North Korea and US politics

[goatwack]

 

[TheAddict]

Needing more lefties here..

It's sort of impressive how Tucker found his audience. All those people who believe whatever Trump/Tucker tells them to believe. Feels like a cult or something No independent thought remaining in that cult.

lol. Coming from someone who says he is one of the "lefties", that is quite a projection .

 

[vorcirion]

lol. Coming from someone who says he is one of the "lefties", that is quite a projection .

Weird comparsion but okay!

 

[mack341]

I'm sure you're happy to trust Tucker with your conspiratorial mind.

JEFFRIES:

The investigation also found substantial evidence that President Trump repeatedly urged McGahn to dispute that he was ordered to have the Special Counsel terminated, correct?

MUELLER:

Correct.

Is this the new game, copying and pasting ad nauseam the transcript of the democrat's 'leading' questions?

Keep the little insults coming too; you're showing your hive mind off well and are obviously a great believer in msm propaganda and sjw politics

 

[vorcirion]

Is this the new game, copying and pasting ad nauseam the transcript of the democrat's 'leading' questions?

Keep the little insults coming too; you're showing your hive mind off well and are obviously a great believer in msm propaganda and sjw politics

Mueller is responding very directly. But you choose not to believe the facts.

 

[slotplayer]

You need to find out the date the special council determined there was no collusion, before that there could be obstruction after that possible entrapment since there was no crime. My guess is it was early on, perhaps 6 months in to the investigation.

 

[vorcirion]

You need to find out the date the special council determined there was no collusion, before that there could be obstruction after that possible entrapment since there was no crime. My guess is it was early on, perhaps 6 months in to the investigation.

No you don't need to find out the date. Trump's actions during the investigation were criminal. And he's going to be charged for those crimes after the election...unless he gets re-elected of course.

 

[slotplayer]

It's sort of impressive how Tucker found his audience. All those people who believe whatever Trump/Tucker tells them to believe. Feels like a cult or something No independent thought remaining in that cult.

You mean this Tucker

 

[slotplayer]

No you don't need to find out the date. Trump's actions during the investigation were criminal. And he's going to be charged for those crimes after the election...unless he gets re-elected of course.

I doubt it. The Donald is going to win re-election. Nancy Pelosi is going to lose the House. The Repubs will pick up seats in the Senate. AOC will lose to the lovely Jamacian woman, (I forgot her full name, I think its Sherie).

The Guardian darling IIlan Omar will also lose, become even more radicalized and end up in Federal prison.

 

[vorcirion]

You mean this Tucker

"This isn't a medical program so we're not gonna speculate about it...", "...he came because democrats forced him. They knew his condition."
And what condition that might be? Tucker skipped all the obstruction questions too.
Well at least Tucker is getting rich from his cult members. Next step for you is joining the QAnon.

 

[mack341]

Mueller is responding very directly. But you choose not to believe the facts.

Mueller hardly said anything, nothing beyond the report, couldn't or wouldn't answer any of the more interesting questions by the republicans; it was like the whole thing, a waste of time.

Trump's still got his feet under the oval office desk, so what has it achieved..he'll go on trial at a later date after he's finished being president? Don't you realise how silly, divisive and also vindictive that sounds?

Have you read both volumes of the mueller report by any chance? Has anyone from the anti trump brigade read it, I doubt they have because deep down they know it's a load of old baloney and partisan tittle tattle, he said she said etc etc...

 

[vorcirion]

Mueller hardly said anything, nothing beyond the report, couldn't or wouldn't answer any of the more interesting questions by the republicans; it was like the whole thing, a waste of time.

Trump's still got his feet under the oval office desk, so what has it achieved..he'll go on trial at a later date after he's finished being president? Don't you realise how silly, divisive and also vindictive that sounds?

Have you read both volumes of the mueller report by any chance? Has anyone from the anti trump brigade read it, I doubt they have because deep down they know it's a load of old baloney and partisan tittle tattle, he said she said etc etc...

Criminals need to go to jail. And yeah Mueller said nothing beyond the report...that was also the instruction from the justice department. And who runs that? Oh right...Trump's personal attorney...mr. Barr himself. You pro-Trumpsters haven't read anything. You only listen to whatever Tucker tells you to.

