North Korea and US politics

[mack341]

I think its just people no longer want to be responsible for the actions, just like dead beat dads.

And there's an industry promoting and profiting from these irresponsible people too and looks like they are being politically protected by the democrats? this abortion industry looks like a very well funded, slick operation in the worse sense, I can't believe that woman still works for them...

 

[slotplayer]

And there's an industry promoting and profiting from these irresponsible people too and looks like they are being politically protected by the democrats? this abortion industry looks like a very well funded, slick operation in the worse sense, I can't believe that woman still works for them...

yes, it was pretty callous.

They're all full of shyt both left and right. The left screaming about" kids in cages" but have no problem aborting a child that could be born any day now.

Same with the right, a 72 hour limit for a gun background check. Let it take as long as it takes. How unreasonable is that?

 

[Steviedoo]

more men discussing abortion.

just what we need more of.

 

[goatwack]

more men discussing abortion.

just what we need more of.

Because men can't have a say on the matter, given that it's their child also?

 

[pinnit2014]

I know - it’s almost as radical as women commentators discussing football on BBC

 

[goatwack]

I know - it’s almost as radical as women commentators discussing football on BBC

No need to lower the tone

 

[pinnit2014]

No need to lower the tone

It’s the Trump thread - the tones as low as it can go

 

[Playford7]

more men discussing abortion.

just what we need more of.

Oh so men are irrelevant?.
You are aware men have it a damn sight worse than women in almost every aspect of life?.

 

[Playford7]

I know - it’s almost as radical as women commentators discussing football on BBC

They are shit at that tbh.

 

[Playford7]

It’s the Trump thread - the tones as low as it can go

Please don’t disrespect ‘daddy’ like that.
The guys a global breath of fresh air

 

[goatwack]

 

[colinsunderland]

more men discussing abortion.

just what we need more of.

seriously?

 

[goatwack]

 

[Chipkin9]

This can be spun any way one wants and no one's going to ever fully agree on something as sensitive as Abortion Rights.

But seeing New York pass the Reproductive Health Act made me sick to the stomach to be fair

And yet still we can't legalize euthansia for the terminally ill, what a sad and disgusting fucking world, especially when people are having abortions so it doesn't interfere with thier party lifestyles...Use protection and take the pilll if you don't plan on the responsibility of parenthood!

I fully agree with women's right to choose for the right reasons, but it annoys me when they don't take responsibility and then just decide to have a termination because they can't "afford it". What a lying and petty excuse of a reason to have an abortion when it could have been prevented in the first place and b) you can use an adoption service if you can't "afford it". I'm sure plenty of women out there who can't conceive a child would be eternally grateful.

 

[Steviedoo]

yes a bunch of men deciding what women should do with their bodies.

we need more of that.

anyone else wanna chime in here...

i'm just let you guys talk this out ...

you can tell us women what you have all decided...

 

[Steviedoo]

And yet still we can't legalize euthansia for the terminally ill, what a sad and disgusting fucking world, especially when people are having abortions so it doesn't interfere with thier party lifestyles...Use protection and take the pilll if you don't plan on the responsibility of parenthood!

I fully agree with women's right to choose for the right reasons, but it annoys me when they don't take responsibility and then just decide to have a termination because they can't "afford it". What a lying and petty excuse of a reason to have an abortion when it could have been prevented in the first place and b) you can use an adoption service if you can't "afford it". I'm sure plenty of women out there who can't conceive a child would be eternally grateful.

...they as in the woman?

....and my personal favorite.... as in the woman could have prevented it?

nice

 

[Steviedoo]

I know - it’s almost as radical as women commentators discussing football on BBC

you think deciding to have an abortion is on the same level as discussing football?

 

[goatwack]

yes a bunch of men deciding what women should do with their bodies.

we need more of that.

anyone else wanna chime in here...

i'm just let you guys talk this out ...

you can tell us women what you have all decided...

You seem to place a lot of emphasis on the preservation of women's bodies, when what's actually being discussed is the termination of unborn babies as a lifestyle choice.

