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Epstein had that island so who knows what was going on there. I don't think Trump or AG Bar had anything to do with the Epstein suicide, soon to be ruled a homicide it seems.

The border is 2000 miles but much of it has natural barriers.

This might be where I heard the 1 mile of new wall a week. I hope it doesn't trigger anyone.(lol)

Published on Jul 27, 2019


That'll be something if it's ruled a homicide, I will be astonished if that happens, I was wondering why Dr Siegel who appears on tucker's show hadn't been asked his opinion but it seems like he has now, and thinks it possibly was a homicide. A good point came up on another show, that the height of the bunk was quite low, and other bits to do with that which perhaps aren't right to discuss. I also wonder why the inside of the actual prison cell haven't been shown on television but his dead body being wheeled out has...

What I don't like about the whole epstein thing is it's another shady thing that has gone on, I thought the whole idea of trump was that he was going to simplify things and put order back into failing systems, reduce crime etc...as somebody who generally doesn't trust politicians and views suspicious events with suspicion, I can't give donald a total free pass here, the one thing in his favour is that I don't think the anti trump channels like CNN are pointing any fingers at him which normally they would given any half opportunity.

It's kind of surprising that the msm haven't, and leads me to think they prefer the suicide narrative rather than foul play [and they don't believe in any deep state existing that could carry out such actions]

Judge jeanine, she's one fiery lady :eek2: somebody was saying on twitter that fox were sacking her, but I couldn't see anything.

Sounds like the border wall might get finished if they can up the distance covered each week. I think even people opposed to it should see it as an investment to cut drug smuggling and people trafficking, if nothing else. Immigrants can still legally apply for residency/citizenship and be judged on merit.

I don't see why it should offend/trigger anyone, ideally it wouldn't need to be built in the first place, central and south americans would have countries that they would be happy to live in, with no drug cartels and gangs spreading misery, but they've yet to be able to solve their ongoing decades long problems. If trump was trying to build a wall along the canadian border, I would think he was mad and obsessed with walls, but I think it's the drug crime and illegal immigration he objects to.

This clip I watched last night was quite interesting, tucker and dobbs discussing the wall a while back, with mitch mcconnell on audio just casually saying 'no, we probably won't' (agree the funding for the wall) and that was when the republicans still controlled congress :rolleyes:

 
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That'll be something if it's ruled a homicide, I will be astonished if that happens, I was wondering why Dr Siegel who appears on tucker's show hadn't been asked his opinion but it seems like he has now, and thinks it possibly was a homicide. A good point came up on another show, that the height of the bunk was quite low, and other bits to do with that which perhaps aren't right to discuss. I also wonder why the inside of the actual prison cell haven't been shown on television but his dead body being wheeled out has...

What I don't like about the whole epstein thing is it's another shady thing that has gone on, I thought the whole idea of trump was that he was going to simplify things and put order back into failing systems, reduce crime etc...as somebody who generally doesn't trust politicians and views suspicious events with suspicion, I can't give donald a total free pass here, the one thing in his favour is that I don't think the anti trump channels like CNN are pointing any fingers at him which normally they would given any half opportunity.

It's kind of surprising that the msm haven't, and leads me to think they prefer the suicide narrative rather than foul play [and they don't believe in any deep state existing that could carry out such actions]

Judge jeanine, she's one fiery lady :eek2: somebody was saying on twitter that fox were sacking her, but I couldn't see anything.

Sounds like the border wall might get finished if they can up the distance covered each week. I think even people opposed to it should see it as an investment to cut drug smuggling and people trafficking, if nothing else. Immigrants can still legally apply for residency/citizenship and be judged on merit.

I don't see why it should offend/trigger anyone, ideally it wouldn't need to be built in the first place, central and south americans would have countries that they would be happy to live in, with no drug cartels and gangs spreading misery, but they've yet to be able to solve their ongoing decades long problems. If trump was trying to build a wall along the canadian border, I would think he was mad and obsessed with walls, but I think it's the drug crime and illegal immigration he objects to.

This clip I watched last night was quite interesting, tucker and dobbs discussing the wall a while back, with mitch mcconnell on audio just casually saying 'no, we probably won't' (agree the funding for the wall) and that was when the republicans still controlled congress :rolleyes:



You should go read the President Trump thread. I read first 20 pages last week and it got pretty heated early on and it was closed on the wall debate (by my post actually), seemed to be a lot of outrage over building it.

I didn't see them wheel Epstein's body out but I hear he had dirt on everyone, the Royals, a Saudi Prince, so who knows. I heard he was taping everyone who visited his island. Early on the Fox Business shows were questioning where he earned his billions, maybe he was blackmailing?

I'm not a big fan of Mitch McConnell, he's too political and seems too much like part of the swamp. I'm with Lou Dobbs, they're all sellouts to one degree or another.
 
@slotplayer & @mack341

Let's bring you two back a little from fantasy land. Been searching for a fitting video. :)

I am amazed time and again at the fawning of you guys at Mr T. Keep it up!
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I actually dreamt about this thread, no joke. In fact it was the last 'thought' I remembered before waking up!

See how this thread embeds itself into one's subconscious :mad:

I was having a pretty bad argument with someone on here, I think it was Vorcicron. Sorry Vorcicron :thumbsup:

Don't ask me the finer points. But it all happened here.

Thanks, Trump :eek2:
 
Wow so in your dreams this thread came to your mind.

You then turned your attention to Vorcircon who happened to suddenly have a sore head which led to you having a bad argument.

Glad you never went into the finer points:eek2:

But so grateful that you shared an insight into what happens in your mind:)
 
I actually dreamt about this thread, no joke. In fact it was the last 'thought' I remembered before waking up!

