North Korea and US politics

[livadiva]

Im not overly passionate on the subject of supporting alot of the gun laws anyways. Guns are made to defend and deter too. But I get your point.

If countries could learn from Norways policies, everyone would be much safer.

Where do guns go to be recycled. It's a little like cars, right? Is everyone supposed to sit on an arsenal until someone throws a WWII grenade in the window? A hiatus of production at least. There is not a single stock holder or Chair of munitions who can't afford it. Sort it out. The say Money is the root of all Evil and Guns kill people, so stop making Guns for Money and figure what the other problems are.

 

[goatwack]

Im not overly passionate on the subject of supporting alot of the gun laws anyways. Guns are made to defend and deter too. But I get your point.

If countries could learn from Norways policies, everyone would be much safer.

I get how Americans feel it is their right to bear arms- that's so entrenched in their culture it will take generations to change, if at all. For self- protection, it has its uses.

Trump bringing others into the mix isn't helping....we're about as far removed from that as is possible. It's a ludicrous concept to most. Stating that Paris victims ought to have been armed, London etc was a tad detached. Showed that gulf in mentalities in regards to dealing with these crises

 

[lockinlove]

Sorry you talk about fake stories.

The graphs you illustrate look like a huge rise which is nowhere near the truth.

Yes knife crime figures are showing to be rising in UK. But you have not even bothered to research why you have just flung some article you have found on here.

Their are many reasons for the increase in figures. Many are to do with the way crimes are recorded and reported. More people are actually reporting crimes that went unreported before like sexual assaults involving knifes etc. Also many crimes that involved knifes before were not classes as knife crimes like they are now.

Please before digging any article out you find online do what you tell others and actually research the facts

Whats your point? Its not fake. Its a rise in knife related incidents. Its no different than the gun graphs they have used even though there many different 'reasons' for escalation. There is always a reason.

 

[lockinlove]

In fact it was only the last few years knife crime had dropped it is now rising again to way it was a few years back. And like i said although crime is rising a lot of it is to do with the way crimes are reported and also due to the fact their are a lot fewer police about to stop crime.

So what? Before people dealt with these increases and decreases with guns too

 

[paul7388]

Whats your point? Its not fake. Its a rise in knife related incidents. Its no different than the gun graphs they have used even though there many different 'reasons' for escalation. There is always a reason.

Well the bit you quoted is in no way accurate for anything. Okay so lets say it's not fake then but its an inaccurate useless piece of info.

 

[goatwack]

Aaaannnd Paul is in

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[livadiva]

Well the bit you quoted is in no way accurate for anything. Okay so lets say it's not fake then but its an inaccurate useless piece of info.

Most gun violence lately has been at the hands of toddlers in North America. It's not safe to walk the streets because of rental units seems to be the scariest here in Canada.

 

[Steviedoo]

I have no idea of guns in the UK. What I'm getting at is if the UK had the same gun culture USA has the criminals would be using guns and not knives or acid.

The left ultimately wants to get rid of the 2nd amendment and I think that is why the NRA is so unreasonable.

It’s been stated over and over. No one wants to get rid of the 2 nd amendment. When will you realize this is scare tactics from the nra.

There was a poll that showed people want some form of gun control.

 

[lockinlove]

I get how Americans feel it is their right to bear arms- that's so entrenched in their culture it will take generations to change, if at all. For self- protection, it has its uses.

Trump bringing others into the mix isn't helping....we're about as far removed from that as is possible. It's a ludicrous concept to most. Stating that Paris victims ought to have been armed, London etc was a tad detached. Showed that gulf in mentalities in regards to dealing with these crises

It does have its uses but the gun law is mainly focused around a law put into place in the 1700's. Before it was even a settled country yet and there was actually threats of government coup.

People run around and say dont take my fully automatic machine gun because its to deter the government from taking us over. Ya right.

Maybe one thing its good for is if another country wanted to invade the US they would have to deal with 300 million locked and loaded citizens too

 

[goatwack]

It does have its uses but the gun law is mainly focused around a law put into place in the 1700's. Before it was even a settled country yet and there was actually threats of government coup.

