North Korea and US politics

[Kelly Jo]

That is exactly the crux of the agreement which Mr T spins in the wrong way. Although there are sunset provisions, they won't be able to just restart their program. It is technically just not possible.

Yep, all those billions Mr. T claims were handed over to Iran as a gift, were indeed funds frozen due to sanctions and some of that goes back decades.

Unless you believe Mossad operatives that obtained proof that Iran mislead and lied throughout the entire negotiations. Restart? Pfft. They never stopped. They simply relocated.

As if Mr. T would have entered the venue knowing nearly 100% of the attendants wear their legally acquired weapons.

As for the other stuff.....you do like your (false) conspiracies, do you?

I like YOU, Harry!

Wait! Well...Well... Well... What do we have here? A group of anti-gun liberals with armed guards?
The hypocrisy swings both ways. (How appropriately liberal... Right? )

Come on, Harry! Ya make it too easy.
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[Steviedoo]

Unless you believe Mossad operatives that obtained proof that Iran mislead and lied throughout the entire negotiations. Restart? Pfft. They never stopped. They simply relocated.


I like YOU, Harry!

Wait! Well...Well... Well... What do we have here? A group of anti-gun liberals with armed guards?
The hypocrisy swings both ways. (How appropriately liberal... Right? )

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Come on, Harry! Ya make it too easy.
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Are the anti gun liberal armed guards carrying semi automatic weapons? The Ar15?

Not hypocrites. They want what most of America wants. Sensible gun laws.

Let’s keep our guns. do we really need the semi auto guns?

 

[lockinlove]

Just because he goes on tv with an ego and states oh hey im smarter than everyone else I was going to fire him anyways because of Russia doesnt mean hes guilty of obstruction.

I highly doubt that any council would state his actual formal letter for firing Comey is meaningless. Thats actually what they take into account most. Not what a politician says at a rally or to the media when they have the formal letter at their disposal.

 

[Steviedoo]

Just because he goes on tv with an ego and states oh hey im smarter than everyone else I was going to fire him anyways because of Russia doesnt mean hes guilty of obstruction.

I highly doubt that any council would state his actual formal letter for firing Comey is meaningless. Thats actually what they take into account most. Not what a politician says at a rally or to the media when they have the formal letter at their disposal.

Wow. Just wow.

And he didn’t say I was going to fire him anyways for the Russia thing.
He clearly stated he fired him for it. On twitter on tv.

But it’s clear that whatever president trump does. It will be explained away.

 

[lockinlove]

As well, he should stop saying how the fbi is bias. Maybe that would restore the public’s faith. How is it possible that every branch of American intelligence is against him. Come on.

Well if anyone has been proven to bias it is the FBI.

McCabe fired for leaking things to the press and lying to congress and his boss. He was also found guilty of this by the Justice department inspector general.

Again Comey fired which was suggested by the assistant attorney general who is far from a Trump fan. Who was backed up by numerous top aid officials both democrat and republican.

2 FBI agents who took part in anti Trump conversations while on the job, resigned prior to the soon to be released findings of the OIG

What more proof does anyone need to prove the FBI is a mess?

 

[lockinlove]

Wow. Just wow.

And he didn’t say I was going to fire him anyways for the Russia thing.
He clearly stated he fired him for it. On twitter on tv.

But it’s clear that whatever president trump does. It will be explained away.

Why the hyperbole?

His official letter will most likely be used. Not what him or his team said on twitter or what he said to the media or at rallys. This not hard to grasp. Its common sense.

Do you know why he didnt include the Russia thing in his letter? But 2 days later stated otherwise at a rally? Its called pumping his own tires.

Why do you always play this victim card. Oh whatever Trump does will be explained. I have called Trump out on numerous things, sorry that I am not led around by liberal media sources.

 

[Kelly Jo]

Are the anti gun liberal armed guards carrying semi automatic weapons? The Ar15?
Not hypocrites. They want what most of America wants. Sensible gun laws.

Let’s keep our guns. Just do we really need the semi auto guns?

Total Hypocrisy. .

The second amendment was put in place-- not so that we could protect ourselves from common thieves, rapists, and psychopaths. It's intent is to allow us to protect ourselves from the GOVERNMENT.
You can't fight fire with a firecracker.​

 

[Steviedoo]

Why the hyperbole?

