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[dionysus]

well

that was a shit-show
going to read some of news commentaries post-debate

 

[sufferinsilence]

That was something else indeed. I don't have words for it right now.

 

[Kroffe]

Why dont they shut off the mic of the person not speaking?
A little bit very annoying when Trump cant keep his cookiehole closed while Biden is talking.

 

[mack341]

After posting in here for two odd years on Trump etc...I slept through and missed it ...Now I'm awake I watched about 3 mins, and decided for my sanity to turn it off

Far easier to read the views on twitter, overall the verdict I deduce is the moderator was not impartial, [as expected wallace hates trump] and the debate was a scrappy draw.

Joe did better than expected I feel [cognitively] but on the bits I saw he kept looking down as if he was reading notes?

 

[sufferinsilence]

Why dont they shut off the mic of the person not speaking?
A little bit very annoying when Trump cant keep his cookiehole closed while Biden is talking.

That was Trump's whole tactic for this debate: disrupt and try to frustrate Biden. Which worked because Biden called him a clown and told him to shut up throughout the "debate".

The most disturbing part is at the end when Trump doesn't want to denounce white supremacy and tells far right militia Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by".

And this was disgusting:
Biden: "My son was in Iraq. He spent a year there ... He was not a loser. He was a patriot. And the people left behind there were heroes."
Trump: Really? Are you talking about Hunter?
Biden: "I'm talking about my son Beau Biden.
Trump: "I don't know Beau. I know Hunter."

Nobody should be able to defend Trump after this.

 

[sufferinsilence]

After posting in here for two odd years on Trump etc...I slept through and missed it ...Now I'm awake I watched about 3 mins, and decided for my sanity to turn it off

Far easier to read the views on twitter, overall the verdict I deduce is the moderator was not impartial, [as expected wallace hates trump] and the debate was a scrappy draw.

Joe did better than expected I feel [cognitively] but on the bits I saw he kept looking down as if he was reading notes?

Chris Wallace had a hard time moderating Trump, they were at some points debating eachother instead of Trump versus Biden... It's not a fact of Wallace hating Trump but Trump just wanting to be the schoolyard bully always having the last word and not accepting anyone else's opinion. It took Wallace about 75 minutes to remind Trump about the rules which he agreed to before the debate so it's kinda cheap to say Wallace wasn't impartial throughout.

Biden wrote down some notes, which is allowed, but I don't think the looking down was reading notes all the time.

 

[mack341]

Wallace ask Biden “would you pack the court?”
Biden “I want all of you to go out and vote”.
Trump, “answer question”.
Joe "I’m not going to answer”
Trump, “make him answer”
Chris “no, no. I have another question”.
Another example Chris Wallace is running interference for Biden

Seems like it’s the Chris Wallace/Biden vs. Trump debate...Chris kept feeding the numbers and facts to Biden that he can’t remember!

Biden, “the green new deal will pay for itself”
Chris Wallace, “do you support the green new deal?”
Biden, “No!”

 

[mack341]

This is not moderating 'you signed a largely largely symbolic executive order...5 days before this debate'
that's something for Joe to come up with and say to the watching audience.

 

[sufferinsilence]

 

[TheAddict]

Wallace did seem to be tickling joes butthole, intervening or completely ending 1 or 3 good points Don mentioned, so Biden didn't have to answer.
Other than that, apparantly joe was lying about everything, and so was Don . hahaha

 

[sufferinsilence]

Wallace ask Biden “would you pack the court?”
Biden “I want all of you to go out and vote”.
Trump, “answer question”.
Joe "I’m not going to answer”
Trump, “make him answer”
Chris “no, no. I have another question”.
Another example Chris Wallace is running interference for Biden

Seems like it’s the Chris Wallace/Biden vs. Trump debate...Chris kept feeding the numbers and facts to Biden that he can’t remember!

Biden, “the green new deal will pay for itself”
Chris Wallace, “do you support the green new deal?”
Biden, “No!”

As if Trump was replying to questions (directly)

 

[sufferinsilence]

Wallace did seem to be tickling joes butthole, intervening or completely ending 1 or 3 good points Don mentioned, so Biden didn't have to answer.
Other than that, apparantly joe was lying about everything, and so was Don . hahaha

It wasn't a debate, it was a circus. Wolf Blitzer said afterwards: "this might've been the only time these two have met before the election". And that wouldn't surprise me to be honest.

