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just want peoples views on this

Discussion in 'Political Rants' started by kauphy, Apr 9, 2011.

    Apr 9, 2011
  1. kauphy

    kauphy Meister Member

    this was sent to me and i read it and would like to get other peoples views on it.

    no name calling no fights just what you as a person thinks about this.

    ----Subject: ONE EVIL HUMAN

    This is one good read!!! It is long, but be sure to read it.....

    From Steve Kroft ( 60 Minutes)

    This is very interesting material. Glen Beck has been developing material to show
    all the ties that SOROS has through the nation and the world, along with his goals.
    This article is written by Steve Kroft from 60 Minutes. It begins to piece together
    the rise of Obama and his behavior in leading the nation along with many members
    of congress ( in particular the Democrats, such as the election of Nancy Pelosi as
    the minority leader in Congress.)

    Interesting read on George Soros---- If you have wondered where Obama came from
    and just how quickly He moved from obscurity tp President, or why the Media is
    "selective" in what we are told, here is the man who most probably put him there and
    is responsible. He controls the Presidents every move. Think this is absurd? Invest a
    few minutes and continue reading this e-mail. You won't regret it.
    Who is Obama? Obama is a puppet and here is the explanation of the man or demon
    that pulls his strings. It is not by chance that Obama can manipulate the world. I don't
    think he knows how to tie his shoe laces. After reading this and Obama's reluctance
    to accept help on the oil spill, you do wonder if the spill is part of the plan to destroy
    the US? "In history, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet someone
    planned it." Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

    Who is George Soros? He brought the market down in 2 days. Here is what Steve Kroft's
    research has turned up. It's a bit of a read, and it took 4 months to put together. " The
    main obstacle to a stable and a just world order is the United States." Quote from George
    George Soros is an evil man. He's anti-god, anti-family, anti-American-and anti good.
    He help kill and rob his own Jewish people. What we have in Soros, is a multi-billionaire
    atheist, withskewed moral values, and a sociopath's lack of conscience. He considers
    himself to be an elitist world class philosopher, despisis the American way, and just
    loves to do social engineering and change cultures.

    Gyorgy Schwartz, better known to the world as George Soros, was born August 12, 1930
    in Hungary. Soros father, Tivadar, was a fervent practitioner of Esperanto language invented
    in1887, and designed to be the first global language, free of any national identity.
    The Schwart's, who were were non-practicing Jews, changed the family name to Soros,
    in order to facilitate assimilation into the Gentile population, as the Nazis spread into
    Hungry during the 1930's.
    When Hitler's henchmen Adolf Eichmann arrived in Hungary, to oversee the murder
    of that country's Jews, George Soros ended up with a man whose job was confiscating
    property from the Jewish population. Soros went with him on his rounds.
    Soros has repeatedly called 1944 " the best year of his life" 70% of Mr Soros's fellow
    Jews in Hungary, nearly a half-million human beings, were annihilated in that year, yet
    he gives no sign that this put any damper on his elation, either at the time or indeed
    in retrospect" During an interview with " Sixty Minute's" Steve Kroft, Soros was asked
    about his "Best Year"
    KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours, who swore
    that you were his adopted godson.
    SOROS: Yes, Yes
    KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from your fellow
    Jews, friends and neighbors.
    SOROS: Yes That's Right. Yes
    KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the
    psychiatric couch for many, many, years. Was it diffucult?
    SOROS: No, not at all. Not at all, I rather enjoyed it.
    KROFT: No feelings of guilt?
    SOROS: No, only feelings of absolute power.

    In his article, Muravchik describes hoe Soros has admitted to having carried some rather
    "petent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise
    they might get me in trouble." Be that as it may. After WWII, Soros attended the London
    School of Economics, where he fell under the thrall of fellow atheist and Hungarian, Karl
    Popper, one of his professors. Popper was a mentor to Soros until Popper's death in
    1994. Two of Popper's most influential teachings concerned " the open society," and

    FALLIBILISM is the philosophical doctrine that all claims of knowledge could, in princible,
    be mistaken. (then again, I could be wrong about that.) The " open society " basically
    refers to a " test and evaluate" approach to social engineering. Regarding " open society"
    Roy Childs writes, " Since the Second World War, most of the Western democracies have
    followed Popper's advice about piecemeal social engineering and democratic social
    reform, and it has gotten them into a grand mess"
    In 1956 Soros moved to New York City, where he worked on Wall Street, and he started
    amassing his fortune. He specialized in hedge funds and currency speculation. Soros is
    absolutely ruthless, amoral, and clever in his business dealings, and quickly made his fortune.
    By the 1980's he wasa well on his way to becoming the golbal powerhouse that he is today.
    In an article Kyle-Anne Shiver wrote for " The American Thinker" She saysm " Soros made
    his first billion in 1992 by shorting the British pound with leveraged billions in financial bets,
    and became known as the man who broke the Bank of England. He broke it on the backs
    of hardworking British citizens who immediately saw their homes severly devalued and their
    life savings cut drastically, almost overnight.

