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basically, the same people looking for excuses and 'rationale' it was all a hoax are the same people can see a face in the moon
if you look for confirmation biases to 'prove' their theories, they'll find them

spoiler alert: it isnt made of green cheese either
 
I posted that link earlier in the thread but I’m not sure anyone read it.

As for what Kelly Smith said about the Van Allen belt, he was talking about travelling to Mars, a completely different trajectory to that used by the Apollo missions. For Apollo they could plot a course through the thinnest part of the belt, thereby limiting the exposure. Flying to Mars is a different kettle of fish and would require them to fly through the thickest part of the belt and for longer. A different challenge altogether.
 
instead of just posting that link why don't you just answer the questions I posed in post # 2445 in layman's terms?
er, you literally just posted a vid and instructed people to go to a timestamp
 
I posted that link earlier in the thread but I’m not sure anyone read it.

As for what Kelly Smith said about the Van Allen belt, he was talking about travelling to Mars, a completely different trajectory to that used by the Apollo missions. For Apollo they could plot a course through the thinnest part of the belt, thereby limiting the exposure. Flying to Mars is a different kettle of fish and would require them to fly through the thickest part of the belt and for longer. A different challenge altogether.

and what about what the iss commander said?
 
basically, the same people looking for excuses and 'rationale' it was all a hoax are the same people can see a face in the moon
if you look for confirmation biases to 'prove' their theories, they'll find them

spoiler alert: it isnt made of green cheese either

Of course it ain’t...According to the song it’s a big pizza pie :p
 
basically, the same people looking for excuses and 'rationale' it was all a hoax are the same people can see a face in the moon
if you look for confirmation biases to 'prove' their theories, they'll find them

spoiler alert: it isnt made of green cheese either

stop trying to deride people with a different opinion, what's wrong with a grown up debate instead of name calling?
 
probably because it's a non-debate with as much merit as the Earth is flat has
it isnt a difference of opinion so much as a blatant disregard of facts available to anyone wants to educate themselves on them
 
probably because it's a non-debate with as much merit as the Earth is flat has
it isnt a difference of opinion so much as a blatant disregard of facts available to anyone wants to educate themselves on them

It's not the same as the flat earth nonsense, don't be silly, you're equating different things again like your seeing a face in the moon insult
 
Hmmmm.

From North Korea to Trump. Various other subjects and now are the moon landings real.

I love this thread and all the members.

Now since people are in the mood to debate and have the answers. I have 3 important questions hopefully someone can answer them.

1. Have aliens ever landed on earth and have they abducted anyone.

2. Are ghosts real.

3. Is there really a god.
 
Hmmmm.

From North Korea to Trump. Various other subjects and now are the moon landings real.

I love this thread and all the members.

Now since people are in the mood to debate and have the answers. I have 3 important questions hopefully someone can answer them.

1. Have aliens ever landed on earth and have they abducted anyone.

2. Are ghosts real.

3. Is there really a god.
1. unlikely; most believed laws of physics prohibit the space travel required, but in a big vast universe I'd expect there's life out there and siences we simply cant understand - if there are, theyre simply too far to be a concern
2. probably not; in all of history, there's not reliable source to suggest so, much like supernatural brain powers, magic and amazing mythological beasts; funny that, every pic of an alien or vid of mental powers are as sketchy as a 3 dollar bill, but every 13 yr old can catch a clear as day cat pic
3. probably not; faith might be great for those as have it, but pretty much every religion can be traced back to archaic superstitious beliefs, but perhaps we simply arent evolved or clever enough to grasp the existence of a 'creator'
 
but I'm not using derision that's the difference you can't seem to grasp
it's ridiculous to lend credence to an outmoded 'theory' that's been addressed, answered and explained a multitude of times and accepted as truth by the entirety of the scientific community; the fact people persist on ignoring said facts isn't a good reason to lend value to them
 
1. unlikely; most believed laws of physics prohibit travel, but in a big vast universe I'd expect there's life out there and siences we simply cant understand - if there are, theyre simplytoo far to be a cocern
2. probably not; in all of history, there's not reliable source to suggest so, much like supernatural brain powers, magic and amazing myhtological beasts; funny that, every pic of an alien or vid of mental powers are as sketchy as a 3 dollar bill, but every 13 yr old can catch a clear as day cat pic
3. probably not; faith might be great for those as have it, but pretty much every religion can be traced back to archaic superstitious beliefs, but perhaps we simply arent evolved or clever enough to grasp the existence of a 'creator'

Well i believe in 1 and 2 but not 3.