 

[slotplayer]

I feel bad for Mueller, looks like he got played. How was he health-wise two years ago? Bill Barr did him a favor getting him to wrap up the sham. Nancy Pelosi's health is not too good either.

As soon as I heard the announcement I knew it would be a mistake to have Mueller testify after seeing him at the press conference last May.

I also heard there are currently 29 ongoing Federal, State and Congressional investigations in the Donald.

 

[goatwack]

Ahh, the Qanon.

How does one join again?

 

[mack341]

Criminals need to go to jail. And yeah Mueller said nothing beyond the report...that was also the instruction from the justice department. And who runs that? Oh right...Trump's personal attorney...mr. Barr himself. You pro-Trumpsters haven't read anything. You only listen to whatever Tucker tells you to.

Have you read the report that was my question? I've already said I have no intention of reading it. I read your posts that's penance enough

 

[vorcirion]

Have you read the report that was my question? I've already said I have no intention of reading it.

No I haven't but I did listen to Mueller's testimony unlike some other people.

 

[imanorange]

I'm not sure there was obstruction if there was no collusion, logically you'd have to have the latter occur in order for the former to then be possible. Vorcirion mentioned trump refused to be interviewed by mueller, but seeing what happened to general flynn I'm not so sure that wasn't just a sensible precaution by trump.

With all the witnesses and documents etc.. the mueller investigation had access to, they should've been able to determine collusion regardless.

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of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities"

Apparently the russian solicitor who met with trump jnr and kushner, seperately met somebody linked to fusion gps/democrats the day before the trump meeting and the day after, but mueller's team took no interest in this? Does that sound even handed to you? [fusion gps was the firm behind the steele dossier]

As the solicitor, I believe you are referring to the Russian woman, I'm sorry I forget her name. I believe she also had a "go-between" as well and you might be referring to him but I don't think so. All the evidence surrounding this is quite telling as well.

Then you have hacking of the DNC server (Yeah right) supposedly from somewhere in Europe across the pond at a transfer rate of 56 megabits a second. That speed is impossible and it matches quite nicely a thumb drive. Did I fail to mention the server itself was lost? Thus no proper examination could be done. How convenient.

It seems Mueller and his team left out many aspects that should have been explored. All of them seem to lead either to Clinton's campaign and/or the White House. Nothing to discuss or see there. Like Barry, I mean Obama said, "My White House never had any scandals" lol

Funny how so much smoke is being blown out both sides of the spectrum the basic issues get muddled. This was supposed to be a high profile professional investigation with unlimited resources at their disposal. Looks like they had been playing "pocket pool" the entire time or just stalling for time.

Also disturbing is the fact that H.R Clinton's attorney was one of the lead investigators who were all Democrats (hate Trump) as well. This may be a shot in the dark but isn't this a stacked deck from day 1?

It shall be interesting to see who gets the rails of justice first and to what extent ,if any. My money is on Comey then Clapper and Brennan. Then on from there to the bigger fish if it gets that far. These things have a tendency to get swept under the rug and disappear. Just like Seth Rich and the thumb drive.

 

[mack341]

No I haven't but I did listen to Mueller's testimony unlike some other people.

It was seven hours long and the dems like nadler were cringing to listen to, no wonder the usa has problems with people like that holding power. The testimony could be written on the back of a matchbox...'purview' 'I'm not going to talk to that' 'correct' 'what page is that'....and so on

 

[vorcirion]

It was seven hours long and the dems like nadler were cringing to listen to, no wonder the usa has problems with people like that holding power. The testimony could be written on the back of a matchbox...'purview' 'I'm not going to talk to that' 'correct' 'what page is that'....and so on

Oh so you don't like facts 'cause they are boring? You prefer more showmanship with complex plots and incredible theories? Makes sense!

 

[mack341]

As the solicitor, I believe you are referring to the Russian woman, I'm sorry I forget her name. I believe she also had a "go-between" as well and you might be referring to him but I don't think so. All the evidence surrounding this is quite telling as well.

Then you have hacking of the DNC server (Yeah right) supposedly from somewhere in Europe across the pond at a transfer rate of 56 megabits a second. That speed is impossible and it matches quite nicely a thumb drive. Did I fail to mention the server itself was lost? Thus no proper examination could be done. How convenient.

