North Korea and US politics

[vorcirion]

That would probably be a libel case and not something you go to jail for, but the free speech laws in the US are different to here, for example they can discuss ongoing trials I believe, and OJ was often accused of killing his ex wife even after being acquitted.

I wonder whether anyone in the US does think about this woman's death, if not then surely a big blunder by trump that will cost him votes.

Only Trump's supporters might think something about it. For everyone else it's a case closed long time ago. But that's the problem...his supporters are the most idiotic, insane people there are. When Trump does these things...people start acting 'cause of it. I'm pretty sure Joe Scarborough will get many death threats now and I'm sure there are couple of trumpsters who would happily attack Joe or even kill him 'cause of it.

Do you understand that this isn't something to do with election and who wins or not? This is something to do with people's lives. Widower's and Joe's.

Free speech my ass.

 

[sufferinsilence]

epstein's case isn't that cold and far more suspicious why doesn't trump reopen that one...

Because he is deeply connected to Epstein. Why ask a question you know the answer to

 

[mack341]

well the wikipedia text on the death looks like it has been changed, considerably shortened, found this version on reddit:

On July 20, 2001, Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old aide to Scarborough, was found dead in his Fort Walton Beach office by a couple who had an appointment with the Congressman that morning, arranged by Klausutis. According to Scarborough, soon after her death, allegations "spread all over the Internet" that he had been involved.[16] Controversy regarding the medical examiner and his reports, and Scarborough's announcement two months earlier that he would be resigning his newly-won Congressional seat in mid-term, contributed to the speculation.

The medical examiner, Dr. Michael Berkland, had been fired from a job in Missouri for failing to complete autopsy reports, and had his Missouri medical license revoked for six years; he was later dismissed from his Florida Medical Examiner position, again for failing to complete reports. Initital reports stating that there was no sign of trauma to Klausutis were followed by reports of a scratch and a bruise on her head, which were followed in turn by reports of two fractures and a contra-coup head injury; Berkland's explanation for the different versions was, "the last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury." Berkland's ultimate determination was that Klausutis had an undiagnosed heart problem which caused her to faint and hit her head on the edge of the desk, fracturing her skull.[17]

In 2003, Scarborough joked with Don Imus about speculations regarding Klausutis's death on Imus' radio program,[18] and, in 2004, it was the subject of a public spat between Scarborough and filmmaker Michael Moore.[19] Moore accused Scarborough of wrongdoing, even though Scarborough was in his Washington, DC office at the time of his aide's death.

If that last bit is true, the spat with moore over it, I find that odd and intriguing, but I can't find much so far about the details.

This is the problem with the internet articles just get memory holed at the push of a button, don't know if the wayback machine is any good.

 

[vorcirion]

well the wikipedia text on the death looks like it has been changed, considerably shortened, found this version on reddit:

On July 20, 2001, Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old aide to Scarborough, was found dead in his Fort Walton Beach office by a couple who had an appointment with the Congressman that morning, arranged by Klausutis. According to Scarborough, soon after her death, allegations "spread all over the Internet" that he had been involved.[16] Controversy regarding the medical examiner and his reports, and Scarborough's announcement two months earlier that he would be resigning his newly-won Congressional seat in mid-term, contributed to the speculation.

The medical examiner, Dr. Michael Berkland, had been fired from a job in Missouri for failing to complete autopsy reports, and had his Missouri medical license revoked for six years; he was later dismissed from his Florida Medical Examiner position, again for failing to complete reports. Initital reports stating that there was no sign of trauma to Klausutis were followed by reports of a scratch and a bruise on her head, which were followed in turn by reports of two fractures and a contra-coup head injury; Berkland's explanation for the different versions was, "the last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury." Berkland's ultimate determination was that Klausutis had an undiagnosed heart problem which caused her to faint and hit her head on the edge of the desk, fracturing her skull.[17]

In 2003, Scarborough joked with Don Imus about speculations regarding Klausutis's death on Imus' radio program,[18] and, in 2004, it was the subject of a public spat between Scarborough and filmmaker Michael Moore.[19] Moore accused Scarborough of wrongdoing, even though Scarborough was in his Washington, DC office at the time of his aide's death.

If that last bit is true, the spat with moore over it, I find that odd and intriguing, but I can't find much so far about the details.

This is the problem with the internet articles just get memory holed at the push of a button, don't know if the wayback machine is any good.

You're obviously missing the point. Do you even care about the widower or Joe?

