North Korea and US politics

[paul7388]

Easy to debunk.

Hey Trump, Goatwack says you are the greatest bestiest president ever.
Is this right or wrong?

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And there you have it!

That is hardly fair.

After the first wrong he would have completely forgot what he was saying wrong to.

 

[imanorange]

I do hope "the storm", "q" and other nonsense find their place in the approriate social group and this thread doesn't further escalate to other wonderful and hidden facts of similar nature (none which are related to NK) which seem to hidden from the average person. I think we went through those in the late trump thread already...

Twitter and social media in general together with a current president sure is a breeding ground for some of the most absurd ideas these days.

This has nothing to do with Q as that is a whole other matter entirely. This has been going on for decades and even centuries before the peculiar reality that is Q and Trump was ever president.

The storm as you call it and so does this "movement" people are buzzing about has been upon us for a very long time.

Sure it's nonsense my friend, but does the world at large make sense these days? I apologize if this thread is off track as it was all over the place when I first started reading it. I'm pretty knowledgable when it comes to the Korean peninsula as I've been there over a dozen times and have a lot of friends there too.

My personal comment on this thread or those of its kind is "It's like herding cats". Such is the nature of political banter.

 

[Kroffe]

That is hardly fair.

After the first wrong he would have completely forgot what he was saying wrong to.

 

[Harry_BKK]

It shows something when one of these political threads takes such a turn that @Harry_BKK does not even post in it anymore

I think there is no need to comment any further. Given time enough he will run himself and the country into the ground, with or without my comments. The entire world is laughing while Mr T goes into a dizzying spin with his new-found love Kim, twitters conspiracy theories, has about 100 (maybe exaggerated) lawsuits haunting him, brags about his rally crowd size in a hospital where people are being treated from the last mass shooting, and just to add insult to injury lies another dozen times in a single day.

I spent the last few days in the comments sections of US news and political sites to have some fun with Mr T supporters by confronting them with facts. The level of unawareness, ignorance, arrogance and sheer dumbness among them was simply mindblowing. I have not been called an idiot and moron so many times in my entire life than just in the last few days.

The soon you show them some facts comes an answer with a deflection, e.g. emails, Hillary, Obama, followed by the name-calling and then they go silent because they realize they were talking out of their *ss but would never admit it, very much like their idol Mr T.

And again mirroring their dear leader they show they have no clue about the most basic world things, like who started WWI, what is Article 5 of NATO, and that the US has been the only country invoking it, countries who do not spend 2% of GDP on defence should reimburse the US, etc., you simply cannot make this stuff up.

You know, simple stuff you can find out with a single Google search. But they all hail their dear leader and parrot almost to the last vowel exactly the words Mr T has been spouting during his rallies, on Twitter and his newly founded trash TV show "Chopper Talk" aka WH press conference.

The most obscene part from the last few days was the video his staff put together from his hospital visits, showing how everybody was bowing to the dear leader and all that to some heroic soundtrack. But denied access to the press as it was supposed to be about the victims. The video was like pissing in the face of the victims. Then he poses with a huge smile and thumbs up for a photo OP with an orphaned baby from the mass shooting. That kind of stuff you see only in countries like Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and North Korea.

That he needs to publish such videos shows how desperate he is. Buckle up, the show will only get more hilarious the closer the election is.

 

[imanorange]

I think there is no need to comment any further. Given time enough he will run himself and the country into the ground, with or without my comments. The entire world is laughing while Mr T goes into a dizzying spin with his new-found love Kim, twitters conspiracy theories, has about 100 (maybe exaggerated) lawsuits haunting him, brags about his rally crowd size in a hospital where people are being treated from the last mass shooting, and just to add insult to injury lies another dozen times in a single day.

I spent the last few days in the comments sections of US news and political sites to have some fun with Mr T supporters by confronting them with facts. The level of unawareness, ignorance, arrogance and sheer dumbness among them was simply mindblowing. I have not been called an idiot and moron so many times in my entire life than just in the last few days.

The soon you show them some facts comes an answer with a deflection, e.g. emails, Hillary, Obama, followed by the name-calling and then they go silent because they realize they were talking out of their *ss but would never admit it, very much like their idol Mr T.

And again mirroring their dear leader they show they have no clue about the most basic world things, like who started WWI, what is Article 5 of NATO, and that the US has been the only country invoking it, countries who do not spend 2% of GDP on defence should reimburse the US, etc., you simply cannot make this stuff up.

You know, simple stuff you can find out with a single Google search. But they all hail their dear leader and parrot almost to the last vowel exactly the words Mr T has been spouting during his rallies, on Twitter and his newly founded trash TV show "Chopper Talk" aka WH press conference.

The most obscene part from the last few days was the video his staff put together from his hospital visits, showing how everybody was bowing to the dear leader and all that to some heroic soundtrack. But denied access to the press as it was supposed to be about the victims. The video was like pissing in the face of the victims. Then he poses with a huge smile and thumbs up for a photo OP with an orphaned baby from the mass shooting. That kind of stuff you see only in countries like Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and North Korea.

That he needs to publish such videos shows how desperate he is. Buckle up, the show will only get more hilarious the closer the election is.

Interesting comment and I agree in the notion most people are rather clueless about facts and what is really going on. This goes for both sides of the aisle not only Republicans. This does not mean people are stupid they are just ignorant of facts that honestly don't concern them. They are too busy trying to feed their families and survive.

You can't blame the population or for that matter belittle the followers of a leader you obviously don't like personally. The public school system in the US has been dumbed down to serous extent by design. Your average citizen cannot afford to pay for proper education for their children so they are spoon feed Oprah Winfrey's history instead of World history. You cannot expect anybody to learn dick with a curriculum of crap.

In my opinion, this goes double for followers of the socialist puppets that are infesting higher offices throughout the country. How dumb is it to follow a public figure who touts a system that has proven to fail over and over? This has been going on for 50+ years but it's reached critical mass. There are far too many individuals who feel entitled with no basic work ethic or sense of responsibility, both personal or public. They look to the government for handouts instead of looking for self-improvement and reliance. The things that made America strong.

The decline of any great nation is always prefaced by a class of people looking for welfare to sustain them. This has been written about in books and is historical fact going back thousands of years.

I disagree, the masses do not mirror "their leader" as if it is a dictatorship. There is truly more patriotism in the US and that is always a good thing for a sovereign nation. People have not been this proud to be an American since I have alive nearly 50 years. What is wrong with this? Does this hurt anybody?

I'm not a huge fan of Trump but he has done more for the United States than any president in 50+ years. Talk to your average citizen, the local economies and just people's attitudes in general. The only people bitching are the democrats and snowflakes who want free shit.

The rest of the World mocks him but has never given him a chance just like the vitriol from the democrats who have accomplished NOTHING in 13+ years. Who are they to band drums? He is called stupid by many people on the outside looking in. That could not be further from the truth and I believe you know that. Do you honestly think he doesn't know the facts? I suggest you look back at his life and what he has said and done as actions speak louder than words.

He is feared because he is not a politician and this is the only type of person that can accomplish anything these days in the political arena. Why doesn't anybody give the man a chance? Even before he took office after he was elected impeachment was the main agenda. He hadn't done shit yet.

How is Trump's recent publicity different than anything Obama did? Or any other president for that matter? Please state a reasonable comparison to put things in perspective here.

Obama was far worse with his lies, lack of leadership and brown-nosing abroad it was enough to make you sick. I'll take it a step further, what accomplishments did Obama have to make the average American citizen better?

The entire lot of politicians are glorified lying thieves who should be wearing masks.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Interesting comment and I agree in the notion most people are rather clueless about facts and what is really going on. This goes for both sides of the aisle not only Republicans. This does not mean people are stupid they are just ignorant of facts that honestly don't concern them. They are too busy trying to feed their families and survive.