 

[mack341]

 

[ladyhawke]

Jonathan V. Last: "Who won? I don’t know. Honestly: I cannot understand how anyone with an IQ over 80 could have watched this disgrace and not come away understanding that the president of the United States is a sociopath. [...] I can, however, tell you with complete certainty who lost the debate: America.."

William Kristol: "Tuesday’s debate in Cleveland was a disgrace because of the behavior of one man, Donald Trump. The interrupting and the bullying, the absence of both decency and dignity—those were Donald Trump’s distinctive contributions to the evening, and they gave the affair the rare and sickening character of a national humiliation."

Jake Tapper: "That was a hot mess, inside a dumpster fire, inside a train wreck. [Trump] was his own tweets come to life. We’ll talk about who won the debate, who lost the debate … One thing for sure, the American people lost.”

I think the most pertinent comment in the entire debate was from Biden: "Under this president, we've become weaker, sicker, poorer, more divided and more violent."

 

[geordiecolin]

Fair play to Bidden. He demonstrated that he is still with it enough to face court and spend time in prison if they decide to prosecute

 

[dionysus]

It wasn't a debate, it was a circus. Wolf Blitzer said afterwards: "this might've been the only time these two have met before the election". And that wouldn't surprise me to be honest.

Yup.
Joe shouldnt have called him a clown
After all it's the ringleader gets everyone all stirred up at the circus

 

[mack341]

Since posting earlier I've watched the sky news highlights [about 7 mins] Trump was certainly being bombastic and talking over/interrupting Joe in the clips, might have shot himself in the foot with some undecided voters.

But if Trump wins again it won't have been because of this debate, it'll likely be due to a fear of the democrats, same as in the uk with fear of labour.

I think pence and kamala debate each other on the 7th oct, that could be more interesting, with greater detail on policy.

 

[dionysus]

The whole thing was an utter shambles and less to do with actual debate than it did poo-flinging which is a real shame it wasnt about addressing the audience and discussing platforms on what makes them the best candidate.

Sure, one would hope for 'good tv' - clever retorts, smart responses.

But really, most people I know expected it to be a popcorn-viewing show ...and it was

 

[sufferinsilence]

Since posting earlier I've watched the sky news highlights [about 7 mins] Trump was certainly being bombastic and talking over/interrupting Joe in the clips, might have shot himself in the foot with some undecided voters.

But if Trump wins again it won't have been because of this debate, it'll likely be due to a fear of the democrats, same as in the uk with fear of labour.

I think pence and kamala debate each other on the 7th oct, that could be more interesting, with greater detail on policy.

Yes, next Tuesday we'll have the VP debate and as you say it could be more interesting and, who knows, more important for some undecided voters. Even tho Pence is very conservative atleast he can have a serene debate and no doubt Harris can debate being a former attorney

 

[sufferinsilence]

 

[Borgie]

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[Mouche12]

Apart from the interruptions, mudslinging, and shouting (from all sides), Trump telling the white supremacist group Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by" is truly shocking and unprecedented in the recent history of the USA. There are some extreme right-wing politicians in Europe, but I've never heard a PM or president of one of our civilized countries addressing these kinds of groups in such a shameful way.

 

[cncas2123]

Apart from the interruptions, mudslinging, and shouting (from all sides), Trump telling the white supremacist group Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by" is truly shocking and unprecedented in the recent history of the USA. There are some extreme right-wing politicians in Europe, but I've never heard a PM or president of one of our civilized countries addressing these kinds of groups in such a shameful way.

Trump isnt a politician, he isnt a diplomat, he is nothing morw than a bullying old man and he showed that again last night.
He is trying every stunt that he can to keep his hands on power and the reason for that was made clear by the NY Times story on his finances - he has a couple of years to find 300 million dollars or hes going to be bankrupted for the umpteenth time, and if he is still president its less likely to happen.
From what I saw Joe Biden did remarkably well to keep his head and he showed Trump up for the buffoon he is.