I am sure Aliens have been here. 2. Tell the shadow that i see regularly in my hall and makes noises upstairs ghosts are not real. 3. Yeah don't believe in god.

But i wanted evidence lol.
 
Well i believe in 1 and 2 but not 3.

I am sure Aliens have been here. 2. Tell the shadow that i see regularly in my hall and makes noises upstairs ghosts are not real. 3. Yeah don't believe in god.

But i wanted evidence lol.
i wish my dogs wouldnt bark at things in the corners i cant see :eek2:
 
See dogs can sense things humans can't. Told you ghosts are real.
lol, true - though I'm more apt to believe it senses a sound in the walls, down the road, an insect my vision isnt good enough to see or some other more likely rationale of something my own senses cant catch - but ive seen enough horror movies to be spooked as shit :P
 
1. Have aliens ever landed on earth and have they abducted anyone.

First part is very doubtful and the second part almost certainly not.

2. Are ghosts real.

In the sense they are the spirits of people long dead? No.
I do believe people see ghosts though, I’ve seen a couple myself. One was as a result of me just waking up and my brain was still hard at work creating imagery for my dreams. That’s was an experience and a half.
The other time was as a result of very poor light and an over active imagination. When I told myself it couldn’t possibly be real it slowly disappeared.

3. Is there really a god.

In the biblical sense, almost certainly not.

However, I do sometimes believe there may be something else. I rather like the Simulation Argument by Nick Bostrom. That would explain a lot of things...
 
However, I do sometimes believe there may be something else. I rather like the Simulation Argument by Nick Bostrom. That would explain a lot of things...

That would be awesome. The Matrix and the simulation argument are interesting ideas. A form of epistemological solipsism.

This would be somewhat on the thread topic: NK could be seen as a solipsistic society.
 
Hmmmm.

From North Korea to Trump. Various other subjects and now are the moon landings real.

I love this thread and all the members.

Now since people are in the mood to debate and have the answers. I have 3 important questions hopefully someone can answer them.

1. Have aliens ever landed on earth and have they abducted anyone.

2. Are ghosts real.

3. Is there really a god.

1. I hope they have landed on Earth. Dunno about abductions :P I do believe aliens exist at least...there are way too many options where they can be (billions of planets out there), that it's almost impossible to not have sentient life somewhere else than on Earth.

2. Well I do keep hearing stories about them, but they seem less credible to me at least.

3. When I start thinking about the universe itself...like how it all began. Sure there's Big Bang and all that...but what was before that? All of this materia had to come from somewhere...so something has had to always exist...for an eternity :P Our universe had to come from somewhere and something had to trigger this Big Bang. I don't have any kind of rational explanation for any of that. That's one thing that makes me think that there just might be some kind of higher power.
 
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I posted that link earlier in the thread but I’m not sure anyone read it.

As for what Kelly Smith said about the Van Allen belt, he was talking about travelling to Mars, a completely different trajectory to that used by the Apollo missions. For Apollo they could plot a course through the thinnest part of the belt, thereby limiting the exposure. Flying to Mars is a different kettle of fish and would require them to fly through the thickest part of the belt and for longer. A different challenge altogether.

Exactly. Thank you steve. I told him someone had addressed his issues that were brought up in the video.
 
Won't get into it because by the time I'd finished this thread would be 250 pages long, that is if Kim Jong wssnt so pissed that he put a hit out on me for taking over his thread b4 i finished.

