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And your people stay at the same level
That's pretty low Vorcirion to associate slotplayer/me/conservatives with that low life, criminal mass murderer, thought you had better sense than this...
And your people stay at the same level:
very fine people on both sides
Not so quick steve, my friend, DOA 2 etc can wait![]()
...can you provide some of the detail regarding your statements above..
[btw I haven't read the steele dossier but even the dems don't seem to put much credence in it, the golden showers etc..
are fusion/gps a conservative organisation?]
edit: I didn't say 'originally' but just that hillary's campaign paid for dirt which came via steele from his russian sources, that is correct isn't it?
Were the people mentioned in the report real? Were their affiliations correct? Did any of the activities reported happen as predicted?
To a large extent, yes.
The most obvious occurrence that could not have been known to Orbis in June 2016, but shines bright in retrospect is the fact that Russia undertook a coordinated and massive effort to disrupt the 2016 election to help Donald Trump, as the U.S. intelligence community itself later concluded. Well before any public knowledge of these events, the Orbis report identified multiple elements of the Russian operation including a cyber campaign, leaked documents related to Hillary Clinton, and meetings with Paul Manafort and other Trump affiliates to reportedly discuss the receipt of stolen documents. Steele could not have known that the Russians stole information on Hillary Clinton, or that they were considering means to weaponize them in the U.S. election, all of which turned out to be stunningly accurate.
Take your truth bombs and get outta here!Correct, the dems learned about the dossier and continued the process.
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It’s a very long read but a lot of good information there.
I’ve posted a snippet below.
Got battles to get back to!

Trump supports these white nationalists. If you support Trump then yeah you're also supporting his policies and rhetoric. I don't see anyone condemning Trump for his continous hate speech against minorities (like against the squad). Instead you keep justifying his hateful message with whatever Tucker comes up with. And if you don't think that Trump's constant hate speech leads to these incidents...then you're just stupid.
He didn't speak out against the squad because they're minorities, its because they come off as hating the country, especially Omar.
And it wasn't right off the bat, it was only after repeated comments by the un-fab four. I instantly knew his tweet was a big mistake the second I heard it.
These are a big no-no in a patriotic nation like USA, not to mention replacing the US flag and blue lives matter flags with the Mexican flag on the ICE headquarters. Its things like that, that energize the "T" base.
See...again you justify Trump's behaviour. That's what you Tucker cultists do...with these whataboutisms. Trump's racist views come naturally to him so it's no wonder that he wrote those clearly racist words.
Please show me what Omar has said/done that seems like hating the country.
btw, she has a 9% approval rating.
Nice to see Trump's bravado has had the desired long-term effect
"They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen ... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which the world has never seen"
-Trump, 2019
The antifa mob have taken it to a new level. The irony is they're supposed to be anti-fascist.
Sky News Australia
Published on Jul 1, 2019
.Correct, the dems learned about the dossier and continued the process.
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It’s a very long read but a lot of good information there.
I’ve posted a snippet below.
Got battles to get back to!
Trump supports these white nationalists. If you support Trump then yeah you're also supporting his policies and rhetoric. I don't see anyone condemning Trump for his continous hate speech against minorities (like against the squad). Instead you keep justifying his hateful message with whatever Tucker comes up with. And if you don't think that Trump's constant hate speech leads to these incidents...then you're just stupid.
I don't think tucker has defended much trump's original comments to the 'squad', certainly he doesn't agree with their politics, however if you think tucker is a dangerous far right extremist I suspect you need to listen more carefully to his shows. He has people from all different backgrounds on, and he gives conservatives a tough time too. Lou dobbs, as much as I respect the dude, is probably drinking the kool-aid a bit too much re trump and his achievements...tucker knows the long term problems haven't been fixed.
Letting more poor people into america isn't going to help the millions of poor people there already, is it?
The problem with the left is they are very much an 'anti' movement, they don't really seem to have many policy ideas to address the deep problems, it's more about being anti the police or anti trump..that's literally the policy.
Rarely do you or anyone else from your side of politics debate the issues and remedies, instead you prefer to vent about racism, white nationalism, trump and russia collusion.
If you paid any attention...you'd see that democratic candidates debate about the issues and remedies. They don't debate about racism, white nationalism, Trump or russian collusion. They did that in 2018 too. Soon there's CNN's democratic debate coming. How about you watch it...and don't watch Tucker version 'cause he gives completely distorted view always. Tucker just attacks democrats and he really doesn't care what the democrats actually say.
You'll see that democrats really are trying to find solutions to all kind of problems. Trump doesn't do any of that.
