North Korea and US politics

[Kroffe]

Some fair comments in those two posts above which I can't disagree with, it'll be interesting to see who replaces bolton.

Bolton?

 

[Harry_BKK]

I see Cadet Bonespurs is yet again l(c)ocked and loaded. Yet again with no clear plan or even just proper evidence as to who executed the attacks.

What a peace-loving man, eh @mack341 ?

 

[mack341]

I see Cadet Bonespurs is yet again l(c)ocked and loaded. Yet again with no clear plan or even just proper evidence as to who executed the attacks.

What a peace-loving man, eh @mack341 ?

If this goes beyond the usual sabre rattling and tough talk then I'll have to revise my opinion on his peace credentials, he should be trying to solve the cause of these attacks at the root, which is likely the ongoing saudia arabia and yemen war, not pouring more gasoline on the fire as it were.

 

[Harry_BKK]

If this goes beyond the usual sabre rattling and tough talk then I'll have to revise my opinion on his peace credentials, he should be trying to solve the cause of these attacks at the root, which is likely the ongoing saudia arabia and yemen war, not pouring more gasoline on the fire as it were.

Especially hypocritical since the US backs Saudi-Arabia and supplies the weapons which killed thousands of civilians in Yemen. No word on that. but when some metal fuel tanks get hit and a few fires are set off without a single human casualty then he is instantly "locked and loaded".

Mr T just vetoed Congress to have another $8 billion in weaponry delivered asap to SA. Yeah, he loves peace!

 

[vorcirion]

I don't know which one is worse speaker...Giuliani or Trump. But it feels like the democrats should start paying Giuliani for his services.

 

[mack341]

I don't know which one is worse speaker...Giuliani or Trump. But it feels like the democrats should start paying Giuliani for his services.

I must admit when I read or heard ages ago Giuliani was trump's attorney, I had one of those moments...for one I didn't even realise rudy was a lawyer. I don't really trust rudy, I listen to him when he's interviewed on fox, but my 'bs' filter is very much alert, he's not a straightforward conservative where you can easily follow his train of thought.

Not sure what this recent story re ukraine is about though, (ukraine are not friendly with russia) but trump promised a foreign leader something, dodgy enough though to trigger someone hearing the conversation to whistleblow.

Is this the same story as the joe biden related one?

 

[vorcirion]

I must admit when I read or heard ages ago Giuliani was trump's attorney, I had one of those moments...for one I didn't even realise rudy was a lawyer. I don't really trust rudy, I listen to him when he's interviewed on fox, but my 'bs' filter is very much alert, he's not a straightforward conservative where you can easily follow his train of thought.

Not sure what this recent story re ukraine is about though, (ukraine are not friendly with russia) but trump promised a foreign leader something, dodgy enough though to trigger someone hearing the conversation to whistleblow.

Is this the same story as the joe biden related one?

Yeah it's the same story. It's like Trump basically promising something to Ukraine to investigate (or maybe withholding money from Ukraine unless they investigate) Biden's son (Hunter) for...something. Anything to use against Joe Biden.

 

[Steviedoo]

Yeah it's the same story. It's like Trump basically promising something to Ukraine to investigate (or maybe withholding money from Ukraine unless they investigate) Biden's son (Hunter) for...something. Anything to use against Joe Biden.

Amazing...had this been any other president he would have been impeached a long time ago...the democrats really do not know what they are doing.

 

[slotplayer]

I must admit when I read or heard ages ago Giuliani was trump's attorney, I had one of those moments...for one I didn't even realise rudy was a lawyer. I don't really trust rudy, I listen to him when he's interviewed on fox, but my 'bs' filter is very much alert, he's not a straightforward conservative where you can easily follow his train of thought.

Not sure what this recent story re ukraine is about though, (ukraine are not friendly with russia) but trump promised a foreign leader something, dodgy enough though to trigger someone hearing the conversation to whistleblow.

Is this the same story as the joe biden related one?

Giuliani is not the same as he was years ago but when he was mayor of NY he reduced crime significantly. He also helped break up the mafia but his biggest moment was his leadership during 9/11.

09.28.01: Giuliani's leadership

 

[slotplayer]

Biden's on tape.

1:05 onwards

Published on Apr 3, 2019

 

[vorcirion]

Biden's on tape.

1:05 onwards

Published on Apr 3, 2019

Yeah that's fair criticism and that should be brought up in the primaries. I hope democrats nominate someone else than Biden or Bernie.

 

[vorcirion]

Giuliani is not the same as he was years ago but when he was mayor of NY he reduced crime significantly. He also helped break up the mafia but his biggest moment was his leadership during 9/11.

09.28.01: Giuliani's leadership

Trump seems to have kind of corrupting presence. Good people become corrupt, lying toadies. Lindsey Graham and the republican party as a whole are good examples.

 

[slotplayer]

Yeah that's fair criticism and that should be brought up in the primaries. I hope democrats nominate someone else than Biden or Bernie.

I think Warren is going to be the nominee. The pundits say Bernie has gone as far as he's going to go. Booker needs to raise $1.7 million by the 30th to keep his campaign going.