But I guess discussion from both sides is an alien concept to you on this particular issue

 

[Steviedoo]

seriously?

yes colin seriously.

i'm pretty sure you are all great guys...nice men...good husbands, boyfriends, friends etc...this is not a comment on who you all are....

..but you mean to tell me if i told you what to do with your body you would be ok with that?

come on...

 

[Steviedoo]

You seem to place a lot of emphasis on the preservation of women's bodies, when what's actually being discussed is the termination of unborn babies as a lifestyle choice.

But I guess discussion from both sides is an alien concept to you on this particular issue

i'm sorry.

where is it a lifestyle choice?

you seem to be buying the nonsense the right have been peddling for years...


like i said....in my initial post...don't care where you stand on the issue...but the right including mr trump have been peddling that women and the left just don't care about unborn children to the point of lying that its a lifestyle choice, that women and doctors kill the babies after birth...like come on...that is a lie.

sorry.

 

[Chipkin9]

...they as in the woman?

....and my personal favorite.... as in the woman could have prevented it?

nice

Yes, as in if you don't plan on being a parent and having the responsibilty of rearing a child, then simply don't have irresponsible sex. What is wrong with suggesting that? It's a hell of an alternative to having an abortion...As I stated women are free to do what they want with their bodies including having an abortion, but having the opinion that some reasons are disgusting is an non argument to me, I'm not discussing your right to choose.

And yes don't play dumb, women can prevent getting pregnant and before you misinterpret me I am also not discussing rape; that's a very valid reason to have an abortion.

Does the point of contraception elude you?

 

[Steviedoo]

Yes, as in if you don't plan on being a parent and having the responsibilty of rearing a child, then simply don't have irresponsible sex. What is wrong with suggesting that? It's a hell of an alternative to having an abortion...As I stated women are free to do what they want with their bodies including having an abortion, but having the opinion that some reasons are disgusting is an non argument to me, I'm not discussing your right to choose.

And yes don't play dumb, women can prevent getting pregnant and before you misinterpret me I am also not discussing rape; that's a very valid reason to have an abortion.

so you mean to tell me that it solely falls on the woman to prevent pregnancy.

ok...

 

[Playford7]

So all accountability is taken away from the women..
the unborn isn’t a issue.. really?.
Abortion is totally avoidable. It’s not it’s some random event to thrust itself on these ohhh so innocent women, they kind of opened there legs to receive in the first place to get the gift of life.
If it’s rape, I mean real rape then yes I’d agree the women should have a say.
But the way the world is now rape can be classed as a women regretting a bad sex session.
Feminism is cancer.
I’ve been in and out of court over the past year with a so called women whom lied and lied and had the full backing of the corrupt and feminised system in the uk, so excuse me if I’m a little curt with my replies.
Oh, I won every time in court, cost me tens of thousands...
What did it cost the women?..
Fuck all as she’s never worked, two kids to two separate dads and never had a full time job in her life...
So again do excuse my tone, I’ve seen how women’s ‘equality’ works in real life and in the legal system...
It’s a fucking joke

 

[Chipkin9]

so you mean to tell me that it solely falls on the woman to prevent pregnancy.

ok...

No I didn't say that at all, you are playing stupid and pretending that woman can't prevent it though just to suit some political argument or making things into a men vs women thing when it's not even about that.

I mean you can't even hold your hands up and say, yes women should be more responsible and take contraceptive precautions if they don't want the responsibility of a child.

But no, let's all have unprotected sex, get pregnant and then have an abortion because we "Can't afford it" or the burden of a child on your lifestyle is too much.

 

[goatwack]

I think the worst part of the aforementioned New York bill is how any woman can carry a baby past first trimester, through the second (6 months in) and in the final throes of the third trimester 'choose' to inject a needle into the unborn child and kill it. If that's not sick or a selfish lifestyle choice then I really don't know what is

 

[Playford7]

I think the worst part of the aforementioned New York bill is how any woman can carry a baby past first trimester, through the second (6 months in) and in the final throes of the third trimester 'choose' to inject a needle into the unborn child and kill it. If that's not sick or a selfish lifestyle choice then I really don't know what is

It’s heinous.
Totally immortal and frankly sick.
Anyone whom wants such a society really want to check the moral compass, should they have one.