You could watch the first debate too and you'd see how it actually goes.


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We live in a murky world..I'd say, roughly, throughout my 30 years of adult life, the msm/press have lied almost continuously regarding issues in politics and events in that realm [ the iraqi weapons of mass destruction is a big example] so I have to 'take with a pinch of salt' anything they say about a conspiracy between Trump and the russian govt.
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I will be don't you worry about that, I need a good chuckle
This from a recent debate cracked me up, cory booker's face when beto got to do his spanish speaking stunt before cory could...
but cory got to lay out his day 1 priority to all america's problems at 0.38 onwards...open borders yes that's it, lets encourage more poor people to settle in the US as if there wasn't enough poverty and desperate people to already help out![]()
I wouldn't say the lies came from msm/press. It was the administrations at that time and their rather creative way to read the so called intelligence. We had some discussions about this particular topic in the old Trump thread.
No but the msm is the conduit for the lies that originate in govt, lies to be broadcast and repeated by the media, who suppport and give credence to the lies. Techniques of modern propaganda have moved on from the ones deployed in the 20th century dictatorships, there is a lot more subtlety as obviously people get wise to things. I've mentioned it before, to appeal to liberals to gain their support for war or air/missle strikes, the emphasis is now placed 'humanitarian purposes/reasons' when the real reasons are more cynical geo political. Just the sheer time devoted to a topic and where it features in the tv news program's schedule or front page of a newspaper can influence people's perception.
Harry was recently sceptical of the iranian attack on oil tankers, which was largely unquestioned by the media and received a lot of prime time coverage/air time, harry was aiming the blame at trump and bolton, but the fact remains the msm were more than willing to spread propaganda that could escalate events to a major war.
Could you tell me what Trump's solutions are for these main issues?
No but the msm is the conduit for the lies that originate in govt, lies to be broadcast and repeated by the media, who suppport and give credence to the lies. Techniques of modern propaganda have moved on from the ones deployed in the 20th century dictatorships, there is a lot more subtlety as obviously people get wise to things. I've mentioned it before, to appeal to liberals to gain their support for war or air/missle strikes, the emphasis is now placed 'humanitarian purposes/reasons' when the real reasons are more cynical geo political. Just the sheer time devoted to a topic and where it features in the tv news program's schedule or front page of a newspaper can influence people's perception.
Harry was recently sceptical of the iranian attack on oil tankers, which was largely unquestioned by the media and received a lot of prime time coverage/air time, harry was aiming the blame at trump and bolton, but the fact remains the msm were more than willing to spread propaganda that could escalate events to a major war.
Hmm so you're willing to admit that Trump's administration is trying to spread propaganda against Iranians?
I'm not disputing that some of the media/press are not doing their job like they should. Esp. investigative journalism should be critized if they are biased.
About public perception and politics of war -- I've said this before regarding the invasion of Iraq in 2003: 9/11 -- I still stand by those words.
Of course any current administration uses the press in shaping public opinion. But these days and with the information available to anyone with online access, it's a cop out to blame the press. Be it msm or something else. Basicly anyone is able to find accurate information if they want to. And have some level of criticism.
That was a good post but on the last point re humanitarian grounds:
"Now the argument changed to humanitarian intervention. It can be argued, that this was a side benefit of the war and not the prime (original) justification for the invasion. "
With maybe over a million civilians dead directly and indirectly from the war and aftermath. The unleashed sectarianism, which saddam repressed, ongoing terrorist bombs and slaughters etc.. more disease etc.. I think it's safe to say there hasn't been a broad humanitarian benefit...have the real political freedoms to criticize the iraqi govt increased, I doubt it...The same happened in libya, which had one of the highest standards of living in africa, now look at it, but the west couldn't resist the opportunity to topple gaddafi who perhaps they saw as too independent or unfriendly to the west?
It can't be pure morality from our govts in the west otherwise we wouldn't support head chopping kingdoms and the yemen war. It's geopolitics and the basic people suffer.
I was talking about the justification that led to war. At first, the humanitarian intervention was not the reason. It conveniently became one after the fact. Since the original justifications held little or no weight behind them.
So in essence it was a post about casus belli.
I'm a proud American and as I said in my first post on this thread I've stayed out of political debates most of my life. It's only since this massive division and the extremism of both the far left and right. Not to mention the belligerent lies and scripted narrative the mainstream constantly pumps out.
I have lived most of my life in Asia but that has afforded me the opportunity to meet a great many Americans from all the US. Along with folks spanning the entire globe. This tends to give people a broader perspective over the years.