 

[mack341]

Giuliani is not the same as he was years ago but when he was mayor of NY he reduced crime significantly. He also helped break up the mafia but his biggest moment was his leadership during 9/11.

09.28.01: Giuliani's leadership

I appreciate he did a great job cutting the NY crime, I do not accept the official 9/11 narrative, but if Giuliani actions and leadership helped the victim's families etc.. then that is commendable too. Just looking at his bio on wiki and he's had a long legal career, certainly an interesting character. I don't know how long he's been working for trump, I have a hunch it started when trump's lawyer cohen got in trouble.

Putting all that aside and just going on the bits I see of rudy on fox, and something doesn't come across right to me, he's prepared to go so far in criticising the status quo and then that's it, he doesn't follow the logic of his own conclusions.

A bit like Bill Barr the attorney general, looks like the white knight come to battle corruption but more of a swamp gatekeeper than anything, a safe pair of hands hired to manage the situation and do damage limitation for the deep state. According to general flynn's defence attorney, sidney powell, the govt is still witholding relevant material to his defence, so that must be under barr's say so

 

[slotplayer]

I appreciate he did a great job cutting the NY crime, I do not accept the official 9/11 narrative, but if Giuliani actions and leadership helped the victim's families etc.. then that is commendable too. Just looking at his bio on wiki and he's had a long legal career, certainly an interesting character. I don't know how long he's been working for trump, I have a hunch it started when trump's lawyer cohen got in trouble.

Putting all that aside and just going on the bits I see of rudy on fox, and something doesn't come across right to me, he's prepared to go so far in criticising the status quo and then that's it, he doesn't follow the logic of his own conclusions.

A bit like Bill Barr the attorney general, looks like the white knight come to battle corruption but more of a swamp gatekeeper than anything, a safe pair of hands hired to manage the situation and do damage limitation for the deep state. According to general flynn's defence attorney, sidney powell, the govt is still witholding relevant material to his defence, so that must be under barr's say so

Well according to this article its classified material.

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Speaking of the Swamp - Steve Hilton - Swamp Watch.
(Did you know of him when he was in the UK?)

Published on Nov 12, 2018





Published on Apr 28, 2019

 

[vorcirion]

Well according to this article its classified material.

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Speaking of the Swamp - Steve Hilton - Swamp Watch.
(Did you know of him when he was in the UK?)

Published on Nov 12, 2018





Published on Apr 28, 2019

Fox News doing Swamp Watch is ridiculous though They are part of the problem of Trump-era. They spread lies and hatred and do brainwashing and distort truth etc.

 

[vorcirion]

I think Warren is going to be the nominee. The pundits say Bernie has gone as far as he's going to go. Booker needs to raise $1.7 million by the 30th to keep his campaign going.

Yeah Warren might be the nominee. I hope Biden falls in polls soon...and I hope those votes go to Buttigieg. Warren vs Buttigieg would be an interesting match to watch. Both of those would be great presidents.

 

[slotplayer]

Fox News doing Swamp Watch is ridiculous though They are part of the problem of Trump-era. They spread lies and hatred and do brainwashing and distort truth etc.

Ha, I think you mean CNN and MSNBC.

 

[mack341]

Well according to this article its classified material.

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Speaking of the Swamp - Steve Hilton - Swamp Watch.
(Did you know of him when he was in the UK?)

Published on Nov 12, 2018





Published on Apr 28, 2019

Sidney powell seems to me to be a straight person, and any trial involving the fbi/cia could involve classified material, the evidence that didn't help his case and got him convicted may have also been classified but they chose to release that, I think she's onto something, his previous defence team was pretty poor in doing their job apparently.

I personally think flynn has been stitched up, mueller needed a big scalp at the time to build pressure on trump. I heard paul manafort has also been kept in isolation to get him to turn and implicate others falsely.

I seem to recall steve hilton was hired by david cameron for a while to advise him on 'doing things differently' kind of open sky thinking, then I see now that he has his own show on fox news. Which is owned by murdoch, and cameron had close ties to the murdoch empire via rebekah brooks and andy coulson, so there is a connection there. Not sure I fully trust murdoch to get to the bottom of the swamp as I think he's part of it, but I have caught bits of that steve hilton's show and it seems reasonable enough, he asks quite challenging questions of guests, doesn't seem a stooge or gatekeeper.

It's interesting that tucker and lou and stu all worked for CNN etc so in all likelihood not die hard republicans like bill o'reilly or limbaugh but more in line with the average person, not overly keen on overseas wars, nafta and the loss of jobs etc... want illegal immigration and crime reduced, these are normal policy ideas which the left and msm try to paint as far right or oddly unpatriotic/un-american.

Hannity can be okay on some topics and the crossover chat with laura shows a more normal side to him, but a lot of the other 'b' grade presenters are pretty poor, greg gutfield and jesse watters etc... you don't hear much about megyn kelly these days, she was one of the main presenters in the 2016 presidential debate shows. She interviewed putin and then that was about it, she disappeared from view.

