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[mack341]

If anything I wanted HCQ to be the miracle drug, if you read my earlier posts I've always been positive about it. But when trials start coming in that it's not what we're waiting for you have to be realistic.

For me this isn't about Trump's ego but people's health.

You say that, but the negative studies get more publicity on CNN etc... I read something the other day that all the main cable news channels are sponsored by big pharmaceutical firms, they run their adverts in prime time, so that is another factor you have to take into account, that's the real world not conspiracy, money buys influence. If sponsors pull their adds the tv company is in trouble.

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^ this a chinese retrospective study from april, with 568 patients, did you see this on the MSM websites and headlines, no course you didn't, and that's evidence of an agenda.

"CONCLUSIONS AND RELEVANCE: Hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with a decreased mortality in critically ill patients with COVID-19 through attenuation of inflammatory cytokine storm. Therefore, hydroxychloroquine should be prescribed for treatment of critically ill COVID-19 patients to save lives. "

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That's well known that HCQ affects cytokine levels and people with covid 19 are suffering damage from a cytokine storm, probably why its also successfully used for lupus.

Am I to think these chinese doctors have got an agenda to push a generic cheap medicine and are making up the results and science

 

[sufferinsilence]

You say that, but the negative studies get more publicity on CNN etc... I read something the other day that all the main cable news channels are sponsored by big pharmaceutical firms, they run their adverts in prime time, so that is another factor you have to take into account, that's the real world not conspiracy, money buys influence. If sponsors pull their adds the tv company is in trouble.

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^ this a chinese retrospective study from april, with 568 patients, did you see this on the MSM websites and headlines, no course you didn't, and that's evidence of an agenda.

"CONCLUSIONS AND RELEVANCE: Hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with a decreased mortality in critically ill patients with COVID-19 through attenuation of inflammatory cytokine storm. Therefore, hydroxychloroquine should be prescribed for treatment of critically ill COVID-19 patients to save lives. "

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That's well known that HCQ affects cytokine levels and people with covid 19 are suffering damage from a cytokine storm, probably why its also successfully used for lupus.

Am I to think these chinese doctors have got an agenda to push a generic cheap medicine and are making up the results and science

TBH, I don't remember if I've seen that study being mentioned anywhere.

But I was already aware about the cytokine storm that is triggered where your own immune system attacks both sick and healthy cells. It has been in the news here that instead of HCQ they've been using another drug to attack this which seems more promising: Tocilizumab.

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While googling for that I found this interesting article from Nat Geo, concluding: “But we all need to remember that we have to wait for the evidence. Every week, we’ll be learning more.”

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[vorcirion]

You say that, but the negative studies get more publicity on CNN etc... I read something the other day that all the main cable news channels are sponsored by big pharmaceutical firms, they run their adverts in prime time, so that is another factor you have to take into account, that's the real world not conspiracy, money buys influence. If sponsors pull their adds the tv company is in trouble.

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^ this a chinese retrospective study from april, with 568 patients, did you see this on the MSM websites and headlines, no course you didn't, and that's evidence of an agenda.

"CONCLUSIONS AND RELEVANCE: Hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with a decreased mortality in critically ill patients with COVID-19 through attenuation of inflammatory cytokine storm. Therefore, hydroxychloroquine should be prescribed for treatment of critically ill COVID-19 patients to save lives. "

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That's well known that HCQ affects cytokine levels and people with covid 19 are suffering damage from a cytokine storm, probably why its also successfully used for lupus.

Am I to think these chinese doctors have got an agenda to push a generic cheap medicine and are making up the results and science

You're quoting only one study. You can't do this kind of cherry picking if you want accurate results. There have been many studies done and based on them HCQ isn't the answer we want.

 

[mack341]

You're quoting only one study. You can't do this kind of cherry picking if you want accurate results. There have been many studies done and based on them HCQ isn't the answer we want.

I give up if you truly believe that, I'm banging my head on the wall. Any doctors and countries using it with success must be mad trump fanatics, deranged and making up positive results

TBh I don't care what get's used as long as it works, madness all these thousands dying without trying anything.

 

[vorcirion]

I give up if you truly believe that, I'm banging my head on the wall. Any doctors and countries using it with success must be mad trump fanatics, deranged and making up positive results

TBh I don't care what get's used as long as it works, madness all these thousands dying without trying anything.

