North Korea and US politics

[Steviedoo]

trump says he will not partake in any debates...I think his team is scared....might be medical issues, might memory ...who knows...

 

[sufferinsilence]

trump says he will not partake in any debates...I think his team is scared....might be medical issues, might memory ...who knows...

Is that even allowed he skips all presidential debates? If I was a Trump-supporter I'd see this as a weakness rather than strength but... most of the Cult aren't very logical.

 

[Steviedoo]

Is that even allowed he skips all presidential debates? If I was a Trump-supporter I'd see this as a weakness rather than strength but... most of the Cult aren't very logical.

they are not mandatory ...

pretty sure he would say it was rigged so he’s skipping them...

ah...just checked...indeed....he will skip the debates because he wants fair moderators....

 

[sufferinsilence]

What's fair in his eyes tho? Only debates moderated by people from Fox News and OANN?

Has any incumbent president done this before?

 

[mack341]

That would be a first wouldn't it, no presidential debate against the democratic nomination. I could perhaps understand it if that was going to be Biden, as there might be too much ill will between the two, too much baggage. Then again he has some baggage with warren re the pocahontas stuff...bernie vs trump would be must watch tv.

I think he might change his mind later on re this, and he'll spin it in his favour, to show that he's flexible, owes it to the american people etc...

Edit: Did Obama debate Romney on tv in 2013 I wonder?

 

[goatwack]

Could you imagine a Biden vs Trump live debate, it'd be like grandpa Simpson against the Crypt Keeper, with constant "Huh? Speak up!" as their hearing aids wane.

Winner not only gets presidency but a cup of cocoa & bed time story

 

[sufferinsilence]

That would be a first wouldn't it, no presidential debate against the democratic nomination. I could perhaps understand it if that was going to be Biden, as there might be too much ill will between the two, too much baggage. Then again he has some baggage with warren re the pocahontas stuff...bernie vs trump would be must watch tv.

I think he might change his mind later on re this, and he'll spin it in his favour, to show that he's flexible, owes it to the american people etc...

Edit: Did Obama debate Romney on tv in 2013 I wonder?

2012 you mean? Yeah they had 3 debates.

 

[Playford7]

Even if that's true and this impeachment thing really helps Trump...there's still 9 months to go before the election. There's plenty of time for Trump to do things and I'm pretty sure those things won't give him the nobel peace prize.

Have you seen who won that prize in the past?

 

[goatwack]

Even Roshtein's won it at least twice

 

[Playford7]

trump says he will not partake in any debates...I think his team is scared....might be medical issues, might memory ...who knows...

He doesn’t have to. Will win by a country mile.
Leftism, sjw and pc bullshit is being rejected massively.
The democrats make labour look sane and that’s some feat...

 

[sufferinsilence]

Found this article explaining the situation a bit more:

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[Harry_BKK]

Re presidential debates - Mr T is a chicken, nothing else and is looking already now for excuses. He was OK in 2016 because first, he had a woman as a competitor (I doubt he would have had the guts to walk behind a male candidate as he did in the famous scene with Hillary) and he had his chants. In all the debates, he had nothing of essence to say, nada, not a shred.

In the latest news, please welcome the next lying coffee boy to the choir of Ex-Mr T sycophants - John Bolton is suddenly a liar, grandstander, etc. Who knew!

Next on the soon-to-be admitted ever-increasing waiting list: Ruuuuudy!

 

[Harry_BKK]

@mack341

Did you see the presentation of the deal of the century? Mr T finally revealed Sunnyboy's genius plan for ME-peace, cooked up without talking to the Palestinians. It is as expected heavily skewed in favour of the Israelis and in blatant disregard of international law and UN resolutions. In essence, a crooked deal cooked up by crooks, so no real surprise.

Sunnyboy has then the audacity to say that the Palestinians have "blown all chances" until now to sign a deal. Question is what deals is he talking about because I can't remember any of the proposals in the past to have been even in the slightest acceptable for the Palestinians.

BTW, no one reacted really positively to the plan except the Saudis (MBS applauding) and your PM. Boris spoke to Mr T before the announcement and happily obliged to "kowtow" to the "Chosen One".

If that is how he will deal with the US in the future, then get ready for "chlorine chicken" and other "niceties" from the US.

 

[goatwack]

I'm confused now. Is Sunnyboy Mr.T? And is Mr.T 'Trump' or the big fella from the A-Team with the bling?

Or is Sunnyboy someone unrelated to the aforementioned, and either a) tans a lot or b) of a happy disposition?

I don't even think he's a boy truth be told

 

[Harry_BKK]

I'm confused now. Is Sunnyboy Mr.T? And is Mr.T 'Trump' or the big fella from the A-Team with the bling?

Or is Sunnyboy someone unrelated to the aforementioned, and either a) tans a lot or b) of a happy disposition?

I don't even think he's a boy truth be told

Sunnyboy = Jaaaaared!

Edited the post!

 

[mack341]

@mack341

Did you see the presentation of the deal of the century? Sunnyboy finally revealed his genius plan for ME-peace, cooked up without talking to the Palestinians. It is as expected heavily skewed in favour of the Israelis and in blatant disregard of international law and UN resolutions. In essence, a crooked deal cooked up by crooks, so no real surprise.

Sunnyboy has then the audacity to say that the Palestinians have "blown all chances" until now to sign a deal. Question is what deals is he talking about because I can't remember any of the proposals in the past to have been even in the slightest acceptable for the Palestinians.

BTW, no one reacted really positively to the plan except the Saudis (MBS applauding) and your PM. He spoke to Mr T before the announcement and happily obliged to "kowtow" to the "Chosen One".