His official letter will be used. Not what him or his team said on twitter or what he said to the media or at rallys. This not hard to grasp. Its common sense.

Do you know why he didnt include the Russia thing in his letter? But 2 days later stated otherwise at a rally? Its called pumping his own tires.

Why do you always play this victim card. Oh whatever Trump does will be explained. I have called Trump out on numerous things, sorry that I am not led around by liberal media sources.

what standards should we hold the president of the USA to?

Cuz apparently he can say and do whatever he wants because that’s who he is, it’s his ego, and And...

 

[Steviedoo]

Total Hypocrisy. .

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The second amendment was put in place-- not so that we could protect ourselves from common thieves, rapists, and psychopaths. It's intent is to allow us to protect ourselves from the GOVERNMENT.
You can't fight fire with a firecracker.​

Who is that guy protecting? If it’s president, vp, or anyone running for president then yes. It says secret service.

I agreed with lockinlove that the president or vp should not be in a room filled with people with guns for obvious reasons

So sorry not a hypocrite.

Is there a sensible gun law?

 

[Kelly Jo]

what standards should we hold the president of the USA to?

Cuz apparently he can say and do whatever he wants because that’s who he is, it’s his ego, and And...

Uhhhh.... That's every political figure. heh heh heh

 

[Kelly Jo]

Who is that guy protecting? If it’s president, vp, or anyone running for president then yes. It says secret service.

I agreed with lockinlove that the president or vp should not be in a room filled with people with guns for obvious reasons

So sorry not a hypocrite.

Is there a sensible gun law?

I'm not calling you a hypocrite. lol.

 

[Kelly Jo]

I'll say it again...

The second amendment was put in place-- not so that we could protect ourselves from common thieves, rapists, and psychopaths. It's intent is to allow us to protect ourselves from the GOVERNMENT.
You can't fight fire with a firecracker.​

 

[slotplayer]

I don't have time to catch up so I'll just post this here for you all.

 

[lockinlove]

what standards should we hold the president of the USA to?

Cuz apparently he can say and do whatever he wants because that’s who he is, it’s his ego, and And...

Not that of your every day politician (although he talks trash like one). He has always been an exaggerator with an ego. This isnt something knew, America new what they were getting when they elected him.

Did you know Obama and bush and Clinton made false claims just like Trump? Nope because the liberal media wasnt in an uproar.

Obama:

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That was a blatant lie. Very Trumpesque no?

Most young americans arent covered by insurance

That was proven to be a lie

Jobs create by keystone is 2000.

This was proven to be a lie from actual statements from keystone administrators.

We have doubled the distance a car can go with a gallon of gas

Um no. Another statement to mislead

He stated they were keeping congress apprised of counter terrorism.

Actually no because congress complained they werent being updated....at all.

Self crediting himself about the growth of obama care

False. it was proven it was the economy by both democrats and republican analysts

Stating fast and furious was under Bush

Nope. 2009.

Said Mitt Romney would deny gay rights

video footage claims that to be a lie.


There are hundreds more lies like this from him. More from Bush. And would have been more from Clinton but his ultimate lie got him impeached so his time was shortened.

This is nothing new. You just think it is because CNN and MSNBC is jamming it down your throat every day.

 

[goatwack]

I just jump over most of the pro Mr. Trump parts.

No1 can defend him, least of all, himself.

I dont understand how the americans can let him stay as president...

This thread isn't about Trump, it's about North Korea!

I think

 

[goatwack]

Oh my goodness, Americans really do believe their right to carry weapons is to protect them from the government haha

1) It would never happen

2) It would be a rather 'short' fight

Wow

 

[Steviedoo]

He will shoot someone on 5th ave in broad daylight with 1000s of witnesses and you will all explain it and say what about Clinton, what about obama, what about so and so...

and yes let’s use all politicians lie line seems to work.


And just a note. I do not watch any news program. Especially cnn. That is the ultimate insult. Take it back. Lol.



And so I’m gonna start making America great again..
And will do my part and go outside and clean up the spring trash on my moms property and near by.

Only thing I can do.

 

[Steviedoo]

Uhhhh.... That's every political figure. heh heh heh

No those are dictators from corrupt countries.

There are checks and balances in place in America to keep such behaviour from happening.