 

[paul7388]

I think the worst part of the aforementioned New York bill is how any woman can carry a baby past first trimester, through the second (6 months in) and in the final throes of the third trimester 'choose' to inject a needle into the unborn child and kill it. If that's not sick or a selfish lifestyle choice then I really don't know what is

Not heard anything about that but yeah that is just totally wrong.

Personally i believe a woman should have the right to have an abortion if she wishes. But in the early stages. I would not agree with it at way after 6 months.

But see this thread as went from Korea to Trump and now on to abortion.

Must check in more often to see what next debated topic is.

 

[goatwack]

Not heard anything about that but yeah that is just totally wrong.

Personally i believe a woman should have the right to have an abortion if she wishes. But in the early stages. I would not agree with it at way after 6 months.

But see this thread as went from Korea to Trump and now on to abortion.

Must check in more often to see what next debated topic is.

I don't know either to be honest. But it took somewhat of a wrong turn when some of us were instructed to butt out of the discussion on the basis of being male.

In fact I'm going to have to disregard your post; you don't know what you're talking about

 

[paul7388]

I don't know either to be honest. But it took somewhat of a wrong turn when some of us were instructed to butt out of the discussion on the basis of being male.

In fact I'm going to have to disregard your post; you don't know what you're talking about[/QUOTE

Okay

 

[Chipkin9]

Not heard anything about that but yeah that is just totally wrong.

Personally i believe a woman should have the right to have an abortion if she wishes. But in the early stages. I would not agree with it at way after 6 months.

But see this thread as went from Korea to Trump and now on to abortion.

Must check in more often to see what next debated topic is.

Has Britains war on porn been discussed yet?

I feel like now's the time to invest in a VPN

 

[paul7388]

Has Britains war on porn been discussed yet?

I feel like now's the time to invest in a VPN

I mentioned that a few weeks back somewhere.

Now instead of people worrying about kids using parents credit cards to gamble they will need to be watching the kids don't steal their ID just so they can jerk off in bed.

What is the world coming too. Anymore changes and poor kids will need to go back to the old days and buy Magazines. So much for technology advancing

Anyway stop derailing a thread about North Korea

 

[goatwack]

Right. Where were we

 

[Playford7]

Has Britains war on porn been discussed yet?

I feel like now's the time to invest in a VPN

Had one years.
Essential tool of the free..
if that fails the dark web will offer a host of superb content.

 

[Chipkin9]

I mentioned that a few weeks back somewhere.

Now instead of people worrying about kids using parents credit cards to gamble they will need to be watching the kids don't steal their ID just so they can jerk off in bed.

What is the world coming too. Anymore changes and poor kids will need to go back to the old days and buy Magazines. So much for technology advancing

Anyway stop derailing a thread about North Korea

Damn, well I'm outta ideas. Looks like you guys have everything covered

And that's some outside the box thinking about the credit card stealing...poor buggers in the streets are gonna be getting mobbed by horny 12year old kids next. They didn't think of that did they?

 

[Steviedoo]

No I didn't say that at all, you are playing stupid and pretending that woman can't prevent it though just to suit some political argument or making things into a men vs women thing when it's not even about that.

I mean you can't even hold your hands up and say, yes women should be more responsible and take contraceptive precautions if they don't want the responsibility of a child.

But no, let's all have unprotected sex, get pregnant and then have an abortion because we "Can't afford it" or the burden of a child on your lifestyle is too much.

and men have no responsibility to have protected sex?

that's fresh

 

[Chipkin9]

and men have no responsibility to have protected sex?

that's fresh

Where did I state that exaclty, can you please highlight that for me...let me spell it out nice and clear. YES THEY DO. But that is some bullshit deflection you have going on since that is still wholly irrelevant to the points being made to you

 

[Chipkin9]

Also done with your men v women baiting...have a lovely night

 

[dionysus]

of course men should share responsibility

but that's an odd one that, innit? Men should share the burden of responsibility but not a share in having a say from those responsibilities and repercussions?