See how this thread embeds itself into one's subconscious :mad:

I was having a pretty bad argument with someone on here, I think it was Vorcicron. Sorry Vorcicron :thumbsup:

Don't ask me the finer points. But it all happened here.

Thanks, Trump :eek2:

You're still dreaming. But once you wake up...remember that Trump is bad...mmmkay? Like really really bad...mmmkay?
 
Sounds like the border wall might get finished if they can up the distance covered each week. I think even people opposed to it should see it as an investment to cut drug smuggling and people trafficking, if nothing else. Immigrants can still legally apply for residency/citizenship and be judged on merit.

I don't see why it should offend/trigger anyone, ideally it wouldn't need to be built in the first place, central and south americans would have countries that they would be happy to live in, with no drug cartels and gangs spreading misery, but they've yet to be able to solve their ongoing decades long problems. If trump was trying to build a wall along the canadian border, I would think he was mad and obsessed with walls, but I think it's the drug crime and illegal immigration he objects to.

This clip I watched last night was quite interesting, tucker and dobbs discussing the wall a while back, with mitch mcconnell on audio just casually saying 'no, we probably won't' (agree the funding for the wall) and that was when the republicans still controlled congress :rolleyes:




Mack one more time, please leave the "blinded and ignorant group". :rolleyes:

First, if you read the CBP reports all have a small note like this one or similar:

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Not a single yard of completely new wall has been built to date! All appropriated funds were and still are for replacement projects. Something, which had bipartisan support.

Second, through a variety of EOs and directives, Mr T massively restricted the number of people who are allowed to enter the US via the entry ports legally to apply for asylum. In clear words, he is pushing them to try it in between the ports because they face long waiting times in Mexico. I think the worst was one port accepting 3 asylum applications per day.

Third, according to international asylum law (as mandated by the UN Charta), it does not matter how you enter a country and claim asylum. It is not illegal to enter in between the ports and submit an asylum claim, hence, those crossers cannot be deemed an "illegal aliens". Everyone has the right to make his/her case as to why they should qualify for asylum. This was specifically inserted into the Charta as refugees fleeing were seen as a higher priority than a country's border. The US ratified the UN Charta decades ago.

There are of course a few questionable loopholes in the Charta and Mr T is trying to use all of them, only to be sued in court and losing the absolute majority of cases.

However, those crossing in between ports for other reasons are indeed "illegal aliens".

Easy to point to the drug cartels. Have you asked yourself why they exist? Maybe because the US is the largest market for narcotics, a trend that started in the late '60s. Hence, I could say the US caused the misery in Central / South America in the first place, couldn't I?
 
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Mack one more time, please leave the "blinded and ignorant group". :rolleyes:

First, if you read the CBP reports all have a small note like this one or similar:

View attachment 112854

Not a single yard of completely new wall has been built to date! All appropriated funds were and still are for replacement projects. Something, which had bipartisan support.

Second, through a variety of EOs and directives, Mr T massively restricted the number of people who are allowed to enter the US via the entry ports legally to apply for asylum. In clear words, he is pushing them to try it in between the ports because they face long waiting times in Mexico. I think the worst was one port accepting 3 asylum applications per day.

Third, according to international asylum law (as mandated by the UN Charta), it does not matter how you enter a country and claim asylum. It is not illegal to enter in between the ports and submit an asylum claim, hence, those crossers cannot be deemed an "illegal aliens". Everyone has the right to make his/her case as to why they should qualify for asylum. This was specifically inserted into the Charta as refugees fleeing were seen as a higher priority than a country's border. The US ratified the UN Charta decades ago.

There are of course a few questionable loopholes in the Charta and Mr T is trying to use all of them, only to be sued in court and losing the absolute majority of cases.

However, those crossing in between ports for other reasons are indeed "illegal aliens".

Easy to point to the drug cartels. Have you asked yourself why they exist? Maybe because the US is the largest market for narcotics, a trend that started in the late '60s. Hence, I could say the US caused the misery in Central / South America in the first place, couldn't I?

It is a big mess, I guess the wall appeals to trump voters as they see it solving or helping to solve the problems caused by the criminal element from central and south america...not all the average people, could be 10% that are wishing/willing to commit crime.

Every action has a reaction, sometimes unknown at the outset or unintended, the wall if it ever gets built along with stricter immigration rules, could have a positive effect on those countries where the people are trying to escape from, as with no escape option to the US the people could turn their energy instead onto changing their countries from within. Also the drug cartels could lose lots of money and thus their influence to corrupt politicians and authority. These are possible positive side effects that I could see happening, may take a few decades, so not an instant benefit.

I think the usa could do more to pressure those governments to clean up their act, they place sanctions on far away places like syria and iran, russia, why not freeze money connected to corruption in those neighbouring countries to the south. They showed a willingness to interfere in venezuela but perhaps some of the other countries are more of a problem, not sure if venezuela grows and trafficks lots of drugs to the us

I don't blame the mexicans etc.. for wanting to move to get a better life, however it's not a realistic solution in the long term. The USA's social problems will only get worse and the countries to the south will never reform themselves. Anywhere around the world, high population = poverty, take india for example, investing billions on a space program while children beg in the street and live in horrific conditions. It's wrong, I believe in countries and governments doing right by their own citizens. The usa's population is big enough now, and they're in 20 trillion dollars of debt and growing.

I watched a bit of trumps rally yesterday and I wasn't impressed by his half-joke that the people had no choice but to vote for him, I think there is a real possibility that he's been playing his base, not saying he doesn't believe in the things he campaigned on, about the wall and balance of trade, jobs, foreign conflicts etc...but overstating what he has achieved so far and overestimating what he can achieve in the future

The political establishment, republican and democrat don't like his world and domestic views, and when he's gone it will be back to business as usual.
 