 

[mack341]

Just on rupert murdoch, it's difficult to fully know his real political views, and how it might differ from some of the output of his papers and tv channels, he has been very influential in uk politics for decades and our country has followed a fairly relaxed immigration system to say the least, some people like that but probably the majority would prefer a stricter regime.

found the following on cnn's site from 2015:

Media mogul Rupert Murdoch, who is considered a conservative kingmaker as the man behind Fox News, thinks Donald Trump is "wrong" about immigrants. On Twitter on Sunday night, Murdoch acknowledged Trump's popularity but took a swipe at the candidate's comments about illegal immigration. Trump's campaign to be the Republican presidential candidate has swelled in support and media attention following his controversial remarks about the threat posed by undocumented immigrants in the United States. He sparked outrage by saying that some people crossing the border from Mexico were "rapists" and "criminals."

The comments found support among some, but also a pile of criticism. A slew of corporations, including Macy's, NBC, Univision and ESPN responded to his inflammatory remarks by severing business ties with the real estate magnate.

And on Sunday, the influential Murdoch added his voice to the chorus.
"Mexican immigrants, as with all immigrants, have much lower crime rate than native born," Murdoch wrote on his Twitter account. He cited El Paso as one of the safest cities, and added, "Trump wrong."

.....And Murdoch has expressed moderate views about immigration in the past. In March he lambasted unspecified Republicans for "talking immigration nonsense on strengthening the border while no net inflow from Mexico for long time."

So how the above fits with lou dobb's views and tuckers etc.. I don't know

 

[vorcirion]

Biden's on tape.

1:05 onwards

Published on Apr 3, 2019

Guess it was no surprise that the information you provided is again completely bs. Read from multiple sources that Viktor Shokin provided cover for those corrupt officials and that's why Obama's administration wanted to get rid of him. Shokin said that he was investigating Burisma Holdings that employed Biden's son but in fact there had been no investigation.

You really love these distorted truths and brainwashing things and you don't even bother finding out the facts. Again there are 0 facts that help Trump and plenty of facts that Trump once again is behaving criminally.

Have you considered applying for a job in FoxNews? You seem to have some talent for spreading false information

 

[slotplayer]

Sidney powell seems to me to be a straight person, and any trial involving the fbi/cia could involve classified material, the evidence that didn't help his case and got him convicted may have also been classified but they chose to release that, I think she's onto something, his previous defence team was pretty poor in doing their job apparently.

I personally think flynn has been stitched up, mueller needed a big scalp at the time to build pressure on trump. I heard paul manafort has also been kept in isolation to get him to turn and implicate others falsely.

I seem to recall steve hilton was hired by david cameron for a while to advise him on 'doing things differently' kind of open sky thinking, then I see now that he has his own show on fox news. Which is owned by murdoch, and cameron had close ties to the murdoch empire via rebekah brooks and andy coulson, so there is a connection there. Not sure I fully trust murdoch to get to the bottom of the swamp as I think he's part of it, but I have caught bits of that steve hilton's show and it seems reasonable enough, he asks quite challenging questions of guests, doesn't seem a stooge or gatekeeper.

It's interesting that tucker and lou and stu all worked for CNN etc so in all likelihood not die hard republicans like bill o'reilly or limbaugh but more in line with the average person, not overly keen on overseas wars, nafta and the loss of jobs etc... want illegal immigration and crime reduced, these are normal policy ideas which the left and msm try to paint as far right or oddly unpatriotic/un-american.

Hannity can be okay on some topics and the crossover chat with laura shows a more normal side to him, but a lot of the other 'b' grade presenters are pretty poor, greg gutfield and jesse watters etc... you don't hear much about megyn kelly these days, she was one of the main presenters in the 2016 presidential debate shows. She interviewed putin and then that was about it, she disappeared from view.

I'm not too big on Gutfield but he's on "the five" and ok there. Watters started in the mail room and then produced for O'Reiley, he's on the the five to.

Megan Kelly, left Fox to go to NBC in a big contract but was fired over a blackface comment in 2018 during the Democratic Virginia Governor Ralph Northam drama, not unlike the JT drama in Canada.

Kelly said it was "OK" when she was growing up to wear blackface "as long as you dressed up as a character." She later apologized, but NBC still abruptly canceled her show.

More virtuous liberal bs.

 

[slotplayer]

Just on rupert murdoch, it's difficult to fully know his real political views, and how it might differ from some of the output of his papers and tv channels, he has been very influential in uk politics for decades and our country has followed a fairly relaxed immigration system to say the least, some people like that but probably the majority would prefer a stricter regime.

found the following on cnn's site from 2015:

Media mogul Rupert Murdoch, who is considered a conservative kingmaker as the man behind Fox News, thinks Donald Trump is "wrong" about immigrants. On Twitter on Sunday night, Murdoch acknowledged Trump's popularity but took a swipe at the candidate's comments about illegal immigration. Trump's campaign to be the Republican presidential candidate has swelled in support and media attention following his controversial remarks about the threat posed by undocumented immigrants in the United States. He sparked outrage by saying that some people crossing the border from Mexico were "rapists" and "criminals."

The comments found support among some, but also a pile of criticism. A slew of corporations, including Macy's, NBC, Univision and ESPN responded to his inflammatory remarks by severing business ties with the real estate magnate.