You can't blame the population or for that matter belittle the followers of a leader you obviously don't like personally. The public school system in the US has been dumbed down to serous extent by design. Your average citizen cannot afford to pay for proper education for their children so they are spoon feed Oprah Winfrey's history instead of World history. You cannot expect anybody to learn dick with a curriculum of crap.

In my opinion, this goes double for followers of the socialist puppets that are infesting higher offices throughout the country. How dumb is it to follow a public figure who touts a system that has proven to fail over and over? This has been going on for 50+ years but it's reached critical mass. There are far too many individuals who feel entitled with no basic work ethic or sense of responsibility, both personal or public. They look to the government for handouts instead of looking for self-improvement and reliance. The things that made America strong.

The decline of any great nation is always prefaced by a class of people looking for welfare to sustain them. This has been written about in books and is historical fact going back thousands of years.

I disagree, the masses do not mirror "their leader" as if it is a dictatorship. There is truly more patriotism in the US and that is always a good thing for a sovereign nation. People have not been this proud to be an American since I have alive nearly 50 years. What is wrong with this? Does this hurt anybody?

I'm not a huge fan of Trump but he has done more for the United States than any president in 50+ years. Talk to your average citizen, the local economies and just people's attitudes in general. The only people bitching are the democrats and snowflakes who want free shit.

The rest of the World mocks him but has never given him a chance just like the vitriol from the democrats who have accomplished NOTHING in 13+ years. Who are they to band drums? He is called stupid by many people on the outside looking in. That could not be further from the truth and I believe you know that. Do you honestly think he doesn't know the facts? I suggest you look back at his life and what he has said and done as actions speak louder than words.

He is feared because he is not a politician and this is the only type of person that can accomplish anything these days in the political arena. Why doesn't anybody give the man a chance? Even before he took office after he was elected impeachment was the main agenda. He hadn't done shit yet.

How is Trump's recent publicity different than anything Obama did? Or any other president for that matter? Please state a reasonable comparison to put things in perspective here.

Obama was far worse with his lies, lack of leadership and brown-nosing abroad it was enough to make you sick. I'll take it a step further, what accomplishments did Obama have to make the average American citizen better?

The entire lot of politicians are glorified lying thieves who should be wearing masks.

Well, what shall I say? We have an old saying in my language which translates to something like: 'Do not stir the blinded and ignorant.'

I rest my case because you are parroting your dear leader just like the others on the sites I visited in the last days.

Have fun in Thailand. If you are so patriotic and feel that Mr T has done so much for you, why not return home? You will find "great, great freedom" and "the most beautiful blossoming landscapes" there now and I am sure he will welcome you. He's got quite a few conspiracy theories he would like to discuss with you.

 

[paul7388]

I knew Harry would return

 

[imanorange]

Well, what shall I say? We have an old saying in my language which translates to something like: 'Do not stir the blinded and ignorant.'

I rest my case because you are parroting your dear leader just like the others on the sites I visited in the last days.

Have fun in Thailand. If you are so patriotic and feel that Mr T has done so much for you, why not return home? You will find "great, great freedom" and "the most beautiful blossoming landscapes" there now and I am sure he will welcome you. He's got quite a few conspiracy theories he would like to discuss with you.

Sounds like you are speaking from experience pulling out quotes like that.

If that is indeed the case, then you win hands down.

Just a thought, or is that not allowed?

Personal attacks and pure arrogance speak volumes so does assumption. Let the reader decide, shall we?

I am in Asia because I have family and business here.

How does that affect my patriotism? Did I ever say I supported Trump 100%?

I suggest you look in the mirror or talk to the hand. Whatever suits you best.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Sounds like you are speaking from experience pulling out quotes like that. Just a thought, or is that not allowed?

Personal attacks and pure arrogance speak volumes so does assumption. Let the reader decide, shall we?

I am in Asia because I have family and business here.

How does that affect my patriotism? Did I ever say I supported Trump 100%?

I suggest you look in the mirror or talk to the hand. Whatever suits you best.

I suggest you don't change your arguments to fit your present narrative.

The reader shall decide!

 

[imanorange]

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I suggest you don't change your arguments to fit your present narrative.

The reader shall decide!

Nice try, predictable too. Why attack me when your argument is with Trump?

Are you saying Trump has been president for 30 years? Damn that is news to me.

My entire narrative is based on freedom of thought DO I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT!

I laugh at the superior intellect of the hive mind.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Nice try, predictable too. Why attack me when your argument is with Trump?

Are you saying Trump has been president for 30 years? Damn that is news to me.

My entire narrative is based on freedom of thought DO I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT!

I laugh at the superior intellect of the hive mind.

Trying to play the victim like your dear leader is constantly doing? So predictable!

Where exactly did I attack you? This is a political rant thread.

 

[imanorange]

Trying to play the victim like your dear leader is constantly doing? So predictable!

Where exactly did I attack you? This is a political rant thread.

I am most certainly no victim. I make my own bed and lie in it even if it means looking foolish.

Only a fool assumes they are better than the next person.

Why are you deflecting logical questions with questions of your own? After all, this is a political rant thread.

We could go back and forth like children but I prefer reading cognitive arguments, not supposition.

You are the one who is assuming and insinuating my friend, not me.

I have stated my stance and its argument, have you no rebuttal?

 

[vorcirion]

I am most certainly no victim. I make my own bed and lie in it even if it means looking foolish.

Only a fool assumes they are better than the next person.

Why are you deflecting logical questions with questions of your own? After all, this is a political rant thread.

We could go back and forth like children but I prefer reading cognitive arguments, not supposition.

You are the one who is assuming and insinuating my friend, not me.

I have stated my stance and its argument, have you no rebuttal?

It's funny when you talk about logical things...or using your own thought. But then you come up with some insane theories that defy any kind of logic. Things that aren't based on any kind of evidence. I wish you'd use your logic to come up with something reasonable...something that can be argued over. Instead of spreading dangerous things that lead to some trumpsters to become violent people.

Like here for example: "In my opinion, this goes double for followers of the socialist puppets that are infesting higher offices throughout the country."
There's no reason to use word like: "infest". But that's one of those keywords that trigger trumpsters. They aren't mentally stable people. They believe all kinds of idiotic things that Trump and Fox News (Tucker, Hannity etc.) keep feeding them.

 

[imanorange]

It's funny when you talk about logical things...or using your own thought. But then you come up with some insane theories that defy any kind of logic. Things that aren't based on any kind of evidence. I wish you'd use your logic to come up with something reasonable...something that can be argued over. Instead of spreading dangerous things that lead to some trumpsters to become violent people.

Like here for example: "In my opinion, this goes double for followers of the socialist puppets that are infesting higher offices throughout the country."
There's no reason to use word like: "infest". But that's one of those keywords that trigger trumpsters. They aren't mentally stable people. They believe all kinds of idiotic things that Trump and Fox News (Tucker, Hannity etc.) keep feeding them.

Really? Ummm OK mate if you say so.

Again I don't recall Trump being around to infest my mind with the notion of thinking for myself growing up. I seem to remember learning that very commonly used word in grade school. It's news to me that word is a trigger thanks for setting it off.

If it is, show me an instance where it was used as such, please.

Perhaps America was founded on the values of globalism and a New World Order. I had to check Wikipedia (They would NEVER lie) and make sure but no it wasn't. Sorry, sometimes my brain is mentally challenged with the logic these days.

May I ask some simple questions? After all, this is supposed to be a discussion. Not the attack of other individuals spouting off blanket statements towards people with different views other than your own. If you are going to do that at least give specifics. Not something opaque like "you're an idiot for watching Fox News".

