how the victims were shot. Watch the video!

And of course no word of his BIG plans for new gun laws because he doesn't have any.

Ugh...he always gets into these trouble cuz he just shoots from the hip....and and and...

It’s same story over and over

 

[goatwack]

Apropos lying and self-aggrandizing, if anyone, and I mean anyone still has an ounce of respect for Mr. T after this:

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I start losing faith in humanity.

Imagine, allowing people to take their guns into a concert hall. That is what Mr. T said should have been the case as it would have prevented the massacre.

Funny, that he did not allow guns into the hall where he held the NRA speech. Nobody was able to carry their guns inside the venue yet he not just implies that they should have done that inside the Bataclan, but also went on to mock how the victims were shot. Watch the video!

And of course no word of his BIG plans for new gun laws because he doesn't have any.

At the very convention he likened London hospital trauma wards to that of a war zone, due to the current knife crime epidemic. Not wholly inaccurate, although you wonder what he expects a trauma unit to look like. Sunshine and rainbows with birds tweeting?

Made all the worse by using that as a pretext to advocate gun ownership and all its virtues. Last thing London needs atop of the daily stabbings and acid attacks is gun- wielding criminals en masse. It was a dreadful example to validate his agenda

 

[Harry_BKK]

Ugh...he always gets into these trouble cuz he just shoots from the hip....and and and...

It’s same story over and over

Nope, he was reading from a teleprompter, so this was not "shot" from the hip, this was clearly planned. If you carefully watch the video you can see how he looks at the prompter. And that makes it much more worse.

And of course, all is a complete lie when he says that guns would prevent attacks, especially when you compare the amount of victims of gun violence / year between the US (with loose gun laws) and France or even the entire EU (with strict gun laws).

I don't dare to imagine the young US generation listening or watching it, thinking in the future that lying, shooting, disparaging, bullying, cheating etc is totally OK since the sitting US president is doing it.

 

[Harry_BKK]

At the very convention he likened London hospital trauma wards to that of a war zone, due to the current knife crime epidemic. Not wholly inaccurate, although you wonder what he expects a trauma unit to look like. Sunshine and rainbows with birds tweeting?

Made all the worse by using that as a pretext to advocate gun ownership and all its virtues. Last thing London needs atop of the daily stabbings and acid attacks is gun- wielding criminals en masse. It was a dreadful example to validate his agenda

Well, he went for a double whammy there, didn't he? Meant double the applause and adulation. Typical Mr. T.

 

[slotplayer]

That is exactly the crux of the agreement which Mr T spins in the wrong way. Although there are sunset provisions, they won't be able to just restart their program. It is technically just not possible.

Yep, all those billions Mr. T claims were handed over to Iran as a gift, were indeed funds frozen due to sanctions and some of that goes back decades.

I think the pundits were talking about the sunset provision long before "T" became president.
They all say the same thing, not sure where they get it though.

 

[slotplayer]

At the very convention he likened London hospital trauma wards to that of a war zone, due to the current knife crime epidemic. Not wholly inaccurate, although you wonder what he expects a trauma unit to look like. Sunshine and rainbows with birds tweeting?

Made all the worse by using that as a pretext to advocate gun ownership and all its virtues. Last thing London needs atop of the daily stabbings and acid attacks is gun- wielding criminals en masse. It was a dreadful example to validate his agenda

Criminals find a weapon of choice.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I think the pundits were talking about the sunset provision long before "T" became president.
They all say the same thing, not sure where they get it though.

Minimum 50% of politics is false propaganda.

I assume none of those pundits actually cared to read the entire JPCOA agreement or the UN resolution 2231 endorsing it, nor do they have a clue of the immense work/equipment that is needed to produce weapons-grade U-235.

Not to mention the extremely long time Iran would need to remove traces of weapons-grade U-235 if they would dare to go down that road again.