 

[Steviedoo]

every post you made...i even made a point of saying to you ...you mean woman?

and you said yes...so please spare us the drama now...you're the one who post after post said its the woman's responsibility...i just repeated what you posted.

 

[Playford7]

and men have no responsibility to have protected sex?

that's fresh

Yes and we take it.
We don’t benefit in anyway if the female falls pregnant. Infact we are at a loss from the off,
Your point being what exactly?..

and men have no responsibility to have protected sex?

that's fresh

and after all that has been said that’s your argument?..
seriously?..
You clearly have a really poor view of men and also life.
That said we all are aloud a opinion.
Would you be open to speaking to me?. Via phone call, Skype or whatever?..
I’ll tell you my experience first hand, no lies nor bullshit, I’ll even forward you my Solicitor’s letters, my court findings.
Should you think my view is wrong I’ll happily allow you to post the full lot on here.

 

[Chipkin9]

every post you made...i even made a point of saying to you ...you mean woman?

and you said yes...so please spare us the drama now...you're the one who post after post said its the woman's responsibility...i just repeated what you posted.

What points? You're trying to get into an argument, that is all you're attempting to do. When someone makes a statement about abortion and why some of the reasons given are abhorrent you become defensive and try to initiate some whataboutery instead of taking a step back, looking at what has been said objectively and then saying whether you agree or disagree.

You're literally just trying your best to have a men vs women argument. No drama on my part...that's all on yours

 

[Steviedoo]

I think the worst part of the aforementioned New York bill is how any woman can carry a baby past first trimester, through the second (6 months in) and in the final throes of the third trimester 'choose' to inject a needle into the unborn child and kill it. If that's not sick or a selfish lifestyle choice then I really don't know what is

do you even know what the bill is about?

or are you going by what trump and his cronies said...you are buying the right wing extreme propoganda..

"The act legalizes abortion "at any time when necessary to protect a woman's life or health"

that is the newyork bill you are talking about.

 

[Steviedoo]

What points? You're trying to get into an argument, that is all you're attempting to do. When someone makes a statement about abortion and why some of the reasons given are abhorrent you become defensive and try to initiate some whataboutery instead of taking a step back, looking at what has been said objectively and then saying whether you agree or disagree.

You're literally just trying your best to have a men vs women argument. No drama on my part...that's all on yours

you know what chipkin...I am anti abortion....after 24 weeks ...except when the mothers life is in danger and if it was a rape,...you can't come to me and tell me what i can do. sorry. whether it's women or men who are passing bills outright banning abortion sorry. you just can't do it.

and it's man vs woman issue whether we like it or not.

 

[Playford7]

you know what chipkin...I am anti abortion....after 24 weeks ...except when the mothers life is in danger and if it was a rape,...you can't come to me and tell me what i can do. sorry. whether it's women or men who are passing bills outright banning abortion sorry. you just can't do it.

and it's man vs woman issue whether we like it or not.

It’s people like you that cause all this ‘man vs women’ bullshit.
Equality isn’t a competition ffs.

 

[Steviedoo]

Yes and we take it.
We don’t benefit in anyway if the female falls pregnant. Infact we are at a loss from the off,
Your point being what exactly?..

and after all that has been said that’s your argument?..
seriously?..
You clearly have a really poor view of men and also life.
That said we all are aloud a opinion.
Would you be open to speaking to me?. Via phone call, Skype or whatever?..
I’ll tell you my experience first hand, no lies nor bullshit, I’ll even forward you my Solicitor’s letters, my court findings.
Should you think my view is wrong I’ll happily allow you to post the full lot on here.

playford did you not see my post to colin...i said...you guys here on the forum...i'm pretty sure are nice people, nice guys, good husbands...

i do not think poorly of any man except ones who are deadbeat dads, etc...

and i'm sure you have been through hell and back...i do not doubt it at all...i do not doubt that whatever you went through....i believe you. trust me.

men and women are equally nasty.