It seems Mueller and his team left out many aspects that should have been explored. All of them seem to lead either to Clinton's campaign and/or the White House. Nothing to discuss or see there. Like Barry, I mean Obama said, "My White House never had any scandals" lol

Funny how so much smoke is being blown out both sides of the spectrum the basic issues get muddled. This was supposed to be a high profile professional investigation with unlimited resources at their disposal. Looks like they had been playing "pocket pool" the entire time or just stalling for time.

Also disturbing is the fact that H.R Clinton's attorney was one of the lead investigators who were all Democrats (hate Trump) as well. This may be a shot in the dark but isn't this a stacked deck from day 1?

It shall be interesting to see who gets the rails of justice first and to what extent ,if any. My money is on Comey then Clapper and Brennan. Then on from there to the bigger fish if it gets that far. These things have a tendency to get swept under the rug and disappear. Just like Seth Rich and the thumb drive.

Yeah the seth rich murder in a low crime area at the time of the leak is another warning flag but the msm hive minds won't have it... I've mentioned bill binney having doubts about the hack, but again surprise surprise the msm don't pursue or delve into it, as it might disprove the 'official' russian hacking narrative.

The whole thing smells badly of deep state activity but the left can't or won't see it because they hate trump so much, they've lost their ability to question things.

I suspect Barr won't touch brennan and co, there may have even been a trade off done behind the scenes, no impeachment proceedings for no action against members of the deep state, it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Steviedoo]

CICILLINE:

So right after his White House Council, Mr. McGahn refused to follow the president's order to fire you, the president came up with a new plan. And that was to go around all of his senior advisors and government aids to have a private citizen try to limit your investigation. What did the president tell Mr. Lewandowski to do? Do you recall, he called him -- he dictated a message to Mr. Lewandowski for Attorney General Sessions and asked him to write it down, is that correct?

MUELLER:

True.

CICILLINE:

And do you -- did you and your team see this handwritten message?

MUELLER:

I'm not going to get into what we may or may not have included in our investigation.

CICILLINE:

OK. The message directed Sessions to give, and -- and I'm quoting from your report, to give a public speech saying that he planned to, "Meet with the special prosecutor to explain this is very unfair and threat the special prosecutor move forward with investigating investigation meddling for future elections." That's at page 91. Is that correct?

MUELLER:

Yes, I see that, thank you. Yes, it is.

CICILLINE:

In other words, Mr. Lewandowski, a private citizen, was instructed by the president of the United States to deliver a message from the president to the attorney general that directed him to limit your investigation. Correct?

MUELLER:

Correct.

CICILLINE:

And at this time, Mr. Sessions was still recused from oversight of your investigation. Correct?

MUELLER:

I'm sorry. Could you restate that?

CICILLINE:

The attorney general was recused from oversight.

MUELLER:

Yes. Yes.

Omg stop with the facts. No one wants to hear about the facts.

Like I said even when confronted with the truth they choose the alternative facts.

Amazing

 

[mack341]

Oh so you don't like facts 'cause they are boring? You prefer more showmanship with complex plots and incredible theories? Makes sense!

Are you under thirty years of age, if so, wait till you get a bit older, you'll see things in the next decade that might make you a bit more cynical about world events and the msm...but then again you're in finland, it's a bit distant and far north to be involved in things. [that's not an insult either, you're lucky to be more remote]

I'd say your political system and who governs you is probably of interest to the russians, as they're right next door.

 

[mack341]

Omg stop with the facts. No one wants to hear about the facts.

Like I said even when confronted with the truth they choose the alternative facts.

Amazing

Why don't you and vorcirion aim this at pelosi, it's not republicans stopping her from launching impeachment proceedings, she's stopping herself - apparently for 'political' reasons what could be more treacherous, to let someone from the other side of politics, who they believe is a 'criminal', stay in power because to challenge them formally might ruin their popularity with the public and blow up in their face. You must hold pelosi beneath contempt surely?

 

[vorcirion]

Are you under thirty years of age, if so, wait till you get a bit older, you'll see things in the next decade that might make you a bit more cynical about world events and the msm...but then again you're in finland, it's a bit distant and far north to be involved in things. [that's not an insult either, you're lucky to be more remote]

I'd say your political system and who governs you is probably of interest to the russians, as they're right next door.

