The US started the war in Iraq (on the basis of a big fat lie I might add) which led to the rise of ISIS, hence, you and you alone are responsible for the situation.
But typical, always calling for others to clean up your mess.
BTW, NATO and many other countries have soldiers stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Your ignorance to the facts is, as usual, to be expected just like the US throwing allies under the bus.
...Silly me, how can I think that it is not the US to blame.
And Greenland together with Palau presented the fake evidence for WMD's in Iraq.
Now just as an experiment. Whenever you take 200 people into one room (as in 200 countries that we have on this planet), you will always find a handful of fools. That is just the nature of things.
Kuwait had no other choice and UK and Poland sucked up to the US in the hope to get something in return. Anyone else that joined the "coalition of the willing"? I certainly didn't see scores of countries lining up on their knees and begging the US to let them take part in an illegal war and send their young people to die just for the sake to have a war.
Yet again you pull the "Anti-US" card. I am tired of writing it down for you again that I am not "anti-US" because as it seems you suffer from a syndrome called "selective reading".
Nobody has said the US should stay forever but you do not stab your allies in the back. But then you can ask among others the Vietnamese, the Taliban or even the Iranians. They all had the same "Aha-moment" when they realized that the US is not to be trusted.
Kenneth Star investigated for months before the Republicans voted on an official impeachment inquiry. So that point from Mr T and the Republicans is moot.
Plus, it was the Republicans who changed the rules and gave the committees more subpoena power. They forgot at the time that "what goes around, comes around".
I fully agree, typical Mr T stalling and blaming others. But it is as usual hot air as he has no grounds to stand on.
Did you read the letter he sent to Congress? Half of it is legalese, the other half are political reasons why there should be no impeachment. As if those count in this process.
Tell that the thousands and thousands of girls and women that have been raped by ISIS .
Turkey has not been an ally per se, but through NATO. Remember, Turkey did not all the US to use the airbase in Turkey in the Iraq war, so not really 100% ally. Turkey was one of the last to join the alliance in WW2 when it was an opportune moment for them and thus the US never regarded them as a full ally.
Mr T thinks NATO is "obsolete", hence, the "ally thing" will not wash mack.
and it all ended in a damp squib. No hard feelings harry 
this is the thread that keeps giving, so don't want to spoil it, we've got the whole of 2020 yet to debate, filling me with joy the thought of it I can tell you - not!
Starr's legal fees must've been astronomical
the cogs were whirring for at least a minute or two...ahh dear, I think they say you can grow new brain cells, I'm desperate for a new batch/infusion 
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Here, be proud of your president Bone Spurs.
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BTW, more bombs have been dropped on Afghanistan this month than in any other month since 2010. That sure sounds like Mr T is bringing the troops home and is ending the wars.
Is this partly because, prior to peace negotiations, the taleban launched attacks and killed an american ?
The US have got themselves in a quagmire now or rather the hawks etc.. did this, if they leave they know regardless of agreements the taleban will basically takeover again. I suppose the US could provide air support from their other bases in the region, but there won't be any big military targets to strike, the taleban won't sit in big offices like a normal govt, but most likely run the country via the villages.
I understand why the US doesn't want to leave in terms of the sacrifice already made in the 17 years, just to hand the country back to the same people who were in control before the war started. Bush jnr should've been compelled [or cheney/rumsfield] to be the special envoy to sort it out, it was his call.
Watched General jack keane be interviewed by lou dobbs on this and the kurdish issue last night, he was getting agitated and rocking in his chair just because lou dared to question the wisdom of all this deployment and intevention.
One thing I would consider doing is dropping japanese knotweed seeds all over the blinking poppy/heroin crops, maybe that could stop them growing the stuff. [that's the sort of outside of the box thinking trump likes, war by other means ]
edit: just realised I've gone back on my intention to give this thread a steer for a few days d'oh!
Still wearing the blinders?
He said:
“Now, the Kurds are fighting for their land, just so you understand, they are fighting for their land. And as somebody wrote in a very, very powerful article today, they didn’t help us in the Second World War, they didn’t help us with Normandy as an example, they mentioned the names of different battles, but they’re there to help us with their land, and that’s a different thing."