It is a big mess, I guess the wall appeals to trump voters as they see it solving or helping to solve the problems caused by the criminal element from central and south america...not all the average people, could be 10% that are wishing/willing to commit crime.

Every action has a reaction, sometimes unknown at the outset or unintended, the wall if it ever gets built along with stricter immigration rules, could have a positive effect on those countries where the people are trying to escape from, as with no escape option to the US the people could turn their energy instead onto changing their countries from within. Also the drug cartels could lose lots of money and thus their influence to corrupt politicians and authority. These are possible positive side effects that I could see happening, may take a few decades, so not an instant benefit.

I think the usa could do more to pressure those governments to clean up their act, they place sanctions on far away places like syria and iran, russia, why not freeze money connected to corruption in those neighbouring countries to the south. They showed a willingness to interfere in venezuela but perhaps some of the other countries are more of a problem, not sure if venezuela grows and trafficks lots of drugs to the us

I don't blame the mexicans etc.. for wanting to move to get a better life, however it's not a realistic solution in the long term. The USA's social problems will only get worse and the countries to the south will never reform themselves. Anywhere around the world, high population = poverty, take india for example, investing billions on a space program while children beg in the street and live in horrific conditions. It's wrong, I believe in countries and governments doing right by their own citizens. The usa's population is big enough now, and they're in 20 trillion dollars of debt and growing.

I watched a bit of trumps rally yesterday and I wasn't impressed by his half-joke that the people had no choice but to vote for him, I think there is a real possibility that he's been playing his base, not saying he doesn't believe in the things he campaigned on, about the wall and balance of trade, jobs, foreign conflicts etc...but overstating what he has achieved so far and overestimating what he can achieve in the future

The political establishment, republican and democrat don't like his world and domestic views, and when he's gone it will be back to business as usual.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants currently in the US arrived with a normal VISA and overstayed it. They entered legally via ports of entry or airports.

The people arriving at the Southern Border are to the largest extent deported back home pretty quickly as they fail the first "credible fear" interview. The rest is getting a date in court to present their case. Don't remember the exact numbers but it might be in the single digits percentage-wise.

Hence, the entire invasion/illegal immigration braggadocio from Mr T is simply another "con man" show. :rolleyes:

FYI, Obama deported more people than Mr T and with much less "brouhaha". The focus was though on criminals.

Same goes for the drugs, over 90% come in via ports of entry, on land or by sea. The stuff in between entry points is just a fraction and the wall would basically help nothing.

I agree though, a wall can be seen as a psychological deterrent in that you cannot simply enter the place/country etc. That is engrained in our brains from millennia ago when a wall was indeed a powerful defence.

I don't think mentioning India is a good idea because the UK is largely responsible for the problems. It also applies to most other countries who have been under colonial occupation be it Spanish, British, French, Dutch, Portuguese etc. The countries have been pillaged for centuries with no remorse (according to some historical records the Dutch were the most barbaric) and now we basically tell them to "F**k off" and sort the problems themselves. Remember there was a time were we, today's Western World, didn't bother about their borders and just invaded their countries. Now we ask them to respect our borders, sounds rather hypocritical. :rolleyes:

Mr T sounded at the rally like a very desperate "secondhand car salesman" trying to flock a rusted car nobody wants. The hall was about 2/3 full and I am sure he will brag again at how many they had to keep outside because it was a sell-out.
 
"Kim Jong-un and Korean scientists formulated a miracle drug, according to Newsweek – a combination of ginseng and “rare earth elements” that, with one injection, can cure or treat Aids, Ebola, many cancers, heart disease, impotence, the common cold, “harm from use of computers”, epilepsy, all forms of hepatitis, venereal disease and ageing. It also, for some reason, renders its users “anti-radioactive.” "

Is this true?
Sounds a bit "out there", but according to Mulder, thats where the truth is.. soooo.. true?
I cant wait to become anti-radioactive.
 
"Kim Jong-un and Korean scientists formulated a miracle drug, according to Newsweek – a combination of ginseng and “rare earth elements” that, with one injection, can cure or treat Aids, Ebola, many cancers, heart disease, impotence, the common cold, “harm from use of computers”, epilepsy, all forms of hepatitis, venereal disease and ageing. It also, for some reason, renders its users “anti-radioactive.” "

Is this true?
Sounds a bit "out there", but according to Mulder, thats where the truth is.. soooo.. true?
I cant wait to become anti-radioactive.

Ginseng is good stuff, newsweek is that a credible site?
 
The vast majority of illegal immigrants currently in the US arrived with a normal VISA and overstayed it. They entered legally via ports of entry or airports.

The people arriving at the Southern Border are to the largest extent deported back home pretty quickly as they fail the first "credible fear" interview. The rest is getting a date in court to present their case. Don't remember the exact numbers but it might be in the single digits percentage-wise.

Hence, the entire invasion/illegal immigration braggadocio from Mr T is simply another "con man" show. :rolleyes:

FYI, Obama deported more people than Mr T and with much less "brouhaha". The focus was though on criminals.

Same goes for the drugs, over 90% come in via ports of entry, on land or by sea. The stuff in between entry points is just a fraction and the wall would basically help nothing.

I agree though, a wall can be seen as a psychological deterrent in that you cannot simply enter the place/country etc. That is engrained in our brains from millennia ago when a wall was indeed a powerful defence.