38 thank you very much! I'm getting a bit more cynical when seeing what people do with all the information they have available to them. I understand if russians or north koreans believe some crazy stuff. Since they don't have much other kind of information available than what state media runs. But you're in UK! You have all the information you need. But even when giving facts to you on a silver platter...you ignore it. That's what worries me.

And we have pretty sophisticated internet here in the woods. Information reaches us pretty fast too nowadays. Don't need to wait for some ship to arrive from a distant place to get our information.

 

[mack341]

38 thank you very much! I'm getting a bit more cynical when seeing what people do with all the information they have available to them. I understand if russians or north koreans believe some crazy stuff. Since they don't have much other kind of information available than what state media runs. But you're in UK! You have all the information you need. But even when giving facts to you on a silver platter...you ignore it. That's what worries me.

And we have pretty sophisticated internet here in the woods. Information reaches us pretty fast too nowadays. Don't need to wait for some ship to arrive from a distant place to get our information.

Yes but 38 in finland is probably the equivalent, stress age-wise, of 22 in england

If you really believe the things you say you do [and I have no reason to think otherwise] I take my hat off to you, you're the most uncynical 38 year old going, would you say your 'left' viewpoints represent the majority political view in finland?

 

[vorcirion]

Yes but 38 in finland is probably the equivalent, stress age-wise, of 22 in england

If you really believe the things you say you do [and I have no reason to think otherwise] I take my hat off to you, you're the most uncynical 38 year old going, would you say your 'left' viewpoints represent the majority political view in finland?

Yeah I think they do. Except when it comes to immigration issues. We don't have that extreme views here than elsewhere in general. I think our right wing is also pro-EU nowadays. In a sense that they don't want to leave the EU...they just want to do things differently inside the EU. It's good to have a healthy debate over immigration and whatever else bothers the people.

 

[Steviedoo]

Why don't you and vorcirion aim this at pelosi, it's not republicans stopping her from launching impeachment proceedings, she's stopping herself - apparently for 'political' reasons what could be more treacherous, to let someone from the other side of politics, who they believe is a 'criminal', stay in power because to challenge them formally might ruin their popularity with the public and blow up in their face. You must hold pelosi beneath contempt surely?

Pelosi is not choosing alternative facts like you are .....she’s waiting until the entire country is screaming impeachment.

Which means nothing. Impeachment won’t get further than the house.

“There are only two impeached presidents in United States history, meaning only two presidents have been charged by the House of Representatives with committing "high crimes and misdemeanors." Neither of the two impeached presidents, Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, were convicted by the Senate.”

That’s why she’s not doing. It will be a waste of tax payers money.

 

[mack341]

Pelosi is not choosing alternative facts like you are .....she’s waiting until the entire country is screaming impeachment.

Which means nothing. Impeachment won’t get further than the house.

“There are only two impeached presidents in United States history, meaning only two presidents have been charged by the House of Representatives with committing "high crimes and misdemeanors." Neither of the two impeached presidents, Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, were convicted by the Senate.”

That’s why she’s not doing. It will be a waste of tax payers money.

eh? you democrats love tossing insults around considering you're supposed to represent the more humanitarian approach to life....

It's been going on since 2016...it's 2019 now, they've wasted loads of dough already, you've got the evidence, how much more will it cost for congress to argue it out?

Regardless of the senate's final judgement, surely it would be the right and moral thing to do if you believe trump has acted criminally to get elected or covered things up afterwards.

If we had the same system in the uk around blair's time, I would've be calling for him to get impeached, it wouldn't concern me if an upper house overturned it as that would expose their corruption. If the evidence is there of criminal wrong doing, which you believe it is, I can't see how democrats can walk away from it, what's that saying "talks the talk but does not walk the walk "

I don't think the evidence is really there, you can't expect a person, a president no less, not to react to a witch hunt and entrapment tactics by a team of prosecutors who by and large support the democrats and wanted hillary to win.

 

[imanorange]

Pelosi is not choosing alternative facts like you are .....she’s waiting until the entire country is screaming impeachment.

Which means nothing. Impeachment won’t get further than the house.

“There are only two impeached presidents in United States history, meaning only two presidents have been charged by the House of Representatives with committing "high crimes and misdemeanors." Neither of the two impeached presidents, Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, were convicted by the Senate.”