So why is he supporting Saudi-Arabia and Israel for example? Did they help in WWII or Normandy? Are they not protecting their land too?
Oh I forgot, the Kurds are not paying cash. As I said, he sold them to the highest bidder, that's all that counts for Mr T. Plus in this case, he will do anything to deflect from the impeachment inquiry, anything.
And give me a break about his crocodile tears. It's fine to send 1,000s of soldiers to Saudi-Arabia or stocking up the number of troops to Afghanistan, etc ....the list is endless?
But let's agree. Wars have to end and it would be good to end them all. So please follow Mr T's call for America First and recall all your soldiers, close your 400+ army bases that are spread around the world and give up the petrodollar as well as renounce the Bretton Woods Agreement. Once you have done all that, we can talk about Mr T's crocodile tears. Until then it is just another con from Mr T you and other supporters are falling for, sadly.
I see the truth where you are blinded by some fancy words.
The three bottom paragraphs read like a 'conspiracy theory' you want to be careful believing those Harry
You could be right, the tricks john perkins describes in his economic hitman books and talks are probably alive and well imo, many major politicians, including hillary will have links to oligarchs and sheiks etc.., with shady bits going on, donations and influence etc... Donald's been in real estate, that's a prime area the oligarchs like to invest in as it's a tangible asset which can provide good income/capital, so no doubt his paths have crossed with many 'interesting' characters.
But it's a bit like hunter biden, tucker mentioned this, that many, many children/relatives of US politicians benefit from association. So you would have to pick on them all rather than one to be fair, ditto senators and congressman and donors. If trump is put under a microscope so should they be.
What establishment mack? Still buying the conspiracy theories?
He won because of 70,000 votes in three states gave him those electoral votes and thus the win. To turn around 70,000 voters doesn't look like an uphill battle to me. The 2018 midterms are the proof for that.
IMO, the Biden thing is not the "big crime" Mr T and his sycophants committed (although the one that will probably get him impeached), I see it more as "cherry on top" for Mr T.
I think, the "bigger ticket" with Ukraine is Naftogaz. I suggest you google Naftogaz and read what efforts Guiliani, some shady Russian-American businessmen (who could not pay court-ordered damages but out of the blue donated huge sums to Mr T's super PAC and reelection fund), Rick Perry and others made to have "friends" being put on the board of Naftogaz and tried to get gas contracts to go to Texan friends of Mr T.
Why else would Sondland get so heavily involved in Ukraine although it wasn't his responsibility? Mr T gave him the post as ambassador to the EU (not Ukraine which is not part of the EU) after he donated $1 million to Mr T's PAC and reelection campaign. If you read this guy's history, it is filled with strange deals.
As I said from the beginning, the ominous phone call is probably not even the tip of the iceberg. Plus, we don't know what other stuff Mr T has hidden in his super-secret vault.
Remember my post which you thought it reads like a conspiracy theory? Looks like the chickens are coming home to roost.
Exactly those people have been arrested today as they were trying to do a runner. They donated heavily to Mr T's reelection campaign, had lunch/dinner with him in the White House and assisted Inspector Clouseau aka Rudy Guiliani in Ukraine. Plus, they were pushing for having the US ambassador removed and Mr T happily obliged, after all, they paid cash.
And guess who is representing them in court? Manafort's lawyer!
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I said from the start that the Ukraine call was probably just the tip of the iceberg. And these events are surely not the end yet either.
Remember, Manafort gave Firtash the Mr T's polling data, Firtash then makes a huge donation to Mr T's inauguration - so this started well before Mr T's election.
Parnas and Fruman donated a huge amount to Mr T's Super Pac and crucially to Texas congressman Sessions (Republican). Plus, House Minority Leader Mc Carthy also got some dough, who now quickly made a statement that he will give the money to charity. Why only now? He happily accepted it. Also makes you wonder why McCarthy has been defending Mr T so ferociously.
Sessions then wrote to the state department to have the US ambassador to Ukraine removed because she was highlighting some of the corruption happening. Mr T happily obliged in May this year.
This is "Pay to Play" politics per excellence. Exactly the way Mr T operated all his adult life. Crooked to the core. He's selling the country to the highest bidder.
The question is now how many more people will Mr T take with him to the gutter.