Why are people mentally unstable who wish Trump their best?
What dangerous things have I been spreading that may lead to violence?

Time to go take my medications before I become unstable.

Perhaps this pillar of society would be doing a better job?

Here's a link to the clip:



Doesn't she look like a sweet woman?

 

[slotplayer]

I'm infested with instability.

 

[Kroffe]

Really? Ummm OK mate if you say so.

Again I don't recall Trump being around to infest my mind with the notion of thinking for myself growing up. I seem to remember learning that very commonly used word in grade school. It's news to me that word is a trigger thanks for setting it off.

If it is, show me an instance where it was used as such, please.

Perhaps America was founded on the values of globalism and a New World Order. I had to check Wikipedia (They would NEVER lie) and make sure but no it wasn't. Sorry, sometimes my brain is mentally challenged with the logic these days.

May I ask some simple questions? After all, this is supposed to be a discussion. Not the attack of other individuals spouting off blanket statements towards people with different views other than your own. If you are going to do that at least give specifics. Not something opaque like "you're an idiot for watching Fox News".

Why are people mentally unstable who wish Trump their best?
What dangerous things have I been spreading that may lead to violence?

Time to go take my medications before I become unstable.

Perhaps this pillar of society would be doing a better job?

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Here's a link to the clip:



Doesn't she look like a sweet woman?

They are both horrible!
But when choosing between two evils, you always pick the one who has bigger hands.
Duh!

 

[Harry_BKK]

I have stated my stance and its argument, have you no rebuttal?

I stated my argument prior to your post. That still stands and I feel no need to repeat myself.

And this sentence from your post alone says it all and confirms at the same time that there is no point debating with you: "I'm not a huge fan of Trump but he has done more for the United States than any president in 50+ years."

The perfect assumption without backing it up with specifics (as you pointed out to Vorcirion). What is your metric to measure that? Any statistical or scientific evidence to prove it?

FYI, Clinton was the last president with a balanced budget. Mr T managed to widen the deficit to $1 trillion with a well-growing economy and added another few trillion $ to the national debt (Mr T ... "I will eliminate the national debt in 8 years or less"; "the tax cut will pay for itself").

- He has not reduced any trade deficits so far or signed some significant trade deals (NAFTA2 was already 99% done when he was sworn in and South-Korea brought no real improvements),
- No "beautiful" healthcare
- The number of immigrants at the Southern border is higher than before
- He rolled back over 80 environmental regulation (your kids will thank him for that...NOT),
- He managed to insult the majority of other country leaders except dictators and those who are aiming to become one,
- He's stoking the flames to start a war with Iran
- He has not reduced the net numbers of troops deployed ("they are coming home, and right now" ..... sure, just when will that "now" be?)
- The coal industry has lost more jobs than it created
- The steel industry has a net gain of 1,200 jobs while steel users pay the tariffs
- He is using socialist programs aka subsidies to try and keep the farmers happy.

Well, the list is by far not complete. I am sure in the eyes of the "blinded and ignorant" he has achieved more than any other president, e.g. the most days playing golf compared to all other presidents.

 

[TheAddict]

Infest.

(sorry in advance for the riots)

 

[mack341]

Trump has energy and drive and in his words wants to make america great again, which is the kind of message you'd expect left and right to unite behind...but the liberal elite and washington establishment are having none of it and see him as some sort of enemy.

Trump's administration really needs to investigate the huge social media firms now, they're actively seeking to distort issues and influence politics, and with their monopoly positions [just as if there was only 1 newspaper for everyone to read] this is damaging democracy. They're a greater threat than any amateur russian attempts at meddling.

Lou dobbs was mentioning something last week about a new law that will enable tech firms to employ more overseas people instead of hiring/training americans, he was attacking the republicans too for pushing it. I can't see a new generation of characters/presenters like lou dobbs coming through, the education system has just been dumbed down too far across the western world, only corporation group think is acceptable nowadays. Whether you like his viewpoint or not he has got some old school gravitas.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Trump has energy and drive and in his words wants to make america great again, which is the kind of message you'd expect left and right to unite behind...but the liberal elite and washington establishment are having none of it and see him as some sort of enemy.

Trump's administration really needs to investigate the huge social media firms now, they're actively seeking to distort issues and influence politics, and with their monopoly positions [just as if there was only 1 newspaper for everyone to read] this is damaging democracy. They're a greater threat than any amateur russian attempts at meddling.

Lou dobbs was mentioning something last week about a new law that will enable tech firms to employ more overseas people instead of hiring/training americans, he was attacking the republicans too for pushing it. I can't see a new generation of characters/presenters like lou dobbs coming through, the education system has just been dumbed down too far across the western world, only corporation group think is acceptable nowadays. Whether you like his viewpoint or not he has got some old school gravitas.

Sorry mack, but I will add you to the "blinded and ignorant"

"Trump has energy and drive and in his words wants to make america great again"

So much energy and words, like when he failed repeatedly to build the highest skyscraper in NY and then simply added 10 floors to one of is towers which do not exist. It is the perfect example for Mr T. All talk and bluster but no substance and just simple lies.

Who else to investigate while we are at it? Airlines (only a few control the market in the US), car companies (same as airlines), insurances (same as cars and airlines) etc etc.

And you believe lock, stock and barrel what Dobbs says? Please read The Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2019 and what the changes actually mean.

Please note that Mr T cut the education budget by over 20%. So who is dumbing down the kids?

Geez mack, please get out of the "blinded and ignorant" group.

 

[paul7388]

Sorry mack, but I will add you to the "blinded and ignorant"

"Trump has energy and drive and in his words wants to make america great again"

So much energy and words, like when he failed repeatedly to build the highest skyscraper in NY and then simply added 10 floors which do not exist. It is the perfect example for Mr T. All talk and bluster but no substance and just simple lies.

Who else to investigate while we are at it? Airlines (only a few control the market in the US), car companies (same as airlines), insurances (same as cars and airlines) etc etc.

And you believe lock, stock and barrel what Dobbs says? Please read The Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2019 and what the changes actually mean.

Please note that Mr T cut the education budget by over 20%. So who is dumbing down the kids?

Geez mack, please get out of the "blinded and ignorant" group.

You will be on his ignore list for posting that Harry

Oh how this thread has missed those of your's

 

[shadow123]

Why do Trumps mannerisms remind me of Mussolini?

 

[vorcirion]

Really? Ummm OK mate if you say so.

Again I don't recall Trump being around to infest my mind with the notion of thinking for myself growing up. I seem to remember learning that very commonly used word in grade school. It's news to me that word is a trigger thanks for setting it off.

If it is, show me an instance where it was used as such, please.

Perhaps America was founded on the values of globalism and a New World Order. I had to check Wikipedia (They would NEVER lie) and make sure but no it wasn't. Sorry, sometimes my brain is mentally challenged with the logic these days.

May I ask some simple questions? After all, this is supposed to be a discussion. Not the attack of other individuals spouting off blanket statements towards people with different views other than your own. If you are going to do that at least give specifics. Not something opaque like "you're an idiot for watching Fox News".

Why are people mentally unstable who wish Trump their best?
What dangerous things have I been spreading that may lead to violence?

Time to go take my medications before I become unstable.

Perhaps this pillar of society would be doing a better job?

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Anyone would've been better than Trump. If a cat was elected instead of Trump...the economy would be in the same place as it is now. With less debt and fewer trade wars.

When you people keep spreading these conspiracy theories then these kind of things happen:

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And with Trump's rhetoric...crazy guys are starting to act and plenty of people are getting killed:

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[slotplayer]

Trump has energy and drive and in his words wants to make america great again, which is the kind of message you'd expect left and right to unite behind...but the liberal elite and washington establishment are having none of it and see him as some sort of enemy.