I've always been an American first neither leaning to any side except that of freedom. This is how Trump has proven himself to be ever since he got into the public spotlight in the early 1980s.
Let me give you a first-hand experience of how Trump operated decades before he was president.
I've spent a great deal of time in South Florida where Mara Largo is in Palm Beach, Trump's estate. This is not a well-known story but personifies the type of person he is. I remember back in the early 2000s, the (Palm Beach) city was suing him because the American flag was flying too high on his land. He fought Palm Beach county for years and spent millions of his own dollars to fight that. In the end, I believe he won but that isn't the point.
Another example is how he took it upon himself to fix up a historic ice rink in Central Park in New York at his own expense. He ultimately finished that 2 months ahead of schedule and donates the proceeds to charities along with city improvements. That's been going on for over 30 years.
Sure the man is bombastic and not the stereotype so-called eloquent gentleman politician. But to call the man UnAmerican could not be farther than the reality. To put any belief in the mainstream polls is really a huge mistake. They don't even come close to reality.
You only need to look at the Trump rallies as they are filled to capacity with people watching outside on jumbo screens. Why doesn't the mainstream media point the cameras at the audience? Better yet, why don't they interview people in the audience?
Take a look at the other side of the aisle and those people struggle to get a few hundred people to show up. Let along tens of thousands.
I think everyone should ask themselves where they get their information. If it's any mainstream outlet then I suggest checking out the Twitter. Search and follow all the people you wish to know about along with the mainstream news outlets. Visit their profiles daily and read what they post. Then read the comments on those tweets. You will find brilliant information and get a true sense of what the majority of people think. Same goes for Facebook and YouTube.
But I'm pretty sure he doesn't donate anything to charity. He only cares about himself.Was it a side benefit though?, That was my pickup, I agree with you on the way it was used later on as a good reason for the war, but again an independent honest press/media would've exposed it as largely bunkum, which they didn't, instead they ran with it and gave people like blair cover, even today papers like the guardian and sites like wkipedia seek to play down the number of deaths.
"Trump put up his regulation-violating flag and pole without obtaining either a building permit permit or a variance from local authorities, and the Palm Beach town council accordingly fined him $1,250 (or, in some accounts, $250) for every day the flag remained in place (apparently citing him only for the pole but not the flag itself). Trump in turn filed a $25 million lawsuit against Palm Beach, claiming that the town was selectively enforcing its rules (by not fining other properties that were flying flags in violation of town ordinances) and infringing his constitutional right to free speech.
Six months later the two sides finally reached an agreement during “secret, court-ordered negotiations,” with the town agreeing to waive all fines against Trump for his code-busting flagpole and to “review its ordinances and codes dealing with flagpoles and flags during the next zoning season,” and Trump agreeing to drop his lawsuit, lower the height of his flagpole from 80 to 70 feet, obtain a permit for the pole and move it farther inland, and donate $100,000 “to charities dealing with Iraq War Veterans, [the] American Flag, or the local VA hospital.”
However, the New York state attorney general laterYou do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.Trump for paying the fine through his nonprofit Donald J. Trump Foundation instead of from his personal finances:
The New York state attorney general sued U.S. President Donald Trump, three of his children and his foundation, saying he illegally used the nonprofit as a personal “checkbook” for his own benefit, including his 2016 presidential campaign.
Another $100,000 went to another charity in 2007 to settle a legal dispute over a flagpole erected in violation of local ordinances at Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s private club and sometime residence in Palm Beach, Florida."
Not sure how ice rink went. Maybe he actually did thatBut I'm pretty sure he doesn't donate anything to charity. He only cares about himself.
Okay yeah in the first video she did say something really stupid and she should absolutely apologize for it. I don't know what's the point of the 2nd video. But yeah if she hasn't apologized for it then yeah she should be kicked out of the office too.
I'm a proud American and as I said in my first post on this thread I've stayed out of political debates most of my life. It's only since this massive division and the extremism of both the far left and right. Not to mention the belligerent lies and scripted narrative the mainstream constantly pumps out.
I have lived most of my life in Asia but that has afforded me the opportunity to meet a great many Americans from all the US. Along with folks spanning the entire globe. This tends to give people a broader perspective over the years.
I've always been an American first neither leaning to any side except that of freedom. This is how Trump has proven himself to be ever since he got into the public spotlight in the early 1980s.
Let me give you a first-hand experience of how Trump operated decades before he was president.