People run around and say dont take my fully automatic machine gun because its to deter the government from taking us over. Ya right.

Maybe one thing its good for is if another country wanted to invade the US they would have to deal with 300 million locked and loaded citizens too

Exactly, it's what I sort of said It's not 1787 so what need for the gun ownership really. Not to mention multiplte firearms per household etc

It's instilled as a right, early on, so the very notion of not having them seems nonsensical.

Bit like Iranian youth knowing the West as the great Satan.

Ok I'll stop with that now

 

[lockinlove]

Well the bit you quoted is in no way accurate for anything. Okay so lets say it's not fake then but its an inaccurate useless piece of info.

It was a sarcastic post because of the comments above with wild stat flinging. But I still dont see it as any more bias than what others have been using

 

[lockinlove]

Exactly, it's what I sort of said It's not 1787 so what need for the gun ownership really. Not to mention multiplte firearms per household etc

It's instilled as a right, early on, so the very notion of not having them seems nonsensical.

Bit like Iranian youth knowing the West as the great Satan.

Ok I'll stop with that now

There are some amendments that should be in place forever and there are some that should always be reviewed and adjusted over time as a direct result of change.

You ask most gun carrying americans why they wont give up their gun. Their response is because of the 2nd amendment. Then you ask them, you think there might be a government coup? And there ianswer is hey you never know. Again, thats BS.

Allowing an 18 year old to buy an ARF 15 rifle is hilarious considering that laws do not allow an 18 year old to even purchase alcohol. Which means, the country does not feel they are responsible enough or mature enough to be making those decisions yet.

As an 18 year old you are allowed to join the army and go to war. .. However, They question the decision making on whether they can buy a beer but feel they are mature enough to handle grenades, c4, machine guns, drive tanks, fighter planes and have the back of others around them?

Its almost as laughable as laws allowing parents to let their 5 year old choose what sex they want to be. Almost.

 

[paul7388]

There are some amendments that should be in place forever and there are some that should always be reviewed and adjusted over time as a direct result of change.

You ask most gun carrying americans why they wont give up their gun. Their response is because of the 2nd amendment. Then you ask them, you think there might be a government coup? And there ianswer is hey you never know. Again, thats BS.

Allowing an 18 year old to buy an ARF 15 rifle is hilarious considering that laws do not allow an 18 year old to even purchase alcohol. Which means, the country does not feel they are responsible enough or mature enough to be making those decisions yet.

As an 18 year old you are allowed to join the army and go to war. .. However, They question the decision making on whether they can buy a beer but feel they are mature enough to handle grenades, c4, machine guns, drive tanks, fighter planes and have the back of others around them?

Its almost as laughable as laws allowing parents to let their 5 year old choose what sex they want to be. Almost.

Agreed it is crazy that you can not buy alcohol at 18 over there. Maybe they don't want drunk kids walking around with machine guns lol. So they let them have the gun and stay sober. Crazy world.

As for the young kids and changing sex. I will definitely stay out of that debate for my own sake lol.

 

[lockinlove]

Agreed it is crazy that you can not buy alcohol at 18 over there. Maybe they don't want drunk kids walking around with machine guns lol. So they let them have the gun and stay sober. Crazy world.

As for the young kids and changing sex. I will definitely stay out of that debate for my own sake lol.

lmao ...it probably is their line of thinking.

I can picture George W Bush promoting the idea

 

[Steviedoo]

Best quote I read today...

In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The comment doesnt matter anyways. For one, its controversial. For two, by all accounts Khomeini was going to attempt to overthrow Pahlavi regardless if the USA was going to back them.

And even it did matter. None of that has to do with current administrations. What Jimmy Carter might have done back then still doesnt give Iran free pass to do what they are doing 40 years later. So just because the USA may have gotten involved doesnt mean that Germany, UK, USA etc should not act on Iran aggression and threats now

I see you started reading the historical facts. No go back and read the rest too to find out what mainly the US used the years for as long as the Shah was in place and why it led to the immense anti-US sentiment which was then even further indoctrinated by Khomeini and his hardliners.