That’s why she’s not doing. It will be a waste of tax payers money.

I agree with the above highlighted in red. The whole impeachment routine has been a ploy to fire up the base but their constituents are dwindling thus the push for open borders. The D's want illegal aliens scattered throughout the country getting handouts so they can get their votes. If you superimpose an illegal immigration dispersion map over the country then put one of the democrats winning districts its similarities are astonishing. I'll see if I can find one.

The D's entire agenda has been to stay in power to finish the job of destroying the USA. Obama devastated it and it was their plan to have Hilary finish it off and move forward with the UN agenda.

Pelosi is looking forward to 2024 as she knows if the Ds moved forward with impeachment that election would be gone for the presidency as 2020 already is. Don't forget about the midterms for the Ds in the districts Trump devastated the last election. Those people are trying to hold onto their seats and keep the democrats in the house majority. They will certainly be stuffing the ballot boxes with names of people dead long ago along with bussing in illegals. Not to mention pulling South Florida moves and many other counties and states as they did again in 2018.

The so-called progressive tolerates foolishness is destroying a pretty good system. Sure it's not perfect but it can be improved. Why don't they focus on improvement rather than wanted to destroy its heritage, remove statues of its history and rewrite it as they see fit? This type of thinking is throughout the globe I realize that entirely.

If it was the 1950s these people would be branded as they should be "communist traitors".

One last thing, they don't have problems wasting taxpayers money whatsoever.

A) They are in power aren't they (total waste of time)
B) The entire Mueller investigation (26 million for this outcome?)

 

[mack341]

This was a good debate, but I'm off to go and get some more of tucker's brainwashing, can't get enough of it

 

[slotplayer]

Yes but 38 in finland is probably the equivalent, stress age-wise, of 22 in england

If you really believe the things you say you do [and I have no reason to think otherwise] I take my hat off to you, you're the most uncynical 38 year old going, would you say your 'left' viewpoints represent the majority political view in finland?

His views would be considered "radical" here, like AOC and her 3 fellow congresswomen.

 

[TheAddict]

The so-called progressive tolerates foolishness is destroying a pretty good system. Sure it's not perfect but it can be improved. Why don't they focus on improvement rather than wanted to destroy its heritage, remove statues of its history and rewrite it as they see fit? This type of thinking is throughout the globe I realize that entirely.

If it was the 1950s these people would be branded as they should be "communist traitors".

Thanks. Just managed to calm down after having been bent over by netent. Then the first thing that happens when i log in here, is to be reminded of this fact.

 

[mack341]

His views would be considered "radical" here, like AOC and her 3 fellow congresswomen.

yeah the same here in the uk, and 'radical' is probably the best description. In terms of the msm's daily role in promoting these viewpoints, and propaganda regarding world events, vorcirion is uncynical. I don't want to have a go at him specifically, we're all human after all, he takes a tough stance regarding his views on things.

I must have taken my eye off the ball in the last 5 years as its only been the last year and posting on this thread that I've become aware of this sjw antifa movement, I knew about political correctness years ago, but didn't know there were legions now marching under this creed, and who are so vociferous in support of it.

Seeing the american cable station presenters and some here in the uk, like those on channel 4, support and back this movement [it also links into the atheist thing too] makes me realise they've been waiting for this explosion to happen, indoctrinating slowly for it to come about. It fits their agenda and world view like a glove, that can't be a coincidence.

There have been 'progressive' movements in the past but this one largely ignores the present chaos in society around them, a lot of it caused by left style politics and extreme capitalism mixing, and other than open borders and global warming perhaps, I can't see what there other policies are; hatred of putin and trump, trust in the liberal msm are all common traits though.

 

[vorcirion]

His views would be considered "radical" here, like AOC and her 3 fellow congresswomen.

You mean in the bubble that you live in? Your views have always been in a minority as Trump's approval numbers show. He should have over 60% with the economy you have...but his and your views are so anti-american that he just can't get past that 45% or so. Even with Fox and Sinclair Broadcast Group trying to brainwash your population...it doesn't seem to help enough. But guess that's what you get when your message is just filled with hatred and you don't have any kind of positive agenda for the americans.