 

[dionysus]

FWIW I'm not gushing over Biden; its more a pick of least likely to burn the country down....much rather there were more contenders and these simply werent drawn along party lines but rather who's fit to run a leading, first world country.

But geez, if you plan on representing the people, youd think...people skills are a bit of a must-have; Trump exudes too much 'me-centric' and 'those that are like me'

 

[cncas2123]

FWIW I'm not gushing over Biden; its more a pick of least likely to burn the country down....much rather there were more contenders and these simply werent drawn along party lines but rather who's fit to run a leading, first world country.

But geez, if you plan on representing the people, youd think...people skills are a bit of a must-have; Trump exudes too much 'me-centric' and 'those that are like me'

Agree with you on Biden, and theres no doubt hes only there as a transitional President, but it says a lot about how bad the Trump presidency has been when so many people are willing to vote and support Biden in the hope they can get rid of Trump.

 

[dionysus]

Agree with you on Biden, and theres no doubt hes only there as a transitional President, but it says a lot about how bad the Trump presidency has been when so many people are willing to vote and support Biden in the hope they can get rid of Trump.

that's it in a nutshell.
It really sint much for-Biden but rather gods-not-Trump.

And while (hopefully) noone is wishing Biden drop of a stroke, it's very much more the hopeful of the VP taking the slot.

(and granted, Biden has some fair views but.....what, 45-55 yr old people can't take the reigns?)

 

[dionysus]

I've said it before....but..politics (IMO) would work so much better if you took the politics out.

Elect a qualified, intelligent person interested in representing the people, help make the divisive cohesive (as best able) and work to represent the WHOLE than those follow your party-line

Yeah, it makes me sound like that ewww socialist (I AM Canadian lol).
But there really IS middle ground - you cant please everyone but you CAN try to make it work for MOST

 

[Kroffe]

that's it in a nutshell.
It really sint much for-Biden but rather gods-not-Trump.

And while (hopefully) noone is wishing Biden drop of a stroke, it's very much more the hopeful of the VP taking the slot.

(and granted, Biden has some fair views but.....what, 45-55 yr old people can't take the reigns?)

Wait, are they older than that?
I thought Biden was like 46-47ish, but you are saying hes older than that?

How old do people get?
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[dionysus]

Wait, are they older than that?
I thought Biden was like 46-47ish, but you are saying hes older than that?

How old do people get?
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once 40 it all hurts - youre closer than you want to admit

 

[sufferinsilence]

FWIW I'm not gushing over Biden; its more a pick of least likely to burn the country down....much rather there were more contenders and these simply werent drawn along party lines but rather who's fit to run a leading, first world country.

But geez, if you plan on representing the people, youd think...people skills are a bit of a must-have; Trump exudes too much 'me-centric' and 'those that are like me'

Was talking to an American friend this morning after the debate and he said: if undecided voters voted for Trump in 2016 because he was the best of 2 shitty candidates and they follow through on their logic then Biden should win this one in a landslide.
He didn't vote in 2016 because he didn't like Hillary and is a Sanders fan but now he has already voted by mail-in ballot for Biden. I think there might be alot of people like that now.

The number of mail-in ballots returned at this point in comparison to 2016 is something else: 1 million vs 9500

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[dionysus]

Honestly, I cant call it (who wins)...at a guess? Biden by a small margin

 

[cncas2123]

Honestly, I cant call it (who wins)...at a guess? Biden by a small margin

And if thats the case then it will be off to the courts for a few years...

 

[sufferinsilence]

Honestly, I cant call it (who wins)...at a guess? Biden by a small margin

I'm still going with 50/50. You never know and the polls can be misleading even though they weren't THAT wrong in 2016: in the end Clinton only lost on a couple of thousand votes in the swingstates. Clinton also never had this big a margin and it fluctuated alot more throughout, Biden has been holding a steady lead over Trump even after the SCOTUS nomination by Trump.

 

[dionysus]

And if thats the case then it will be off to the courts for a few years...

Case, perhaps.
constitutionally, he'd still be escorted out as Pelosi steps in

 

[dionysus]

As mentioned, the debate probably will have little impact on those that choose their preferred contender based on party-lines/ideologies.