 

[goatwack]

He will shoot someone on 5th ave in broad daylight with 1000s of witnesses and you will all explain it and say what about Clinton, what about obama, what about so and so...

and yes let’s use all politicians lie line seems to work.


And just a note. I do not watch any news program. Especially cnn. That is the ultimate insult. Take it back. Lol.



And so I’m gonna start making America great again..
And will do my part and go outside and clean up the spring trash on my moms property and near by.

Only thing I can do.

You'll get more accurate news and facts from the spring trash than any mainstream media news outlet

 

[Kelly Jo]

Oh my goodness, Americans really do believe their right to carry weapons is to protect them from the government haha

1) It would never happen

2) It would be a rather 'short' fight

Wow

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Second Amendment was based partially on the right to keep and bear arms in English common law and was influenced by the

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described this right as an auxiliary right, supporting the natural rights of self-defense and resistance to oppression, and the civic duty to act in concert in defense of the state.

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A short fight, my ass...



There are around 2.5 million Americans in the US military. Total.

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We can generously double that number to include police personnel.

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So... 5 million.

About 4 million guns are owned by military and 2 million owned by police. So we'll say 6 million for military and police-combined.

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All these numbers are generously rounded up.

There are approximately 320 million people in the United States.
Americans own aproximately 300 million firearms.

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This doesn't take into account the military's advantage with regard to training and alternate weaponry, nor does it acknowledge the advantage that citizens have with respect to the immense size of the United States.

 

[Kelly Jo]

No those are dictators from corrupt countries.

There are checks and balances in place in America to keep such behaviour from happening.

Sure there are.

 

[goatwack]

I get it now, now that's been cleared up

 

[Kelly Jo]

I get it now, now that's been cleared up

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Did you just DOX yourself? heh heh heh

 

[Steviedoo]

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Second Amendment was based partially on the right to keep and bear arms in English common law and was influenced by the

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.

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described this right as an auxiliary right, supporting the natural rights of self-defense and resistance to oppression, and the civic duty to act in concert in defense of the state.

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A short fight, my ass...



There are around 2.5 million Americans in the US military. Total.

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We can generously double that number to include police personnel.

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So... 5 million.

About 4 million guns are owned by military and 2 million owned by police. So we'll say 6 million for military and police-combined.

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All these numbers are generously rounded up.

There are approximately 320 million people in the United States.
Americans own aproximately 300 million firearms.

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This doesn't take into account the military's advantage with regard to training and alternate weaponry, nor does it acknowledge the advantage that citizens have with respect to the immense size of the United States.

I think you are overlooking the fighter jets, tanks, missiles, bombs, chemical and state of the art weaponry....I think we would lose even with 300 million guns.

 

[slotplayer]

 

[Harry_BKK]

Yep the both resigned after months of being investigated and their texts etc brought before congress is just a coincidence because you say so. Such sour grapes. The Justice department sent those texts to congress because they were unimportant right?

Again. You are clearly making up things. The inspector general does not start an investigation over a temper tantrum. There needs to be credible evidence given. So wrong again.

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The so called "credible evidence" has been there since April/May 2017!

 

[Harry_BKK]

History suggests 3 compiled reasons.
#1. Khomeini was popular amongst the Iranians and had much support and when the Shah spoke out in a negative manner, the protests started by Iranians.
#2. Some believe the Shah was the Wests puppets and had to go
#3. The Iranians saw the shah as oppressive, corrupt and bad for the economy

I suggest you read the history of Khomeini.


But why state and blame the USA during the revolution? Why not go back and blame the Brits and the Russians when they invaded Iran in 1941 and ousted their leader because he had ties to Hitler? Which put Pahlavi into power.

Americas fault again, right?

You are doing nothing but cherry picking statements in history.

Yet again you failed to read my posts properly. All the time, I referred on how the Shah was reinstated and how mainly the US benefited from that which led to the increase in anti-US sentinment. But it is good to see that you finally read up on the historical facts.

Now to some real facts which you continually choose to disregard. From the released secret CIA docs:

"The military coup that overthrew Mosaddeq and his National Front cabinet was carried out under CIA direction as an act of US foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government."


