Nord Stream Pipelines - Under Siege!

[Webzcas]

There has been lots of talk that the two Nordstream pipelines that suffered leaks due to separate explosions were sabotaged by a state actor. With both Russia and the US according to conspiracy theorists being the prime suspects.

However, photographic evidence has emerged that it was a Z List Hollywood actor responsible!

 

[dunover]

Very funny - but who the actual firk is that?? Ricky Gervais?

I blame James Bond and his underwater Lotus Esprit Turbo.

 

[Webzcas]

It is just a lowly cook Dunover

 

[dunover]

That's actually dangerous as the gas bubbles mean any ships going across it could easily sink, due to low water density. Like when you fart in the bath underneath your toy battleship and it sinks a few inches into the bubbles.

 

[The Dude]

Very funny - but who the actual firk is that?? Ricky Gervais?

Umm - Steven Seagal? Where've you been the last 30 years lol

 

[maxd]

Russia, at least for part of the time. Apparently he and Putin are buddies, for real.

 

[Pixie]

This is actually dangerous and serious both above water (release of methane gas) and under water (fish can't breathe and they die etc.) and also politically, as a Swede I get really angry when this kind of thing happens and there will probably be more incidents ahead...

 

[Webzcas]

That he is. Has dual nationality - Russian and US.

 

[Nate]

Very funny - but who the actual firk is that?? Ricky Gervais?

I blame James Bond and his underwater Lotus Esprit Turbo.

Steven the Seagull

 

[maxd]

Saw an interesting documentary about Segal recently. Apparently he's a big-time fraudster, has lied and bullshitted his way through most of his career. Has pretty dubious taste in friends too by the look of it.

 

[Nate]

Saw an interesting documentary about Segal recently. Apparently he's a big-time fraudster, has lied and bullshitted his way through most of his career. Has pretty dubious taste in friends too by the look of it.

Also accused of rape and lots of sexual misconduct....

 

[Webzcas]

Yeah. In my late teens I loved his budget movies. But then in later life found out what he is and was really like and kind of disappointed - He was also married to Kelly Le Brock in the 90's! Childhood crush lol

 

[maxd]

Also accused of rape and lots of sexual misconduct....

Yeah, that too. Kind of professional dick from the evidence the documentary presented.

 

[maxd]

Yeah. In my late teens I loved his budget movies. But then in later life found out what he is and was really like and kind of disappointed - He was also married to Kelly Le Brock in the 90's! Childhood crush lol

Dito, sans the crush. I enjoyed some of his action movies when I was younger and cared less about who people really are. he dropped off my radar for ages but then I stumbled on the documentary and was pretty gobsmacked. To quote Woody Allen: "what an asshole!".

 

[dunover]

Dito, sans the crush. I enjoyed some of his action movies when I was younger and cared less about who people really are. he dropped off my radar for ages but then I stumbled on the documentary and was pretty gobsmacked. To quote Woody Allen: "what an asshole!".

Woody Allen, the paedo?

 

[maxd]

Woody Allen, the paedo?

Accused of that, yes. Unproven though, AFAIK. And most of the accusations come from his completely nutters ex wife so ... we each must draw our own conclusions I guess given that none of us really knows doodly squat about it.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Lots of news about this, and it looks like the explosions were deliberate.

Left wondering what either side would gain.

Some mention that Gazprom (owner of the lines) would not have to pay a financial penalty for failing to deliver gas under contract due to a force of nature being the cause if that can be claimed.

 

[Webzcas]

I know Russia have demonstrated incredible stupidity over the past 6 or 7 months, but why would they blow up their own pipeline, when they can and have turned the gas off at the source??

This is interesting however:

 

[maxd]

... why would they blow up their own pipeline ...

Well, it is a big fat ? to all their European customers, many of whom have supported the Ukrainian war effort.

 

[Webzcas]

Well, it is a big fat ? to all their European customers, many of whom have supported the Ukrainian war effort.

Does not make sense though. As they could have used it as leverage when Europe starts feeling the winter cold. Now it is blown up, no chance of using that card.

 

[Webzcas]

Also, interesting it happened within 24 hours after the Norway --> Poland pipeline was opened. My money is on a US false flag attack, backing up Biden's rhetoric from February about it. Also very likely a cyber attack, causing the pressure to build up, hence explosions. I mean, there have been lots of unexplained fires in Russian factories during the course of the war. They can't all be down to Russians being careless with their cigarette ends.....

 

[maxd]

I dunno, seems to me that if your intention is to inflict severe and immediate pain on your opponents you hit them where it hurts, hard. Blowing up their primary source of energy sounds like a pretty good candidate.

 

[Webzcas]

But why blow it up, as it is Russia's gas, that they have already stopped supplying using said pipelines? If it is Russia that has blown it up, a case of shooting themselves once again in both their feet. As can no longer offer gas as a carrot to lift sanctions/broker peace/stop military aid to Ukraine.

 

[maxd]

As to unexplained mishaps in Russian factories, etc I would think the stuff we've seen related to the Russian ware effort would strongly indicate that everything is being pushed to maximize production and productivity no matter what the costs. In that scenario you have a wide-spread disregard for safety measures, failing equipment, pissed off workers and so forth. As the saying goes "surprised it doesn't happen more often".