And on Sunday, the influential Murdoch added his voice to the chorus.
"Mexican immigrants, as with all immigrants, have much lower crime rate than native born," Murdoch wrote on his Twitter account. He cited El Paso as one of the safest cities, and added, "Trump wrong."

.....And Murdoch has expressed moderate views about immigration in the past. In March he lambasted unspecified Republicans for "talking immigration nonsense on strengthening the border while no net inflow from Mexico for long time."

So how the above fits with lou dobb's views and tuckers etc.. I don't know

I could have sworn that Bill O' Riley said on one of his shows they can cover what they want the way they want. I don't know if he was talking about Murdoch or Roger Ailes or both.

 

[slotplayer]

Guess it was no surprise that the information you provided is again completely bs. Read from multiple sources that Viktor Shokin provided cover for those corrupt officials and that's why Obama's administration wanted to get rid of him. Shokin said that he was investigating Burisma Holdings that employed Biden's son but in fact there had been no investigation.

You really love these distorted truths and brainwashing things and you don't even bother finding out the facts. Again there are 0 facts that help Trump and plenty of facts that Trump once again is behaving criminally.

Have you considered applying for a job in FoxNews? You seem to have some talent for spreading false information

The only one who is brainwashed is you thinking that one side represents all that is good and virtuous.

 

[vorcirion]

The only one who is brainwashed is you thinking that one side represents all that is good and virtuous.

My side is facts. Your side is whatever suits your world view even if it's filled with lies.

 

[mack341]

I could have sworn that Bill O' Riley said on one of his shows they can cover what they want the way they want. I don't know if he was talking about Murdoch or Roger Ailes or both.

I think it would be hard to control Bill o'reilly, I've watched some of the videos on his youtube channel, and he's very forthright and formidable. I think I heard him recently say elizabeth warren is dangerous because she comes across as the nice, librarian type lady you can trust but will bring in an extreme form of socialism the same as bernie would if given a chance. That would make great, explosive tv bernie interviewed by bill

I never saw o'reilly's fox shows but I bet he drew a big audience, seems a bit of a waste of his broadcasting talent regardless of whether you like him or not, to be doing the stuff he does now, but I guess the numerous sex harassment lawsuits made him toxic for the main channels and you can understand that.

I think murdoch is a pragmatic businessman at the end of the day, fox must have a near monopoly on the american conservative viewership. It is interesting that the republicans are in the process of relaxing the visas for foreign workers, something lou dobbs has mentioned and is against, whereas old rupert is probably in favour of that.

 

[mack341]

I'm not too big on Gutfield but he's on "the five" and ok there. Watters started in the mail room and then produced for O'Reiley, he's on the the five to.

Megan Kelly, left Fox to go to NBC in a big contract but was fired over a blackface comment in 2018 during the Democratic Virginia Governor Ralph Northam drama, not unlike the JT drama in Canada.

Kelly said it was "OK" when she was growing up to wear blackface "as long as you dressed up as a character." She later apologized, but NBC still abruptly canceled her show.

More virtuous liberal bs.

I must admit I haven't watched much of gutfield, I just can't imagine him ever replacing tucker or lou, it seems he's more about providing a humorous take on things, you can't have serious heavy going politics on all day, be enough to drive the audience mad. So I guess this 5 show is a more light, magazine type show, probably quite popular.

I didn't like megyn that much politically, she was trying too hard to have a go at trump, but she is somebody I'd watch, quite an interesting lady if she stuck to being a journalist.

Edit: That vid sums up everything that is wrong with the pc politics in the US, going far too far, absolutely ridiculous that she lost her career for that, all the while the real problems in the country go undealt with. It's almost the same in the uk, trial by twitter and social media, political witch hunts if you're not fully 100 % onboard with the pc culture.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Guess it was no surprise that the information you provided is again completely bs. Read from multiple sources that Viktor Shokin provided cover for those corrupt officials and that's why Obama's administration wanted to get rid of him. Shokin said that he was investigating Burisma Holdings that employed Biden's son but in fact there had been no investigation.

You really love these distorted truths and brainwashing things and you don't even bother finding out the facts. Again there are 0 facts that help Trump and plenty of facts that Trump once again is behaving criminally.

Have you considered applying for a job in FoxNews? You seem to have some talent for spreading false information

As I said previously, I spend once in a while some time in US political discussion forums and it is time and again hilarious to read if not sad.

For the Biden non-story, the Mr T fans are out in full force, but when they are shown the facts they either go quiet or it starts ....but Hillary, but Obama, but FISA, but Comey, but Lisa Page....neverending.

The funny part is that multiple countries asked for that person to step down, it wasn't just Biden. And even funnier, Americans again trust more what a foreign country says that is at the bottom of the world ranking list for corruption, very close to the other friends of Mr T, Moscow Mitch and the rest of the supporters, Russia.

They also have high hopes that the OIG FISA investigation will finally fulfil their wet dreams!