The entire draft document is here, redacted before its release:

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So who is to blame? The main portion goes clearly to the US with the British coming in second. But contrary to the US, the British have admitted to their mistakes and use now the proper diplomatic channels to deal with the situation. The entire war-mongering in the past decades is coming from the US with the approval/support of Israel and the Gulf Arabs.

Khomeini was lurking just outside Iran and blasting the country with all sorts of messages, but the main point which triggered the revolution was that the Shah was currying too much favor with the US and selling the country out while the Iranian people suffered and lost out. That was at least the public sentiment which Khomeini and other hardliners used very well to start the revolution.

 

[lockinlove]

The so called "credible evidence" has been there since April/May 2017!

So the OIG job is to read every detail in the USA by himself and start and investigation all by himself? Thats not how it works.

 

[lockinlove]

Yet again you failed to read my posts properly. All the time, I referred on how the Shah was reinstated and how mainly the US benefited from that which led to the increase in anti-US sentinment. But it is good to see that you finally read up on the historical facts.

Now to some real facts which you continually choose to disregard. From the released secret CIA docs:

"The military coup that overthrew Mosaddeq and his National Front cabinet was carried out under CIA direction as an act of US foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government."


The entire draft document is here, redacted before its release:

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So who is to blame? The main portion goes clearly to the US with the British coming in second. But contrary to the US, the British have admitted to their mistakes and use now the proper diplomatic channels to deal with the situation. The entire war-mongering in the past decades is coming from the US with the approval/support of Israel and the Gulf Arabs.

Khomeini was lurking just outside Iran and blasting the country with all sorts of messages, but the main point which triggered the revolution was that the Shah was currying too much favor with the US and selling the country out while the Iranian people suffered and lost out. That was at least the public sentiment which Khomeini and other hardliners used very well to start the revolution.

Now to some real facts? You mean bias.

You want to blame the USA because of how Iran is aggressively acting today. I gave you reasons on why you can blame numerous parties if you want to go down that road. Your other defense is well give Iran time to not threaten countries and fund terrorism. 40 years isnt enough. Its an argument used by someone who doesnt have a real argument.

Again, why not blame the countries that invaded Iran in 1941 which allowed a new leader to take power? You have no problem going back to 1953 because it suits your anti american rhetoric.

Israel took steps to repair relations during the Iran, Iraq conflict by providing Iran with weapons for their airforce which is one of the main reason why Iran did so well. In return, Iran continued with its Israel hate mongering and calls for destruction within weeks after.

 

[Steviedoo]

Seriously.
How many years apart are those two pieces of videotape of her. She looks like she’s about 60 in the second piece. And she’s what 84 now. Time and her party probably changed her mind. As well

you fall for these scare tactics by the nra.

And how convenient that now you care that someone is caught in a lie.

If we were to Cut and edit pieces of tape of trump caught in a lie...we would have hours upon hours of videostape of him lying. Actually someone is counting how many lies he tells. We are up to 3300. Yes someone is wasting their time doing this.

I’m not a fan of diane fienstein cuz I was never a dem before this year..but time for the dems to get new blood. Don’t want to be an ageist....but she’s 84. She needs to retire not run for senate.

 

[lockinlove]

Today is the big day for Trump to announce his plans on Iran.

I would say there is about 0.5% chance he doesnt cancel it.

Should be interesting to see how this ends up over the next few months.

 

[Steviedoo]

I don't have time to catch up so I'll just post this here for you all.

Ok 30 seconds in and it’s about Clinton. How typical of fox.

Here let me say it again.

Where are those two million emails that disappeared right after 9 11.
Do you know that pence used a private email system and is refusing to release them while he was the governor of Indiana.

Do you know that the White House are using private emails.


Here:
Benghazi
7 investigations. 4 years. 0 indictments.

Emails
2 years. O indictments

Trump Russia probe
1 year and a bit
23 indictments.


Also what this shows is that fox is so misinformed. And continues to peddle fake facts just like the president. And just like cnn.

Entertainment. Not news.


Edit: comey was a hero for all republicans in those last weeks of election. Suddenly he is a zero.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Now to some real facts? You mean bias.

You want to blame the USA because of how Iran is aggressively acting today. I gave you reasons on why you can blame numerous parties if you want to go down that road. Your other defense is well give Iran time to not threaten countries and fund terrorism. 40 years isnt enough. Its an argument used by someone who doesnt have a real argument.

