North Korea and US politics

[vorcirion]

That would probably be a libel case and not something you go to jail for, but the free speech laws in the US are different to here, for example they can discuss ongoing trials I believe, and OJ was often accused of killing his ex wife even after being acquitted.

I wonder whether anyone in the US does think about this woman's death, if not then surely a big blunder by trump that will cost him votes.

Only Trump's supporters might think something about it. For everyone else it's a case closed long time ago. But that's the problem...his supporters are the most idiotic, insane people there are. When Trump does these things...people start acting 'cause of it. I'm pretty sure Joe Scarborough will get many death threats now and I'm sure there are couple of trumpsters who would happily attack Joe or even kill him 'cause of it.

Do you understand that this isn't something to do with election and who wins or not? This is something to do with people's lives. Widower's and Joe's.

Free speech my ass.

 

[sufferinsilence]

epstein's case isn't that cold and far more suspicious why doesn't trump reopen that one...

Because he is deeply connected to Epstein. Why ask a question you know the answer to

 

[mack341]

well the wikipedia text on the death looks like it has been changed, considerably shortened, found this version on reddit:

On July 20, 2001, Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old aide to Scarborough, was found dead in his Fort Walton Beach office by a couple who had an appointment with the Congressman that morning, arranged by Klausutis. According to Scarborough, soon after her death, allegations "spread all over the Internet" that he had been involved.[16] Controversy regarding the medical examiner and his reports, and Scarborough's announcement two months earlier that he would be resigning his newly-won Congressional seat in mid-term, contributed to the speculation.

The medical examiner, Dr. Michael Berkland, had been fired from a job in Missouri for failing to complete autopsy reports, and had his Missouri medical license revoked for six years; he was later dismissed from his Florida Medical Examiner position, again for failing to complete reports. Initital reports stating that there was no sign of trauma to Klausutis were followed by reports of a scratch and a bruise on her head, which were followed in turn by reports of two fractures and a contra-coup head injury; Berkland's explanation for the different versions was, "the last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury." Berkland's ultimate determination was that Klausutis had an undiagnosed heart problem which caused her to faint and hit her head on the edge of the desk, fracturing her skull.[17]

In 2003, Scarborough joked with Don Imus about speculations regarding Klausutis's death on Imus' radio program,[18] and, in 2004, it was the subject of a public spat between Scarborough and filmmaker Michael Moore.[19] Moore accused Scarborough of wrongdoing, even though Scarborough was in his Washington, DC office at the time of his aide's death.

If that last bit is true, the spat with moore over it, I find that odd and intriguing, but I can't find much so far about the details.

This is the problem with the internet articles just get memory holed at the push of a button, don't know if the wayback machine is any good.

 

[vorcirion]

well the wikipedia text on the death looks like it has been changed, considerably shortened, found this version on reddit:

On July 20, 2001, Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old aide to Scarborough, was found dead in his Fort Walton Beach office by a couple who had an appointment with the Congressman that morning, arranged by Klausutis. According to Scarborough, soon after her death, allegations "spread all over the Internet" that he had been involved.[16] Controversy regarding the medical examiner and his reports, and Scarborough's announcement two months earlier that he would be resigning his newly-won Congressional seat in mid-term, contributed to the speculation.

The medical examiner, Dr. Michael Berkland, had been fired from a job in Missouri for failing to complete autopsy reports, and had his Missouri medical license revoked for six years; he was later dismissed from his Florida Medical Examiner position, again for failing to complete reports. Initital reports stating that there was no sign of trauma to Klausutis were followed by reports of a scratch and a bruise on her head, which were followed in turn by reports of two fractures and a contra-coup head injury; Berkland's explanation for the different versions was, "the last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury." Berkland's ultimate determination was that Klausutis had an undiagnosed heart problem which caused her to faint and hit her head on the edge of the desk, fracturing her skull.[17]

In 2003, Scarborough joked with Don Imus about speculations regarding Klausutis's death on Imus' radio program,[18] and, in 2004, it was the subject of a public spat between Scarborough and filmmaker Michael Moore.[19] Moore accused Scarborough of wrongdoing, even though Scarborough was in his Washington, DC office at the time of his aide's death.

If that last bit is true, the spat with moore over it, I find that odd and intriguing, but I can't find much so far about the details.

This is the problem with the internet articles just get memory holed at the push of a button, don't know if the wayback machine is any good.