 

[maxd]

"... analysts said sabotage would fit neatly into Mr. Putin’s broader Russian strategy of waging war on multiple fronts, using economic and political tools, as well as arms, to undermine Ukraine’s allies and weaken their resolve and unity. It demonstrates to an already jittery Europe how vulnerable its vital infrastructure is, including other pipelines and undersea power and telecommunications cables."

NY Times,

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[maxd]

Oh, also learned that apparently there is still one pipe intact and operational. Theory is that could be an ace Putin could play if and when a cold Europe is in a conciliatory mood.

 

[justdoit]

so many pipelines under the water only Russian one are getting damaged

 

[goatwack]

There's a case to be made for either parties (or bloody 3rd party troublemakers) to have sabotaged the Nord Stream, but I'd write off it having been an accident, given the conflict.

Seems more in keeping with Putin - and just general strategy - that committing this 'obstruction' is more likely to hurt the West than Russia itself, weakening their capability in many areas. Whether that be industry, infrastructure, or just to power the weapons that are being deployed to mow down invading troops, as this war's not exactly being 'won' by Putin presently. I'd look at it like chess, sacrifice your queen but ensure the opponent's weakened more - and short of deploying tactical nukes, this is the corner he's been backed into, in his mind.

Russia's not exactly short of a barrel or two, and with their ties to China and the Middle East I'd wager that long-term, the West's somewhat at a disadvantage and fated to lose whatever happens. When your adversary starts turning off the lights then you find yourself fighting someone with nothing to lose, not exactly what I'd call an enviable situation to be in. So unless there's some resolution soon, you may want to prep that wooly jumper, as things are gonna get spicy.....

 

[Webzcas]

"... analysts said sabotage would fit neatly into Mr. Putin’s broader Russian strategy of waging war on multiple fronts, using economic and political tools, as well as arms, to undermine Ukraine’s allies and weaken their resolve and unity. It demonstrates to an already jittery Europe how vulnerable its vital infrastructure is, including other pipelines and undersea power and telecommunications cables."

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Yes, no doubt there are now a couple of Royal Navy Astute Hunter Killer Subs en-route or already patrolling the North Sea. Don't be surprised if SBS teams are not now going to be embedded on offshore oil rigs either, if not already there.

I rate UK special forces considerably higher than Russian Spetznaz equivalents that is for sure. Especially after seeing what Ukraine did to them in Hostemol at the start of Putin's illegal invasion

 

[Kroffe]

Personally i dont think Russia did it, if i had built an expensive underground hose that supplied my neighbourhood with beer, i wouldnt blow it up if i got in a war with them (im on good terms with my neighbours).
I would shut the tap from my side and once my neighbours got thirsty enough they would come begging me to turn it back on again.

To me it sounds more likely it was done to prevent european countries from 'caving in' now that we are heading towards colder days.
Its easy to say 'we wont buy Russian gas' when its summer, its harder to turn it down if you are in the middle of winter and freezing.
Like Webcaz pointed out, USA has literally said they could and would fuck up the pipeline if Russia went into Ukraine, im not saying they were the ones that did it but imo Russia is not the one with the most to gain from blowing it up.

Must be a coincidence that this pipeline just opened, very good timing, almost too good.

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[goatwack]

Chances are we may not know for years who masterminded this sabotage.

But as the theories fly around, there's probably something to be achieved from any 'side' as it were, even if just for good old-fashioned propaganda.

Some further musings as to what Putin stands to 'gain' from possibly orchestrating the deed, if anything -

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[Kroffe]

Chances are we may not know for years who masterminded this sabotage.

But as the theories fly around, there's probably something to be achieved from any 'side' as it were, even if just for good old-fashioned propaganda.

Some further musings as to what Putin stands to 'gain' from possibly orchestrating the deed, if anything -

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Like you say it will probably take a long time before we know, if ever.
I just think its a bit suspicious that literally the whole world is saying 'It must have been Russia' when nobody knows who did it or why yet, and Russia is not the only country with a motive.
Its likely it was Russia, but not as 100% sure as all articles are making it out to be imo.

 

[Webzcas]

In any event, tomorrow could be the start of a whole new ball game as Putin will be 'welcoming' the 4 Ukrainian oblasts into the Russian Federation after the complete sham of a referendum held earlier this week.

US have confirmed that they are sending a further 18 Himars to Ukraine as I type this. So whatever happens, it is going to be Himars O'Clock pretty much 24/7 when they arrive. Pity the poor conscripts forced to join the Russian army....

 

[goatwack]

Apparently no Russians are to be pitied in any capacity as Russophobia's in vogue. That includes ordinary citizens, sports people, businesses etc

Because not taking down the government in some 'show of solidarity' labels one complicit? ?

So I wouldn't go commiserating forced conscripts that are probably under threat of execution or anything, because that will just not do!

 

[Guntis]

There was already mention about it 7 months ago ->

 

[satchnz]

Does not make sense though. As they could have used it as leverage when Europe starts feeling the winter cold. Now it is blown up, no chance of using that card.

Ahh, name something that Putler and his mob have done that does make sense…

 

[OliverCooper]

Didn't think I'd see this news here. But why be surprised, now this is the most relevant news

 

[Webzcas]

After Putin's illegal annexation, Zelensky has just further raised the stakes......