 

[vorcirion]

eh? you democrats love tossing insults around considering you're supposed to represent the more humanitarian approach to life....

It's been going on since 2016...it's 2019 now, they've wasted loads of dough already, you've got the evidence, how much more will it cost for congress to argue it out?

Regardless of the senate's final judgement, surely it would be the right and moral thing to do if you believe trump has acted criminally to get elected or covered things up afterwards.

If we had the same system in the uk around blair's time, I would've be calling for him to get impeached, it wouldn't concern me if an upper house overturned it as that would expose their corruption. If the evidence is there of criminal wrong doing, which you believe it is, I can't see how democrats can walk away from it, what's that saying "talks the talk but does not walk the walk "

I don't think the evidence is really there, you can't expect a person, a president no less, not to react to a witch hunt and entrapment tactics by a team of prosecutors who by and large support the democrats and wanted hillary to win.

I think it was a profitable investigation. Seized assets from Manafort covered the cost pretty nicely.
And for the evidence...well read what I previously posted. There's plenty of evidence of Trump's criminality. Or do you support reacting to investigation in a criminal way?
For the impeachment...well yeah Pelosi doesn't want that to be the main message for 2020. Democrats have a positive message for americans...that's how they won the House back in 2018 and I'm sure Pelosi wants to keep it going. Trump wants to avoid that since he doesn't have any plans that would help the americans. He would welcome another hate filled campaign. Hate against the squad. Hate against the immigrants. All democrats are socialists and trying to destroy the USA. That's an inspiring leader there

 

[Steviedoo]

eh? you democrats love tossing insults around considering you're supposed to represent the more humanitarian approach to life....

It's been going on since 2016...it's 2019 now, they've wasted loads of dough already, you've got the evidence, how much more will it cost for congress to argue it out?

Regardless of the senate's final judgement, surely it would be the right and moral thing to do if you believe trump has acted criminally to get elected or covered things up afterwards.

If we had the same system in the uk around blair's time, I would've be calling for him to get impeached, it wouldn't concern me if an upper house overturned it as that would expose their corruption. If the evidence is there of criminal wrong doing, which you believe it is, I can't see how democrats can walk away from it, what's that saying "talks the talk but does not walk the walk "

I don't think the evidence is really there, you can't expect a person, a president no less, not to react to a witch hunt and entrapment tactics by a team of prosecutors who by and large support the democrats and wanted hillary to win.

Insult?

I don’t know what has to happen for you to stop believing the alternative facts...cuz he spelled it out ...out loud and in his report.

But no let’s believe a man who lies daily...along with his cronies who just farm out the lies along with him...

 

[goatwack]

Nice to see Trump's bravado has had the desired long-term effect

"They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen ... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before."

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"Meh"

-Trump, 2019

 

[mack341]

Insult?

I don’t know what has to happen for you to stop believing the alternative facts...cuz he spelled it out ...out loud and in his report.

But no let’s believe a man who lies daily...along with his cronies who just farm out the lies along with him...


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You could also add:

"clinton's campaign paid russian backed sources for dirt on trump?"
"yes"
"the fbi obained a warrant to spy on the trump campaign on the basis of a fake dossier paid for by the clinton campaign?"
"correct"

To you the mueller report and testimony is fantastic, to me it's a partisan democrat project, probably 500 pages of "he said, she said" and trump still sat there, it's going to be hilarious if despite all this he wins another term...

 

[sapit222]

Trump will never win again!

He got elected couse the people didnt want Clinton (a politician) (could have been any politician i guess?) and hoped that some1 else would be better.
But sadly they got screwed and got the worst possible as president.
Trump is some sort of mini hitler.

 

[mack341]

I think it was a profitable investigation. Seized assets from Manafort covered the cost pretty nicely.
And for the evidence...well read what I previously posted. There's plenty of evidence of Trump's criminality. Or do you support reacting to investigation in a criminal way?
For the impeachment...well yeah Pelosi doesn't want that to be the main message for 2020. Democrats have a positive message for americans...that's how they won the House back in 2018 and I'm sure Pelosi wants to keep it going. Trump wants to avoid that since he doesn't have any plans that would help the americans. He would welcome another hate filled campaign. Hate against the squad. Hate against the immigrants. All democrats are socialists and trying to destroy the USA. That's an inspiring leader there

I think my point about the moral position stands, if the dems think trump is a criminal then morally it's beholden on them to impeach him, even if it loses in the senate...you can't say "oh it will divide the nation" that's already happened from not accepting the 2016 result as valid...