You're obviously missing the point. Do you even care about the widower or Joe?

 

[sufferinsilence]

well the wikipedia text on the death looks like it has been changed, considerably shortened, found this version on reddit:

On July 20, 2001, Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old aide to Scarborough, was found dead in his Fort Walton Beach office by a couple who had an appointment with the Congressman that morning, arranged by Klausutis. According to Scarborough, soon after her death, allegations "spread all over the Internet" that he had been involved.[16] Controversy regarding the medical examiner and his reports, and Scarborough's announcement two months earlier that he would be resigning his newly-won Congressional seat in mid-term, contributed to the speculation.

The medical examiner, Dr. Michael Berkland, had been fired from a job in Missouri for failing to complete autopsy reports, and had his Missouri medical license revoked for six years; he was later dismissed from his Florida Medical Examiner position, again for failing to complete reports. Initital reports stating that there was no sign of trauma to Klausutis were followed by reports of a scratch and a bruise on her head, which were followed in turn by reports of two fractures and a contra-coup head injury; Berkland's explanation for the different versions was, "the last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury." Berkland's ultimate determination was that Klausutis had an undiagnosed heart problem which caused her to faint and hit her head on the edge of the desk, fracturing her skull.[17]

In 2003, Scarborough joked with Don Imus about speculations regarding Klausutis's death on Imus' radio program,[18] and, in 2004, it was the subject of a public spat between Scarborough and filmmaker Michael Moore.[19] Moore accused Scarborough of wrongdoing, even though Scarborough was in his Washington, DC office at the time of his aide's death.

If that last bit is true, the spat with moore over it, I find that odd and intriguing, but I can't find much so far about the details.

This is the problem with the internet articles just get memory holed at the push of a button, don't know if the wayback machine is any good.

If it happened while Scarborough was in DC, how could he be involved then?

Anyway, the widower of Lori Klausutis basically asks for everyone to leave it alone. If that isn't enough, I don't know anymore.

 

[mack341]

You're obviously missing the point. Do you even care about the widower or Joe?

mate they are not going to be affected by me posting what I have, joe was in washington dc but maybe somebody else was involved. There are a lot of strange deaths in the US, one site I did read mentioned in alabama [which isn't far] there were a lot of mysterious deaths in a short period.

Anyway there is nothing on the internet about the case from the time, as far as I can see, so there is nothing more I will say about it.

 

[mack341]

Only Trump's supporters might think something about it. For everyone else it's a case closed long time ago. But that's the problem...his supporters are the most idiotic, insane people there are. When Trump does these things...people start acting 'cause of it. I'm pretty sure Joe Scarborough will get many death threats now and I'm sure there are couple of trumpsters who would happily attack Joe or even kill him 'cause of it.

Do you understand that this isn't something to do with election and who wins or not? This is something to do with people's lives. Widower's and Joe's.

Free speech my ass.

has there been any other cases of 'trumpsters' trying to kill somebody donald has mentioned in unflattering terms or accused of something ?

 

[ladyhawke]

The video is a couple of tweets down.

So @mack341 finds this funny?

It isn't. Not even close.

Quite simply, just a very, very nasty travesty of a pretence at irony or satire. And to think this is from the President of the USA.

@cncas2123 was spot on.

I am struggling to think of any leader of any country, past or present, who has brought such embarrassment to their office in the way that Trump has brought to the office of President of America.
Just which part of this is making America great again? More like dragging it into the gutter.

 

[ladyhawke]

has there been any other cases of 'trumpsters' trying to kill somebody donald has mentioned in unflattering terms or accused of something ?

You really can't be that naïve, can you?

Hate crimes are rife in the USA since Trump was elected. And yes, there have been deaths - not of specific people mentioned by Trump, but of the colour/race of people constantly denigrated and belittled by Trump.

Remember these ones for starters:

"An Indian techie Srinivas Kuchibhotla was shot dead after an American man thought he was from Iran. In March, a Sikh was shot at while being told “go back to your own country”. The man, however, survived."

"In Florida, an Indian-American was mistaken for Arab in arson attack."

 

[mack341]

So @mack341 finds this funny?

It isn't. Not even close.

Quite simply, just a very, very nasty travesty of a pretence at irony or satire. And to think this is from the President of the USA.

@cncas2123 was spot on.