I don't think mentioning India is a good idea because the UK is largely responsible for the problems. It also applies to most other countries who have been under colonial occupation be it Spanish, British, French, Dutch, Portuguese etc. The countries have been pillaged for centuries with no remorse (according to some historical records the Dutch were the most barbaric) and now we basically tell them to "F**k off" and sort the problems themselves. Remember there was a time were we, today's Western World, didn't bother about their borders and just invaded their countries. Now we ask them to respect our borders, sounds rather hypocritical. :rolleyes:

Mr T sounded at the rally like a very desperate "secondhand car salesman" trying to flock a rusted car nobody wants. The hall was about 2/3 full and I am sure he will brag again at how many they had to keep outside because it was a sell-out.

Why is mentioning india such a bad idea, it has 1 and a quarter billion people. And how is the uk largely responsible for India spending billions on a space program while infants beg on it's streets and live in slums? [remember they have a caste system too]

Can you name me a country with a high population that hasn't got poverty/crime issues, I think countries with smaller populations have a lot less problems, the scandinavian countries, canada, etc...

The top 10 highest populations in order are: china, india, usa, indonesia, brazil, pakistan, nigeria, bangladesh, russia, mexico.

I think you'd have to accept that what 'we' did in the past in terms of colonialism wasn't driven by the average person in the street, there wasn't a democratic 'say' in those days for the general population, it was the upper echelons driving things.

And it's largely the upper echelons now who insist on immigration and globalisation/govt, whereas the average person is saying borders and nation state democracy needs to be respected. Hence brexit and trump, the people are not being hypocritical because of colonialism. The corporations and institutions like the EU/world bank are still trying to fleece the third world and keep them down, while at the same time supporting corrupt regimes imo.

Trump's campaign policies of restricting immigration, bringing back jobs and soldiers are all opposed by the dem/rep establishment. There are probably more [late abortion?] I've always said trump isn't my idea of a perfect president, but compared to hillary and previous presidents and what went on in their time, I think he does get unfair treatment, and receives biased coverage. It even goes on here in the uk by liberal [govt owned] tv channels like channel 4 and the bbc, they are always seeking to attack trump and yet he's not our president, but it's the populist ideas he campaigned on that they despise really and wish to block and discredit.
 
Why is mentioning india such a bad idea, it has 1 and a quarter billion people. And how is the uk largely responsible for India spending billions on a space program while infants beg on it's streets and live in slums? [remember they have a caste system too]

Can you name me a country with a high population that hasn't got poverty/crime issues, I think countries with smaller populations have a lot less problems, the scandinavian countries, canada, etc...

The top 10 highest populations in order are: china, india, usa, indonesia, brazil, pakistan, nigeria, bangladesh, russia, mexico.

I think you'd have to accept that what 'we' did in the past in terms of colonialism wasn't driven by the average person in the street, there wasn't a democratic 'say' in those days for the general population, it was the upper echelons driving things.

And it's largely the upper echelons now who insist on immigration and globalisation/govt, whereas the average person is saying borders and nation state democracy needs to be respected. Hence brexit and trump, the people are not being hypocritical because of colonialism. The corporations and institutions like the EU/world bank are still trying to fleece the third world and keep them down, while at the same time supporting corrupt regimes imo.

Trump's campaign policies of restricting immigration, bringing back jobs and soldiers are all opposed by the dem/rep establishment. There are probably more [late abortion?] I've always said trump isn't my idea of a perfect president, but compared to hillary and previous presidents and what went on in their time, I think he does get unfair treatment, and receives biased coverage. It even goes on here in the uk by liberal [govt owned] tv channels like channel 4 and the bbc, they are always seeking to attack trump and yet he's not our president, but it's the populist ideas he campaigned on that they despise really and wish to block and discredit.

I wonder what kind of coverage Trump should get for it to be unbiased in your opinion? He is a white nationalist basically. All he does is attacking people. He does not try to build any kind of unity ever.

And you need to remember that the majority of americans DIDN'T vote for him. Even with as crappy candidate as Hillary Clinton...he still managed to lose the popular vote. That's how crappy he is and people really don't like his policies. People only like the economy. And now with many great candidates that the democrats have...I just can't see him winning. I still haven't seen any kind of ideas what he would have for his next term...have you?
 
I wonder what kind of coverage Trump should get for it to be unbiased in your opinion? He is a white nationalist basically. All he does is attacking people. He does not try to build any kind of unity ever.

And you need to remember that the majority of americans DIDN'T vote for him. Even with as crappy candidate as Hillary Clinton...he still managed to lose the popular vote. That's how crappy he is and people really don't like his policies. People only like the economy. And now with many great candidates that the democrats have...I just can't see him winning. I still haven't seen any kind of ideas what he would have for his next term...have you?

How are you going to increase unity by having an open borders policy? Despite what harry says, I'm convinced that is the sentiment of the democrats, especially the antifa and sjws. Whereas bill clinton use to speak about immigration in a similar way to trump:




Honestly, what would be the response to a democrat candidate speaking in the same way now ? Why has the policy changed, what has changed in terms of the social problems facing the country then and now, if anything the problems are worse...

Trump is rehashing his 2016 policies but also using the more extreme positions the democrats want to adopt against them, so 'if you don't want america to go down that route, vote for me' kind of campaigning.

I'm not sure the dem candidates are all that strong, obviously the most popular one will be the nominee, not sure hillary was the most popular one in 2016, she was a bit of a divisive figure.

It could be elizabeth warren, she comes across as a more genuine do gooder than kamala harris who is probably her main female opponent, it will be interesting to see who warren chooses as a potential vp, I'm assuming for balance she'd choose a man. Trump went for straight laced pence, who you hardly hear anything from, I think trump ought to delegate more to pence, build up his persona a bit.
 