Do you really think you can change that within a single generation?

And did you hear anything closely to the chants (you bring up every time) from the current Iranian president? Rouhani has probably one of the most difficult jobs as he as to constantly mediate between the hardliners and the moderates.

Germany, the UK and other countries are acting with diplomatic means via the appropriate channels and never throw around threats of war etc, the only one doing that is Mr. T! That is quite a difference.

 

[lockinlove]

Knowing that its legal to buy silencers and actually parts of congress pushing a bill through to make it easier, tells me all I need to know about the NRA.

Oh wait, I forgot. We need silencers because shooting a burglar is too loud. Soon high precision heat seeking rocket launchers will be made legal because a professional is shooting you from a distance that the average person cant accurately hit. And in order to defend yourself, you need a fair advantage.

 

[lockinlove]

I see you started reading the historical facts. No go back and read the rest too to find out what mainly the US used the years for as long as the Shah was in place and why it led to the immense anti-US sentiment which was then even further indoctrinated by Khomeini and his hardliners.

Do you really think you can change that within a single generation?

And did you hear anything closely to the chants (you bring up every time) from the current Iranian president? Rouhani has probably one of the most difficult jobs as he as to constantly mediate between the hardliners and the moderates.

Germany, the UK and other countries are acting with diplomatic means via the appropriate channels and never throw around threats of war etc, the only one doing that is Mr. T! That is quite a difference.

Oh instead of eyeroll emotes, we get smug comments that only Mr Harry knows history. Or lack there of.

The fact is, he was planning it regardless of the USA. Everything that you are trying to add is nothing but an excuse. Just like the chants dont include Britain who were just as much to blame for the accusations.

Again, making excuses instead of condemning it. Shocking.

Yes I do hear the chants and the threats and their national holiday still exist and takes place to this very day.

So its only Mr.T who has condemned and threatened Iran is it? I thought you knew history?

 

[lockinlove]

Best quote I read today...

In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.

It would be nice to see the media put pressure on America to at least add officers and metal detectors and other deterrents instead of talk about stormy daniels 24/7

A couple states I believe have now allowed some teachers to carry firearms but thats not nearly enough.

As always, the shooting stuff is dying down and the other garbage is taking over. Cue the next schooling in another month or two followed by weeks of media coverage and then forgotten. Rinse and repeat until people start voting for politicians who are stricter with guns.

 

[slotplayer]

So it produces less deaths than people overdosing, but would likely produce 15000 less murders and 39000 gun fatalities if people didn't have them, surely?

Not to mention official figures and actual figures tend to vary quite a lot....

perhaps but perhaps they'll just switch to knives, acid, rocks, sticks, bats, clubs, etc.. not to mention the majority of gun deaths are suicides, perhaps those will just be overdoses, bridge jumps or by carbon monoxide.

 

[slotplayer]

It’s been stated over and over. No one wants to get rid of the 2 nd amendment. When will you realize this is scare tactics from the nra.

There was a poll that showed people want some form of gun control.

Because a progressive admitted it the other night on Tucker, no video of it though.

 

[Steviedoo]

Because a progressive admitted it the other night on Tucker, no video of it though.

A progressive like who?

 

[goatwack]

I take it some aren't quite as enamored with Trump's bragging

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[slotplayer]

A progressive like who?

I forget his name, but tucker pressed him and he admitted it. I could not find the video.

 

[slotplayer]

It would be nice to see the media put pressure on America to at least add officers and metal detectors and other deterrents instead of talk about stormy daniels 24/7

A couple states I believe have now allowed some teachers to carry firearms but thats not nearly enough.

As always, the shooting stuff is dying down and the other garbage is taking over. Cue the next schooling in another month or two followed by weeks of media coverage and then forgotten. Rinse and repeat until people start voting for politicians who are stricter with guns.

I already knew resolve of the gun problems would go no where. Same as immigration.

 

[Steviedoo]

I forget his name, but tucker pressed him and he admitted it. I could not find the video.

Right. That means it’s no one who has any influence or knows much.

Some semblance of gun law and maybe less media attention would help.