I can only say again that the absolute majority of Iranians just wish to have their old life back. The country was once the Switzerland of the Middle East with a blooming economy, high education grade, exspansive trade relations and happy people. That was until a foreign government decided to get involved that ultimately enabled the hardliners to take over the country, but that's another story, let's not start that again.

 

[Kelly Jo]

*Looks around

What happened to the Trump Thread?
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"Funny, that he did not allow guns into the hall where he held the NRA speech. " ~Harry_BKK

That decision was made by the NRA.


It's okay though. I know you can't help putting your pedantic spin on everything that is Trump. I do agree with you, however, that the Iranian people want to be freed. I know you will scoff at what I am going to say next, and I kind of hope you do.. because when all is said and done, I intend to take the low road and gloat with American Exceptionalism! (heh heh heh- that probably won't go over well)

North Korea will comply fully with denuclearization. And so will Iran. The reason I believe this is because, like North Korea, Iran has nothing left. North Korea's mountain (that housed it's nuclear weapons facility) didn't just collapse of it's own accord.It was taken out. Assad didn't use chemical weapons on his people, so logically, there weren't any chemical weapons facilities to destroy. The only obvious target was Iran's covert nuclear weapons program located in Seria.

 

[Kelly Jo]

Criminals find a weapon of choice.

Yes they do, Slotplayer. Yes, they do.

REALITY CHECK

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Murder rates (per 100,000 inhabitants). Most recent year UNODC has published.
Notable: Not specific to gun related incidents. War deaths not included.


The United States is 94th of 219 with a rate of 4.88.

In no way do I think this is acceptable... but seriously?
There are bigger issues in the world.
Why must it always be a discussion of America's gun rights? Why don't we have
a discussion about the WORLDS problems? Human rights issues?


HUMAN TRAFFICKING
ORGAN HARVESTING
FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION
FORCED MARRIAGE
PEDOPHILLIA​

 

[goatwack]

Criminals find a weapon of choice.

Not really the point, but yes, yes they do

 

[slotplayer]

Not really the point, but yes, yes they do

you said atop, guns would replace the other weapons right?

 

[slotplayer]

Yes they do, Slotplayer. Yes, they do.

REALITY CHECK

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Murder rates (per 100,000 inhabitants). Most recent year UNODC has published.
Notable: Not specific to gun related incidents. War deaths not included.


The United States is 94th of 219 with a rate of 4.88.

In no way do I think this is acceptable... but seriously?
There are bigger issues in the world.
Why must it always be a discussion of America's gun rights? Why don't we have
a discussion about the WORLDS problems? Human rights issues?


HUMAN TRAFFICKING
ORGAN HARVESTING
FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION
FORCED MARRIAGE
PEDOPHILLIA​

They can't. You know it shatters Utopia and all that.

 

[goatwack]

you said atop, guns would replace the other weapons right?

Where did I say replace?

 

[slotplayer]

Minimum 50% of politics is false propaganda.

I assume none of those pundits actually cared to read the entire JPCOA agreement or the UN resolution 2231 endorsing it, nor do they have a clue of the immense work/equipment that is needed to produce weapons-grade U-235.

Not to mention the extremely long time Iran would need to remove traces of weapons-grade U-235 if they would dare to go down that road again.

I can only say again that the absolute majority of Iranians just wish to have their old life back. The country was once the Switzerland of the Middle East with a blooming economy, high education grade, exspansive trade relations and happy people. That was until a foreign government decided to get involved that ultimately enabled the hardliners to take over the country, but that's another story, let's not start that again.

I believe the other 50%.

 

[slotplayer]

Where did I say replace?

by saying atop, your statement assumes the # of knife and acid attacks would stay the same. The reason the criminals use knives and acid as weapons is because guns are not available. If guns were available those weapons would be used less.

It's the same rationale used here, collect all the guns and some how crime would disappear when in reality the criminals would find other means.

History shows when a gun crazy terrorizes a neighborhood/town/city the residents go out and buy guns and (as a result) home invasions plummet.