The vast majority of illegal immigrants currently in the US arrived with a normal VISA and overstayed it. They entered legally via ports of entry or airports.

The people arriving at the Southern Border are to the largest extent deported back home pretty quickly as they fail the first "credible fear" interview. The rest is getting a date in court to present their case. Don't remember the exact numbers but it might be in the single digits percentage-wise.

Hence, the entire invasion/illegal immigration braggadocio from Mr T is simply another "con man" show. :rolleyes:

FYI, Obama deported more people than Mr T and with much less "brouhaha". The focus was though on criminals.

Same goes for the drugs, over 90% come in via ports of entry, on land or by sea. The stuff in between entry points is just a fraction and the wall would basically help nothing.

I agree though, a wall can be seen as a psychological deterrent in that you cannot simply enter the place/country etc. That is engrained in our brains from millennia ago when a wall was indeed a powerful defence.

I don't think mentioning India is a good idea because the UK is largely responsible for the problems. It also applies to most other countries who have been under colonial occupation be it Spanish, British, French, Dutch, Portuguese etc. The countries have been pillaged for centuries with no remorse (according to some historical records the Dutch were the most barbaric) and now we basically tell them to "F**k off" and sort the problems themselves. Remember there was a time were we, today's Western World, didn't bother about their borders and just invaded their countries. Now we ask them to respect our borders, sounds rather hypocritical. :rolleyes:

Mr T sounded at the rally like a very desperate "secondhand car salesman" trying to flock a rusted car nobody wants. The hall was about 2/3 full and I am sure he will brag again at how many they had to keep outside because it was a sell-out.

The backlog is 900 thousand waiting for an asylum court date.
31% of the girls are sexually assaulted on their journey.
The number thrown around for visa over stayers was 40%. I don't know if that's changed

I heard T had 11 thousand inside and 5k outside.
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I heard Warren had 700 at her New Hampshire rally.

btw, the poplulation of New Hampshire is about 1 million people.

Warren can beat Trump in a debate.
 
I wonder what kind of coverage Trump should get for it to be unbiased in your opinion? He is a white nationalist basically. All he does is attacking people. He does not try to build any kind of unity ever.

And you need to remember that the majority of americans DIDN'T vote for him. Even with as crappy candidate as Hillary Clinton...he still managed to lose the popular vote. That's how crappy he is and people really don't like his policies. People only like the economy. And now with many great candidates that the democrats have...I just can't see him winning. I still haven't seen any kind of ideas what he would have for his next term...have you?

Trump is a Nationalist or a Populist not a White Nationalist. If he was there would masses protesting outside the white house demanding he resign.
 
How are you going to increase unity by having an open borders policy? Despite what harry says, I'm convinced that is the sentiment of the democrats, especially the antifa and sjws. Whereas bill clinton use to speak about immigration in a similar way to trump:




Honestly, what would be the response to a democrat candidate speaking in the same way now ? Why has the policy changed, what has changed in terms of the social problems facing the country then and now, if anything the problems are worse...

Trump is rehashing his 2016 policies but also using the more extreme positions the democrats want to adopt against them, so 'if you don't want america to go down that route, vote for me' kind of campaigning.

I'm not sure the dem candidates are all that strong, obviously the most popular one will be the nominee, not sure hillary was the most popular one in 2016, she was a bit of a divisive figure.

It could be elizabeth warren, she comes across as a more genuine do gooder than kamala harris who is probably her main female opponent, it will be interesting to see who warren chooses as a potential vp, I'm assuming for balance she'd choose a man. Trump went for straight laced pence, who you hardly hear anything from, I think trump ought to delegate more to pence, build up his persona a bit.


You're going to increase unity by negotiating and respecting each other. Unless your definition of unity is to have a hive mind where everyone needs to think like Trump does. Trump is supposed to be the president for the whole country. He's completely failing in that. Did you see Obama attacking republicans or some states or cities?

Trump doesn't have any kind of leadership qualities. No one respects him. Not even his own team that keeps changing constantly. If he had some kind of leadership qualities...he could've gotten many deals already with democrats. But no...he's just totally useless wannabe dictator.

But yeah Warren and Buttigieg are my favorites from dems. Harris would be good too...Biden is just a safe choice to win the presidency.
 
The backlog is 900 thousand waiting for an asylum court date.
31% of the girls are sexually assaulted on their journey.
The number thrown around for visa over stayers was 40%. I don't know if that's changed

I heard T had 11 thousand inside and 5k outside.
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I heard Warren had 700 at her New Hampshire rally.

btw, the poplulation of New Hampshire is about 1 million people.

Warren can beat Trump in a debate.

Slotplayer what did you make of trump's joke to the rally audience that they had no choice but to vote for him, I thought it was an odd comment to make, an unfriendly joke as it were, the sort of thing a boss would say to employees.

Did a mask slip and that's what he really feels is the reality facing america, the crowd cheered it so it didn't bother them but I noticed it has featured a lot in the tv segments showing highlights of the rally.
 
Slotplayer what did you make of trump's joke to the rally audience that they had no choice but to vote for him, I thought it was an odd comment to make, an unfriendly joke as it were, the sort of thing a boss would say to employees.

Did a mask slip and that's what he really feels is the reality facing america, the crowd cheered it so it didn't bother them but I noticed it has featured a lot in the tv segments showing highlights of the rally.

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Gotta get a crowd no matter what :P
 
Slotplayer what did you make of trump's joke to the rally audience that they had no choice but to vote for him, I thought it was an odd comment to make, an unfriendly joke as it were, the sort of thing a boss would say to employees.

Did a mask slip and that's what he really feels is the reality facing america, the crowd cheered it so it didn't bother them but I noticed it has featured a lot in the tv segments showing highlights of the rally.