But the dems want their cake and to eat it too...so they'll try and keep this thing simmering on the stove [via msm] and as tucker said in the clip slotplayer posted [7.40 onwards] it's been a distraction from tackling america's real problems which have been completely ignored in favour of time spent on this charade...which is classic msm/establishment they don't want the kind of change required to improve society's core problems.

Do you think the drugs, crime, debt, unemployment, homelessness problems are ever going to be fixed, or slowly worsen? Something drastic is required, trump appeals to that and is why he got voted in, but he may not have all the solutions...though increased border security should reduce the number of criminals in the country and deadly narcotics trade from central/south america.

Having watched bits of the testimony and other news clips, in general the republicans look more professional and presidential than the democrats...John Ratcliffe came across well in the mueller testimony.

It wouldn't bother me, for those that can't stand trump's style and personality, if Ratcliffe was president instead of trump, as it's not necessarily the style of the messenger or who he is that's important, instead it's that the conservative core - 'family values' style policies should come in, instead of radical and extreme identity politics, which are used for divide and rule. That's my opinion, based on the urgent need to reduce the core societal problems, doing that will raise the standard and quality of living for everyone. [would be the same for the uk by the way]

Edit: just to add the republicans probably since the 80's have not been following conservative policy, foreign wars of aggression which cost trillions and destablise regions is not particularly conservative imo, the nafta stuff, open borders, deregulating wall street too much etc..RINO is a term 'republican in name only' but not sure how much they managed to take over the republican party, but obviously it's donor led, to go in those directions. Trump has been a pause and possibly a minor reverse of some of this, hence the liberal establishment and msm don't tend to like him.

 

[vorcirion]

I think my point about the moral position stands, if the dems think trump is a criminal then morally it's beholden on them to impeach him, even if it loses in the senate...you can't say "oh it will divide the nation" that's already happened from not accepting the 2016 result as valid...

But the dems want their cake and to eat it too...so they'll try and keep this thing simmering on the stove [via msm] and as tucker said in the clip slotplayer posted [7.40 onwards] it's been a distraction from tackling america's real problems which have been completely ignored in favour of time spent on this charade...which is classic msm/establishment they don't want change to improve society's core problems.

Do you think the drugs, crime, debt, unemployment, homelessness problems are ever going to be fixed, or slowly worsen? Something drastic is required, trump appeals to that and is why he got voted in, but he may not have all the solutions...increased border security should reduce the number of criminals in the country and the deadly narcotics trade.

Having watched bits of the testimony and other news clips, in general the republicans look more professional and presidential than the democrats...John Ratcliffe came across well in the mueller testimony.

It wouldn't bother me, for those that can't stand trump's style and personality, if Ratcliffe was president instead of trump, as it's not necessarily the style of the messenger or who he is that's important, instead it's that the conservative core - 'family values' style policies should come in, instead of radical and extreme identity politics, which are used for divide and rule. That's my opinion, based on the urgent need to reduce the core societal problems, doing that will raise the standard and quality of living for everyone.

They had republican senate, house and the presidency. Why there wasn't an effort to fix those? Pointless to blame msm/democrats if you have a useless leader who doesn't know how to lead...or to make deals. He never made an effort to make deals...it was always either his way or bye bye.

You can want the 60's back or whatever...but it's not going to come back. World keeps changing and if you're unable to change with it. Well it's your loss. You'll stay in minority...be the cranky old guy whining about whatever

 

[mack341]

They had republican senate, house and the presidency. Why there wasn't an effort to fix those? Pointless to blame msm/democrats if you have a useless leader who doesn't know how to lead...or to make deals. He never made an effort to make deals...it was always either his way or bye bye.