Again, why not blame the countries that invaded Iran in 1941 which allowed a new leader to take power? You have no problem going back to 1953 because it suits your anti american rhetoric.

Israel took steps to repair relations during the Iran, Iraq conflict by providing Iran with weapons for their airforce which is one of the main reason why Iran did so well. In return, Iran continued with its Israel hate mongering and calls for destruction within weeks after.

Why 1953? Because it is directly linked to the present situation.

FYI, 1941 was during the second world war where everyone was eyeing for territory gains. 1953 was during peace time and was done as a specific and planned part of the US foreign policy.

Since you mention Israel, you probably know that that was a pure strategic decision and supported by the US, because at the time they feared Iraq more than the Iran, plus the anti-Israel rhetoric from Iran at the time was far from what it became in the 90's and present century. And no, Israel was not the main reason Iran did well, it was simply one of the reasons since quite a few countries supplied weapons to Iran during the war, some even supplied both sides and a lot more than Israel. Israel just wanted a piece of the pie from selling weapons, certainly not because they were trying to be friendly towards Iran.

Fun fact, the US officially supported Iraq and Sadam Hussein in the war, only to bomb him out some years later. So much for being a reliable ally. And as per known history records:

"The Americans and the British also either blocked or watered down UN resolutions that condemned Iraq for using chemical weapons against the Iranians and their own Kurdish citizens." (source - Wikipedia, but no problem supplying you with other not-so-common sources.). Funny that today Haley / Mr. T are blasting Russia for exact the same tactics. Better clean your own house first before trying to accuse others.

Hmmm, you really wanna get into the complex events of the Iran - Iraq war?

BTW, the main guy responsible for the Iran Contra affair will be the new NRA president! Someone who supported terrorists can be the president of the NRA. Only in the US!

 

[Harry_BKK]

So the OIG job is to read every detail in the USA by himself and start and investigation all by himself? Thats not how it works.

What kind of nonsense is that? Where did anyone say the OIG has to read every detail in the US?

These were memos from no less than the former FBI director that were channeled to the press. Last time i checked, the OIG has a duty to know whats going on in the FBI and how FBI material is handled.

 

[slotplayer]

Ok 30 seconds in and it’s about Clinton. How typical of fox.

Here let me say it again.

Where are those two million emails that disappeared right after 9 11.
Do you know that pence used a private email system and is refusing to release them while he was the governor of Indiana.

Do you know that the White House are using private emails.


Here:
Benghazi
7 investigations. 4 years. 0 indictments.

Emails
2 years. O indictments

Trump Russia probe
1 year and a bit
23 indictments.


Also what this shows is that fox is so misinformed. And continues to peddle fake facts just like the president. And just like cnn.

Entertainment. Not news.


Edit: comey was a hero for all republicans in those last weeks of election. Suddenly he is a zero.

I liked the interview, he asked the tough questions.
Actually I find Brett Baier one of more fair reporters on cable news.
Even CNN has fair reporters like Blitzer.

 

[lockinlove]

Why 1953? Because it is directly linked to the present situation.

FYI, 1941 was during the second world war where everyone was eyeing for territory gains. 1953 was during peace time and was done as a specific and planned part of the US foreign policy.

Since you mention Israel, you probably know that that was a pure strategic decision and supported by the US, because at the time they feared Iraq more than the Iran, plus the anti-Israel rhetoric from Iran at the time was far from what it became in the 90's and present century. And no, Israel was not the main reason Iran did well, it was simply one of the reasons since quite a few countries supplied weapons to Iran during the war, some even supplied both sides and a lot more than Israel. Israel just wanted a piece of the pie from selling weapons, certainly not because they were trying to be friendly towards Iran.

Fun fact, the US officially supported Iraq and Sadam Hussein in the war, only to bomb him out some years later. So much for being a reliable ally. And as per known history records:

"The Americans and the British also either blocked or watered down UN resolutions that condemned Iraq for using chemical weapons against the Iranians and their own Kurdish citizens." (source - Wikipedia, but no problem supplying you with other not-so-common sources.). Funny that today Haley / Mr. T are blasting Russia for exact the same tactics. Better clean your own house first before trying to accuse others.

Hmmm, you really wanna get into the complex events of the Iran - Iraq war?