Science can be frustrating. It takes time to find the answer. But they are trying since there have been so many studies already. Still nothing to do with Trump!
I do hope they find the answer fast since my dad lives in Sweden and they aren't doing much to stop the spread of the virus. And he's in the risk group.

 

[Kroffe]

Science can be frustrating. It takes time to find the answer. But they are trying since there have been so many studies already. Still nothing to do with Trump!
I do hope they find the answer fast since my dad lives in Sweden and they aren't doing much to stop the spread of the virus. And he's in the risk group.

One more word about Sweden out of you and its straight to time-out corner for you young man!

 

[vorcirion]

One more word about Sweden out of you and its straight to time-out corner for you young man!

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Fu hippie!

 

[Kroffe]

Fu hippie!

Tell him to come live with me!
Very few cases here in västerbotten, and i can teach him all about paint3d!
Does he live in the north or south of sweden?

 

[vorcirion]

Tell him to come live with me!
Very few cases here in västerbotten, and i can teach him all about paint3d!
Does he live in the north or south of sweden?

North part in the middle of nowhere. 40kms to the closest shop so most likely the virus won't find its way there But you never know!

 

[vorcirion]

Tell him to come live with me!
Very few cases here in västerbotten, and i can teach him all about paint3d!
Does he live in the north or south of sweden?

And you can't teach him anything. I tried teaching him poker...he's too stubborn to learn new things

 

[Kroffe]

North part in the middle of nowhere. 40kms to the closest shop so most likely the virus won't find its way there But you never know!

Yeah hopefully the numbers will keep being low here in the north.
But im guessing since we dont have any lockdown in place or anything, the virus will come here sooner or later.
Can only hope they have managed to find some reliable treatment before that happens.

But like you said, if he lives out in nowhere in the north of Sweden, hes not very likely to catch the virus.

 

[Kroffe]

And you can't teach him anything. I tried teaching him poker...he's too stubborn to learn new things

I think thats a pretty common dad-thing.

 

[Kroffe]

My usually awesome recommended list on youtube has been tainted by political videos.
I mean, what the shit is this.


Horrible people-

 

[vorcirion]

I think thats a pretty common dad-thing.

Yeah wish he'd learn to erase his browser history at least. I really don't want to see what kind of porn he has been searching for every year

 

[Kroffe]

Boooooo

 

[vorcirion]

Boooooo

Trump administration has done so many things during these 3,5 years. I hope there will be some good campaign videos about them. I've probably forgotten many of them already...new thing every week!

 

[Kroffe]

Trump administration has done so many things during these 3,5 years. I hope there will be some good campaign videos about them. I've probably forgotten many of them already...new thing every week!

Yeah, they have done alot of crap.
But ruining my recommended list on youtube is where i draw the line.

Dont worry tho, im fixing it as we speak.

 

[Harry_BKK]

It might have looked too obvious to do it in the campaign period, officialdom has to be seen to be independent. Plus it was a secret investigation to gather information first on members of the trump team, which was changing with people leaving and joining, the deepstate [ top echelons of cia/fbi] needed one of these people to turn against trump and give evidence, I think manafort was put into solitary confinement but wouldn't turn. Trump's solicitor was raided and they still couldn't find anything to use against him.

The media in the campaign period were giving trump a tough time [incl fox] in order to influence the public, accusing him of being too friendly with putin and siding with russia [they'd started planting the seed] and Hillary was still predicted to win with all the pundits and polling strongly.

I just think for a 5 min segment Judge Jeanine summed it up pretty well for what is a very complicated mess.

I'm not saying Trump is an angel or to be trusted every time he opens his mouth, but neither are people like brennan, mccabe and comey.

I overall doubt Obama will be in trouble or durham will criticise anyone senior, it would be amazing if he went after comey or brennan, but they will have covered their footprints well enough and will argue they had reason to investigate because any russian angle is such a potential danger to national security. [they are still in the cold war mindset]

If they'd dropped the flynn case ages ago none of this would have come out, but jailing him was seen as part of the operation against trump, to influence the public there was something in the russian collusion story afterall, must be if a 3 star general apppointed by trump is serving time for lying to the fbi about speaking to a russian official.