I saw it as biden's campaign being dead not Joe literally in the coffin, it's all to do with joe's 'you ain't black' comment, I think trump has retweeted it, I doubt he finds all these things, somebody must be looking for memes and videos that he can then retweet.

edit: just rereading above, and it says trump posted this on facebook, I didn't know he posted on there, I thought he just used twitter, and there is no sign of the video on his twitter feed. unless it's from a week ago or so?

 

[mack341]

You really can't be that naïve, can you?

Hate crimes are rife in the USA since Trump was elected. And yes, there have been deaths - not of specific people mentioned by Trump, but of the colour/race of people constantly denigrated and belittled by Trump.

Remember these ones for starters:

"An Indian techie Srinivas Kuchibhotla was shot dead after an American man thought he was from Iran. In March, a Sikh was shot at while being told “go back to your own country”. The man, however, survived."

"In Florida, an Indian-American was mistaken for Arab in arson attack."

All crimes are rife in the US, Joe scarborough is white and a former republican congressmen, where would the hate crime angle come in here?

My point was strictly regarding trump mentioning somebody [by name, an individual] and trumpsters being so insane they then look to physically attack or kill them, that was vorcirion's point, why make it into something different?

 

[mack341]

This was on trump's feed, it's fairly good humour:

 

[ternur]

This was on trump's feed, it's fairly good humour:

Nah.

 

[sufferinsilence]

The belittling language of the cop whose knee is on the guy's neck, while the other cop is just standing around whilst he is shouting for help. Disgusting. Apparently there were 2 other cops around too as 4 were fired already.

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[sufferinsilence]

I saw it as biden's campaign being dead not Joe literally in the coffin, it's all to do with joe's 'you ain't black' comment, I think trump has retweeted it, I doubt he finds all these things, somebody must be looking for memes and videos that he can then retweet.

edit: just rereading above, and it says trump posted this on facebook, I didn't know he posted on there, I thought he just used twitter, and there is no sign of the video on his twitter feed. unless it's from a week ago or so?

He is using Facebook to complain about Twitter factchecking his messages. And to post other garbage like the video.

 

[sufferinsilence]

This was on trump's feed, it's fairly good humour:

 

[dionysus]

profile pics of wearing a mask? pfft, who does that
weirdoes

 

[sufferinsilence]

I, together with the rest of the world I'm assuming, have no words for this

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[sufferinsilence]

And to top it off a nature video especially for @Kroffe

 

[sufferinsilence]

American president being happy about Americans losing their job. MAGA...

 

[sufferinsilence]

Scrolling through the comments on my previous posts, and I apologize for spamming this topic a bit tonight, I saw this vid. What happened to Sean Hannity? He flipped 100% all of a sudden...

 

[vorcirion]

All crimes are rife in the US, Joe scarborough is white and a former republican congressmen, where would the hate crime angle come in here?

My point was strictly regarding trump mentioning somebody [by name, an individual] and trumpsters being so insane they then look to physically attack or kill them, that was vorcirion's point, why make it into something different?

Color doesn't matter much when it's just someone who opposes Trump. Maybe you forgot good people on both sides or the guy who sent some pipe bombs to democrats or even the pizzagate guy. There are plenty of crazy people out there and Trump doesn't stop with these idiotic things. And his supporters won't stop spreading the crap that Trump says.

 

[mack341]

He is using Facebook to complain about Twitter factchecking his messages. And to post other garbage like the video.

That's the first time I've seen the actual video, and it is a pretty lame attempt and not very funny; I saw bits of that Joe biden interview as the young turks analysed it on utube and seemed worried it could affect a small percentage of the black male vote as every percent counts in tight seats.

I didn't think joe's joke was such a big deal, but if you reversed it and Trump had said 'you ain't white' if you don't vote for me over joe' then certainly the response and outcry would be unimaginable.

Other than that Joe actually came across quite sharp and coherent in the interview, don't know if that is because the lockdown has enabled him to rest and charge his batteries.

 

[mack341]

Color doesn't matter much when it's just someone who opposes Trump. Maybe you forgot good people on both sides or the guy who sent some pipe bombs to democrats or even the pizzagate guy. There are plenty of crazy people out there and Trump doesn't stop with these idiotic things. And his supporters won't stop spreading the crap that Trump says.

Trump has backtracked a bit by tweeting it wasn't an original idea of his [that the death should be reinvestigated] basically others have wondered about it over the years. I don't know how popular Joe scarborough is but it could cost trump votes, as it's more toxicity, unlikely to win him any votes..