Spent a good 5-6 years in a very small cprivate paranormal group, with only 4 other close people of which i trust in it. it was actually me and my mother who created the 'group' tbh . as a result have visited so many amazing locations, ranging from over nighters at wetherspoons or castles which included Dover, beautiful private owned mansions or historical and huge private buildings, to the other end of the spectrum like some random families stinking bathroom.


but ill never forget one thing, that happened when NOT out on the hunt :) ..

i have seen something appear less than 2 mtrs infront of me, just above my eye view. i can only describe it as a hollow, human shaped silhouette, with a almost flame like outer lining. it outlined the head, body, arms and legs, but was missing feet or hands. and it was so bright when it appeared that i , and my friend had to instinctly try and shield our eyes
i happened to be with, at the time this happened, a none ghost beleiving friend).
under the circumstances and location - which was at night and in a dark remote lane with nobody around for miles, in an area i knew like the back of my hand for the rprevious 20 years, and had been a million times before so knew every inch of it , was simply not possible to fake) .

i strangely had also felt something was there 30 minutes prior to this.. since in that part of the deserted lanes that went on for miles (between folkestone and dover, a place of which i have just moved from).
prior to its appearance i had an overwhelming sense of dread that something evil was close. like something going to get me. i had no reason to feel this way, and didnt know why i found myself feeling so terrified in a place i knew so well all my life (i was not 'ghosthunting' at the time, and ive never felt that feeling before or after it happened at wny point in my life, anywhere. the feeling of absolute utter dread, and despair)
and that feeling coincidently appeared as i first approached where this event would unfold later once i returned, and that feeeling to which ive yet to ever feel in 37 years before or since, dissapeared in the click of a finger once going past the location of which 'something' would appear right infront of us when returning past it on our journey home.
it happened around midnight, in the absolute middle of nowhere. though as said, i knew the area well, I'd lived near it all my life s8nce i was born.

to say the series of events were f***** up, would be the biggest understatement i could ever make in my life.

luckily for me, i had a friend who didnt beleive in any of that kind of stuff with me at the time, so i let him explain in detail what he had seen after he wiped his pants and picked his jaw up off the floor, without inturuption or agreement from myself, but me just listening to his description.... before i told him after he finished. yeah, you just described exactly what i saw (not that i could miss something so bright, 2mtrs away from me during a dark night)



Also, Whatever/whoever I've had the pleasure (and at times far from pleasurable) of sharing very intelligent conversations with while using ouija boards, many many times over the years , whatever/whoever i had seemingly contacted of which would accurately spell out detailed answers to my very personal questions, questions that trusted partners with me at the time during the many conversations i participated in simply could not know the answers too (and therefor could not be ''cheating' and spelling it out to wind me up, while only the 2 of us are using the board) i have no possible logical scientific answers for .

i just know it was definately not me trying to fake it/play a joke on myself by giving myself these answers :/ obviously that would be a pretty dumb thing to do, and naturally a waste of my time. therefor id regularly ask some very personal questions simply to prove to myself, that nobody is playing a joke on me while we were there. and then continue asking different personal questions with a different member of our group while the previous one had gave up his seat for the new ond, in attempts to prove to myself further (despite knowing these people cannot know the answers to my questions im presenting) that it impossible these accurate answers to my different personal questions are being presneted by different people I'd take turns with on that board just to rule out the possibility of one person not only knowing them all, but cheating each and every time. (which due to the questions i have asked,was literally impossible anyway, i just did it for extra self clarification).

im not saying ghosts exist. i dont know what i was communicating with, i dont know what i saw in that lane. but the above is just the tip of the iceberg to what ive experienced over the years... and well, yeah... i have no other plausable explanation for any of it.


also , free tip. i wouldn't advise using ouija boards, and never have done so to anyone, i only advise the opposite. and ceartinly to never just 'play around' with an ouija board.. because from a LOT of experience with using it i can confirm it truelly is a fked up peice of equipment, and sooner or later, there will come a time that one truelly regrets using it. and that regret may linger for a very long time afterwards.


just thought I'd share a bit, since the G word came up within this magical thread :)
don't expect anyone to beleive me either. I mean well, if say 20 years ago someone had sat me down and shared with me all the things that i have experienced, i would have most likely refused to beleive much of, if any of it, myself. so take it as you will. :)





anywaaaaay..
 
Thanks for sharing Adam, good story.

I agree on the Ouija boards. It was popular when I was in high school and a friend of mine who had been doing these "games" on a regular basis freaked us all out when we were partying at another friends' place, claiming that she kept seeing this ghost in the living room.

I've never been involved in these kinds of things and never will.
 