I've spent a great deal of time in South Florida where Mara Largo is in Palm Beach, Trump's estate. This is not a well-known story but personifies the type of person he is. I remember back in the early 2000s, the (Palm Beach) city was suing him because the American flag was flying too high on his land. He fought Palm Beach county for years and spent millions of his own dollars to fight that. In the end, I believe he won but that isn't the point.
Another example is how he took it upon himself to fix up a historic ice rink in Central Park in New York at his own expense. He ultimately finished that 2 months ahead of schedule and donates the proceeds to charities along with city improvements. That's been going on for over 30 years.
Sure the man is bombastic and not the stereotype so-called eloquent gentleman politician. But to call the man UnAmerican could not be farther than the reality. To put any belief in the mainstream polls is really a huge mistake. They don't even come close to reality.
You only need to look at the Trump rallies as they are filled to capacity with people watching outside on jumbo screens. Why doesn't the mainstream media point the cameras at the audience? Better yet, why don't they interview people in the audience?
Take a look at the other side of the aisle and those people struggle to get a few hundred people to show up. Let along tens of thousands.
I think everyone should ask themselves where they get their information. If it's any mainstream outlet then I suggest checking out the Twitter. Search and follow all the people you wish to know about along with the mainstream news outlets. Visit their profiles daily and read what they post. Then read the comments on those tweets. You will find brilliant information and get a true sense of what the majority of people think. Same goes for Facebook and YouTube.
"Trump put up his regulation-violating flag and pole without obtaining either a building permit permit or a variance from local authorities, and the Palm Beach town council accordingly fined him $1,250 (or, in some accounts, $250) for every day the flag remained in place (apparently citing him only for the pole but not the flag itself). Trump in turn filed a $25 million lawsuit against Palm Beach, claiming that the town was selectively enforcing its rules (by not fining other properties that were flying flags in violation of town ordinances) and infringing his constitutional right to free speech.
Six months later the two sides finally reached an agreement during “secret, court-ordered negotiations,” with the town agreeing to waive all fines against Trump for his code-busting flagpole and to “review its ordinances and codes dealing with flagpoles and flags during the next zoning season,” and Trump agreeing to drop his lawsuit, lower the height of his flagpole from 80 to 70 feet, obtain a permit for the pole and move it farther inland, and donate $100,000 “to charities dealing with Iraq War Veterans, [the] American Flag, or the local VA hospital.”
However, the New York state attorney general laterYou do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.Trump for paying the fine through his nonprofit Donald J. Trump Foundation instead of from his personal finances:
The New York state attorney general sued U.S. President Donald Trump, three of his children and his foundation, saying he illegally used the nonprofit as a personal “checkbook” for his own benefit, including his 2016 presidential campaign.
Another $100,000 went to another charity in 2007 to settle a legal dispute over a flagpole erected in violation of local ordinances at Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s private club and sometime residence in Palm Beach, Florida."
Not sure how ice rink went. Maybe he actually did thatBut I'm pretty sure he doesn't donate anything to charity. He only cares about himself.
Probably skyped kim from a darkened room, sat back in his big chair lifting his legs, then let rip with a lighter infront of his ass.
Far from the first time the police do absolutely nothing in response to these abnormal freaks of nature. Some guy got recently got the crow bar treatment, in broad daylight infront of people, The attacker, some tall, skinny, star wars jumper wearing, messy bearded freak with specs on. Multiple hits to the head, ripping it open, serious hospital job... happening at an organised event iirc, yet not arrested.
It Was caught on camera, not that at least 30 people didn't see it anyway lol, where he was sneaking up from behind (like a boss), while another freak of nature distracted the victim, letting him wrap this bar around the guys head without getting hit back in return.
Also, recently read that the "Covington MAGA kid" who had his life put in danger thanks to the deliberate lies of the agenda driven MSN, w5ho used out of context clips while acting outraged as if what they showed to the world were facts lol, for any NPC physcotic leftist tool to naturally respond to by going full ultimate warrior.. (which many, many, including famous people, indeed did).
Doxxing him - asking people to ruin his life etc, especially on pro left twitter, where the useful tools were not even banned while advocating to physically hurt this child, or to teach him a lesson by ruining his life in every way possible. Sharing his name and address on that absolute left loving garbage social media site (even if Donald is responsible for 95% of all posts on there for the past 3 years)
The absolute state of the left...
Well, he, the MAGA kid, has just had his claim at suing the washington post for what is blatant lible, simply dismissed.
I wonder what will happen with his other pending law suits towards these scummy main stream media pieces of shit responsible for the same crime. I'll go with the gutt, and assume they will also be protected by the oh so fkng lovely, totally not at all whatsoever corrupt, justice system within the US.