I thought it was a little odd but I wasn't bothered by it either. I'm sure he's looking at his favorable ratings, somewhere in the mid 40 percentile.

If the election were held today Trump would lose to the top 4 candidates, Biden, Warren, Sanders, Harris.
 
You're going to increase unity by negotiating and respecting each other. Unless your definition of unity is to have a hive mind where everyone needs to think like Trump does. Trump is supposed to be the president for the whole country. He's completely failing in that. Did you see Obama attacking republicans or some states or cities?

Trump doesn't have any kind of leadership qualities. No one respects him. Not even his own team that keeps changing constantly. If he had some kind of leadership qualities...he could've gotten many deals already with democrats. But no...he's just totally useless wannabe dictator.

But yeah Warren and Buttigieg are my favorites from dems. Harris would be good too...Biden is just a safe choice to win the presidency.




 


So now Baltimore gets fixed 'cause Trump tweeted some nasty things about it? :p What a saviour! Maybe he should start to hate tweet about whole US and the country gets fixed?
There are plenty of great people in US who really want to help other people. Trump just isn't one of them so he needs to go. You need someone who actually cares about the whole country.
I wouldn't mind seeing some republican challenging him. Someone who can actually unite people.
 
Why is mentioning india such a bad idea, it has 1 and a quarter billion people. And how is the uk largely responsible for India spending billions on a space program while infants beg on it's streets and live in slums? [remember they have a caste system too]

Can you name me a country with a high population that hasn't got poverty/crime issues, I think countries with smaller populations have a lot less problems, the scandinavian countries, canada, etc...

The top 10 highest populations in order are: china, india, usa, indonesia, brazil, pakistan, nigeria, bangladesh, russia, mexico.

I think you'd have to accept that what 'we' did in the past in terms of colonialism wasn't driven by the average person in the street, there wasn't a democratic 'say' in those days for the general population, it was the upper echelons driving things.

And it's largely the upper echelons now who insist on immigration and globalisation/govt, whereas the average person is saying borders and nation state democracy needs to be respected. Hence brexit and trump, the people are not being hypocritical because of colonialism. The corporations and institutions like the EU/world bank are still trying to fleece the third world and keep them down, while at the same time supporting corrupt regimes imo.

Trump's campaign policies of restricting immigration, bringing back jobs and soldiers are all opposed by the dem/rep establishment. There are probably more [late abortion?] I've always said trump isn't my idea of a perfect president, but compared to hillary and previous presidents and what went on in their time, I think he does get unfair treatment, and receives biased coverage. It even goes on here in the uk by liberal [govt owned] tv channels like channel 4 and the bbc, they are always seeking to attack trump and yet he's not our president, but it's the populist ideas he campaigned on that they despise really and wish to block and discredit.

You do know that for centuries colonial powers extracted an unimaginable wealth from their colonies without paying a single cent while at the same time prohibiting their progress by denying them access to education, creating businesses etc.? If you look at most countries who were colonies they all have one thing in common. They're trying to "catch up" and some do it with projects that they think will put them on a level footing with the "Western" world or better said their past "colonial masters".

Every country as poverty/crimes issues, some more some less, no matter what the size. Guatemala, Honduras etc - very small populations.

Hiding all the time behind "oh it was the higher powers" who caused all the problems is simply an easy escape route to avoid taking responsibility. The only ones directed by the leaders in the colonial era was the military, the rest who were sailing to the colonies did it to pillage what was on offer and make themselves rich.

And yet again "upper echelons" - I don't know mack, put it looks like you have some psychological complex (for the lack of a better word)... In your posts, you are always shifting blame to somebody.

Please post some examples how the EU is fleecing the third world! One would suffice.

Yet again pitying Mr T for the "unfair coverage". And again, please look back at the coverage of past presidents. He's receiving to the largest part te coverage he deserves.

Here is one statement that popped up today on my newsfeed when I opened my browser. I think it explains it very well. Mr T is and always was a spoiled child who is used to get what he wants, no matter what the consequences are. That is not how you run a company, let alone a country.

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Please post some examples how the EU is fleecing the third world! One would suffice.

The EU is keeping poor countries poor:

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"Take its tariff regime, which sets higher tariffs for more processed products. Raw coffee beans, for instance, can be exported to the EU tariff-free, while roasted coffee is subject to a 7.5 percent tariff. If the coffee is decaffeinated, the tariff rises to 9 percent. The same goes for chocolate – cacao beans have no tariff, but chocolate bars are subject to a 30 percent tariff. "

"This is no accident. It is designed to stop countries such as Ethiopia and Ghana processing their own produce and then exporting it, which EU leaders fear would threaten the lucrative food industry in Europe. Producers are instead encouraged to export the raw produce while the “generous” EU ensures that developing countries take only a fraction of their potential profit, preserving the spoils for itself. In fact, in 2014, Germany earned more from coffee exports than all of Africa combined. "

The EU also harms local fishing industries. Having instituted rigorous fishing quotas in Europe, the EU makes deals with various West African countries to allow its large trawlers to fish on a massive scale in those countries’ waters. Mauritania, for instance, has allowed the EU to fish in its waters for over 25 years, in return for around £1 billion.

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and from the guardian newspaper:

"Nothing symbolises the EU’s problematic behaviour better than its own history of protectionism. According to one analysis, of the 7,000 harmful trade measures implemented by countries across the globe since 2009,
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have come from the EU. If Africa needs a Trump, it’s in no small part because of the ways in which the liberal, rights-loving EU has screwed it. The common agricultural policy (CAP) seriously distorted commodity markets, depressing prices for African maize, sugar and beef and
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many African countries should have had in a free marketplace. "

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from a website called TRT world:

“The fact is that the natural resources (fuel, gold, gas etc.) of most, if not all, African countries… are still being syphoned off through offshore companies that, to a large extent, are linked to European and American companies and businessmen.
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, anonymous companies (about 1,400 in total) and tax havens are used to exploit the natural wealth of some of the world's poorest countries”.