But the shame of it all is, not everyone is internet-savvy and cant read both sides, analyses, after the fact save for their preferred news network or preferred newspaper.

The debate SHOULD have been an exercise to look into both candidates' platforms and goals

 

[Kroffe]

once 40 it all hurts - youre closer than you want to admit

Dont remind me.
I almost tripped while out walking earlier today.
Luckily i didnt, and my hip lives to see another day, but it really makes you appreciate life when things like that happen.
Next time maybe i wont be so lucky, and all theres left to do is roll down in the nearest ditch.

Made me think about this song i found in my grandpas vinyl collection.
YOLO so you better be careful and appreciate the small things.

 

[pinnit2014]

For my sins, i watched that debate. Sorta like watching a terrible football team (Trump) against a team who some think should win (Biden) but yet there's the nagging feeling they'll upset the odds cos of the others' ineptitude.

Bet my bottom D that Trump will sneak it come the tail end of the year - there's literally no enthusiasm about Biden and, quite frankly, if you can't finish Trump off after a period of riots/division and Christ knows what not, then then you don't deserve it tbh.

Trump could literally maim someone on live telly and i think he'd have a half decent chance of re-election. What that says about society, or how crap his opposition are, is another thing.

 

[mina1929]

I also watched the debate and I was so entertained

Joe Biden is 77 yrs old and Trump is 74

I hope when I get to that age I still have my marbles lol

 

[pinnit2014]

I also watched the debate and I was so entertained

Joe Biden is 77 yrs old and Trump is 74

I hope when I get to that age I still have my marbles lol

That puts you as prime candidate to be the first female President cos, based on that the other night, neither Biden nor Trump have any marbles left.

I trust you'll listen to the Bonanza lobbyists.

 

[Kroffe]

When electing a leader the choice should be difficult because all parties involved have so many great ideas, but instead it always seems to come down to trying to choose the lesser of two evils.

Seems to be the same everywhere.
Anyway, politics drool and nature documentaries rule!

 

[geordiecolin]

Was talking to an American friend this morning after the debate and he said: if undecided voters voted for Trump in 2016 because he was the best of 2 shitty candidates and they follow through on their logic then Biden should win this one in a landslide.
He didn't vote in 2016 because he didn't like Hillary and is a Sanders fan but now he has already voted by mail-in ballot for Biden. I think there might be alot of people like that now.

The number of mail-in ballots returned at this point in comparison to 2016 is something else: 1 million vs 9500

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They have even got them on tape handing cash over. The shit is going to hit the fan

 

[sufferinsilence]

They have even got them on tape handing cash over. The shit is going to hit the fan

Don't bother, Trump already conceded

 

[sufferinsilence]

 

[ladyhawke]

In 2016, Trump was elected president for a variety of reasons. Some of his campaign promises were:

• Placing American people and American values first
• Promoting an inclusive, patriotic message that extended to Americans of all ages, races, and backgrounds

People in turn voted for Trump as:

• They were seeking a change from career politicians
• Fed up with immigrants taking local jobs
• Wanted an end to globalisation
• Deep seated hatred of Hillary Clinton (particularly regarding Benghazi)
• Middle America - especially non-college educated men and women, felt ignored.
• Trump was a successful businessman, and possessed leadership capabilities, which were viewed as essential skills for a President.

The reality? The USA of today. A divided, divisive nation. Overseen by a President who himself is a divisive figure.

So if the USA re-elects Trump, then they really will deserve everything they get. And I personally think the world will wash their hands of the USA, and relegate the country to no more than a bit-player on the World stage.

 

[mina1929]

That puts you as prime candidate to be the first female President cos, based on that the other night, neither Biden nor Trump have any marbles left.

I trust you'll listen to the Bonanza lobbyists.

I would be the best President ever

 

[ladyhawke]

y

I would be the best President ever

You are such a lovely person, if you were President I reckon you 'could teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.' So c'mon, start campaigning.

 

[Steviedoo]

Trump being tested for coronavirus...

hope hicks tested positive...

 

[sufferinsilence]

Trump being tested for coronavirus...

hope hicks tested positive...

 

[Kroffe]

y


You are such a lovely person, if you were President I reckon you 'could teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.' So c'mon, start campaigning.