 

[SpinUk]

perhaps but perhaps they'll just switch to knives, acid, rocks, sticks, bats, clubs, etc.. not to mention the majority of gun deaths are suicides, perhaps those will just be overdoses, bridge jumps or by carbon monoxide.

The effort and mentality that goes into killing someone with a bat or knife is a lot more extreme than pulling a trigger.

QQ for you - if you have ever been on the losing side of a serious fist fight, and you were armed with a gun, do you think you would use it?

Because I can tell you with 100% certainty you would. Hence the problem.

Its not guns per se, its when shit starts escalting and people have guns that people get killed. And that’s discounting the bi-monthly school shootings that happen. I love a lot of things about the US - genuinely - but I just do not agree or comprehend their stance on guns.

 

[slotplayer]

The effort and mentality that goes into killing someone with a bat or knife is a lot more extreme than pulling a trigger.

QQ for you - if you have ever been on the losing side of a serious fist fight, and you were armed with a gun, do you think you would us it?

Because I can tell you with 100% certainty you would. Hence the problem.

Its not guns per se, its when shit starts escalting and people have guns that people get killed. And that’s discounting the bi-monthly school shootings that happen. I love a lot of things about the US - genuinely - but I just do not agree or comprehend their stance on guns.

Nothing more personal than acid or a knife.

Do you know me? Being a little judgemental are we?

I'm not a gun enthusiast so its 100% certain I would not have a gun and I'm not a hot head.

 

[slotplayer]

Right. That means it’s no one who has any influence or knows much.

Some semblance of gun law and maybe less media attention would help.

We'd have to see the video now wouldn't we before we could determine the credibility of the guest.

 

[SpinUk]

Nothing more personal than acid or a knife.

Do you know me? Being a little judgemental are we?

I'm not a gun enthusiast so its 100% certain I would not have a gun and I'm not a hot head.

Did you read the quote or just fire off a reply.

“Nothing more personal than acid or a knife.“ Well, killing someone with your bare hands is more “personal” but that was exactly my point. Thanks for proving it. There are far fewer people with the mentality to kill more “personally” in the methods you describe.

Pulling a trigger isnt personal, its easier in the heat of the moment to do, it takes less time, its generally fatal, hence its more dangerous.

I didnt suggest you had a gun, read it again.

My point is in a stressful situation - like a fist fight - its easier and statistically more likely that if a gun is present then the gun will be used fatally. Killing someone with bare hands or even a knife is a lot more emotionally stressful and onerous, hence fewer fatalities with them - and a lot more people carry knifes.

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You are welcome.

 

[slotplayer]

Knowing that its legal to buy silencers and actually parts of congress pushing a bill through to make it easier, tells me all I need to know about the NRA.

Oh wait, I forgot. We need silencers because shooting a burglar is too loud. Soon high precision heat seeking rocket launchers will be made legal because a professional is shooting you from a distance that the average person cant accurately hit. And in order to defend yourself, you need a fair advantage.

it might wake the neighbors.

 

[Steviedoo]

We'd have to see the video now wouldn't we before we could determine the credibility of the guest.

sorry Fox News like cnn is not news. it’s entertainment.

 

[slotplayer]

Did you read the quote or just fire off a reply.

“Nothing more personal than acid or a knife.“ Well, killing someone with your bare hands is more “personal” but that was exactly my point. Thanks for proving it. There are far fewer people with the mentality to kill more “personally” in the methods you describe.

Pulling a trigger isnt personal, its easier in the heat of the moment to do, it takes less time, its generally fatal, hence its more dangerous.

I didnt suggest you had a gun, read it again.

My point is in a stresfull situation - like a fist fight - its easier and statistically more likely that if a gun is present then the gun will be used fatally. Killing someone with bare hands or even a knife is a lot more emotionally stressful and onerous, hence fewer fatalities with them - and a lot more people carry knifes.

Thanks for making me spell out a basic mainstream fact.

yes, that makes sense.

 

[slotplayer]

sorry Fox News like cnn is not news. it’s entertainment.