 

[slotplayer]

I think it would be hard to control Bill o'reilly, I've watched some of the videos on his youtube channel, and he's very forthright and formidable. I think I heard him recently say elizabeth warren is dangerous because she comes across as the nice, librarian type lady you can trust but will bring in an extreme form of socialism the same as bernie would if given a chance. That would make great, explosive tv bernie interviewed by bill

I never saw o'reilly's fox shows but I bet he drew a big audience, seems a bit of a waste of his broadcasting talent regardless of whether you like him or not, to be doing the stuff he does now, but I guess the numerous sex harassment lawsuits made him toxic for the main channels and you can understand that.

I think murdoch is a pragmatic businessman at the end of the day, fox must have a near monopoly on the american conservative viewership. It is interesting that the republicans are in the process of relaxing the visas for foreign workers, something lou dobbs has mentioned and is against, whereas old rupert is probably in favour of that.

Google up the tv ratings sometime. The amount of viewers Fox gets over CNN is significant.

Apparently I emailed O'Reilly quite a number of times from 2004-2008. Twice he read them on the air. I don't remember which ones it was but his reply was something like don't be so ideologically blind. It made me think.

This is one from 2007 - when I was still a Democrat.

 

[mack341]

Google up the tv ratings sometime. The amount of viewers Fox gets over CNN is significant.

Apparently I emailed O'Reilly quite a number of times from 2004-2008. Twice he read them on the air. I don't remember which ones it was but his reply was something like don't be so ideologically blind. It made me think.

This is one from 2007 - when I was still a Democrat.

Bloody hell slotplayer you were busy emailing these public figures, good on you. That must have been something to have Bill reply on air to one of your emails, he scares me just watching his youtube channel, feel like he has a very short fuse

Funny looking at that list I noticed Bill Moyers, I watched his interview of elizabeth warren the other day, he came across quite well, very intelligent and perceptive I thought. Then I looked him up as I'd never come across him before, very impressive cv and bio he has, all sorts of awards.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The compassionate listening to what the youth has to say

The ignorant fool showing his arrogance (not even stopping to say hello)

 

[Harry_BKK]

Geez mack...you still think Mr T has a plan or is some genius chess player.

Fact is, Mr T wants a Nobel Peace prize at any cost to equal Obama. He lies himself to an equal or better footing compared to Obama for the all other aspects (economy, immigration, stock market, jobs etc) but he can't do that with the Nobel prize.

Really very simple and obvious if you observe how Mr T ticks.

@mack341

Quoting my own post now but just wanted to highlight what I said as Mr T was at it again.

In the meantime, the WH Trash TV-show is reaching its climax as we witnessed yet another typical Mr T episode, this time regarding the Ukraine calls and the whistleblower.

- First, complete denial
- Then - "I talk to many leaders".
- Then - "I talked about Biden"
- Then - "I asked them to investigate Biden"

Same with that support payment:

- First - nothing was held back
- Then - "I wanted to investigate about corruption in Ukraine"
- Then - "I wanted other countries to pay too or pay more before we pay"

Twisting and turning, so typical of a conman! Yet he will probably get away with it again. I am rather amazed or maybe I shouldn't be that apparently a US president has not read the constitution he is supposed to uphold.

Really hilarious to see how the WH changed its tune the soon the impeachment inquiry was launched. Suddenly, Mr T wants to release the call transcript (which I am pretty sure will be "sharpied" just like Nixon did) and the whistleblower complaint (which should not have been at the DOJ oR WH anyway).

Oh this is going to be fun to watch!

 

[Steviedoo]

@mack341

Quoting my own post now but just wanted to highlight what I said as Mr T was at it again.

In the meantime, the WH Trash TV-show is reaching its climax as we witnessed yet another typical Mr T episode, this time regarding the Ukraine calls and the whistleblower.

- First, complete denial
- Then - "I talk to many leaders".
- Then - "I talked about Biden"
- Then - "I asked them to investigate Biden"

Same with that support payment:

- First - nothing was held back
- Then - "I wanted to investigate about corruption in Ukraine"
- Then - "I wanted other countries to pay too or pay more before we pay"

Twisting and turning, so typical of a conman! Yet he will probably get away with it again. I am rather amazed or maybe I shouldn't be that apparently a US president has not read the constitution he is supposed to uphold.

Really hilarious to see how the WH changed its tune the soon the impeachment inquiry was launched. Suddenly, Mr T wants to release the call transcript (which I am pretty sure will be "sharpied" just like Nixon did) and the whistleblower complaint (which should not have been at the DOJ oR WH anyway).

Oh this is going to be fun to watch!

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You mean like we didn’t meet any Russians to there was a meeting with Russians but it was about adoption to we had a meeting with Russians they offered us dirt on Hilary...

You mean like that kind of twisting and lying...

Impeachment...will be a waste of time...

He has convoluted the truth and dictates the narrative at every turn..no mTter what they find out...it will be twisted and turned...and he will get away with it...

 

[Harry_BKK]

You mean like we didn’t meet any Russians to there was a meeting with Russians but it was about adoption to we had a meeting with Russians they offered us dirt on Hilary...

You mean like that kind of twisting and lying...

Impeachment...will be a waste of time...

He has convoluted the truth and dictates the narrative at every turn..no mTter what they find out...it will be twisted and turned...and he will get away with it...