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Regarding the virus it seems to affect the ethnic population more, of which there is a lot in big cities in the US, the figures I'm looking at now say deaths in the US per million = 245; uk = 472, spain = 572, france = 404, so on those figures the US has done considerably better than some.

81,000 total deaths in the US to 32,000 for the uk but they have 5 times the size of population, so all being equal the uk with the same size pop would have 160,000 deaths. They have a lot of obesity and other health conditions also in the US, that increases the death rate too.

To be honest I've watched in total about 5 mins of trump's virus announcements & updates etc...I don't like Fauci, because I don't trust him, I have more suspicion about people who try to appear as goody two shoes, a leftover from having Blair as PM for 10 years,

Gimme a break mack. Lame explanations, sorry to say that.

You can always leak something. If somebody really wanted to damage Mr T or prevent him from becoming president, then there would have been a way to leak news of the investigation. Period!

But there was no "deep state", no "coup d'etat" - don't you see it mack? Mr T is always and every time painted as a victim. This is his CON, wake up for once.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I don't trust Barr, but I think sidney powell is an honest lady, if Bush and his officials could lie to start a huge middle east war and get away with it, I don't see why the system should jail Flynn for talking to the russian ambassador. [ It was about an upcoming UN vote or something, horsetrading.]

I think I'll go back to being a neutral re Trump, it's far less stressful and you can see why people get fed up of politics and politicians, they always let the voters down.

In answer to Vorc I hardly watch Fox these days, it's all rinse and repeat, they get people's hopes up of the swamp being drained but it never happens, I just don't know where the world is heading to at the moment, I thought it was bad before but it's plumbed to new depths of depressing.

So all the prosecutors are not to be trusted but a lawyer who is constantly on Faux and other channels fanning the flames? Really mack?

No incoming administration is to talk to foreign governments. That is to keep the principle that there is only one government. Has been like that for ages in the US.

 

[Harry_BKK]

This whole Obamagate thing is just Trump trying to deflect from his failure to protect American lives during this pandemic.

And possibly also because of a small weewee.

It is a 100% "LOOK THERE" con from the Don. An absolutely perfect example.

 

[Steviedoo]

This is obamagate. Tan suit.

 

[Kroffe]

This is obamagate. Tan suit.

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I remember when he pulled that shit.
Outrageous...How dare he!

 

[Kroffe]

 

[Harry_BKK]

This is obamagate. Tan suit.

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At the last presser before he left like the 3-rd grader that he is.

Q: What is the crime you are accusing President Obama of?
Mr T answer: Obamagate, the biggest crime in our history
Q: But what is the crime exactly?
Mr T answer: You know it!

Can't make this stuff up. How can anyone know when he never spelt it out?

Plus, I never heard of a legal crime term called Obamagate. I wonder when that was introduced into the US criminal code.

EDIT: And where is Rudy with his "clear evidence" of Bidengate? That "Look There" ruse seems to have been shelved by Mr T and his cronies as there was no evidence other than "Many people say....".

 

[Kroffe]

Ah, recommendations are back to normal.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I give up if you truly believe that, I'm banging my head on the wall. Any doctors and countries using it with success must be mad trump fanatics, deranged and making up positive results

TBh I don't care what get's used as long as it works, madness all these thousands dying without trying anything.

Study done in NYC on over 1400 patients:

Conclusions and Relevance Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality. However, the interpretation of these findings may be limited by the observational design.

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[mack341]

Study done in NYC on over 1400 patients:

Conclusions and Relevance Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality. However, the interpretation of these findings may be limited by the observational design.

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[yahoo 11 may]

Washington (AFP) - The antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine has shown mixed results against the coronavirus in early studies, but a new paper out of New York suggests combining it with the dietary supplement zinc sulfate could create a more effective treatment.

The research by the NYU Grossman School of Medicine was posted on a medical preprint site on Monday, meaning it hasn't yet been peer reviewed.

Records of about 900 COVID-19 patients were reviewed in the analysis, with roughly half given zinc sulfate along with hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin.

The other half only received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.

Those receiving the triple-drug combination had a 1.5 times greater likelihood of recovering enough to be discharged, and were 44 percent less likely to die, compared to the double-drug combination.

It did not, however, change the average time patients spent in hospital (six days), the time they spent on the ventilator (five days), or the total amount of oxygen required.