This man was badly assaulted for the crime of wearing a maga hat:

 

[ladyhawke]

[…]This man was badly assaulted for the crime of wearing a maga hat:

Absolutely disgusting behaviour by those idiots. Mindless violence perpetrated against someone who was just minding his own business. Poor guy.

Putting aside political leanings, we should all be condemning violence like this on either side of the Republican/Democratic spectrum as unacceptably abhorrent.

It really makes me wonder if the USA will ever be the United States again, as there exists so much acrimony, distrust and anger which, more and more, is finding an outlet in extreme aggression.

 

[vorcirion]

Trump has backtracked a bit by tweeting it wasn't an original idea of his [that the death should be reinvestigated] basically others have wondered about it over the years. I don't know how popular Joe scarborough is but it could cost trump votes, as it's more toxicity, unlikely to win him any votes..

This man was badly assaulted for the crime of wearing a maga hat:

How is this backtracking?

 

[mack341]

Saying that above about Joe's sharpness, just seen this :



That doesn't play, let's see if this works [sorry if it doesn't but I'm on a learning curve with this technology]:

edit: No it didn't work, why do these things work sometimes and not others??

 

[mack341]

How is this backtracking?

I think that was before the backlash of the headlines, he hasn't totally backtracked but probably just enough to cover himself. He is quite clever though, [not sure if he thinks it through or does it instinctively] because now when Joe and Mika attack him on their show it maybe seen as retaliation and that could lessen their credibility.

 

[vorcirion]

I think that was before the backlash of the headlines, he hasn't totally backtracked but probably just enough to cover himself. He is quite clever though, [not sure if he thinks it through or does it instinctively] because now when Joe and Mika attack him on their show it maybe seen as retaliation and that could lessen their credibility.

That's dumb.

 

[vorcirion]

I think that was before the backlash of the headlines, he hasn't totally backtracked but probably just enough to cover himself. He is quite clever though, [not sure if he thinks it through or does it instinctively] because now when Joe and Mika attack him on their show it maybe seen as retaliation and that could lessen their credibility.

But hey it's nice to see how you're able to defend someone who falsely accuses someone else for a murder. Yeah very clever indeed!

 

[mack341]

That's dumb.

why? That's exactly the dilemma Joe and Mika face, if they now cover one of trump's conferences tomorrow and criticise donald it wil be viewed by some as retaliation. They are probably going to have to ease up on him at least for a while, as a presenter you don't want to be seen as pursuing any personal vendetta when discussing politics, otherwise you lose credibility...if that is wrong tell me how?

edit: I think they may address the issue directly at first though, say it was a mean thing to do and unthoughtful to the relatives. But after that he may have boxed them in a bit in terms of being critical towards him.

As I've said before if Joe Biden wins good luck to him, he will have won over enough swing voters, heck of a situation to take charge of though now, post lockdown and maybe come december in another lockdown.

 

[vorcirion]

why? That's exactly the dilemma Joe and Mika face, if they now cover one of trump's conferences tomorrow and criticise donald it wil be viewed by some as retaliation. They are probably going to have to ease up on him at least for a while, as a presenter you don't want to be seen as pursuing any personal vendetta when discussing politics, otherwise you lose credibility...if that is wrong tell me how?

You gotta have pretty twisted, biased mind to think like that. I guess you haven't listened to their show today. They are not easing up on him and not going to.
And you're still defending a lunatic who puts people in danger with his conspiracies and with his medical advices. But I guess you've stopped caring about people...gotta make Trump win no matter how many people die 'cause of him.

 

[mack341]

You gotta have pretty twisted, biased mind to think like that. I guess you haven't listened to their show today. They are not easing up on him and not going to.
And you're still defending a lunatic who puts people in danger with his conspiracies and with his medical advices. But I guess you've stopped caring about people...gotta make Trump win no matter how many people die 'cause of him.

No I haven't watched their show, but it's natural psychology that over time they won't want to be seen as harbouring a personal grudge, they may over compensate in the other direction, not if trump is clearly in the wrong over an issue, but where it's less clear. He wants to silence his critics whenever he can, undermining their credibility is one way of doing that. But here he may have undermined his own credibility too, which I have said it could cost him votes.