If that is how he will deal with the US in the future, then get ready for "chlorine chicken" and other "niceties" from the US.

I know it's a joke, what do the palestinians actually get, I looked on the bbc article but I couldn't tell.
The uk govt and powerful organisations like the bbc, play down the international law and UN resolutions aspect as if it's a contentious and widely disputed grey area. So sadly it's no surprise to me Boris is brown nosing on this subject.

I think in the original agreement, the balfour declaration, there was something about protecting the rights of existing inhabitants:

"...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine "

That didn't really count for much in the end.

Trump will be around till 2024 I guess, so even if boris thought the deal was lopsided, there's no way he can afford to anger Trump on this 'great' deal he wants to boast about.

It is a tricky subject to discuss, but the 'deal' is not going to be acceptable to one side, while the other side are over the moon with it. Some independent genius brinkman Trump turned out not to be

 

[Harry_BKK]

I know it's a joke, what do the palestinians actually get, I looked on the bbc article but I couldn't tell.
The uk govt and powerful organisations like the bbc, play down the international law and UN resolutions aspect as if it's a contentious and widely disputed grey area. So sadly it's no surprise to me Boris is brown nosing on this subject.

I think in the original agreement, the balfour declaration, there was something about protecting the rights of existing inhabitants:

"...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine "

That didn't really count for much in the end.

Trump will be around till 2024 I guess, so even if boris thought the deal was lopsided, there's no way he can afford to anger Trump on this 'great' deal he wants to boast about.

It is a tricky subject to discuss, but the 'deal' is not going to be acceptable to one side, while the other side are over the moon with it. Some independent genius brinkman Trump turned out not to be

One example of what they would be getting.

The Palestinians insist on East Jerusalem to be their capital, so a good chunk of the city. Comparing that to London, Mr T and Sunnyboy are offering Slough instead.

Just completely delusional. Plus, Palestine has to demilitarize, Israel is going to guard the borders, Israel can annex the occupied territories (the UN declared it illegal), no real mention of the refugess and other nonsense only Jaaaaaared can cook up to please his Jewish friends.

 

[mack341]

Just watched sunnyboy's cnn interview with C. Amanpour...oh dear is all I can politely say... let's hope the european politicians and leaders etc.. can show some backbone and come up with an alternative plan that both sides could agree and is fair as much as possible.

Jared Kushner, senior adviser to the President, says the White House's Middle East plan is "a great deal" and if Palestinians reject it, “they’re going to screw up another opportunity, like they’ve screwed up every other opportunity that they’ve ever had in their existence.” [CNN]

No independent peacemaker or sensible adult would talk in this way, no wonder he and Trump get on so well

 

[sufferinsilence]

Anyone else looking forward to the State of the Union address tonight?

Let me share a nice vid as a warm-up

 

[mack341]

It has to be said Trump's superbowl ads weren't that bad, he seems to have a better grasp of domestic politics than international.

Strange what's gone in the democratic caucus in Iowa, and why did bloomberg sit it out, is he scared the voters wouldn't support him, seems an odd way of carrying on almost like saying 'you don't matter'

I doubt Trump sat out any of the republican primaries, I can't remember him doing that anyway

 

[vorcirion]

It has to be said Trump's superbowl ads weren't that bad, he seems to have a better grasp of domestic politics than international.

Strange what's gone in the democratic caucus in Iowa, and why did bloomberg sit it out, is he scared the voters wouldn't support him, seems an odd way of carrying on almost like saying 'you don't matter'

I doubt Trump sat out any of the republican primaries, I can't remember him doing that anyway

Bloomberg entered the race so late so he just missed the deadlines to register for those early states. There's no benefit from sitting out of them. I hope he doesn't get the nomination anyway.

But yeah I don't understand US's voting system. Why is it so hard for them to get the basic things right?

 

[vorcirion]

Actually screw that. Bloomberg could be decent enough candidate against Trump too. An actual billionaire who can troll Trump pretty hard. Interesting to see how things go now!

 

[mack341]

Surely not skeletor, I highly doubt bernie or warren voters would put a cross by mike bloomberg's name.

He can't successfully run as a rino republican within the democratic primary system, that's what he is really:

"Michael Bloomberg served as mayor of New York City for three terms, 2002 to 2013. Even though he was a lifelong registered Democrat, Michael Bloomberg successfully ran for mayor as a Republican in 2001 due in large part to the support of popular outgoing mayor Rudy Giuliani, and was reelected in 2005.

He ran for a third term in 2009 as an independent, spending a record-breaking sum—the equivalent of $174.53 per vote (more than ten times his competitor). Michael Bloomberg is also one of the richest people in the world according to Forbes magazine, with an estimated net worth of $17 billion"

 

[vorcirion]

Surely not skeletor, I highly doubt bernie or warren voters would put a cross by mike bloomberg's name.

He can't successfully run as a rino republican within the democratic primary system, that's what he is really:

"Michael Bloomberg served as mayor of New York City for three terms, 2002 to 2013. Even though he was a lifelong registered Democrat, Michael Bloomberg successfully ran for mayor as a Republican in 2001 due in large part to the support of popular outgoing mayor Rudy Giuliani, and was reelected in 2005.

He ran for a third term in 2009 as an independent, spending a record-breaking sum—the equivalent of $174.53 per vote (more than ten times his competitor). Michael Bloomberg is also one of the richest people in the world according to Forbes magazine, with an estimated net worth of $17 billion"

I'm pretty sure everyone will rally behind the one who gets the nomination. Trump is just so bad option for all democrats. Not only because of his personality...but also because of his policies (foreign and domestic).

 

[paul7388]

Don't follow American politics but this one is at least not a coffin dodger lol.