Exactly, or Stormy Daniels or...or...or....countless cases where Mr T first totally denies and then lets the story out as needed to try and steer the narrative.

Yeah, I think too that he will get away.... again

 

[Harry_BKK]

You can read the transcript of the Ukraine call here. He talks exactly as I thought he would, very typical of a conman. I do something for you and you do something for me.

If this is not an impeachable offence then I don't know what is.

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[vorcirion]

You can read the transcript of the Ukraine call here. He talks exactly as I thought he would, very typical of a conman. I do something for you and you do something for me.

If this is not an impeachable offence then I don't know what is.

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Few people here might need Tucker's help to explain things to them Or maybe Tucker finds more important matters like gender neutral cookies or whatever.
But I'm glad Trump makes things easy with these released transcripts. Smart man that Trump.

 

[vorcirion]

That whistleblower complaint was supposed to be series of things. I guess this phone call is just part of it...wonder what else there is!

 

[Harry_BKK]

That whistleblower complaint was supposed to be series of things. I guess this phone call is just part of it...wonder what else there is!

It is very typical how Mr T operates. Let the stuff out in a piecemeal fashion, so they can control it along the way, well, or at least try. Just saw one Republican being interviewed and they are adamant there is no there there.

The Republicans impeached Clinton because of an affair and this guy is openly asking a foreign government to investigate his political rival, yet they see nothing.

He's asked for the Ukrainians to work with AG Barr, just think of that!!! Mr T asked to have the US AG taking part in an investigation of a domestic case in Ukraine, all the while holding back $250 million in defense support.

 

[mack341]

You can read the transcript of the Ukraine call here. He talks exactly as I thought he would, very typical of a conman. I do something for you and you do something for me.

If this is not an impeachable offence then I don't know what is.

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I only scanned read it, the biden/son issue seemed to be 1 part, but also 'crowd strike' and talking to AG Barr not just giuliani, which could be important/relevant to get to the bottom of the what went on with the FBI setting up an operation to spy on trump and his campaign team etc...

Do you anti trumpers see nothing odd in biden's son getting this role/job with the oil/gas firm when he has no experience in that field, no ability to speak the ukranian language, no connection to or history of working in that region of the world...but his dad just happens to be the vice president

And Joe from that clip talking at the CFR about the prosecutor, that he was a bad, corrupt man, and the articles I read recently said, a stooge of russia, well then if that was the case why would Petro Poroshenko have protested to biden about the withheld cash because he hadn't fired the prosecutor as agreed, the last thing Poroshenko would want is a prosecutor protecting russians/influence etc... so that doesn't quite add up, but until we know more about the investigation into the the gas/oil firm, it's difficult to say whether joe was acting to protect his son's position. Maybe that's why the gas firm hired biden's son in the first place to give them a bit of influence in the WH and so protection??

But Trump certainly hasn't helped himself here, whether he gets a thrill from people acting to his orders, exerting pressure to get them to do what he wants, like this new ukrainian president [who's pretty new to politics, and could be bullied] I don't know, he should have left it all up to Barr or the ambassador, they could quite easily phone and get access to the ukrainian justice minister and discuss any matters that way etc...

On a video I watched today which briefly discussed this, the timing with john bolton's firing was raised, which is interesting, possibly he could be the whistleblower or passed information on this trump phone call to others who then raised the alarm?

 

[vorcirion]

I only scanned read it, the biden/son issue seemed to be 1 part, but also 'crowd strike' and talking to AG Barr not just giuliani, which could be important/relevant to get to the bottom of the what went on with the FBI setting up an operation to spy on trump and his campaign team etc...

Do you anti trumpers see nothing odd in biden's son getting this role/job with the oil/gas firm when he has no experience in that field, no ability to speak the ukranian language, no connection to or history of working in that region of the world...but his dad just happens to be the vice president

And Joe from that clip talking at the CFR about the prosecutor, that he was a bad, corrupt man, and the articles I read recently said, a stooge of russia, well then if that was the case why would Petro Poroshenko have protested to biden about the withheld cash because he hadn't fired the prosecutor as agreed, the last thing Poroshenko would want is a prosecutor protecting russians/influence etc... so that doesn't quite add up, but until we know more about the investigation into the the gas/oil firm, it's difficult to say whether joe was acting to protect his son's position. Maybe that's why the gas firm hired biden's son in the first place to give them a bit of influence in the WH and so protection??

But Trump certainly hasn't helped himself here, whether he gets a thrill from people acting to his orders, exerting pressure to get them to do what he wants, like this new ukrainian president [who's pretty new to politics, and could be bullied] I don't know, he should have left it all up to Barr or the ambassador, they could quite easily phone and get access to the ukrainian justice minister and discuss any matters that way etc...

On a video I watched today which briefly discussed this, the timing with john bolton's firing was raised, which is interesting, possibly he could be the whistleblower or passed information on this trump phone call to others who then raised the alarm?

I don't understand your thought process. Don't you see anything wrong with Trump making these calls? Barr acting as his personal lawyer when he should be US's lawyer. And Giuliani doing government's (Trump's) business as a private citizen. US president using all this leverage against Ukraine just to get an investigation started against Biden's son.