I trust tucker, he's skeptical on almost everything. I find him honest as well.

 

[lockinlove]

I take it some aren't quite as enamored with Trump's bragging

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lol he shouldnt say anything til after if he needs to coax his ego. But this and the Paris thing he said should surprise no one. Half the reason why he was elected because he isnt politically correct and a bit unhinged. Sort of like the dumb comment he made about McCain. Hes not a war hero, I like people who werent captured. lol?

I dont find it amusing he acted out lining people up and shooting them but these are the things that his base will admit they agree with his point but he should have said it in a different way. I actually read the article on yahoo and thought the comments in the comment section were going to be all flaming. Instead I found hundreds saying he isnt wrong. Because anything america and guns even his haters will defend it no matter what.

You have to fight congress and at the very least half the population on gun reform. You have the old generation who sits there and says "that government tries take my here guns, you will have a war at yer doorstep. yeeehawww"

 

[lockinlove]

I trust tucker, he's skeptical on almost everything. I find him honest as well.

yep Tucker is very good. He blasts Trump sometimes when he deserves it like on immigration negotiating and when he was talking about stricter gun laws.

I saw the two FBI agents 'resigned' that were part of the Comey era who had participated in prior investigation and were caught being anti Trump. A federal judge calls out the Mueller team. Comey even confronted by liberals such as Anderson Cooper for being a leaker and Comey tried to say he didnt.

Sad!

 

[Harry_BKK]

yep Tucker is very good. He blasts Trump sometimes when he deserves it like on immigration negotiating and when he was talking about stricter gun laws.

I saw the two FBI agents 'resigned' that were part of the Comey era who had participated in prior investigation and were caught being anti Trump. A federal judge calls out the Mueller team. Comey even confronted by liberals such as Anderson Cooper for being a leaker and Comey tried to say he didnt.

Sad!

It is indeed sad seeing you spreading misinformation again.

Only Lisa Page was part of any FBI investigation. Baker was the general counsel of the FBI. And there is no being "caught" when somebody is against a political candidate. FBI agents are allowed to vote after all and still do their job properly. Or do you seriously think that the entire FBI was pro-Hillary?

The federal judge called out on Mueller which is barking up the wrong tree since the authorization was given by the DoJ. Plus, it was very well explained by Mueller's attorney.

Comey explained repeatedly that he had legal teams going over the memos to make sure that he does not give anything classified to the press, hence it is not a leak.

But then for you, anything in favor of Mr. T goes, doesn't it! Even when it's false or misleading information.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Oh instead of eyeroll emotes, we get smug comments that only Mr Harry knows history. Or lack there of.

The fact is, he was planning it regardless of the USA. Everything that you are trying to add is nothing but an excuse. Just like the chants dont include Britain who were just as much to blame for the accusations.

Again, making excuses instead of condemning it. Shocking.

Yes I do hear the chants and the threats and their national holiday still exist and takes place to this very day.

So its only Mr.T who has condemned and threatened Iran is it? I thought you knew history?

I did not refer to Khomeini having plans to overthrow the Shah.

Again, read the history. Without the US, who assisted the overthrowing of a democratically elected government, the Shah would never have been reinstated. And read how the following years proved favorable mainly for the US, which let the anti-US sentiment grow. That was far before Khomeini had any plans to oust the Shah.

Yes, they still have chants and holidays and whatever. That is why I posted the question: Do you think you can change that so quickly? It will take more than one generation to have an effective change for such things.

As for your last questions. You do sound desperate to find that needle in the haystack, don't you (or better, something that I have missed)? Do you really think that when I read books, reports, news, etc, I flick through the lines and miraculously find and read only some parts that contain details on the wrongs of the US?

 

[lockinlove]

It is indeed sad seeing you spreading misinformation again.

Only Lisa Page was part of any FBI investigation. Baker was the general counsel of the FBI. And there is no being "caught" when somebody is against a political candidate. FBI agents are allowed to vote after all.

The federal judge called out on Mueller which is barking up the wrong tree since the authorization was given by the DoJ. Plus, it was very well explained by Mueller's attorney.