‘If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that,” Mueller said at a press conference at Justice Department headquarters in which he also announced his resignation. “A President cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. ... Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”

Doesn’t mean he was exonerated or not guilty as trump claims.
 
Trump obviously did obstruct justice and he should face the court for that. Muller was quite clear about that. And Muller clearly said that Barr lied. Trump Jr. also probably did something criminal but was too stupid to realize it and that saved him. Trumpsters can keep crying about spying and whatnot but your idol is a criminal and he should go to jail already.
 
Trump obviously did obstruct justice and he should face the court for that. Muller was quite clear about that. And Muller clearly said that Barr lied. Trump Jr. also probably did something criminal but was too stupid to realize it and that saved him. Trumpsters can keep crying about spying and whatnot but your idol is a criminal and he should go to jail already.

Well that's the end of that then, who said reasoned debate was dead.
 
Well that's the end of that then, who said reasoned debate was dead.

What there is to debate? I don't know how to spell it out for you...Mueller was pretty clear: "If we had confidence that the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so". And they haven't said so. But they can't charge him for a crime since he's the president. So in order to charge him for a crime...he needs to be kicked out of the office one way or another.
And what you call spying (as Trump and Barr keep saying)...others call it investigating.
 
What there is to debate? I don't know how to spell it out for you...Mueller was pretty clear: "If we had confidence that the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so". And they haven't said so. But they can't charge him for a crime since he's the president. So in order to charge him for a crime...he needs to be kicked out of the office one way or another.
And what you call spying (as Trump and Barr keep saying)...others call it investigating.

Spying to me means surveillance, interception of private communication including bugging, investigating is a more general umbrella term. If Trump had colluded with russian agents to unfairly win the election, do you not possibly think surveillance would have revealed this?
 
Spying to me means surveillance, interception of private communication including bugging, investigating is a more general umbrella term. If Trump had colluded with russian agents to unfairly win the election, do you not possibly think surveillance would have revealed this?



Investigating is not spying...there was evidence that their team might have been committing treason with the Russians....so yeah...they’re gonna wiretap, etc....

And who says there isn’t evidence...


‘As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime,
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Mueller also strongly hinted that it’s now Congress’ job to do something, saying the Constitution “requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing.”
 
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‘If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that,” Mueller said at a press conference at Justice Department headquarters in which he also announced his resignation. “A President cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. ... Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”

Doesn’t mean he was exonerated or not guilty as trump claims.

Mueller: ‘If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that,”
Mr. T tweet: "Nothing changes from the Mueller Report. There was insufficient evidence and therefore, in our Country, a person is innocent. The case is closed! Thank you."
Republican House Rep. Doug Collins: "Mueller confirmed today what we knew months ago when his report was released: there was no collusion and no obstruction. Relitigating the 2016 election and reinvestigating the special counsel’s findings will only further divide our country, it's time to move on."

So Mueller clearly says there was some sort of crime, yet Mr. T and the Republicans keep saying "no collusion and no obstruction, case closed". Do they think by saying it often enough that it will change the factual text in the report? Either way, they are talking exactly how guilty criminals do.


Fact is the hilarious US presidential comedy show keeps going. Mr. T siding with Kim shows how desperate he is for anything that looks like a win. He's got nothing to show other than executive orders and an unpopular tax cut for the rich. No deals, no achievements, nothing of essence.

The US is now friends with some of the worst dictators and wannabee-dictators (Kim, Putin, Duterte, Al-Sisi, MBS), is attacking and threatening its best friends and allies and has become the laughing stock of the world. What an achievement! :rolleyes:
 
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Investigating is not spying...there was evidence that their team might have been committing treason with the Russians....so yeah...they’re gonna wiretap, etc....

And who says there isn’t evidence...


‘As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime,
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,” Mueller said.

Mueller also strongly hinted that it’s now Congress’ job to do something, saying the Constitution “requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing.”

right so then impeachment proceedings? surely mueller's statement also means that he wasn't confident trump had committed a crime???
 
right so then impeachment proceedings? surely mueller's statement also means that he wasn't confident trump had committed a crime???

Does it really sound innocent to you the way Mueller described it? If Trump was innocent...surely he could say that? But he can't make direct accusations 'cause Trump can't defend himself in the court yet. After his presidency he can.
 
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