Then, while not totally related so plesse forgive me... the next thing i read, is that some transgender dude is suing 15 salons because they refused to wax her balls.
The absolute state of this World...
I heard the ice ring story before, a few times actually, as far as I know its true.
I think he donates his presidential salary, around $400K to charity.
I've already asked them where they get their information, more than once.
If you paid any attention...you'd see that democratic candidates debate about the issues and remedies. They don't debate about racism, white nationalism, Trump or russian collusion. They did that in 2018 too. Soon there's CNN's democratic debate coming. How about you watch it...and don't watch Tucker version 'cause he gives completely distorted view always. Tucker just attacks democrats and he really doesn't care what the democrats actually say.
You'll see that democrats really are trying to find solutions to all kind of problems. Trump doesn't do any of that.
You could watch the first debate too and you'd see how it actually goes.
That information is conveniently buried for some unknown reason.
It's also in a few movies I forget which ones just like all the films with him doing a cameo. I knew he didn't personally take his salary but the charity I was unaware. JFK took $1 dollar
Good luck getting a straight answer.
I heard the ice ring story before, a few times actually, as far as I know its true.
I think he donates his presidential salary, around $400K to charity.
I watched the first debates, they all raised their hands to giving illegals health insurance and want to decriminalize border crossing. There are 35 million people in the northern triangle, the murders in Mexico just topped 14,000 the first 1/2 of this year.
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That so-called "debate" was so scripted it was actually hilarious. They were all drones raising their hands in unison when asked about the health insurance for illegals. Oh sorry, I'm not supposed to use the word "illegal" as they are offended by it and it's racist.
What about health care for 150 million Americans who pay tax? Barry, I mean Obama's (lol) made everyone pay $575 tax penalty if they couldn't afford his "Obama Care".Health insurance. The rest had their insurance double if they were lucky.
If you are going to take that slanted article at face value without bothering to look into the facts then you prove what I'm trying to get across in a couple of ways. Never trust the main steam press with an agenda do research yourself. As I stated above the outcome of the lawsuit wasn't the point.
Convenient leaving out Central Park just as that article cherry-picks its own narrative. That's the best thing about liberals, they are very predictable.
How do you arrive at him only caring ONLY for himself? He never needed to be president. He's been asked for a great many years to run but he never did. Any self-serving person would have done it at a much younger age.
This is why people hate him so much is he has nothing to lose and is not a politician plus his name is iconic. He is feared because he has the balls to do the things that have needed to be done since JFK was assassinated. And that has everything to do with the Federal Reserve and central banking system.
Why has he been targeted by every single mainstream outlet on the planet? Why won't they say anything good about him? People simply refuse to give the guy a chance saying "Oh let's get him out of there.." yet they offer no solutions.
Like Hilary would have been better suited for the job. Talk about letting the wolf watch the hen house. That evil bitch has literally killed and robbed her way up the ladder. The truth is coming out about her soon enough
Mitch McConnell Received Donations from Voting Machine Lobbyists Before Blocking Election Security Bills
This is why the gop want Donald trump ...he distracts the country with his racist tweets meanwhile back at the ranch things like this happen...I mean has anyone heard of mueller this past weekend ...nope...msm is too busy focused on his racist tweets...all preplanned.
No but I heard plenty in the week, the media will now switch to wall to wall debate on 'racism' until the democrats debates on tuesday and wednesday.
Vorcirion said I should watch the debates, but can anyone refer me to a good policy or new idea that came out of the first round of debates ? [as I only watched clips afterwards, wouldn't have been able to cope watching the whole thing live]
That so-called "debate" was so scripted it was actually hilarious. They were all drones raising their hands in unison when asked about the health insurance for illegals. Oh sorry, I'm not supposed to use the word "illegal" as they are offended by it and it's racist.
What about health care for 150 million Americans who pay tax? Barry, I mean Obama's (lol) made everyone pay $575 tax penalty if they couldn't afford his "Obama Care".Health insurance. The rest had their insurance double if they were lucky.
You really should watch both sides instead of letting media pundits to spin things according to their own views. It's weird when you keep whining about msm and their bias but you don't bother watching what actually happens and let Tucker do his version for you. I don't approve!
yeah that is true, apparently, according to tucker, elizabeth warren did talk some economic sense: 0.29 onwards [esp 3.50 forward]
I think there could be a one nation consensus, if the dems woke up and focused on the real priorities for the majority.

Well democrats hold those positions. The majority agree with democrats in about...well everything![]()