Comey explained repeatedly that he had legal teams going of the memos to make sure that he does not give anything classified to the press, hence it is not a leak.

But then for you, anything in favor of Mr. T goes, doesn't it! Even when it's false or misleading information.

Well the problem with this as usual. You're so quick to hate anything Trump related you only read the bias articles.. instead of looking up information.

There is a reason two FBI agents resigned. Baker for reportedly sharing classified information on the Trump dossier to reporters. The other for sharing anti Trump bias while on the job.
"For a true democracy to function effectively it needs to have an independent federal law enforcement agency and to not be influenced either by politics or by ideology. Even though the Hatch Act does not prevent an FBI agent (or anyone else) from being privately critical of the President, there is a set of professional norms which make it unpalatable. In many agencies, it is equally important to avoid the appearance of partisanship as well as actual partisanship" James Comey also made these same comments on numerous interviews.

Its no different than General McChrystal who was fired for making critical remarks about Obama.





There is a reason why a federal judge called out the investigation. Of course you of all people believe Muellers attorney. Not bias at all

In regards to Comey, there is a reason why the department inspector general is now looking into the Comey memos. Also, look up the definition of leak. "To be the source of an information leak"

Next time dont do a quick google search in attempt to just argue You cant keep posting made up stuff all the time. Or can you? I guess you can but you dont really fool anyone lol

 

[Harry_BKK]

Well the problem with this as usual. You're so quick to hate anything Trump related you only read the bias articles.. instead of looking up information.

There is a reason two FBI agents resigned. Baker for reportedly sharing classified information on the Trump dossier to reporters. The other for sharing anti Trump bias while on the job.
"For a true democracy to function effectively it needs to have an independent federal law enforcement agency and to not be influenced either by politics or by ideology. Even though the Hatch Act does not prevent an FBI agent (or anyone else) from being privately critical of the President, there is a set of professional norms which make it unpalatable. In many agencies, it is equally important to avoid the appearance of partisanship as well as actual partisanship" James Comey also made these same comments on numerous interviews.


Its no different than General McChrystal who was fired for making critical remarks about Obama.



There is a reason why a federal judge called out the investigation. Of course you of all people believe Muellers attorney. Not bias at all

In regards to Comey, there is a reason why the department inspector general is now looking into the Comey memos. Also, look up the definition of leak. "To be the source of an information leak"

Next time dont do a quick google search in attempt to just argue You cant keep posting made up stuff all the time. Or can you? I guess you can but you dont really fool anyone lol

It is still not illegal to be critical of a political candidate so there can be no "caught". The Hatch Act refers to the "President". IIRC, at the time when they started their conversation about Mr. T, he was a candidate, not president.

Baker was investigated and no charges were filed, so your "reportedly" does not hold water. Late 2018 IIRC, he was reassigned (read demoted) when Wray took over which is absolutely normal when a new director comes in. He now resigned because he found a better job.

I did not say I believe Mueller's attorney, I said he explained it well. Plus that the judge should inquire with the DoJ who issued the authorization.

The IG is looking into the Comey memos after a few Republicans and Mr. T went haywire to have an investigation started. No result yet, and no charges. Hence legally, you cannot call him a leaker.

Do you seriously think a professional like Comey would let himself being caught off-guard so easily by leaking classified information??

 

[lockinlove]

I did not refer to Khomeini having plans to overthrow the Shah.

Again, read the history. Without the US, who assisted the overthrowing of a democratically elected government, the Shah would never have been reinstated. And read how the following years proved favorable mainly for the US, which let the anti-US sentiment grow. That was far before Khomeini had any plans to oust the Shah.

Yes, they still have chants and holidays and whatever. That is why I posted the question: Do you think you can change that so quickly? It will take more than one generation to have an effective change for such things.

As for your last questions. You do sound desperate to find that needle in the haystack, don't you (or better, something that I have missed)? Do you really think that when I read books, reports, news, etc, I flick through the lines and miraculously find and read only some parts that contain details on the wrongs of the US?