 

[Chipkin9]

you know what chipkin...I am anti abortion....after 24 weeks ...except when the mothers life is in danger and if it was a rape,...you can't come to me and tell me what i can do. sorry. whether it's women or men who are passing bills outright banning abortion sorry. you just can't do it.

and it's man vs woman issue whether we like it or not.

So you think that women having unprotected sex and not taking any contraceptive is fine...and it's also fine that when they get pregnant they can have an abortion just because? You don't at least think that women should bear some responsibility in their thinking beforehand and take the necessary measures (Excluding abortion obviously) if they don't plan on being a parent? As far as I can see men can't get pregnant, so we can't exactly instruct on or tell you woman what to do, it's all your own choice, so yes most of the responsibility does lie with women to prevent getting pregnant.

Also this isn't a man v women argument...a good proportion of women think the same way, at least the ones with some good common sense at least. And that's not a dig.

 

[Steviedoo]

So you think that women having having unprotected sex and not taking any contraceptive is fine...and it's also fine that when they get pregnant they can have an abortion just because? You don't at least think that women should bear some responsibility in thier thinking beforehand and take the necessary measures if they don't plan on being a parent? As far as I can see men can't get pregnant, so we can't exactly instruct on or tell you woman what to do, it's all your own choice, so yes most of the responsibility does lie with women to prevent getting pregnant.

Also this isn't a man v women argument...a good proportion of women think the same way, at least the ones with some good common sense at least. And that's not a dig.

...if the responsibility lies with the woman...you are now saying exactly what you accused me of saying you posted but i will leave that aside for the moment.

if the responsibility is mainly ours(i don't agree but i'm going with it) then men shouldn't have a say in what we do afterwards...seeing it's our fault...see how that works....

 

[goatwack]

do you even know what the bill is about?

or are you going by what trump and his cronies said...you are buying the right wing extreme propoganda..

"The act legalizes abortion "at any time when necessary to protect a woman's life or health"

Full-term?? And those cases must be all of 0.3% of those performed.

Seemingly the 'health' aspect has not been defined, so that could include mental, last-minute u-turns or just grandiose acting performances by the woman deciding she doesn't want the child after all. In fact it becomes the woman's choice only, but then you're completely for that


And how predictable. Seemingly you don't know. And who brought Trump into this

So in the end, a 'Lifestyle choice'

 

[Playford7]

...if the responsibility lies with the woman...you are now saying exactly what you accused me of saying you posted but i will leave that aside for the moment.

if the responsibility is mainly ours(i don't agree but i'm going with it) then men shouldn't have a say in what we do afterwards...seeing it's our fault...see how that works....

Women can have and bear the great thing of children.
Hell yes it’s all down to the women.
It’s your bodies after all that we have rammed down our throats time after time.

 

[Chipkin9]

...if the responsibility lies with the woman...you are now saying exactly what you accused me of saying you posted but i will leave that aside for the moment.

if the responsibility is mainly ours(i don't agree but i'm going with it) then men shouldn't have a say in what we do afterwards...seeing it's our fault...see how that works....

So what are you trying to say then exactly?

On one hand you're angry and adamant that men should admit more responsibility in women getting pregnant. I mean what do you want men to do if you have unprotected sex and you don't intend on getting pregnant? Force a contraceptive pill down your throat for you preemptively just incase?

Jesus that would go down well wouldn't it?

If you don't intend on getting pregnant, then it falls on you to prevent it, you are the ones who fought for abortion to be legal in the first place, so at least take the repsonibility beforehand in making sure you don't get pregnant if you don't want a child.

Not responsible enough to be a parent, don't have irresponsible sex.

And then you state men should have no say in the matters of abortion...cause fuck all us men and our rights, right?

If men want to keep and could support the child, tough! Is that right? You know, because he couldn't keep it in his pants and it's his fault you got pregnant and not yours?

Damn, alot of mental gymnastics involved.