Trump's administration really needs to investigate the huge social media firms now, they're actively seeking to distort issues and influence politics, and with their monopoly positions [just as if there was only 1 newspaper for everyone to read] this is damaging democracy. They're a greater threat than any amateur russian attempts at meddling.

Lou dobbs was mentioning something last week about a new law that will enable tech firms to employ more overseas people instead of hiring/training americans, he was attacking the republicans too for pushing it. I can't see a new generation of characters/presenters like lou dobbs coming through, the education system has just been dumbed down too far across the western world, only corporation group think is acceptable nowadays. Whether you like his viewpoint or not he has got some old school gravitas.

Are you talking about this Dobbs segment?

 

[mack341]

Are you talking about this Dobbs segment?

Yep that's the one, I tried looking for the segment on utube but they've done something to their site which makes it hard to find conservative sources of info. Tucker's latest video is up for 1 day and then removed, not sure if that is fox doing that though to protect their copyright.

Lou was giving it to lindsey graham the other night too, I didn't realise he was behind this bill, saying lindsay speaks out of both sides of his mouth re trump. Graham is a slightly odd character, not sure I've seen another republican senator quite like him.

 

[slotplayer]

Yep that's the one, I tried looking for the segment on utube but they've done something to their site which makes it hard to find conservative sources of info. Tucker's latest video is up for 1 day and then removed, not sure if that is fox doing that though to protect their copyright.

Lou was giving it to lindsey graham the other night too, I didn't realise he was behind this bill, saying lindsay speaks out of both sides of his mouth re trump. Graham is a slightly odd character, not sure I've seen another republican senator quite like him.

Bill Gates has been squawking about increasing the H1B visas for as long as I can remember, Zuckerburg said the same thing a while back.

I haven't been able to any Fox videos in a long time now either. I'm surprised I found that one.

I'm not a big Lindsey Graham fan but he's fired up here.

 

[mack341]

Sorry mack, but I will add you to the "blinded and ignorant"

"Trump has energy and drive and in his words wants to make america great again"

So much energy and words, like when he failed repeatedly to build the highest skyscraper in NY and then simply added 10 floors to one of is towers which do not exist. It is the perfect example for Mr T. All talk and bluster but no substance and just simple lies.

Who else to investigate while we are at it? Airlines (only a few control the market in the US), car companies (same as airlines), insurances (same as cars and airlines) etc etc.

And you believe lock, stock and barrel what Dobbs says? Please read The Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2019 and what the changes actually mean.

Please note that Mr T cut the education budget by over 20%. So who is dumbing down the kids?

Geez mack, please get out of the "blinded and ignorant" group.

Well compared to joe biden, trump has a lot of energy and drive, bernie has got passion and drive too but I'm not sure he has any real solutions to the major problems. He's fixated on identity and minority politics, be interesting how he suggests solving the drug addiction issues and violent criminals that blight places like baltimore

We've got boris here in the uk now as pm, and again he is an optimist with a lot of energy, that's what we need in order to address systemic problems that have just gone for years getting worse. Whether he succeeds or not is a different issue...

But going back to trump [who used to have democrat tendencies] the left could've found common ground on some of his points that he campaigned on, like rebuilding the infrastructure, bringing back some jobs, pulling troops out of pointless conflicts, but instead of that they've wasted their energy on the russia narrative and pushing for more open borders, it's a waste of everyone's energy IMO.

Obama was strong on smooth words but that was about all, he never had the belligerent determination that trumps got; however I don't agree that donald has solved the problems atm, foreign policy has been distracting him too much.

Lou dobbs as much as I like the old fella, and others on fox, do seem to overdo the economic achievements etc...[I'm not saying there isn't a feel good factor going on, but is the underlying economy much different to before or just going through a mini boom/recovery ]

However if you accept that the US has some big systemic problems why waste all your time making personal attacks against someone who has energy and drive to solve them and was elected on that basis? That's the error the msm and democrats are making in my eyes, becoming more deranged in response to trump.

 

[mack341]

Bill Gates has been squawking about increasing the H1B visas for as long as I can remember, Zuckerburg said the same thing a while back.

I haven't been able to any Fox videos in a long time now either. I'm surprised I found that one.

I'm not a big Lindsey Graham fan but he's fired up here.

yeah he was good there, showed some real passion, never seen him as animated as that before. I think with graham he is a bit too much a lobbyist's fodder, speaking with a forked tongue most of the time, but when it's something he cares about personally you see a different type of real politician.

The kavanaugh trial was terrible, why they opposed him so much, he was hardly sean hannity or sarah palin on the political scale. Looked like a moderate conservative to me.

edit: This h1b visa should be opposed, why doesn't gates and zuckerberg put their hands in their billionaire pockets and fund training for US kids instead of just grabbing the brightest from abroad free of charge, they should nurture the country's own talent first, it's just about profit and greed and sod investing or risking investment in the youth. silicon valley in the 80's and 90's did alright on what was mostly homegrown talent. There are no new steve jobs and bill gates's coming through IMO, I could be mistaken though.

 

[vorcirion]

Well compared to joe biden, trump has a lot of energy and drive, bernie has got passion and drive too but I'm not sure he has any real solutions to the major problems. He's fixated on identity and minority politics, be interesting how he suggests solving the drug addiction issues and violent criminals that blight places like baltimore

We've got boris here in the uk now as pm, and again he is an optimist with a lot of energy, that's what we need in order to address systemic problems that have just gone for years getting worse. Whether he succeeds or not is a different issue...

But going back to trump [who used to have democrat tendencies] the left could've found common ground on some of his points that he campaigned on, like rebuilding the infrastructure, bringing back some jobs, pulling troops out of pointless conflicts, but instead of that they've wasted their energy on the russia narrative and pushing for more open borders, it's a waste of everyone's energy IMO.

Obama was strong on smooth words but that was about all, he never had the belligerent determination that trumps got; however I don't agree that donald has solved the problems atm, foreign policy has been distracting him too much.

Lou dobbs as much as I like the old fella, and others on fox, do seem to overdo the economic achievements etc...[I'm not saying there isn't a feel good factor going on, but is the underlying economy much different to before or just going through a mini boom/recovery ]

However if you accept that the US has some big systemic problems why waste all your time making personal attacks against someone who has energy and drive to solve them and was elected on that basis? That's the error the msm and democrats are making in my eyes, becoming more deranged in response to trump.

Having drive and energy isn't enough. If you don't have a god damn clue about anything, don't listen to anyone who has a clue and you hire the most idiotic people there are (Bolton, Devos, Carson)...then you can't fix anything! And his people keep changing constantly. Everyone is acting ________ (fill in the blank). That's the problem with Trump. His ignorance, his ego, his stupidity!

Boris at least has a brain. I doubt he'll go for no deal brexit. I'm pretty sure he's getting quite a lot of pressure from the business sector in UK. Or he's just trying to find a good spot for next general election. There's 0 chance for him to renegotiate the brexit deal.

 

[slotplayer]

yeah he was good there, showed some real passion, never seen him as animated as that before. I think with graham he is a bit too much a lobbyist's fodder, speaking with a forked tongue most of the time, but when it's something he cares about personally you see a different type of real politician.

The kavanaugh trial was terrible, why they opposed him so much, he was hardly sean hannity or sarah palin on the political scale. Looked like a moderate conservative to me.

edit: This h1b visa should be opposed, why doesn't gates and zuckerberg put their hands in their billionaire pockets and fund training for US kids instead of just grabbing the brightest from abroad free of charge, they should nurture the country's own talent first, it's just about profit and greed and sod investing or risking investment in the youth. silicon valley in the 80's and 90's did alright on what was mostly homegrown talent. There are no new steve jobs and bill gates's coming through IMO, I could be mistaken though.