Oh really? Maybe you should actually read up on it. He went from being exiled to returning and having millions of supporters/followers. Its taken much less to overthrow a government. Also, the year prior tens of thousands of Iranians took to the streets to protest the Shah. It led to civil unrest and Shah murdering thousands of its civilians. There was so many protests that the Shah actually fled. So as usual no it wasnt all the United States fault but keep pumping out that false anti american propaganda.

Your last sentence, yes I do believe that.

 

[lockinlove]

It is still not illegal to be critical of a political candidate so there can be no "caught". The Hatch Act refers to the "President". IIRC, at the time when they started their conversation about Mr. T, he was a candidate, not president.

Baker was investigated and no charges were filed, so your "reportedly" does not hold water. Late 2018 IIRC, he was reassigned (read demoted) when Wray took over which is absolutely normal when a new director comes in. He now resigned because he found a better job.

I did not say I believe Mueller's attorney, I said he explained it well. Plus that the judge should inquire with the DoJ who issued the authorization.

The IG is looking into the Comey memos after a few Republicans and Mr. T went haywire to have an investigation started. No result yet, and no charges. Hence legally, you cannot call him a leaker.

Do you seriously think a professional like Comey would let himself being caught off-guard so easily by leaking classified information??

Nobody said its illegal. But you can lose your job because of it. There is no question about it.

Aside from all of the facts, are you really just going to ignore that the two agents who have been the front and center of this, just resigned recently because of unrelated reasons? Come on.

I and everyone can call him a leaker because he fits the definition of it. Whether it was classified information or not remains to be seen. He is a leaker.

The inspector general just doesnt comply with a few republicans throwing a temper tantrum like you insisted. There needs to be credible reasoning proved In order to use its resources.

A professional like Comey was recommended to be fired by Rosenstein because of unprofessionalism. So the answer to your question is yes.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Oh really? Maybe you should actually read up on it. He went from being exiled to returning and having millions of supporters/followers. Its taken much less to overthrow a government. Also, the year prior tens of thousands of Iranians took to the streets to protest the Shah. It led to civil unrest and Shah murdering thousands of its civilians. There was so many protests that the Shah actually fled. So as usual no it wasnt all the United States fault but keep pumping out that false anti american propaganda.

Your last sentence, yes I do believe that.

And why did the Iranians take to the streets to protest the Shah which led ultimately to Khomeini's return???

As for your answer to my last sentence in the previous post, you took the bait as expected.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Nobody said its illegal. But you can lose your job because of it. There is no question about it.

Aside from all of the facts, are you really just going to ignore that the two agents who have been the front and center of this, just resigned recently because of unrelated reasons? Come on.

I and everyone can call him a leaker because he fits the definition of it. Whether it was classified information or not remains to be seen. He is a leaker.

The inspector general just doesnt comply with a few republicans throwing a temper tantrum like you insisted. There needs to be credible reasoning proved In order to use its resources.

A professional like Comey was recommended to be fired by Rosenstein because of unprofessionalism. So the answer to your question is yes.

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Were they fired? NO, so there was nothing that improper going on. Front and center, oh please. They were part of a team, nothing else. Baker was the general counsel for the FBI, not specifically for that investigation team.

The few republicans and Mr T threw countless tantrums over months to have the investigation started. Comey channeled his memos to the press about 1 year ago so the IG knew about it for a long time but did not start his investigation until recently. Why?

The famous Rostenstein memo, to which Mr. T clearly stated that it was not the main reason to have him fired.

 

[Steviedoo]

Nobody said its illegal. But you can lose your job because of it. There is no question about it.

Aside from all of the facts, are you really just going to ignore that the two agents who have been the front and center of this, just resigned recently because of unrelated reasons? Come on.

I and everyone can call him a leaker because he fits the definition of it. Whether it was classified information or not remains to be seen. He is a leaker.

The inspector general just doesnt comply with a few republicans throwing a temper tantrum like you insisted. There needs to be credible reasoning proved In order to use its resources.

A professional like Comey was recommended to be fired by Rosenstein because of unprofessionalism. So the answer to your question is yes.