But to you it's more important what Biden's son has done?

 

[mack341]

You can read the transcript of the Ukraine call here. He talks exactly as I thought he would, very typical of a conman. I do something for you and you do something for me.

If this is not an impeachable offence then I don't know what is.

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Harry that's how most rich, powerful businessmen talk and do business, Trump's a blunt, abrasive new yorker so it's more noticeable how he goes about it, he doesn't dress it up or use subtlety. But many politicians are lobbied on behalf of corporations and wealthy individuals all the time on the same basis. A conman to me is more of a trickster like madoff or allen stanford, when you think you're getting something in return but it never materialises, you can have con man politicians too, promising x,y,z to get votes and then reneging on commitments/promises.

 

[mack341]

I don't understand your thought process. Don't you see anything wrong with Trump making these calls? Barr acting as his personal lawyer when he should be US's lawyer. And Giuliani doing government's (Trump's) business as a private citizen. US president using all this leverage against Ukraine just to get an investigation started against Biden's son.

But to you it's more important what Biden's son has done?

Well the phone call would happen anyway between trump and this new president, to congratulate him, discuss matters etc... that's within trump's role and perfectly proper...but trying to screw a political rival that's when it gets murky. As I said trump should leave investigations to barr, and all barr needs is the ukrainians co-operation to investigate matters relevant to his ongoing work. It's not just about biden's son, I doubt barr is much interested in possible nepotism.

I feel trump is his own worst enemy at times, but to me this ukrainian/biden/crowd strike issue will be more complex than the narrative being presently presented, it's perhaps not just about biden's son. Trump can't help himself from getting involved in this sort of shady carry on, he's effectively taken his way of doing business into the political field, when he didn't need to. That's probably the 'con-man' complex harry is talking about, he can't switch it off, it's hard wired into him.

 

[vorcirion]

Well the phone call would happen anyway between trump and this new president, to congratulate him, discuss matters etc... that's within trump's role and perfectly proper...but trying to screw a political rival that's when it gets murky. As I said trump should leave investigations to barr, and all barr needs is the ukrainians co-operation to investigate matters relevant to his ongoing work. It's not just about biden's son, I doubt barr is much interested in possible nepotism.

I feel trump is his own worst enemy at times, but to me this ukrainian/biden/crowd strike issue will be more complex than the narrative being presently presented. Trump can't help himself from getting involved in this sort of shady carry on, he's effectively taken his way of doing business into the political field, when he didn't need to. That's probably the 'con-man' complex harry is talking about, he can't switch it off, it's hard wired into him.

So that's why in my opinion he shouldn't be the president. He's using the government for his own purposes. He should do what's good for the USA. Not what's good for him. And he's using the whole government going after his rivals! That's just criminal. Can't you agree with that?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Harry that's how most rich, powerful businessmen talk and do business, Trump's a blunt, abrasive new yorker so it's more noticeable how he goes about it, he doesn't dress it up or use subtlety. But many politicians are lobbied on behalf of corporations and wealthy individuals all the time on the same basis. A conman to me is more of a trickster like madoff or allen stanford, when you think you're getting something in return but it never materialises, you can have con man politicians too, promising x,y,z to get votes and then reneging on commitments/promises.

Mack, I had the opportunity to speak in my business dealings throughout 20 years to people ranging from owners of multi-billion companies, state secretaries to country ministers, to name just a few.

I can assure you, no one, not a single one who was a serious businessman/woman or government official would speak like that!!!

The way Mr T speaks is how the mob is speaking and I can give you an exact example from a project in an ex-USSR country which turned out to have some of the mob elements involved. The meaning of the words were exactly the same. In my case, it was a Minister for Agriculture telling me: "Look Mr M we are going to place a big order very soon and we do hope you will recognize that effort if you know what I mean. We will give you something and we expect something from you....etc etc ." It ended that he was asking for a 5% bribe from the project price. He never said it directly but whispered a few things into my agent's (and translator) ears who then told me about it after we left.

Mr T is a pure and simple a conman, that's how he operated all his adult life. A simple look at his dealings should clear that up for you.

 

[mack341]

So that's why in my opinion he shouldn't be the president. He's using the government for his own purposes. He should do what's good for the USA. Not what's good for him. And he's using the whole government going after his rivals! That's just criminal. Can't you agree with that?

I'll have to re-read it, the transcript , and watch tucker's show etc.. tonight

It could be said his rivals or opposition in the establishment used the FBI/CIA agency to go after him in 2016 etc...which is what barr is supposedly trying to investigate.

Much as you might not believe it, I am open minded to finding fault but I'm not going to jump to the conclusions the anti trump msm is trying to force feed me, it's too early, there could be fault on both sides or deeper than just biden's son. I don't think giuliani is a great advocate for trump, as he comes across slippery and not straightforward and candid, he's seems to be more of a politician than having a great legal mind.

 

[mack341]

Mack, I had the opportunity to speak in my business dealings throughout 20 years to people ranging from owners of multi-billion companies, state secretaries, country ministers to name just a few.