In addition to Kamel’s claims, a
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that Africa is estimated to be losing more than $50 billion annually.

According to the report, estimates prove that, over the last 50 years, the continent has lost “in excess of $1 trillion in illicit financial flows” that are operated by Western corporations.

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– mainly former French colonies –are obligated to maintain at least 50 per cent of their monetary reserves in the French Treasury.

These countries, including Senegal, Burkina Faso, Ivory Coast, Mali and Niger, have no control over their monetary policies. France, by maintaining its post-colonial hegemony, makes billions of euros from African countries’ reserves.

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European milk is pouring into Africa, with disastrous effects for local herders and farmers.

Multibillion-euro dairy multinationals are exploiting rock-bottom European milk prices to expand aggressively into West Africa. Over five years, they have nearly tripled their exports to the region, shipping milk powder produced by heavily subsidized European farmers to be transformed into liquid milk for the region's booming middle class.

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from FEE [foundation for economic education]

Forty years of international aid transfers have left Latin America with a foreign debt of $430 billion, sub-Sahara Africa with per capita incomes lower today than they were in the 1970s, and India with an annual per capita income of around $300.

Much aid has been wasted in poorly planned, ill-administered projects of little benefit-such as crop-storage depots built where peasants never go, or funds allotted to buy a profitable private bus line in India and turn it into a money-losing public enterprise. Billions of dollars, collected from middle-class taxpayers of the West, have “aided” Third World elites to possess grand estates, private zoos, classic car collections, and Swiss bank accounts.


Basically there is a 'carve up' still going on, involving the usa, eu, imf/world bank etc... why do you think china is investing in africa, to get a piece of the action.

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"Hiding all the time behind "oh it was the higher powers" who caused all the problems is simply an easy escape route to avoid taking responsibility. The only ones directed by the leaders in the colonial era was the military, the rest who were sailing to the colonies did it to pillage what was on offer and make themselves rich. "


You've heard of the east india company?

from wikipedia

"On 22 September 1599, a group of merchants met and stated their intention "to venture in the pretended voyage to the East Indies (the which it may please the Lord to prosper), and the sums that they will adventure", committing £30,133. Two days later, "the Adventurers" reconvened and resolved to apply to the Queen for support of the project. Although their first attempt had not been completely successful, they nonetheless sought the Queen's unofficial approval to continue. They bought ships for their venture and increased their capital to £68,373.

The Adventurers convened again a year later, on 31 December, and this time they succeeded; the Queen granted a
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, and 215
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" under the name, Governor and Company of Merchants of London trading with the East Indies.
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For a period of fifteen years, the charter awarded the newly formed company a monopoly on English trade with all countries east of the
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and west of the
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Any traders in breach of the charter without a licence from the company were liable to forfeiture of their ships and cargo (half of which went to the Crown and the other half to the company), as well as imprisonment at the "royal pleasure".
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The governance of the company was in the hands of one governor and 24
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or "committees", who made up the Court of Directors. They, in turn, reported to the Court of Proprietors, which appointed them. Ten committees reported to the Court of Directors. According to tradition, business was initially transacted at the Nags Head Inn, opposite
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church in
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[Sir James Lancaster commanded the first East India Company voyage in 1601. Wealthy merchants and
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owned the EIC's shares. Initially the government owned no shares and had only indirect control until 1657 when permanent joint stock was established ]


And yet again "upper echelons" - I don't know mack, put it looks like you have some psychological complex (for the lack of a better word)... In your posts, you are always shifting blame to somebody.

These were not the average people in the street, I think to say they would be amongst the upper echelons is fair and historically accurate, to say western countries policies during those centurys were decided by the average man in the street is historically wrong therefore why should they take the primary blame for the pillaging?

I suppose the blame must not be shifted from the real sinners, the kind of person who would vote for brexit or trump...
 
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Harry said one example, not one letter, as an example :laugh: Or, a reference to their regulation of British Tea?;)

I don't know what happened there, seems like pressing certain keys by accident on the keyboard posts the draft. Tea though no doubt does play a part somewhere. I'm also parched now after all this home work harry set me to do, so I'm off to make a brew :laugh:
 
I don't know what happened there, seems like pressing certain keys by accident on the keyboard posts the draft. Tea though no doubt does play a part somewhere. I'm also parched now after all this home work harry set me to do, so I'm off to make a brew :laugh:

You're on top of your game lately.

The Boston Tea Party was a revolt against taxation without representation on tea from the East India Tea Company.
 
I’m laughing so hard.


1. You mention that the Bible is your favorite book !!!
2. What are your favorite Bible verses ? - I don't want to get into it
3. The Bible means a lot to me
4. Are you a New or Old testament guy ? - Probably equal
5. The Bible is just incredible
6. The Bible is special

 
I’m laughing so hard.


1. You mention that the Bible is your favorite book !!!
2. What are your favorite Bible verses ? - I don't want to get into it
3. The Bible means a lot to me
4. Are you a New or Old testament guy ? - Probably equal
5. The Bible is just incredible
6. The Bible is special



"I am the chosen one!" Mr T said yesterday!
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Seriously though, anyone still thinking he is fit to be president or anything else that requires some responsibility after yesterday's instalment of his trash TV show "Chopper Talk", is either completely deaf or simply does not want to admit that it was a complete mistake to vote for him. :rolleyes:

But you can see how is already hedging for a possible election loss next year, blaming all and everyone but himself for any trouble or problems.
 