I think I posted the other week if people vote trump in I don't know what he is planning for in 2021, what they will get, could be something crazy on the international stage. He is unpredictable, Joe maybe should play on that, that life will be safer and more sensible with him at the helm.

 

[cncas2123]

@vorcirion if you keep challenging a certain member you will be joining me on the bad boy list

 

[vorcirion]

No I haven't watched their show, but it's natural psychology that over time they won't want to be seen as harbouring a personal grudge, they may over compensate in the other direction, not if trump is clearly in the wrong over an issue, but where it's less clear. He wants to silence his critics whenever he can, undermining their credibility is one way of doing that. But here he may have undermined his own credibility too, which I have said it could cost him votes.

I think I posted the other week if people vote trump in I don't know what he is planning for in 2021, what they will get, could be something crazy on the international stage. He is unpredictable, Joe maybe should play on that, that life will be safer and more sensible with him at the helm.

Trump is clearly wrong over this issue and he should be punished for it. With votes and with legal action if possible.
It's pretty hard for Trump to undermine anyone's credibility. He has none except in his own hc base. 100k dead and counting.

 

[mack341]

Trump is clearly wrong over this issue and he should be punished for it. With votes and with legal action if possible.
It's pretty hard for Trump to undermine anyone's credibility. He has none except in his own hc base. 100k dead and counting.

I'm not sure Trump can be blamed for the deaths anymore or less than other world leaders, and each state is self governing to a large extent, they can make their own decisions on quarantine and treatment protocols, nature of lockdowns etc.. and the overall rate of deaths per million of the population is below that of other countries like spain and italy.

If he is at fault it needs to be detailed where and how, fauci was even playing down the concerns regarding the virus ealier on, and trump is no medical expert but was always worried about all the stock market gains being wiped because of a lockdown [mind you to some degree these were artificial gains due to tax cuts and stimulous not sustainable in the long term ]

I have hardly watched any of the covid 19 announcements by trump but the bits that have got back to me indirectly, the gaffes etc.. did not surprise me. But when opponents try to make too much of it, it almost always backfires and folk say 'give the guy a break'...the day it doesn't backfire is the day trump packs his bags as people will have had enough.

 

[vorcirion]

I'm not sure Trump can be blamed for the deaths anymore or less than other world leaders, and each state is self governing to a large extent, they can make their own decisions on quarantine and treatment protocols, nature of lockdowns etc.. and the overall rate of deaths per million of the population is below that of other countries like spain and italy.

If he is at fault it needs to be detailed where and how, fauci was even playing down the concerns regarding the virus ealier on, and trump is no medical expert but was always worried about all the stock market gains being wiped because of a lockdown [mind you to some degree these were artificial gains due to tax cuts and stimulous not sustainable in the long term ]

I have hardly watched any of the covid 19 announcements by trump but the bits that have got back to me indirectly, the gaffes etc.. did not surprise me. But when opponents try to make too much of it, it almost always backfires and folk say 'give the guy a break'...the day it doesn't backfire is the day trump packs his bags as people will have had enough.

There's a reason why only his base believed him with anything to do with Covid. And around 70-80% believed Fauci. So even most of the republicans believed Fauci.
And when studies come out that if he had done the lockdown one week earlier...36k lives would've been saved. Then combine it with these kind of things:


Americans obviously don't care what happens in other countries and I'm pretty sure they don't believe Trump's response to Covid has been a great success:

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You don't need many more details other than over 100k dead americans plus big unemployment. It's pretty powerful message imo!

 

[mack341]

There's a reason why only his base believed him with anything to do with Covid. And around 70-80% believed Fauci. So even most of the republicans believed Fauci.
And when studies come out that if he had done the lockdown one week earlier...36k lives would've been saved. Then combine it with these kind of things:


Americans obviously don't care what happens in other countries and I'm pretty sure they don't believe Trump's response to Covid has been a great success:

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You don't need many more details other than over 100k dead americans plus big unemployment. It's pretty powerful message imo!

There's definitely something there that can be criticised or analysed, to find out why he didn't impose a lockdown quicker, but I'm sure there were other officials at the time saying life should carry on as normal in the early days, underestimating the effect of this virus, even fauci has contradicted himself too; and also places like sweden haven't done much of a lockdown and still fared better.