 

[sufferinsilence]

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[yahoo 11 may]

Washington (AFP) - The antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine has shown mixed results against the coronavirus in early studies, but a new paper out of New York suggests combining it with the dietary supplement zinc sulfate could create a more effective treatment.

The research by the NYU Grossman School of Medicine was posted on a medical preprint site on Monday, meaning it hasn't yet been peer reviewed.

Records of about 900 COVID-19 patients were reviewed in the analysis, with roughly half given zinc sulfate along with hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin.

The other half only received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.

Those receiving the triple-drug combination had a 1.5 times greater likelihood of recovering enough to be discharged, and were 44 percent less likely to die, compared to the double-drug combination.

It did not, however, change the average time patients spent in hospital (six days), the time they spent on the ventilator (five days), or the total amount of oxygen required.

But that study is different? It doesn't research HCQ vs non-HCQ treatment.

 

[cncas2123]

I have to ask the question - does anyone really think that if there was the slightest benefit in treating patients with HCQ Trump would be staying silent on the subject?
If it worked in any way he would be shouting at every news conference that he had found the drug to beat Covid. For me the fact that it’s not mentioned by him or his cohorts at any briefing speaks volumes on the worth of the drug.

 

[mack341]

I have to ask the question - does anyone really think that if there was the slightest benefit in treating patients with HCQ Trump would be staying silent on the subject?
If it worked in any way he would be shouting at every news conference that he had found the drug to beat Covid. For me the fact that it’s not mentioned by him or his cohorts at any briefing speaks volumes on the worth of the drug.

How do you explain professor didier raoult still using it, surely that would be criminal and he'd be struck off by the french govt

from his bio on wiki

"Since 2008, Raoult has been the director of the Unité de Recherche sur les Maladies Infectieuses et Tropicales Emergentes " [ Infectious and Tropical Emergent Diseases Research Unit), which employs more than 200 persons. ]

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^ It sounds like he is rather a man who takes his role and science seriously, can you explain why he would go down a route of promoting fake science and risk his livelihood, reputation and career?

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The reason why trump probably doesn't mention it is because he is out of his depth re medicines and will get more brickbats thrown at him; two powerful motives are at work in my opinion, the profit motive for pharmaceuticals [they have no interest in using a cheap old generic against this virus] and the propaganda motive regarding trump, if the msm had to admit trump was right about pushing HCQ, his poll numbers would rocket.

The new york study quoted above has some flaws in it in I believe, something to do with the severity of illness of those who received HCQ compared to the control group.

 

[mack341]

But that study is different? It doesn't research HCQ vs non-HCQ treatment.

Yes but it shows adding zinq to the treatment improves the outcome.

 

[Harry_BKK]

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[yahoo 11 may]

Washington (AFP) - The antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine has shown mixed results against the coronavirus in early studies, but a new paper out of New York suggests combining it with the dietary supplement zinc sulfate could create a more effective treatment.

The research by the NYU Grossman School of Medicine was posted on a medical preprint site on Monday, meaning it hasn't yet been peer reviewed.

Records of about 900 COVID-19 patients were reviewed in the analysis, with roughly half given zinc sulfate along with hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin.

The other half only received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.

Those receiving the triple-drug combination had a 1.5 times greater likelihood of recovering enough to be discharged, and were 44 percent less likely to die, compared to the double-drug combination.

It did not, however, change the average time patients spent in hospital (six days), the time they spent on the ventilator (five days), or the total amount of oxygen required.

Mate, you can post as many of those as you want, fact is that currently there is no proven cure, treatment or vaccine for COVID-19. This is a new virus that appeared for the first time about 6 months ago!!!

Doctors are trying all sorts of anti-viral drugs or combinations of drugs, even HIV drugs and what not to help patients fighting the disease.

All treatments at the moment are directed at assisting patients to beat and/or survive the illness, basically keeping them alive long enough for the body to build the antibodies. In many cases, they change medication and give an entire cocktail until they find something that might help. It is then still not clear what exactly helped or if a patient just beat the illness naturally.

To really prove a new drug, you have to perform large randomized double-blind trials. Anything else is either observational or anecdotal.