 

[sufferinsilence]

well the wikipedia text on the death looks like it has been changed, considerably shortened, found this version on reddit:

On July 20, 2001, Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old aide to Scarborough, was found dead in his Fort Walton Beach office by a couple who had an appointment with the Congressman that morning, arranged by Klausutis. According to Scarborough, soon after her death, allegations "spread all over the Internet" that he had been involved.[16] Controversy regarding the medical examiner and his reports, and Scarborough's announcement two months earlier that he would be resigning his newly-won Congressional seat in mid-term, contributed to the speculation.

The medical examiner, Dr. Michael Berkland, had been fired from a job in Missouri for failing to complete autopsy reports, and had his Missouri medical license revoked for six years; he was later dismissed from his Florida Medical Examiner position, again for failing to complete reports. Initital reports stating that there was no sign of trauma to Klausutis were followed by reports of a scratch and a bruise on her head, which were followed in turn by reports of two fractures and a contra-coup head injury; Berkland's explanation for the different versions was, "the last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury." Berkland's ultimate determination was that Klausutis had an undiagnosed heart problem which caused her to faint and hit her head on the edge of the desk, fracturing her skull.[17]

In 2003, Scarborough joked with Don Imus about speculations regarding Klausutis's death on Imus' radio program,[18] and, in 2004, it was the subject of a public spat between Scarborough and filmmaker Michael Moore.[19] Moore accused Scarborough of wrongdoing, even though Scarborough was in his Washington, DC office at the time of his aide's death.

If that last bit is true, the spat with moore over it, I find that odd and intriguing, but I can't find much so far about the details.

This is the problem with the internet articles just get memory holed at the push of a button, don't know if the wayback machine is any good.

If it happened while Scarborough was in DC, how could he be involved then?

Anyway, the widower of Lori Klausutis basically asks for everyone to leave it alone. If that isn't enough, I don't know anymore.

 

[mack341]

You're obviously missing the point. Do you even care about the widower or Joe?

mate they are not going to be affected by me posting what I have, joe was in washington dc but maybe somebody else was involved. There are a lot of strange deaths in the US, one site I did read mentioned in alabama [which isn't far] there were a lot of mysterious deaths in a short period.

Anyway there is nothing on the internet about the case from the time, as far as I can see, so there is nothing more I will say about it.

 

[mack341]

Only Trump's supporters might think something about it. For everyone else it's a case closed long time ago. But that's the problem...his supporters are the most idiotic, insane people there are. When Trump does these things...people start acting 'cause of it. I'm pretty sure Joe Scarborough will get many death threats now and I'm sure there are couple of trumpsters who would happily attack Joe or even kill him 'cause of it.

Do you understand that this isn't something to do with election and who wins or not? This is something to do with people's lives. Widower's and Joe's.

Free speech my ass.

has there been any other cases of 'trumpsters' trying to kill somebody donald has mentioned in unflattering terms or accused of something ?

 

[ladyhawke]

The video is a couple of tweets down.

So @mack341 finds this funny?

It isn't. Not even close.

Quite simply, just a very, very nasty travesty of a pretence at irony or satire. And to think this is from the President of the USA.

@cncas2123 was spot on.

I am struggling to think of any leader of any country, past or present, who has brought such embarrassment to their office in the way that Trump has brought to the office of President of America.
Just which part of this is making America great again? More like dragging it into the gutter.

 

[ladyhawke]

has there been any other cases of 'trumpsters' trying to kill somebody donald has mentioned in unflattering terms or accused of something ?

You really can't be that naïve, can you?

Hate crimes are rife in the USA since Trump was elected. And yes, there have been deaths - not of specific people mentioned by Trump, but of the colour/race of people constantly denigrated and belittled by Trump.

Remember these ones for starters:

"An Indian techie Srinivas Kuchibhotla was shot dead after an American man thought he was from Iran. In March, a Sikh was shot at while being told “go back to your own country”. The man, however, survived."

"In Florida, an Indian-American was mistaken for Arab in arson attack."

 

[mack341]

So @mack341 finds this funny?

It isn't. Not even close.

Quite simply, just a very, very nasty travesty of a pretence at irony or satire. And to think this is from the President of the USA.

@cncas2123 was spot on.

I saw it as biden's campaign being dead not Joe literally in the coffin, it's all to do with joe's 'you ain't black' comment, I think trump has retweeted it, I doubt he finds all these things, somebody must be looking for memes and videos that he can then retweet.

edit: just rereading above, and it says trump posted this on facebook, I didn't know he posted on there, I thought he just used twitter, and there is no sign of the video on his twitter feed. unless it's from a week ago or so?

 

[mack341]

You really can't be that naïve, can you?