I can assure you, no one, not a single one who was a serious businessman/woman or government official would speak like that!!!

The way Mr T speaks is how the mob is speaking and I can give you an exact example from a project in an ex-USSR country which turned out to have some of the mob elements involved. The meaning of the words were exactly the same. In my case, it was a Minister for Agriculture telling me: "Look Mr M we are going to place a big order very soon and we do hope you will recognize that effort if you know what I mean. We will give you something and we expect something from you....etc etc ." It ended that he was asking for a 5% bribe from the project price. He never said it directly but whispered a few things into my agent's (and translator) ears who then told me about it after we left.

Mr T is a pure and simple a conman, that's how he operated all his adult life. A simple look at his dealings should clear that up for you.

I said he doesn't use subtlety, so in that respect he is like the 'mob' or a mafia don, however the text of your post which I highlighted in bold:
"I do something for you and you do something for me " is very common in business dealings and politics, surely you agree with that? That's what joe was doing, threatening to withold the money guarantees to the ukraine until they did what he or the US govt wanted

edit: it's not explicitly put but implied and dressed up in language, 'assist our strategy in this market' etc.. then the deal get's signed off, but it's when it slips into coercion that you have the gangster mafia approach, I'm not saying trump isn't capable of doing that or doesn't do it, the USA has a lot of power, look at the sanctions on iran and coercion on other countries to fall in line and follow the US lead.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Well the phone call would happen anyway between trump and this new president, to congratulate him, discuss matters etc... that's within trump's role and perfectly proper...but trying to screw a political rival that's when it gets murky. As I said trump should leave investigations to barr, and all barr needs is the ukrainians co-operation to investigate matters relevant to his ongoing work. It's not just about biden's son, I doubt barr is much interested in possible nepotism.

I feel trump is his own worst enemy at times, but to me this ukrainian/biden/crowd strike issue will be more complex than the narrative being presently presented, it's perhaps not just about biden's son. Trump can't help himself from getting involved in this sort of shady carry on, he's effectively taken his way of doing business into the political field, when he didn't need to. That's probably the 'con-man' complex harry is talking about, he can't switch it off, it's hard wired into him.

The election was at the beginning of April 2019 and you really think that it is normal to wait 4 months to make a congratulatory call??? Come on mack, start thinking!

The Biden case is not complicated at all. The IMF, EU, US, UN and few other countries were all pressuring the Ukrainians to fire that one corrupt prosecutor who up to 2013 looked into Burisma. Hunter Biden starting working for them in 2014.

Barr has no say whatsoever in a domestic investigation in Ukraine, none. There is no open case in the US on Biden Jr., so what legal basis do you think would he have to involve himself in an investigation in a foreign country?

Plus, the Ukrainian prosecutor general said in an interview in May 2019 that they looked into the case and there is nothing that implicates Biden/Biden Jr. Got that?

This is just Mr T and his sycophants trying to deflect. You know criminals/mobsters are best at saying: "But look over there!"

 

[Harry_BKK]

I'll have to re-read it, the transcript , and watch tucker's show etc.. tonight

It could be said his rivals or opposition in the establishment used the FBI/CIA agency to go after him in 2016 etc...which is what barr is supposedly trying to investigate.

Much as you might not believe it, I am open minded to finding fault but I'm not going to jump to the conclusions the anti trump msm is trying to force feed me, it's too early, there could be fault on both sides or deeper than just biden's son. I don't think giuliani is a great advocate for trump, as he comes across slippery and not straightforward and candid, he's seems to be more of a politician than having a great legal mind.

I wrote it actually wrongly. It is not a transcript, it is only a memo. So there might not be even everything included that was discussed. As I said, the "sharpied" version.

Mack, the US constitution is very clear on what you can do regarding getting info on opponents! There is no doubt, nor force feeding.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I said he doesn't use subtlety, so in that respect he is like the 'mob' or a mafia don, however the text of your post which I highlighted in bold:
"I do something for you and you do something for me " is very common in business dealings and politics, surely you agree with that? That's what joe was doing, threatening to withold the money guarantees to the ukraine until they did what he or the US govt wanted

Not when you deal with government officials! Period! They are not allowed to get even just a free lunch from you in such cases.

 

[mack341]

The election was at the beginning of April 2019 and you really think that it is normal to wait 4 months to make a congratulatory call??? Come on mack, start thinking!

The Biden case is not complicated at all. The IMF, EU, US, UN and few other countries were all pressuring the Ukrainians to fire that one corrupt prosecutor who up to 2013 looked into Burisma. Hunter Biden starting working for them in 2014.

Barr has no say whatsoever in a domestic investigation in Ukraine, none. There is no open case in the US on Biden Jr., so what legal basis do you think would he have to involve himself in an investigation in a foreign country?

Plus, the Ukrainian prosecutor general said in an interview in May 2019 that they looked into the case and there is nothing that implicates Biden/Biden Jr. Got that?

This is just Mr T and his sycophants trying to deflect. You know criminals/mobsters are best at saying: "But look over there!"

well 'crowd strike' was mentioned in that call, isn't that something barr is looking into?