To be honest, I wouldn't bother in the slightest if Mr T would get a dozen Nobels just so he can brag for the rest of his life that he outdid Obama, if HCQ or CQ would be indeed a cure or treatment. Only demented cult people think that anyone is rooting against it out of political bias.

EDIT: Actually, make that a

 

[cncas2123]

How do you explain professor didier raoult still using it, surely that would be criminal and he'd be struck off by the french govt

from his bio on wiki

"Since 2008, Raoult has been the director of the Unité de Recherche sur les Maladies Infectieuses et Tropicales Emergentes " [ Infectious and Tropical Emergent Diseases Research Unit), which employs more than 200 persons. ]

On 19 November 2010, he was awarded the "

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In 2015, Raoult was awarded the "

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" of the Institut de France. He shared the €450.000 prize money with biologist Chris Bowler from the Institut de Biologie de l'Ecole Normale Supérieure in Paris.

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In 2014, according to ISI Web of Knowledge, he is the most cited

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in Europe, and the 7th worldwide

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^ It sounds like he is rather a man who takes his role and science seriously, can you explain why he would go down a route of promoting fake science and risk his livelihood, reputation and career?

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The reason why trump probably doesn't mention it is because he is out of his depth re medicines and will get more brickbats thrown at him; two powerful motives are at work in my opinion, the profit motive for pharmaceuticals [they have no interest in using a cheap old generic against this virus] and the propaganda motive regarding trump, if the msm had to admit trump was right about pushing HCQ, his poll numbers would rocket.

The new york study quoted above has some flaws in it in I believe, something to do with the severity of illness of those who received HCQ compared to the control group.

1 professor versus how many who agree that there is no significant data to prove that it has any noticeable difference in the treatment of Covid. That is statistically irrelevant.
And to say that Trump wouldn’t want to promote any success in a treatment he advocated doesn’t hold water - a few weeks ago he was suggesting that people should be injected with disinfectant, that’s not the sign of a person who is afraid of any reaction he will get.
As @harrybkk says it would be great if HCQ was the silver bullet , or if it provides any noticeable relieve from Covid but the data proves otherwise.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Yes but it shows adding zinq to the treatment improves the outcome.

Sure, but it would be much more interesting if they tested it against a non-HCQ treatment too. Or just zinc and azithromycin.

 

[mack341]

1 professor versus how many who agree that there is no significant data to prove that it has any noticeable difference in the treatment of Covid. That is statistically irrelevant.
And to say that Trump wouldn’t want to promote any success in a treatment he advocated doesn’t hold water - a few weeks ago he was suggesting that people should be injected with disinfectant, that’s not the sign of a person who is afraid of any reaction he will get.
As @harrybkk says it would be great if HCQ was the silver bullet , or if it provides any noticeable relieve from Covid but the data proves otherwise.

There are still more ongoing trials including in the uk, and doctors all around the world, not participating in trials, are currently using it to treat covid-19 as there isn't much else available, with zinq and an antibiotic.

It can't work miracles like a silver bullet that is sure, but to say it doesn't do anything would seem highly unlikely given the science

Biological Mechanism of Chloroquine

A number of potential mechanisms of action of CQ/HCQ against SARS-CoV-2 have been postulated. The virus is believed to enter cells by binding to a cell surface enzyme called angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) (16). ACE2 expression is also believed to be upregulated by infection with SARS-CoV-2 (17). Chloroquine may reduce glycosylation of ACE2, thereby preventing COVID-19 from effectively binding to host cells (18). Furthermore, Savarino et al (19) hypothesise that CQ might block the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines (such as interleukin-6), thereby blocking the pathway that subsequently leads to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS).

Some viruses enter host cells through endocytosis; the virus is transported within the host cell in a cell-membrane derived vesicle called an endosome, within which the virus can replicate (19). When the endosome fuses with the acidic intracellular lysosome, this leads to rupture of the endosome with the release of the viral contents (19). Chloroquine has been found to accumulate in lysosomes, interfering with this process (20). Chloroquine is also believed to raise the pH level of the endosome, which may interfere with virus entry and/or exit from host cells (6).

 

[geordiecolin]

There are still more ongoing trials including in the uk, and doctors all around the world, not participating in trials, are currently using it to treat covid-19 as there isn't much else available, with zinq and an antibiotic.