The scientist lady from oxford university, sufferinsilence posted the other day, was saying in the long run a lockdown that goes on too long will be counterproductive as there wil be no growing immunity, also the swedish professor said a similar thing, you're just delaying the inevitable and when you lift the lockdown cases will rise as if you hadn't had it. [I think that was the gist]

I realise it sounds like I'm just defending trump all the time but I've been critical of Bojo here in the uk or the govt here for our failings with things like PPE and testing and the care homes situation.

It sounds like the US fiscal package that came in was also not 100% focused on helping those most in need, again something to criticise trump and the republicans about possibly.

 

[mack341]

This shows some of fauci's inconsistencies and he has been advising the govt and trump.:

 

[vorcirion]

This shows some of fauci's inconsistencies and he has been advising the govt and trump.:

Fox wasn't crazy enough for you? OAN now?

 

[Harry_BKK]

This shows some of fauci's inconsistencies and he has been advising the govt and trump.:

Mate, you are turning into a debate partner I cannot take seriously anymore.

- the first time they show Dr Fauci was from 21st Jan - human-to-human transmission was confirmed on 22nd Jan and Fauci said: "We have to take is serious..... .....not something the citizen of the US should be worried RIGHT NOW".
FYI, Mr T said on the same day: “It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

- The next Dr Fauci part is from 29th Feb - please do yourself a favour and listen to the full interview:

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and then go back and replay the OAN part to see how they cut out exactly the nugget to fit their narrative, completely misleading the people.

Wasn't bothered to listen any further to the OAN crap because they don't deserve my precious time, and neither should they yours.

While I am not surprised that the CULT is believing every word of this OAN crap, I am truly baffled that you are willing to do it too!

 

[mack341]

Mate, you are turning into a debate partner I cannot take seriously anymore.

- the first time they show Dr Fauci was from 21st Jan - human-to-human transmission was confirmed on 22nd Jan and Fauci said: "We have to take is serious..... .....not something the citizen of the US should be worried RIGHT NOW".
- The next Dr Fauci part is from 29th Feb - please do yourself a favour and listen to the full interview:

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and then go back and replay the OAN part to see how they cut off, so people wouldn't hear what he really said.

Wasn't bothered to listen any further to the OAN crap because they don't deserve my precious time, and neither yours

I am truly baffled that you are willing to believe the crap from OAN!

well I was pretty sure fauci had changed opinions/advice and yet that was the only video I could find on utube, the search function has been banjaxed, 'fauci contradictions' brought back loads of irrelevant vids.

I must admit I haven't heard of OAN, although something rings a bell about a media firm suing rachel maddow for saying they were russian funded, without looking it up again it might be OAN.

I didn't feel the vid above was that bad, some of the fawning on fox towards trump is OTT, maybe OAN do that too.

 

[Harry_BKK]

well I was pretty sure fauci had changed opinions/advice and yet that was the only video I could find on utube, the search function has been banjaxed, 'fauci contradictions' brought back loads of irrelevant vids.

I must admit I haven't heard of OAN, although something rings a bell about a media firm suing rachel maddow for saying they were russian funded, without looking it up again it might be OAN.

I didn't feel the vid above was that bad, some of the fawning on fox towards trump is OTT, maybe OAN do that too.

Not that bad, are you serious? They are lying into the face of their viewers, trying to rewrite history and you think it is not "that bad"?

Mack.... OAN is FAUX on steroids, BIGLY!

 

[Harry_BKK]

well I was pretty sure fauci had changed opinions/advice and yet that was the only video I could find on utube, the search function has been banjaxed, 'fauci contradictions' brought back loads of irrelevant vids.

I must admit I haven't heard of OAN, although something rings a bell about a media firm suing rachel maddow for saying they were russian funded, without looking it up again it might be OAN.

I didn't feel the vid above was that bad, some of the fawning on fox towards trump is OTT, maybe OAN do that too.

And one more thing - every scientist changed his/her wording/opinion/words as the situation evolved. That's what scientists do - research, collect knowledge, adapt, research, collect knowledge, adapt.

On the other hand, Mr T insisted until late March or thereabouts, that all is fine and dandy. His new press sec had the same opinion:

"Absolutely, this president will always put America first, he will always protect American citizens. We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here, we will not see terrorism, and isn't that refreshing when contrasting it with the awful presidency of Barack Obama? " --> right! 100K dead, it will not come to America because the Chosen One is almighty --> How refreshing indeed!

 

[ternur]

While I am not surprised that the CULT is believing every word

Hear! Hear!