That's the same thing I say, Gates can use some of his 40 billion and create a Microsoft University and show a little patriotism to the country that gave him so much to be grateful for.

Maybe he does but I don't recall anything.

 

[slotplayer]

This Ben Carson?

 

[vorcirion]

This Ben Carson?

Yup that's the one. The Oreo guy.

And have you heard about Gates Foundation? They do plenty already.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Well compared to joe biden, trump has a lot of energy and drive, bernie has got passion and drive too but I'm not sure he has any real solutions to the major problems. He's fixated on identity and minority politics, be interesting how he suggests solving the drug addiction issues and violent criminals that blight places like baltimore

We've got boris here in the uk now as pm, and again he is an optimist with a lot of energy, that's what we need in order to address systemic problems that have just gone for years getting worse. Whether he succeeds or not is a different issue...

But going back to trump [who used to have democrat tendencies] the left could've found common ground on some of his points that he campaigned on, like rebuilding the infrastructure, bringing back some jobs, pulling troops out of pointless conflicts, but instead of that they've wasted their energy on the russia narrative and pushing for more open borders, it's a waste of everyone's energy IMO.

Obama was strong on smooth words but that was about all, he never had the belligerent determination that trumps got; however I don't agree that donald has solved the problems atm, foreign policy has been distracting him too much.

Lou dobbs as much as I like the old fella, and others on fox, do seem to overdo the economic achievements etc...[I'm not saying there isn't a feel good factor going on, but is the underlying economy much different to before or just going through a mini boom/recovery ]

However if you accept that the US has some big systemic problems why waste all your time making personal attacks against someone who has energy and drive to solve them and was elected on that basis? That's the error the msm and democrats are making in my eyes, becoming more deranged in response to trump.

Please list the concrete ideas you have seen from Mr T that actually look doable for:

- infrastructure
- jobs (not coal etc)
- healthcare
- immigration
- gun control
- ...add as you please

And please, show me where the Democrats who are now in Congress have pushed for more open borders?

Obama didn't have belligerent determination? So you think he didn't need a lot of determination to get some of the below done?

- Leading the US out of a financial crisis (with a package that was much smaller than Mr T's tax cut)
- Unemployment down from over 10% to below 5%
- DACA
- ACA
- Clean Power Plan
- Gun regulation (executive order) that made it more difficult for people with mental health problems to buy a gun (One of the first things Mr T rolled back at the orders of the NRA who spent $30 million on his election)
- Growing economy for every quarter of his presidency
- List not complete.

You do know that the Republicans blocked pretty much everything after they regained the Senate and House? And not because they disagreed but because they did not want Obama to succeed.

Again mack, please leave the "blinded and ignorant" group.

 

[mack341]

Please list the concrete ideas you have seen from Mr T that actually look doable for:

- infrastructure
- jobs (not coal etc)
- healthcare
- immigration
- ...add as you please

And please, show me where the Democrats who are now in Congress have pushed for more open borders?

Obama didn't have belligerent determination? So you think he didn't need a lot of determination to get some of the below done?

- Leading the US out of a financial crisis (with a package that was much smaller than Mr T's tax cut)
- Unemployment down from over 10% to below 5%
- DACA
- ACA
- Gun regulation (executive order) that made it more difficult for people with mental health problems to buy a gun (One of the first things Mr T rolled back at the orders of the NRA who spent $30 million on his election)
- Growing economy for every quarter of his presidency
- List not complete.

You do know that the Republicans blocked pretty much everything after they regained the Senate and House? And not because they disagreed but because they did not want Obama to succeed.

Again mack, please leave the "blinded and ignorant" group.

haha how long do I get to complete this homework?

I'll have to research those areas and come back with some detailed answers, but I did say he has been spending too much time on foreign policy issues, also the senate and congress block things, I think his health bill was blocked by mccain and ryan effectively.

I've no doubt republicans blocked Obama when they had the opportunity. But you have to remember that trump was voted in ahead of many mainstream republican household names, therefore a large part of the voting public weren't ecstatic about the republican establishment's record and direction either.

Trump's been basically under a constant daily siege for 3 years by the msm and dems, picking holes in him and making personal attacks. I guess they hoped he might retire if things were hostile enough...

 

[slotplayer]

TDS is back Baby!

 

[Harry_BKK]

haha how long do I get to complete this homework?

I'll have to research those areas and come back with some detailed answers, but I did say he has been spending too much time on foreign policy issues, also the senate and congress block things, I think his health bill was blocked by mccain and ryan effectively.

I've no doubt republicans blocked Obama when they had the opportunity. But you have to remember that trump was voted in ahead of many mainstream republican household names, therefore a large part of the voting public weren't ecstatic about the republican establishment's record and direction either.

Trump's been basically under a constant daily siege for 3 years by the msm and dems, picking holes in him and making personal attacks. I guess they hoped he might retire if things were hostile enough...

Don't waste your time mack as you won't find any coherent plans/strategies/proposals.

I'll give you one example:

Mr T: Tariffs are good and trade wars easy to win.
Mr T: China is paying the tariffs, not the US companies and consumers
Mr T yesterday in the latest installment of his new trash TV show "Chopper Talk": We are holding back on the latest tranche of tariffs until Christmas so US consumers don't have to pay more. (Hmmm, so consumer are paying the tariffs after all. Somebody just learned maybe something! )

Meanwhile, you have the highest number of farmer bankruptcies in a decade (maybe longer, can't remember the exact period). Sure, China is paying all of it...NOT! I said it from the start, China has never agreed to anything else than micro-steps and they won't change that just to accommodate Mr T.

Then you have Huawei, who presented their own OS, they are close in having their own chip architecture ready - all due to Mr T pressuring them to go their own way. It will hurt American companies badly in the long run.

But - Trade wars are so easy to win! Right!

Mr T's health care plan would have been a misery for many people. McCain had the conscience and backbone to vote against it. And it was done without any input of the democrats whatsoever. Rushed through the committees to get something passed and hand the dear leader a victory. just look how quickly they assembled in the Rose Garden for the mighty to make the announcement, all smiling and kowtowing.

Check back how many months of debates Obama had for the ACA (just as a reference).

Mr T under siege? Give me a break mack. How much longer will you cry for Mr T? Again, check the records/Youtube etc how it looked during Obama's time. Faux News went for days into overdrive and a hyperbolic shock because he had worn a tan suit. That should give you some indication.

 

[Harry_BKK]

haha how long do I get to complete this homework?

I'll have to research those areas and come back with some detailed answers, but I did say he has been spending too much time on foreign policy issues, also the senate and congress block things, I think his health bill was blocked by mccain and ryan effectively.

I've no doubt republicans blocked Obama when they had the opportunity. But you have to remember that trump was voted in ahead of many mainstream republican household names, therefore a large part of the voting public weren't ecstatic about the republican establishment's record and direction either.

Trump's been basically under a constant daily siege for 3 years by the msm and dems, picking holes in him and making personal attacks. I guess they hoped he might retire if things were hostile enough...

Came across a story on my newsfeed where Mr T held a speech yesterday at a new Shell plastics plant. Of course, he lied his way through the entire hour and turned the event into a rally. E.g. saying that he made it possible for the plant to be built when it was actually planned from 2012 and the building started in 2015. Not to mention that Shell paid the people to attend the event.

Nevermind, the usual bragging and lying. Nothing new, the world is just surprised that American people can endure so many lies.
In the comments section, I found a real gem, which I think hits the nail on the head.