It can't work miracles like a silver bullet that is sure, but to say it doesn't do anything would seem highly unlikely given the science

Biological Mechanism of Chloroquine

A number of potential mechanisms of action of CQ/HCQ against SARS-CoV-2 have been postulated. The virus is believed to enter cells by binding to a cell surface enzyme called angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) (16). ACE2 expression is also believed to be upregulated by infection with SARS-CoV-2 (17). Chloroquine may reduce glycosylation of ACE2, thereby preventing COVID-19 from effectively binding to host cells (18). Furthermore, Savarino et al (19) hypothesise that CQ might block the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines (such as interleukin-6), thereby blocking the pathway that subsequently leads to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS).

Some viruses enter host cells through endocytosis; the virus is transported within the host cell in a cell-membrane derived vesicle called an endosome, within which the virus can replicate (19). When the endosome fuses with the acidic intracellular lysosome, this leads to rupture of the endosome with the release of the viral contents (19). Chloroquine has been found to accumulate in lysosomes, interfering with this process (20). Chloroquine is also believed to raise the pH level of the endosome, which may interfere with virus entry and/or exit from host cells (6).

The last time that lockinlove responded to me she was unwilling to state what measures they where using in her Hospitals because what they where using was not what they where officially told to use. That was at a time when I first mentioned the combo of Chloroquine and zinc plus an antibiotic being so successful as well as using high doses of Vit C.
The critisism raised about the tests that failed that Fauchi ordered was the patients that where used where never likely to survive anyway.
The combo is effective on those who are given it before the most fatal stage which is where the excellent results where witnessed.
Cost of Chloroquine + zinc is less than a Dollar.

 

[cncas2123]

There are still more ongoing trials including in the uk, and doctors all around the world, not participating in trials, are currently using it to treat covid-19 as there isn't much else available, with zinq and an antibiotic.

It can't work miracles like a silver bullet that is sure, but to say it doesn't do anything would seem highly unlikely given the science

Biological Mechanism of Chloroquine

A number of potential mechanisms of action of CQ/HCQ against SARS-CoV-2 have been postulated. The virus is believed to enter cells by binding to a cell surface enzyme called angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) (16). ACE2 expression is also believed to be upregulated by infection with SARS-CoV-2 (17). Chloroquine may reduce glycosylation of ACE2, thereby preventing COVID-19 from effectively binding to host cells (18). Furthermore, Savarino et al (19) hypothesise that CQ might block the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines (such as interleukin-6), thereby blocking the pathway that subsequently leads to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS).

Some viruses enter host cells through endocytosis; the virus is transported within the host cell in a cell-membrane derived vesicle called an endosome, within which the virus can replicate (19). When the endosome fuses with the acidic intracellular lysosome, this leads to rupture of the endosome with the release of the viral contents (19). Chloroquine has been found to accumulate in lysosomes, interfering with this

The last time that lockinlove responded to me she was unwilling to state what measures they where using in her Hospitals because what they where using was not what they where officially told to use. That was at a time when I first mentioned the combo of Chloroquine and zinc plus an antibiotic being so successful as well as using high doses of Vit C.
The critisism raised about the tests that failed that Fauchi ordered was the patients that where used where never likely to survive anyway.
The combo is effective on those who are given it before the most fatal stage which is where the excellent results where witnessed.
Cost of Chloroquine + zinc is less than a Dollar.

Again, why isnt Trump shouting from the rooftops that he has found the miracle treatment? Any data I have seen on HCQ has been pretty disappointing, when used either on its own or in combination it is not providing statistically positive outcomes.
The only treatment that is proving to provide some relieve from Covid-19 is Remdesivir and it is reducing the average time patients suffer from severe symptoms from around 15 days to 11 days, but in mortality rates it is only reducing the likelihood of mortality by a small percentage.
I havent seen any other validated data on other treatments that have had the same success as Remdesivir and that includes tests carried out on HCQ & HCQ combinations.

 

[mack341]

Mate, you can post as many of those as you want, fact is that currently there is no proven cure, treatment or vaccine for COVID-19. This is a new virus that appeared for the first time about 6 months ago!!!

Doctors are trying all sorts of anti-viral drugs or combinations of drugs, even HIV drugs and what not to help patients fighting the disease.