BTW, the main guy responsible for the Iran Contra affair will be the new NRA president! Someone who supported terrorists can be the president of the NRA. Only in the US!

It doesnt matter if it was strategic or not. It really doesnt. At all. It was still a sign of good will and strategy that was of great importance for Iran in order to compete in the war. Without the airforce, they would have lost. Not ended in a stale mate. Stop making things up to suit your argument. Every history website, book and wikipedia all mention that Israel was of great importance for Iran, if not the most important. Keep cherry picking, I find it entertaining.

Also, you are making things up with your fun facts. But at least you call them that. Because thats all they are is fun. Once again all of history knows that most of the weapons supplied to Iraq was soviet and French. Funny how you leave that out. As you say. Fun facts. We were taught this in the 9th-12th grade. Its well known.

They were actually quite minor compared to other countries. They basically lifted sanctions, gave them some vehicles and some intelligence.

Yes I do want to get into it. So go ahead. Keep copying things and reading bits and pieces. Its hilarious at best.

 

[lockinlove]

What kind of nonsense is that? Where did anyone say the OIG has to read every detail in the US?

These were memos from no less than the former FBI director that were channeled to the press. Last time i checked, the OIG has a duty to know whats going on in the FBI and how FBI material is handled.

You know thats exactly what you meant when you suggested that they didnt get involved when they had facts readily available to them. They do not usually start investigations on what they read in the media. There usually has to be an official complaint and then if found credible, investigated.


Edit: Damn CM logo accidentally deleted my post when trying to fix the logo. Cant remember all that I wrote but anyways thats the gist of it

 

[lockinlove]

Edit: comey was a hero for all republicans in those last weeks of election. Suddenly he is a zero.

The problem is democrats were included in recommending his dismissal.

He told Trump 3 times he is not being investigated. Trump fires him and not long after he leaks some made up memos etc to his friend to leak to the media in order to get a special counsel after Trump. he is nothing more than a disgruntled former employee

 

[slotplayer]

Seriously.
How many years apart are those two pieces of videotape of her. She looks like she’s about 60 in the second piece. And she’s what 84 now. Time and her party probably changed her mind. As well

you fall for these scare tactics by the nra.

And how convenient that now you care that someone is caught in a lie.

If we were to Cut and edit pieces of tape of trump caught in a lie...we would have hours upon hours of videostape of him lying. Actually someone is counting how many lies he tells. We are up to 3300. Yes someone is wasting their time doing this.

I’m not a fan of diane fienstein cuz I was never a dem before this year..but time for the dems to get new blood. Don’t want to be an ageist....but she’s 84. She needs to retire not run for senate.

I didn't say it was a lie or not a lie. I didn't post any comment or opinion whatsoever, these were all presumed by you, who ever made the video added the headline.

Politicians often soften their position to make some headway but that doesn't mean its their final position. (baby steps).

 

[Harry_BKK]

It doesnt matter if it was strategic or not. It really doesnt. At all. It was still a sign of good will and strategy that was of great importance for Iran in order to compete in the war. Without the airforce, they would have lost. Not ended in a stale mate. Stop making things up to suit your argument. Every history website, book and wikipedia all mention that Israel was of great importance for Iran, if not the most important. Keep cherry picking, I find it entertaining.

Also, you are making things up with your fun facts. But at least you call them that. Because thats all they are is fun. Once again all of history knows that most of the weapons supplied to Iraq was soviet and French. Funny how you leave that out. As you say. Fun facts.

They were actually quite minor compared to other countries. They basically lifted sanctions, gave them some vehicles and some intelligence.

Yes I do want to get into it. So go ahead. Keep copying things and reading bits and pieces. Its hilarious at best.

Really? Strategy doesn't matter in a war? Are you that amateurish or just trying to convince yourself that you are always right?

According to Israeli documents from that time the three reasons for supporting Iran were: selling arms and weapons, getting their feet back into Iran after the Shah was ousted (Iran was seen as the lesser evil compared to Iraq), prevent Iraq conquering all or a part of Iran (Iraq was working on a nuclear bomb at the time, hence a bigger thread to Israel). Nothing even slightly mentions "goodwill" which seems to be your imagination.

At the time, Israel found itself surrounded by hostile countries which led to its strategy to find allies around those countries. Iran was one of the countries just like Turkey or Egypt. Again, nothing to do with "goodwill" but all to do with strategy.