Cults are strange things. I might have joined one awhile ago. And was unaware that I did at the time

And it's still somewhat unclear to me.

Oh. This is a serious debate thread? I'm sorry.

 

[vorcirion]

well I was pretty sure fauci had changed opinions/advice and yet that was the only video I could find on utube, the search function has been banjaxed, 'fauci contradictions' brought back loads of irrelevant vids.

I must admit I haven't heard of OAN, although something rings a bell about a media firm suing rachel maddow for saying they were russian funded, without looking it up again it might be OAN.

I didn't feel the vid above was that bad, some of the fawning on fox towards trump is OTT, maybe OAN do that too.

Trump always has that one person from OAN in every press briefing to ask friendly questions from him. If you hear something completely unrelated questions or just something crazy...that's OAN.
A bit like this:



Or funnier explanation what's OAN:

 

[ladyhawke]

So...after suffering the indignity of being fact-checked by Twitter, this is Trump's response:

Trump will sign an executive order on social media companies: White House spokeswoman

Apparently this EO is going to "strongly regulate" or "close down" Social Media platforms.

Is he not trying to undermine the fundamental principle of free speech with this action, as Twitter did not ban his tweet, but simply flagged them with the fact-checker marker. So he is still able to make his ludicrous, unhinged claims, which surely is free speech at its 'finest'.

An interesting question is: Can an Executive Order like this one be issued against private companies?

 

[mack341]

Trump always has that one person from OAN in every press briefing to ask friendly questions from him. If you hear something completely unrelated questions or just something crazy...that's OAN.
A bit like this:



Or funnier explanation what's OAN:

I think they maybe the new network for me

No seriously it sounds as though they've found a niche market for people who have grown to dislike the other channels [incl fox]
That means there are at least two (kind of) conservative channels now, to provide a bit more balance.

I do wonder how the democrat supporters will take it if trump wins another term, biden should do better than hillary that's for certain, but if americans have bought into the idea that Trump is good with the economy [not saying he is] then that must help him enormously in these challenging times, may just be enough to beat Joe.

Saying that it would be an amazing story for joe at his age to win the presidency, he's also experienced tragedy losing his daughter and wife, his son hunter's problems as well to contend with, so I don't think I would begrudge him winning. He'll be quite disappointed if he loses I guess, may blame himself and his failing faculties, which would be sad.

 

[mack341]

So...after suffering the indignity of being fact-checked by Twitter, this is Trump's response:

Trump will sign an executive order on social media companies: White House spokeswoman

Apparently this EO is going to "strongly regulate" or "close down" Social Media platforms.

Is he not trying to undermine the fundamental principle of free speech with this action, as Twitter did not ban his tweet, but simply flagged them with the fact-checker marker. So he is still able to make his ludicrous, unhinged claims, which surely is free speech at its 'finest'.

An interesting question is: Can an Executive Order like this one be issued against private companies?

I must admit I don't like these fact checker sites, they have an inherent liberal bias, the old saying there are 'lies, damned lies and statistics' comes to mind, we never needed fact checking newspapers pre the internet or even these websites for the first 20 years of the internet.

Imagine we had the same situation on here, with a big marking on a post, saying please refer to this fact checker if you read this post, it would be silly and a blatant form of thought control.

If trump is going to take action against twitter and facebook he will get applauded by many who are getting sick and tired of tech companies interfering in politics for one side. [esp when they have a monopoly, google should never been allowed to buy youtube, just concentrates too much power into one company's hands]

[ All over this scarborough story too, more soap opera issues that will not affect people's lives one jot, got to laugh really trump and his battles with the media ]

edit: sorry I didn't give a view on the question you posed, I think if trump does try it will end up in the supreme court for them to decide. If the constitution broadly speaking gives citizens freedom of speech [subject to certain laws though] can these firms willy-nilly interfere, deciding what they suppress or promote and no one bats an eyelid, It wouldn't matter if there were 3 or 4 twitters just as there is with newpapers and tv, who are openly biased one way or the other and consumers then choose, but twitter have a monopoly platform atm so should not be partisan.

 

[mack341]

trump has more enemies than I've ever known a modern day politician to have, more battles, he's fought republicans in jeb etc..hillary, the deep state, tv shows, actors, comedians, the list goes on and on

He's got old rudy, joe digenova and his wife plus lou dobbs fighting his corner, it's like a mad pantomime that never ends.