Hate crimes are rife in the USA since Trump was elected. And yes, there have been deaths - not of specific people mentioned by Trump, but of the colour/race of people constantly denigrated and belittled by Trump.

Remember these ones for starters:

"An Indian techie Srinivas Kuchibhotla was shot dead after an American man thought he was from Iran. In March, a Sikh was shot at while being told “go back to your own country”. The man, however, survived."

"In Florida, an Indian-American was mistaken for Arab in arson attack."

All crimes are rife in the US, Joe scarborough is white and a former republican congressmen, where would the hate crime angle come in here?

My point was strictly regarding trump mentioning somebody [by name, an individual] and trumpsters being so insane they then look to physically attack or kill them, that was vorcirion's point, why make it into something different?

 

[mack341]

This was on trump's feed, it's fairly good humour:

 

[ternur]

This was on trump's feed, it's fairly good humour:

Nah.

 

[sufferinsilence]

The belittling language of the cop whose knee is on the guy's neck, while the other cop is just standing around whilst he is shouting for help. Disgusting. Apparently there were 2 other cops around too as 4 were fired already.

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[sufferinsilence]

I saw it as biden's campaign being dead not Joe literally in the coffin, it's all to do with joe's 'you ain't black' comment, I think trump has retweeted it, I doubt he finds all these things, somebody must be looking for memes and videos that he can then retweet.

edit: just rereading above, and it says trump posted this on facebook, I didn't know he posted on there, I thought he just used twitter, and there is no sign of the video on his twitter feed. unless it's from a week ago or so?

He is using Facebook to complain about Twitter factchecking his messages. And to post other garbage like the video.

 

[sufferinsilence]

This was on trump's feed, it's fairly good humour:

 

[dionysus]

profile pics of wearing a mask? pfft, who does that
weirdoes

 

[sufferinsilence]

I, together with the rest of the world I'm assuming, have no words for this

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[sufferinsilence]

And to top it off a nature video especially for @Kroffe

 

[sufferinsilence]

American president being happy about Americans losing their job. MAGA...

 

[sufferinsilence]

Scrolling through the comments on my previous posts, and I apologize for spamming this topic a bit tonight, I saw this vid. What happened to Sean Hannity? He flipped 100% all of a sudden...

 

[vorcirion]

All crimes are rife in the US, Joe scarborough is white and a former republican congressmen, where would the hate crime angle come in here?

My point was strictly regarding trump mentioning somebody [by name, an individual] and trumpsters being so insane they then look to physically attack or kill them, that was vorcirion's point, why make it into something different?

Color doesn't matter much when it's just someone who opposes Trump. Maybe you forgot good people on both sides or the guy who sent some pipe bombs to democrats or even the pizzagate guy. There are plenty of crazy people out there and Trump doesn't stop with these idiotic things. And his supporters won't stop spreading the crap that Trump says.

 

[mack341]

He is using Facebook to complain about Twitter factchecking his messages. And to post other garbage like the video.

That's the first time I've seen the actual video, and it is a pretty lame attempt and not very funny; I saw bits of that Joe biden interview as the young turks analysed it on utube and seemed worried it could affect a small percentage of the black male vote as every percent counts in tight seats.

I didn't think joe's joke was such a big deal, but if you reversed it and Trump had said 'you ain't white' if you don't vote for me over joe' then certainly the response and outcry would be unimaginable.

Other than that Joe actually came across quite sharp and coherent in the interview, don't know if that is because the lockdown has enabled him to rest and charge his batteries.

 

[mack341]

Color doesn't matter much when it's just someone who opposes Trump. Maybe you forgot good people on both sides or the guy who sent some pipe bombs to democrats or even the pizzagate guy. There are plenty of crazy people out there and Trump doesn't stop with these idiotic things. And his supporters won't stop spreading the crap that Trump says.

Trump has backtracked a bit by tweeting it wasn't an original idea of his [that the death should be reinvestigated] basically others have wondered about it over the years. I don't know how popular Joe scarborough is but it could cost trump votes, as it's more toxicity, unlikely to win him any votes..

This man was badly assaulted for the crime of wearing a maga hat:

 

[ladyhawke]

[…]This man was badly assaulted for the crime of wearing a maga hat:

Absolutely disgusting behaviour by those idiots. Mindless violence perpetrated against someone who was just minding his own business. Poor guy.

Putting aside political leanings, we should all be condemning violence like this on either side of the Republican/Democratic spectrum as unacceptably abhorrent.

It really makes me wonder if the USA will ever be the United States again, as there exists so much acrimony, distrust and anger which, more and more, is finding an outlet in extreme aggression.