Their air force support was mainly on the ground and a few sorties (after they received the info from the Iranians) bombing Sadam's nuclear reactor. Historians argue whether that changed the outcome but there is no conclusive statement that indeed Israel was "of great importance to Iran". So much for your statement: "Every history website, book and wikipedia all mention that Israel was of great importance for Iran, if not the most important." - really every, every site? Did you read 100,000's of sites/documents just on this topic to confirm that?

Excerpt from an online encyclopedia: "In the air, the advantage was on Iraq's side, and the latter used its superiority in aircraft and missiles to strike at Iran's oil installations, industrial plants, shipping, and cities." - so where was that mighty Israeli air force showing their "good will"?

Well, of course they are fun facts because you can never be sure of the US. One day they support a country, the next they might bomb it at their own will. Fact is, officially the US supported Iraq in the war and blocking continuously UN resolutions against Iraq is not really "minor". After all it was the UN who mediated the cease fire.

Just to keep the fun facts flowing, nobody was actually interested to have a winner in the Iran-Iraq war as they assumed that the winner would become the ruling country in the ME and nobody wanted either of them to be that. But all were very happy to supply weapons to keep it going for nearly a decade.

The only hilarious stuff I can see here are your statements which totally lack profound knowledge of the immensely complex middle east history.

 

[lockinlove]

Democrat AG of NY and long time critic who investigated Trump who clearly showed bias, resigns over accusations from 4 woman he physically beat them and sexually assaulted them. He was also known for his support for the MeToo movement and calling Trump out on being a womanizer.

Your typical hypocrite democrat politician

Sad!

 

[Harry_BKK]

Democrat AG of NY and long time critic who investigated Trump who clearly showed bias, resigns over accusations from 4 woman he physically beat them and sexually assaulted them. He was also known for his support for the MeToo movement and calling Trump out on being a womanizer.

Your typical hypocrite democrat politician

Sad!

At least he has the decency to resign contrary to your idol who has more credible accusations against him and never even thought of resigning.

That purely shows your hypocrisy!

 

[paul7388]

Think its about time this thread got renamed Trump 2 since anything to do with North Korea ended 27 pages ago lol

 

[lockinlove]

Really? Strategy doesn't matter in a war? Are you that amateurish or just trying to convince yourself that you are always right?

According to Israeli documents from that time the three reasons for supporting Iran were: selling arms and weapons, getting their feet back into Iran after the Shah was ousted (Iran was seen as the lesser evil compared to Iraq), prevent Iraq conquering all or a part of Iran (Iraq was working on a nuclear bomb at the time, hence a bigger thread to Israel). Nothing even slightly mentions "goodwill" which seems to be your imagination.

At the time, Israel found itself surrounded by hostile countries which led to its strategy to find allies around those countries. Iran was one of the countries just like Turkey or Egypt. Again, nothing to do with "goodwill" but all to do with strategy.

Their air force support was mainly on the ground and a few sorties (after they received the info from the Iranians) bombing Sadam's nuclear reactor. Historians argue whether that changed the outcome but there is no conclusive statement that indeed Israel was "of great importance to Iran". So much for your statement: "Every history website, book and wikipedia all mention that Israel was of great importance for Iran, if not the most important." - really every, every site?

Excerpt from an online encyclopedia: "In the air, the advantage was on Iraq's side, and the latter used its superiority in aircraft and missiles to strike at Iran's oil installations, industrial plants, shipping, and cities." - so where was that mighty Israeli air force showing their "good will"?

Well, of course they are fun facts because you can never be sure of the US. One day they support a country, the next they might bomb it at their own will. Fact is, officially the US supported Iraq in the war and blocking continuously UN resolutions against Iraq is not really "minor". After all it was the UN who mediated the cease fire.

Just to keep the fun facts flowing, nobody was actually interested to have a winner in the Iran-Iraq war as they assumed that the winner would become the ruling country in the ME and nobody wanted either of them to be that. But all were very happy to supply weapons to keep it going for nearly a decade.

The only hilarious stuff I can see here are your statements which totally lack profound knowledge of the immensely complex middle east history.

Again making stuff up. And this time not being able to read properly. The comment was clearly related to you stating it didnt matter because it was only strategy related. Absolutely no mention or insinuation to being a strategy of war of that I was suggesting anything of the sort. Try following the conversation.