All treatments at the moment are directed at assisting patients to beat and/or survive the illness, basically keeping them alive long enough for the body to build the antibodies. In many cases, they change medication and give an entire cocktail until they find something that might help. It is then still not clear what exactly helped or if a patient just beat the illness naturally.

To really prove a new drug, you have to perform large randomized double-blind trials. Anything else is either observational or anecdotal.

To be honest, I wouldn't bother in the slightest if Mr T would get a dozen Nobels just so he can brag for the rest of his life that he outdid Obama, if HCQ or CQ would be indeed a cure or treatment. Only demented cult people think that anyone is rooting against it out of political bias.

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[geordiecolin]

Again, why isnt Trump shouting from the rooftops that he has found the miracle treatment? Any data I have seen on HCQ has been pretty disappointing, when used either on its own or in combination it is not providing statistically positive outcomes.
The only treatment that is proving to provide some relieve from Covid-19 is Remdesivir and it is reducing the average time patients suffer from severe symptoms from around 15 days to 11 days, but in mortality rates it is only reducing the likelihood of mortality by a small percentage.
I havent seen any other validated data on other treatments that have had the same success as Remdesivir and that includes tests carried out on HCQ & HCQ combinations.

I provided quite a bit information some time ago which was dismissed in the other thread. Bringing it back up here will not change the outcome of popular opinion nore would me finding anything new if there is any.
It has already been stated at least once that Trump defers to the experts.

 

[cncas2123]

I provided quite a bit information some time ago which was dismissed in the other thread. Bringing it back up here will not change the outcome of popular opinion nore would me finding anything new if there is any.
It has already been stated at least once that Trump defers to the experts.

Trump never misses an opportunity to tell everyone how good he is so i dont think he would miss any opportunity to promote the fact he was the one who told everyone HCQ would combat Covid-19.
That fact, backed up to medical data from numerous sources, plus the fact that there is no surge to procure HCQ tells me that it isnt the drug that will help treat Covid-19.

 

[geordiecolin]

Trump never misses an opportunity to tell everyone how good he is so i dont think he would miss any opportunity to promote the fact he was the one who told everyone HCQ would combat Covid-19.
That fact, backed up to medical data from numerous sources, plus the fact that there is no surge to procure HCQ tells me that it isnt the drug that will help treat Covid-19.

You are welcome to have that opinion

 

[Harry_BKK]

I provided quite a bit information some time ago which was dismissed in the other thread. Bringing it back up here will not change the outcome of popular opinion nore would me finding anything new if there is any.
It has already been stated at least once that Trump defers to the experts.

Colin, nobody is denying the anecdotal evidence. People have also been given blood thinners, HIV drugs among others. And no, antibiotics do not help against viruses.

In general, any anti-viral drug might help because the majority works with the same principle. Inhibiting the virus to multiply, especially in the early stage of the illness. COVID is a new virus and nobody can say 100% sure what works and what doesn't.

The conclusion is that HCQ/CQ could help but it is not clinically proven. Before you start using a drug on a wide scale, we are talking millions of infections, you have to make sure it actually helps and does not cause other damage that could be worse.

Fauci said today in the hearing that remdesivir is neither the cure-all drug everybody is looking for but it has proven in proper clinical trials to reduce hospitalization periods. It's not a cure.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Twitter thread of the day!

 

[Kroffe]

Twitter thread of the day!

Guy dressed in black pulled of a pretty sweet spin-kick or whatever its called.

 

[Kroffe]

Think this week will be a water-week.



Maybe you dont have two hours, and still want to see animals do stuff.
Here, have a pig.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Guy dressed in black pulled of a pretty sweet spin-kick or whatever its called.

Roundhouse kick I think

 

[Kroffe]

Who needs aliens from space when we got the barreleye fish and goblin shark living right here.

No such things in the below documentary tho.
Or maybe there is, guess theres only one way to find out.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Comedy gold.. The chips are starting to crumble indeed.

 

[Kroffe]

Comedy gold.. The chips are starting to crumble indeed.

Yeah, its like a never ending comedy-routine with the Trumps.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Battling with broadband outage at the moment. And since all are jumping onto mobile internet, it has the speed of a horse carriage.

They said "We fixed it" some 4 hours ago, yet I have not been able to squeeze a single bit from the router so far, let alone a KB or MB.