 

[Harry_BKK]

TDS is back Baby!

TDS aka The Delusional Supporter?

Well then, welcome back slotplayer.

 

[mack341]

This is just a boring update on the US political scene [brexit in the uk has slipped a bit into the phoney war stage while the mp's are on summer leave] I'm trying to not be too partisan and as neutral as possible.

Been catching up on a few youtube vids, tucker is on holiday as is laura ingraham and their stand-ins are not so great, so mostly watched the legendary Lou Dobbs [who apparently also use to be a big star on CNN about a decade ago, making similar political points to today, so he is consistent and not just saying things because he's on fox]

Lou is not happy with what he perceives as trump pivoting away from his base on key issues, he thinks it's caused by the trump policy office being staffed by inexperienced young people. Dobbs was pointing the finger at mick mulvaney, the whitehouse chief of staff, but it makes more sense to me that it might be Ivanka and jared behind it. Also populating the campaign team with people they get along with, but not exactly steve bannon types in tune with trump's base. [ which like it or not is millions of decent patriotic americans]

The financial markets slumped yesterday and I've always thought trump going on about a soaring stock market was a mistake, claiming it was a sign of his success and policies, low interest rates and quantiative easing for years means the market is not a true barometer of economic health. Markets always go down at some point and it looks like that is now happening, so possibly a recession before the 2020 election which won't help trump one bit [I actually think the western countries have been in the same zombie economy condition since 2008, a huge crash was prevented then but all this did was delay the inevitable ]

Also when I see share prices for companies like amazon, google, apple it makes me think something is not quite right, a single share in google is over $1,000, apple $200, amazon $1700, how much tax are they paying? [last year google's net revenue was 137 billion and after all the balance sheet manipulation/avoidance the tax paid is only 4 billion , they have operating costs but surely not over 100 billion each year? ] This also ties into the huge govt debt and deficits, tax avoidance by corporations and off shoring of huge wealth, at some point this will have to be addressed I think.

Anyhow back to Lou, he has Ed rollins on his show nearly everynight, Ed was involved in the reagan campaigns and is chairman of the 'great america PAC' which supported trump in 2016, basically a veteran of republican politics for yonks. He thinks the 2020 contest is going to be tight and definitely not a walk-in, the democrat contender will have beaten over 20 other candidates by that stage and not just been placed in the role like hillary more or less was, so they will be quite a formidable, polished opponent for trump.

If trump pivots further away from his base [possibly due to influence from ivanka and PR people etc...] they may not go out to vote in the same number as before. The border wall hasn't been built, that's a pretty big elephant in the room, 50% built would've probably been the expectation to match his rhetoric and focus on it in the 2016 campaign. At the rate of progress it would be miles off completion by the end of a 2nd term...

I guess if the dems choose a far left candidate, trump's base will be motivated to come out to vote in order to try and prevent them from winning...the dems candidates do look a bit weak compared to previous years, beto o'rouke is like a mediocre obama impressionist, even down to the rolled up shirt sleeves, which seems to be an affectation that quite a few of the male democrats do.

Elizabeth warren has acquired quite a bit of momentum, after obama being the first black president, the dems now want the first female one. If it was warren, trump will be tempted to use that native indian ancestry thing against her but that could backfire. Kamala harris looks like she has dropped down the pegging order, I've never found her that convincing as the leading candidate, a former state prosecutor being the democratic nominee doesn't quite fit to my mind, and she's not popular amongst black voters for some reason or other, but who knows she may still win out.

 

[paul7388]

To bring this more on topic. Well it is a lot nearer Korea than America and Trump lol.

What do people make of what is happening in Hong Kong. And any deep based conspiracies as to why it is happening

 

[goatwack]

Well, they're pretty vexed at having their economic autonomy swallowed up, so they rightly or wrongly do actual protests, unlike the armchair slacktivism in the West!

But seeing the situation developing there this could end with quite a few more casualties shall we say

 

[paul7388]

Well, they're pretty vexed at having their economic autonomy swallowed up, so they rightly or wrongly do actual protests, unlike the armchair slacktivism in the West!

But seeing the situation developing there this could end with quite a few more casualties shall we say

Was thinking the same.

Looks like China will be moving in soon and dealing with it if protests do not stop.

Can not see a happy ending for the protesters in this.

 

[Harry_BKK]

To bring this more on topic. Well it is a lot nearer Korea than America and Trump lol.

What do people make of what is happening in Hong Kong. And any deep based conspiracies as to why it is happening

I've been to Hong Kong multiple times before and after the UK handover.

Ever since that day, people are suspicious of anything that smells even just remotely like China could be behind it. The tensions have been rising over the years and the latest proposed law is what "broke the camel's back". Hong Kong people have vowed to never be under the proverbial thumb from China and the official agreement actually is supposed to keep the "status quo" until 2047. China is of course not willing to wait that long to take over the full control, so they've been trying a lot of things on the sly, until now with little success as previous protests have shown.

IMO, this is the beginning of China showing its real intent and it will get pretty ugly.

 

[slotplayer]

This is just a boring update on the US political scene [brexit in the uk has slipped a bit into the phoney war stage while the mp's are on summer leave] I'm trying to not be too partisan and as neutral as possible.

Been catching up on a few youtube vids, tucker is on holiday as is laura ingraham and their stand-ins are not so great, so mostly watched the legendary Lou Dobbs [who apparently also use to be a big star on CNN about a decade ago, making similar political points to today, so he is consistent and not just saying things because he's on fox]

Lou is not happy with what he perceives as trump pivoting away from his base on key issues, he thinks it's caused by the trump policy office being staffed by inexperienced young people. Dobbs was pointing the finger at mick mulvaney, the whitehouse chief of staff, but it makes more sense to me that it might be Ivanka and jared behind it. Also populating the campaign team with people they get along with, but not exactly steve bannon types in tune with trump's base. [ which like it or not is millions of decent patriotic americans]

The financial markets slumped yesterday and I've always thought trump going on about a soaring stock market was a mistake, claiming it was a sign of his success and policies, low interest rates and quantiative easing for years means the market is not a true barometer of economic health. Markets always go down at some point and it looks like that is now happening, so possibly a recession before the 2020 election which won't help trump one bit [I actually think the western countries have been in the same zombie economy condition since 2008, a huge crash was prevented then but all this did was delay the inevitable ]

Also when I see share prices for companies like amazon, google, apple it makes me think something is not quite right, a single share in google is over $1,000, apple $200, amazon $1700, how much tax are they paying? [last year google's net revenue was 137 billion and after all the balance sheet manipulation/avoidance the tax paid is only 4 billion , they have operating costs but surely not over 100 billion each year? ] This also ties into the huge govt debt and deficits, tax avoidance by corporations and off shoring of huge wealth, at some point this will have to be addressed I think.

Anyhow back to Lou, he has Ed rollins on his show nearly everynight, Ed was involved in the reagan campaigns and is chairman of the 'great america PAC' which supported trump in 2016, basically a veteran of republican politics for yonks. He thinks the 2020 contest is going to be tight and definitely not a walk-in, the democrat contender will have beaten over 20 other candidates by that stage and not just been placed in the role like hillary more or less was, so they will be quite a formidable, polished opponent for trump.

If trump pivots further away from his base [possibly due to influence from ivanka and PR people etc...] they may not go out to vote in the same number as before. The border wall hasn't been built, that's a pretty big elephant in the room, 50% built would've probably been the expectation to match his rhetoric and focus on it in the 2016 campaign. At the rate of progress it would be miles off completion by the end of a 2nd term...