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Seriously though, anyone still thinking he is fit to be president or anything else that requires some responsibility after yesterday's instalment of his trash TV show "Chopped Talk", is either completely deaf or simply does not want to admit that it was a complete mistake to vote for him. :rolleyes:

But you can see how is already hedging for a possible election loss next year, blaming all and everyone but himself for any trouble or problems.

Cant blame him for not reading the bible, i mean come on!

 
"The Bible - great. It's great. The greatest. Adam and Eve, real hard-working Americans. The Old Testament- terrific. I only had mine checked last week and was given the all-clear. Fantastic. Don't believe the Fake News."
 
"The Bible - great. It's great. The greatest. Adam and Eve, real hard-working Americans. The Old Testament- terrific. I only had mine checked last week and was given the all-clear. Fantastic. Don't believe the Fake News."

Had to go have a quick check at Trumps twitter to see if this was real or not.
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Trump quoted as having second thoughts about his escalation of trade tariffs with China at the G7 summit.

The White House scrambling to walk back his comments.

Meanwhile the economy is headed for a recession.
He was given a very healthy economy. Booming actually. He’s taken credit for it. And now he is tanking it wonder who he will blame for that.
 
Trump quoted as having second thoughts about his escalation of trade tariffs with China at the G7 summit.

The White House scrambling to walk back his comments.

Meanwhile the economy is headed for a recession.
He was given a very healthy economy. Booming actually. He’s taken credit for it. And now he is tanking it wonder who he will blame for that.

It's like a freak show. :D

Funny how they always scramble to walk back what he says. Also funny was the accidental audio from Boris regarding the dinner. It tells you what the world is thinking of Mr T.

Boris O-tone talking to Macron with regards of handling Mr T at the dinner: "Bien joué, well played. You did very well last night, my God. That was a difficult one. You did brilliantly."
 
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Germany looks a bit recession-bound too. Bloody hell we just got out of a 10-year worldwide one!

And with Brexit looming I may as well stockpile the beans on toast now :(

One indicator is pointing to a recession while all others have not passed the threshold yet. I think Germany is in a good place as they had a GDP surplus in the last few years, so there is room to throw in a few billion Euro in government spending to counter any recession trends.
 
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Been just laughing for the last few minutes. :laugh:

Cheeky Macron invited the Iranian foreign minister Zarif to France at the same time as the G7 without informing the US delegation. :D :D

No clear plans that he will take part in a G7 meeting but having him at the same time in France after the US slapped sanctions on him shows that Macron doesn't give a toss (rightly so) what Mr T thinks, wants or does! :D
 
Mr T must be fuming, probably throwing one of his tantrums. :laugh:

First Mr Zarif arrives without Mr T nor any of his sycophants knowing, then Mr Zarif meets Macron and a few others before leaving without saying as much as "Hello" to Mr T. That will eat on Mr T for a long time. :laugh:
 
Mr T must be fuming, probably throwing one of his tantrums. :laugh:

First Mr Zarif arrives without Mr T nor any of his sycophants knowing, then Mr Zarif meets Macron and a few others before leaving without saying as much as "Hello" to Mr T. That will eat on Mr T for a long time. :laugh:

Let’s hope the WH keeps trump’s fragile ego in check because who knows what he will do to retaliate.
 
Can you imagine Obama said he has the authority to recall US companies from China, For them to cease doing business with China. The GOP would have exploded and called for impeachment.

Trump is not wrong in wanting US companies to stay in The USA. Why wouldn’t we want this for our economy?For jobs?

However. He can’t talk like a dictator. And my iPhone would cost me $5000.
 
From yesterday's guardian [the paper for liberals in the uk]

US companies tell Apple and Amazon to put planet before profits

"The bosses of some of the world’s biggest companies, including Apple and Amazon, have been told to put the planet before profits – not by environmental campaigners but by other multinationals, including Danone’s US arm, and a unit of
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A group of more than 30 American business leaders, including the heads of outdoor clothing brand Patagonia, The Body Shop owner Natura, Ben & Jerry’s (part of Unilever) and Danone’s US business, have taken the extraordinary step of taking out a full-page ad in Sunday’s edition of the New York Times to champion a more ethical way of doing business. The advert is aimed at members of the influential
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(BRT) lobby group, which represents 181 of the US’s biggest companies.


and from forbes last year:

"The $1,250 iPhone XS Max Costs Apple $450 To Make, Nearly A 200% Profit Margin"

So I think there is scope for more production in the USA but the profit margin would need to be reduced and perhaps a slightly higher retail price, many products are made in the usa currently, cars, tools, all sorts of things requiring skill and time to manufacture, the prices are higher than chinese equivalents I guess but the money recirculates into the economy from the jobs it provides.

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To think we in the west went all through the cold war spending billions and saying communism must be defeated, including the korean and vietnam wars, and then in the 90's onwards the big corporations [western europe & north america] have moved much of their production into communist china in order to profit and benefit from the cheap labour.

The hypocrisy is plain to see, plus the ethics behind it are questionable, and working conditions/demands which would not be acceptable in the west [although amazon in the uk are doing their part to lower standards here]

As a planet we need to start consuming less and have products with a longer lifespan, there's too much tech getting binned for new models which are maybe 10% better, with planned or built in obsolescence, which the EU parliament looked into a while back to try and reduce it.

If you were to buy a new iphone (made in china) each year, compared to one made in the usa that is designed to last longer, then perhaps the savings consumers currently make are overstated.
 
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