You can want the 60's back or whatever...but it's not going to come back. World keeps changing and if you're unable to change with it. Well it's your loss. You'll stay in minority...be the cranky old guy whining about whatever

yeah...there's quite a few of us old cranky whiners and fortunately we do get a vote and say...btw the future your hinting at doesn't sound very appetising to me at all, more unsolvable problems in society; when the problems in the 1960's were a handfull now we have a legion..that's progress for you I guess...'the world keeps changing'

[regarding the bold you need to read my last post, I cover this ]

 

[slotplayer]

You mean in the bubble that you live in? Your views have always been in a minority as Trump's approval numbers show. He should have over 60% with the economy you have...but his and your views are so anti-american that he just can't get past that 45% or so. Even with Fox and Sinclair Broadcast Group trying to brainwash your population...it doesn't seem to help enough. But guess that's what you get when your message is just filled with hatred and you don't have any kind of positive agenda for the americans.

The Donald is the most pro American president the country has seen since Ronald Reagan. If The Donald was a sweet talker like Obama or Bill Clinton his poll numbers would be much higher. Still not that bad considering the MSM daily pounding he gets.

 

[vorcirion]

The Donald is the most pro American president the country has seen since Ronald Reagan. If The Donald was a sweet talker like Obama or Bill Clinton his poll numbers would be much higher. Still not that bad considering the MSM daily pounding he gets.

Can you tell me how it is pro-american to care only about white people and only about his base?

 

[SteveBr]

Don’t really want to get involved in this, but did notice this:

You could also add:

"clinton's campaign paid russian backed sources for dirt on trump?"
"yes"
"the fbi obained a warrant to spy on the trump campaign on the basis of a fake dossier paid for by the clinton campaign?"
"correct"

1. It’s not a fake dossier. A lot of the items noted in the dossier have turned out to be true.
2. The Clinton campaign did not pay for it originally, it was commissioned by a conservative organisation.

Back to slotting I go!

 

[mack341]

Don’t really want to get involved in this, but did notice this:



1. It’s not a fake dossier. A lot of the items noted in the dossier have turned out to be true.
2. The Clinton campaign did not pay for it originally, it was commissioned by a conservative organisation.

Back to slotting I go!

Not so quick steve, my friend, DOA 2 etc can wait ...can you provide some of the detail regarding your statements above..

[btw I haven't read the steele dossier but even the dems don't seem to put much credence in it, the golden showers etc..
are fusion/gps a conservative organisation?]

edit: I didn't say 'originally' but just that hillary's campaign paid for dirt which came via steele from his russian sources, that is correct isn't it?

 

[slotplayer]

Can you tell me how it is pro-american to care only about white people and only about his base?

That's one of the reasons The Donald was elected, the white working democratic middle class had been abandoned by the Democratic party.

Both sides toss "red meat" to their bases, that's politics.

 

[slotplayer]

yeah the same here in the uk, and 'radical' is probably the best description. In terms of the msm's daily role in promoting these viewpoints, and propaganda regarding world events, vorcirion is uncynical. I don't want to have a go at him specifically, we're all human after all, he takes a tough stance regarding his views on things.

I must have taken my eye off the ball in the last 5 years as its only been the last year and posting on this thread that I've become aware of this sjw antifa movement, I knew about political correctness years ago, but didn't know there were legions now marching under this creed, and who are so vociferous in support of it.

Seeing the american cable station presenters and some here in the uk, like those on channel 4, support and back this movement [it also links into the atheist thing too] makes me realise they've been waiting for this explosion to happen, indoctrinating slowly for it to come about. It fits their agenda and world view like a glove, that can't be a coincidence.

There have been 'progressive' movements in the past but this one largely ignores the present chaos in society around them, a lot of it caused by left style politics and extreme capitalism mixing, and other than open borders and global warming perhaps, I can't see what there other policies are; hatred of putin and trump, trust in the liberal msm are all common traits though.

The antifa mob have taken it to a new level. The irony is they're supposed to be anti-fascist.

Sky News Australia
Published on Jul 1, 2019

 

[mack341]

The antifa mob have taken it to a new level. The irony is they're supposed to be anti-fascist.

Sky News Australia
Published on Jul 1, 2019

yeah been following that story, he was on laura ingraham's show the other night, pack of cowardly thug scumbags picking on that poor gay guy, and bashing the elderly man in the other clip with iron clubs...

 

[vorcirion]

The antifa mob have taken it to a new level. The irony is they're supposed to be anti-fascist.

Sky News Australia
Published on Jul 1, 2019

And your people stay at the same level:



very fine people on both sides