I guess if the dems choose a far left candidate, trump's base will be motivated to come out to vote in order to try and prevent them from winning...the dems candidates do look a bit weak compared to previous years, beto o'rouke is like a mediocre obama impressionist, even down to the rolled up shirt sleeves, which seems to be an affectation that quite a few of the male democrats do.

Elizabeth warren has acquired quite a bit of momentum, after obama being the first black president, the dems now want the first female one. If it was warren, trump will be tempted to use that native indian ancestry thing against her but that could backfire. Kamala harris looks like she has dropped down the pegging order, I've never found her that convincing as the leading candidate, a former state prosecutor being the democratic nominee doesn't quite fit to my mind, and she's not popular amongst black voters for some reason or other, but who knows she may still win out.

Lou and Stu Varney were pretty much the originals at cnn. I posted a picture of them a while back.
Dobbs was front and center on immigration while at cnn for years. They basically fired him over it and Bill O'Riley save his career. I remember the night O'Riley had him on. O'Riley was dethroned over a sex scandal and Tucker took his prime time spot. Dobbs interrupts his guests a little too much for my liking.

Ed Rollins is an excellent no non-sense analyst. I always listen to his take on things. (I would not mess with him as he's a 5 times golden glove boxing champion, Dobbs has 1 golden glove).

The stock market here has been going up and down for weeks. It always recovers quickly. That drop yesterday was over the China/US tariff war. China is banking on Trump losing and Biden or some other status quo candidate winning so they can continue their IP theft and forced technology xfer. Its a gamble.

I mentioned it before about the Dems pivoting off Trump and more towards policy, especially Warren. Unless there is a recession I don't see Trump losing. Attacking ICE facilities and calling 60+ million Trump voters White Nationalists is sure to fire up the Trump base.

I don't know what Jarrad is working on but I heard in passing that Ivanka is involved with "opportunity zones".

I heard 14 miles of new wall has been build since the Supreme Court ruled (in june I think) that Trump could use the Pentagon money. A mile a week is being build. I also heard quite a bit of old wall has been replaced. I forget the number.

Btw, I wanted to ask you how did May get elected, was it because she was the most qualified at the time or more ID politics?

Have you watched any MSNBC videos?

 

[slotplayer]

Yes, with the build up of paramilitary forces near Hong Kong it could escalate. Hard to give up freedom.

 

[mack341]

Lou and Stu Varney were pretty much the originals at cnn. I posted a picture of them a while back.
Dobbs was front and center on immigration while at cnn for years. They basically fired him over it and Bill O'Riley save his career. I remember the night O'Riley had him on. O'Riley was dethroned over a sex scandal and Tucker took his prime time spot. Dobbs interrupts his guests a little too much for my liking.

Ed Rollins is an excellent no non-sense analyst. I always listen to his take on things. (I would not mess with him as he's a 5 times golden glove boxing champion, Dobbs has 1 golden glove).

The stock market here has been going up and down for weeks. It always recovers quickly. That drop yesterday was over the China/US tariff war. China is banking on Trump losing and Biden or some other status quo candidate winning so they can continue their IP theft and forced technology xfer. Its a gamble.

I mentioned it before about the Dems pivoting off Trump and more towards policy, especially Warren. Unless there is a recession I don't see Trump losing. Attacking ICE facilities and calling 60+ million Trump voters White Nationalists is sure to fire up the Trump base.

I don't know what Jarrad is working on but I heard in passing that Ivanka is involved with "opportunity zones".

I heard 14 miles of new wall has been build since the Supreme Court ruled (in june I think) that Trump could use the Pentagon money. A mile a week is being build. I also heard quite a bit of old wall has been replaced. I forget the number.

Btw, I wanted to ask you how did May get elected, was it because she was the most qualified at the time or more ID politics?

Have you watched any MSNBC videos?

not recently no, I did watch a bit of morning joe a while back and it wan't as bad as I was expecting. May won the conservative leadership contest when cameron resigned after the brexit vote [the coward should've had to stay on in my book] but funnily enough I don't remember it being as long and drawn out as the recent boris johnson one, not sure if they changed the rules.

She played on the margaret thatcher similarity [basically being a female conservative who comes across a bit bossy and unforgiving] and pretended she wanted to honour the brexit result when in fact she was a card carrying remainer.

Thank goodness labour never backed her plan otherwise she would have walked the vote, her deal was basically keeping the uk still tied as close as possible to europe, she never really spoke about ID politics that much, but I sense she was pushing lgbt stuff in the background through schools etc..and she was very much in favour of control of the internet, she'd probably want to ban this thread!

We're are going to be the first modern western society with strict internet regulation/censorship, to cover things like 'disinformation' and one man's truth is another's disinfo..

"digital secretary Jeremy Wright said: “The era of self-regulation for online companies is over. Voluntary actions from industry to tackle onlineharms have not been applied consistently or gone far enough. Tech can be an incredible force for good and we want the sector to be part of the solution in protecting their users. However those that fail to do this will face tough action.

”We want the UK to be the safest place in the world to go online, and the best place to start and grow a digital business and our proposals for new laws will help make sure everyone in our country can enjoy the Internet safely.”

....to comply with codes of practice issued by the regulator, such as requirements to minimise the spread of misleading and harmful disinformation with dedicated fact checkers, particularly during election periods.

They could've focused on the terrorism and child porn, fine 100% agree, but to start trying to regulate and dictate people's opinion [especially political ones] is orwellian.

Have looked for stu varney's show on utube, varney and co, but there are no uploads, just a few odd clips. Is his show daily, and how long is it on for?

Yeah lou does interject quite a lot, he was getting rude with ed last night, but I guess he's seen a lot and gets impatient to hear hard hitting truth, whereas IMO guests don't tend to want to go too far, I don't suppose though he would care if he got fired now.

 

[mack341]

Just an add on to the above regarding the border wall and also epstein.

It's hard to find an up to date figure for the distance the wall will cover, a 2017 telegraph article has it at 1,000 miles, so on a 1 mile a week rate that is about twenty years to complete. I can see it being left unfinished either by 2020 or 2024, I think it will go down in history as his dream that was never completed.

Somebody like mike pence might be able to get it completed if he were to win the presidency in 2024 [assuming trump lasts that long] but in general I don't think the RINO part of the party is in favour of the wall, once trump's gone I assume they will take back full control of the republican party as the donors tend to favour them. Paul Ryan could then resurface, somebody like that. Mitch will soon be gone no doubt. I was shocked to find out nancy pelosi is 80 next year, all the old guard holding power in both parties will have to make way at some point.

Joe biden is too old, he should retire to spend time with his family not waste his precious remaining years campaigning and debating sjw politics everyday, I guess the chance to go down in history as a president is too strong to resist though, his last shot.

Regarding Epstein's death, I think the responsibility should be laying more firmly at trump's door than it presently is, this mysterious and convenient death has happened on his watch and yet he makes out as if he's a passenger and the clinton's are still running the show.

For somebody who made a big claim to want to drain the swamp, epstein's trial could've helped to do some of that, but this opportunity has now been lost, if I was part of trump's base I'd be pretty pissed off. Apparently a bone in epstein's neck was found to be broken which is more common in strangulation rather than hanging [also the bed sheets are supposedly paper-like too ]

I guess the deep state did it and they're above donald trump in terms of real power, and I doubt barr's investigations are going to lead anywhere, having watched the various ex officials wheeled into the tv studio to discuss it, I can see closing ranks and a smell of cover up a mile off.

 

[slotplayer]

Just an add on to the above regarding the border wall and also epstein.

It's hard to find an up to date figure for the distance the wall will cover, a 2017 telegraph article has it at 1,000 miles, so on a 1 mile a week rate that is about twenty years to complete. I can see it being left unfinished either by 2020 or 2024, I think it will go down in history as his dream that was never completed.