Again. You clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are only googling and reading excerpts as you go. The mention of Israel and airforce was Israel supplying aircraft parts for irans airforce to be able to even operate properly. It had absolutely nothing to do with Israels airforce at all. Anyone who is familiar with history would grasp both the above.

I see no point in arguing with someone who has no absolutely no idea what the conversation is even about. Your comments are all over the place. You cherry picking events in history. Being completely sporadic. You do better googling politics. The middle east, not so much.

Also, the statement "totally lack profound knowledge of the immensely complex" Makes absolutely no sense. Now it seems you are trying to use big words you dont even understand.

 

[lockinlove]

At least he has the decency to resign contrary to your idol who has more credible accusations against him and never even thought of resigning.

That purely shows your hypocrisy!

yeah he resigned out of decency. Do you believe half the stuff you say?

Trump has more credible accusations more serious than beating and sexually abusing woman?

Maybe someone who is guilty resigns?

 

[lockinlove]

Think its about time this thread got renamed Trump 2 since anything to do with North Korea ended 27 pages ago lol

It was always Trump 2. As soon as the first word in the title was written. I never thought otherwise. I think some people enjoy sitting back and watch all the arguing. I tried to stay out but sometimes you get reeled in by fake news

 

[paul7388]

It was always Trump 2. As soon as the first word in the title was written. I never thought otherwise. I think some people enjoy sitting back and watch all the arguing. I tried to stay out but sometimes you get reeled in by fake news

Lol i just read these threads rarely comment.

You know what they say two's company three's a crowd. And i am not going to come between you and Harry lol

 

[slotplayer]

It was always Trump 2. As soon as the first word in the title was written. I never thought otherwise. I think some people enjoy sitting back and watch all the arguing. I tried to stay out but sometimes you get reeled in by fake news

Its only a few that keep making it about Trump persona. They have nothing else. Media as well.

Stormy Daniels was a one nighter and it garnished all that coverage? Do I have that right?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Again making stuff up. And this time not being able to read properly. The comment was clearly related to you stating it didnt matter because it was only strategy related. Absolutely no mention or insinuation to being a strategy of war of that I was suggesting anything of the sort. Try following the conversation.

Again. You clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are only googling and reading excerpts as you go. The mention of Israel and airforce was Israel supplying aircraft parts for irans airforce to be able to even operate properly. It had absolutely nothing to do with Israels airforce at all. Anyone who is familiar with history would grasp both the above.

I see no point in arguing with someone who has no absolutely no idea what the conversation is even about. Your comments are all over the place. You cherry picking events in history. Being completely sporadic. You do better googling politics. The middle east, not so much.

Also, the statement "totally lack profound knowledge of the immensely complex" Makes absolutely no sense. Now it seems you are trying to use big words you dont even understand.

Let me help you with that since it seems you need everything to be written in simple English: "totally lack profound knowledge of the immensely complex"

totally = completely
lack = deficiency, absence, shortfall, in simple words not enough of something
knowledge = the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject
immensely = highly, extremely
complex = complicated

Got it?

As for your Israel comment. The Iranians were rather defunct of air support, hence why they launched their attacks mostly with foot soldiers and artillery, never gaining any significant ground and mostly ending in a stalemate and heavy casualties. Was also one of the main reasons why they accepted the cease fire. So if Israel was so great supplying them the parts, where was then the air force when they needed it? Can't have been that great!

 

[lockinlove]

Let me help you with that since it seems you need everything to be written in simple English: "totally lack profound knowledge of the immensely complex"

totally = completely
lack = deficiency, absence, shortfall, in simple words not enough of something
knowledge = the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject
immensely = highly, extremely
complex = complicated

Got it?

As for your Israel comment. The Iranians were rather defunct of air support, hence why they launched their attacks mostly with foot soldiers and artillery, never gaining any significant ground and mostly ending in a stalemate. Was also one of the main reasons why they accepted the cease fire. So if Israel was so great supplying them the parts, where was then the air force when they needed it? Can't have been that great!

Its basically a paradox Harry lol.

So you are arguing history then to fit your own agenda once again? I just did a quick google search to see where its listed and the very first result

And then this. But yep, carry on with your fun facts.