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...trump stated on tv he fired comey for the russia thing. he also tweeted about it. many times over. except now he is saying
...no not about the russia thing...i never said that...

just like he never said he didn't know about the stormy payment when asked on airforce one...and then giuliani... ...goes on tv this week and says of course he knew....and now the entire whitehouse is going along with that trying to make that lie true by explaining it.....one interview and giuliani...has had to go back on tv and back pedal...there is something seriously wrong with this...but that's just me.

it's just one lie after another...let's see how much we can get away with it...that's the attitude...and it's completely ridiculous.

how many lies can he get away with.
apparently many, cuz people don't care.

 

[sapit222]

I just jump over most of the pro Mr. Trump parts.

No1 can defend him, least of all, himself.

I dont understand how the americans can let him stay as president...

 

[lockinlove]

...trump stated on tv he fired comey for the russia thing. he also tweeted about it. many times over. except now he is saying
...no not about the russia thing...i never said that...

just like he never said he didn't know about the stormy payment when asked on airforce one...and then giuliani... ...goes on tv this week and says of course he knew....and now the entire whitehouse is going along with that trying to make that lie true by explaining it.....one interview and giuliani...has had to go back on tv and back pedal...there is something seriously wrong with this...but that's just me.

it's just one lie after another...let's see how much we can get away with it...that's the attitude...and it's completely ridiculous.

how many lies can he get away with.
apparently many, cuz people don't care.

Thats fine. It doesnt mean anything less about Comey.

But anyways he has been going back and forth from Russia to the recommendation from Rosenstain for a very long time.

The famous Rostenstein memo, to which Mr. T clearly stated that it was not the main reason to have him fired.

Wrong.

 

[lockinlove]

Were they fired? NO, so there was nothing that improper going on. Front and center, oh please. They were part of a team, nothing else. Baker was the general counsel for the FBI, not specifically for that investigation team.

The few republicans and Mr T threw countless tantrums over months to have the investigation started. Comey channeled his memos to the press about 1 year ago so the IG knew about it for a long time but did not start his investigation until recently. Why?

Yep the both resigned after months of being investigated and their texts etc brought before congress is just a coincidence because you say so. Such sour grapes. The Justice department sent those texts to congress because they were unimportant right?

Again. You are clearly making up things. The inspector general does not start an investigation over a temper tantrum. There needs to be credible evidence given. So wrong again.

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[lockinlove]

And why did the Iranians take to the streets to protest the Shah which led ultimately to Khomeini's return???

As for your answer to my last sentence in the previous post, you took the bait as expected.

History suggests 3 compiled reasons.
#1. Khomeini was popular amongst the Iranians and had much support and when the Shah spoke out in a negative manner, the protests started by Iranians.
#2. Some believe the Shah was the Wests puppets and had to go
#3. The Iranians saw the shah as oppressive, corrupt and bad for the economy

I suggest you read the history of Khomeini.


But why state and blame the USA during the revolution? Why not go back and blame the Brits and the Russians when they invaded Iran in 1941 and ousted their leader because he had ties to Hitler? Which put Pahlavi into power.

Americas fault again, right?

You are doing nothing but cherry picking statements in history.

 

[Steviedoo]

Thats fine. It doesnt mean anything less about Comey.

But anyways he has been going back and forth from Russia to the recommendation from Rosenstain for a very long time.





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That letter is meaningless when you’ve got the president of the USA admit several rimes on tv and on twitter the reasons he fired him was for the russia thing.

So now that he’s under investigation for obstruction...they are trying to take it back...some twitter post last week from him said he didn’t fire him for the Russia thing.

Repeat things enough times, create chaos, roll back what you said, and repeat the new lie over and over and wash, rinse repeat. That is the trump presidency playbook.

But he says the news lies yet he lies daily. Things that he said mere days ago get denied and spinned.

As well, he should stop saying how the fbi is bias. Maybe that would restore the public’s faith. How is it possible that every branch of American intelligence is against him. Come on.



And as an aside...another golf day yesterday...the whitehouse embarrassed to admit this so they don’t say what he’s doing.

This would be day 111 out 415. And yes someone out there is counting.