Somebody like mike pence might be able to get it completed if he were to win the presidency in 2024 [assuming trump lasts that long] but in general I don't think the RINO part of the party is in favour of the wall, once trump's gone I assume they will take back full control of the republican party as the donors tend to favour them. Paul Ryan could then resurface, somebody like that. Mitch will soon be gone no doubt. I was shocked to find out nancy pelosi is 80 next year, all the old guard holding power in both parties will have to make way at some point.

Joe biden is too old, he should retire to spend time with his family not waste his precious remaining years campaigning and debating sjw politics everyday, I guess the chance to go down in history as a president is too strong to resist though, his last shot.

Regarding Epstein's death, I think the responsibility should be laying more firmly at trump's door than it presently is, this mysterious and convenient death has happened on his watch and yet he makes out as if he's a passenger and the clinton's are still running the show.

For somebody who made a big claim to want to drain the swamp, epstein's trial could've helped to do some of that, but this opportunity has now been lost, if I was part of trump's base I'd be pretty pissed off. Apparently a bone in epstein's neck was found to be broken which is more common in strangulation rather than hanging [also the bed sheets are supposedly paper-like too ]

I guess the deep state did it and they're above donald trump in terms of real power, and I doubt barr's investigations are going to lead anywhere, having watched the various ex officials wheeled into the tv studio to discuss it, I can see closing ranks and a smell of cover up a mile off.

Stu is on 9am to noon est. on the Fox Business channel.

My guess is Trump wants no part of Epstein because the liberal media will paint him as a pf. Word is Trump banned Epstein from Mara Largo 15 years ago because he was harassing the staff. Criminals that harm women and children don't last long in US prisons anyway. No doubt the elites wanted him gone so he didn't rat them out. This is your conspiracy.

I think the CBP wanted 700 miles of wall. Even if Trump builds the wall 100% the sjw will just tear it down when they gain power. Pelosi was going to retire but stayed on after Trump was elected, same for Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bater Ginsberg.

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Stu is on 9am to noon est. on the Fox Business channel.

My guess is Trump wants no part of Epstein because the liberal media will paint him as a pf. Word is Trump banned Epstein from Mara Largo 15 years ago because he was harassing the staff. Criminals that harm women and children don't last long in US prisons anyway. No doubt the elites wanted him gone so he didn't rat them out. This is your conspiracy.

I think the CBP wanted 700 miles of wall. Even if Trump builds the wall 100% the sjw will just tear it down when they gain power. Pelosi was going to retire but stayed on after Trump was elected, same for Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bater Ginsberg.

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Thanks for the links slotplayer, I 've bookmarked the adam townsend blog re google, some interesting articles there.

I just can't understand the lack of political will to circumvent google's tax avoidance strategies, not specifically from trump's govt as it's been going on years, amazon and the US coffee companies pull off the same tricks here in the uk, they almost claim to be losing money from their operations.

And yet google want to help the dems win and are in favour of sjw identity politics but don't want to pay their fair share of tax in order to finance all the democrat's ideas, more hypocrisy by the corporate liberal elites.

I wasn't confident about that 1,000 mile figure for the border wall, but even at 750 miles that's longer than the physical length of the uk, it's a massive length of wall. I don't know why he doesn't get the army engineers etc.. to help build it quicker [maybe he is?]

I think you're right though, I can see a symbolic dismantling carried out by the left if they get into power, and yet it will be people living in the poor areas who will end up suffering most from a larger population and the drugs being shipped in.

I thought that ginsberg judge woman was meant to retire due to age or ill health but I guess the democrats don't want trump appointing another conservative lifetime judge, just checked she's 86 years old, is she really going to try and stay on till she's 90 just to prevent a conservative replacing her if true that's mendacious desperation isn't it.

I have to say politics is far more front and centre on US tv than politics is here, brexit is the closest we've come for years to have an issue dominate tv programs and schedules and people being visceral about it. I can't remember another issue debated and dragged on as long as this.

In fairness I'm not sure Trump could've done anything to prevent epstein being topped, it was probably decided that it was in the national interest, and I listened to a former attorney saying the other day, that the original acosta sweetheart deal would've had to been agreed further up the chain of command, and that goes back to the bush jr presidency and who was the AG then I guess.

I don't think trump made a decision to have epstein topped to protect himself either, however I think he'd be serving the american public better now by trying to expose it, rather than simply going along with what's been done. But I guess with federal and state laws, the president has his hands tied to some degree, he hasn't got the powers of a dictator and has to work within the system of law and the agencies that administer it. Cui bono has got to be a factor in this epstein suicide scenario though...

Edit: I have caught a bit of bill o'reilly on his youtube channel, not sure what to make of him, compared to trump he comes across more aggressive/grouchy ...but quite a canny analyst of politics none the less. Oh he used to have the slot where tucker is now.

Stu varney is on three hours a day! I wonder why none of his shows get uploaded, he's quite a character and interesting to watch/listen to.

 

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Thanks for the links slotplayer, I 've bookmarked the adam townsend blog re google, some interesting articles there.

I just can't understand the lack of political will to circumvent google's tax avoidance strategies, not specifically from trump's govt as it's been going on years, amazon and the US coffee companies pull off the same tricks here in the uk, they almost claim to be losing money from their operations.

And yet google want to help the dems win and are in favour of sjw identity politics but don't want to pay their fair share of tax in order to finance all the democrat's ideas, more hypocrisy by the corporate liberal elites.

I wasn't confident about that 1,000 mile figure for the border wall, but even at 750 miles that's longer than the physical length of the uk, it's a massive length of wall. I don't know why he doesn't get the army engineers etc.. to help build it quicker [maybe he is?]

I think you're right though, I can see a symbolic dismantling carried out by the left if they get into power, and yet it will be people living in the poor areas who will end up suffering most from a larger population and the drugs being shipped in.

I thought that ginsberg judge woman was meant to retire due to age or ill health but I guess the democrats don't want trump appointing another conservative lifetime judge, just checked she's 86 years old, is she really going to try and stay on till she's 90 just to prevent a conservative replacing her if true that's mendacious desperation isn't it.

I have to say politics is far more front and centre on US tv than politics is here, brexit is the closest we've come for years to have an issue dominate tv programs and schedules and people being visceral about it. I can't remember another issue debated and dragged on as long as this.

In fairness I'm not sure Trump could've done anything to prevent epstein being topped, it was probably decided that it was in the national interest, and I listened to a former attorney saying the other day, that the original acosta sweetheart deal would've had to been agreed further up the chain of command, and that goes back to the bush jr presidency and who was the AG then I guess.

I don't think trump made a decision to have epstein topped to protect himself either, however I think he'd be serving the american public better now by trying to expose it, rather than simply going along with what's been done. But I guess with federal and state laws, the president has his hands tied to some degree, he hasn't got the powers of a dictator and has to work within the system of law and the agencies that administer it. Cui bono has got to be a factor in this epstein suicide scenario though...

Edit: I have caught a bit of bill o'reilly on his youtube channel, not sure what to make of him, compared to trump he comes across more aggressive/grouchy ...but quite a canny analyst of politics none the less. Oh he used to have the slot where tucker is now.

Stu varney is on three hours a day! I wonder why none of his shows get uploaded, he's quite a character and interesting to watch/listen to.

Epstein had that island so who knows what was going on there. I don't think Trump or AG Bar had anything to do with the Epstein suicide, soon to be ruled a homicide it seems.

The border is 2000 miles but much of it has natural barriers.

This might be where I heard the 1 mile of new wall a week. I hope it doesn't trigger anyone.(lol)

Published on Jul 27, 2019