    In 1994 Soros crowed in " the New Republic, that the former Soviet Empire is now called the
    Soros Empire." The Russia-Gate scandal in 1999, which almost collapsed the Russian economy,
    was labeled by Rep Jim Leach, then head of the House Banking Committee, to be one of the
    greatest social robberies in human history. The " Soros Empire" indeed. In 1997 Soros almost
    destroyed the economies if Thailand and Malaysia. At the time, Malaysia's Prime Minister,
    Mahathir Mohammad, called Soros " A villan, and a moron." Thai activist Weng Torjirakarn said
    " We regard George Soros as a kind of dracula. He sucks the blood from the people.
    The website Greek National Pride reports, " Soros was part of the full court press that
    dismantled Yugoslavia and caused trouble in Georgia, Ukraine and Burma calling himself
    ahilanthropist, Soros's role is to tighten the ideological strownghold of globalization and
    the (new world order) while promoting his own financial gain. He is without conscience; a
    capitalist who functions with absolute amorality.

    France has upheld an earlier conviction against Soros, for FEONY INSIDER TRADING-
    Soros was fined 2.9 million dollars.
    Recently, his native Hungary fined Soros 2.2 million dollars for "ILLEGIAL MARKET MANIPULATION"
    The Hungarian economy has been in a state of transition as the country seeks to become
    more financially stable and westernized. Soros deliberately driving down the share price of it's
    largest bank put Hungary's economy into a wicked tailspin, one from which it is still trying to recover
    My point here is that Soros is a planetary parasite. is grasp, greed, and gluttony have a global
    But what about America?
    Soros told Australia's national newspaper " The Australian" America, as the center of the globalized
    financial markets, was sucking up the savings of the world. This is now over. The game is out.
    " He said, adding that the time has come for " a very serious adjustment" in America's consumption
    habits. He implied that he was the one with the power to bring this about.
    Soros: World financial crisis was "stimulating" and " in a way, the culmination of my life's work."
    Obama has just recently promised 10 billion of our tax dollars to Brazil, in order to give them a leg
    up in expanding their offshore oil fields. Obama's largesse towards Brazil came shortly after his
    political financial backer, George Soros, invested heavily in Brazilian oil. ( pet rob ras)
    Tait Trussel writes, "the pet rob ras loan may be a windfall for Brazil and Soros, but it is a bad
    deal for the U.S. The American Petroleum Institute estimates that oil exploration in the U.S.
    could create 160,000 new, well-paying jobs, as well as $ 1.7 trillion in revenue to federal, state
    and local governments, all while fostering greater energy security and independence.
    A blog you might want to keep an eye on is SorosWatch.com. THEIR MISSION: " This blog
    is dedicated to all who have suffered due to the ruthless financial pursuits of George Soros.
    Their stories are many and varied, but the theme is the same: the destructive power of greed
    without conscience. We pledge to tirelessly watch Soros wherever he goes and to print the
    truth in the hope that he will one day be made to stop preying upon the world's poor, and that
    justice will be served.

    Back to America. Soros has been actively working to destroy America from the inside out for
    some years now. People have been warning us. Two years ago, news sources reported that Soros
    is an extremist who wants open borders, a one world foreign policy , legalized drugs, euthanasia,
    and on and on. This is off-the-chart dangerous. In 1997 Tachel Ehrenfeld wrote, " Soros uses his
    philanthropy to change or more accurately deconstruct the moral values and attitudes of the
    western world. and particulary of the American people. His " open society " is not about freedom;
    it is about license. His vision rejects the notion of ordered liberty, in favor of a PROGRESSIVE
    ideology of rights and entitlements.

    Perhaps the most important of these " WHISTLE BLOWERS " are David Horowitz and Richard Poe.
    Their book " The Shadow Party " outlines in detail how Soros hijacked the Democratic party
    and now owns it lock , stock, and barrel. Soros has been packing the Democratic party with
    radicals, and ousting moderate Democrats for years. The Shadow Party became the Shadow
    Government, which recently became the Obama Administration.
    Discover the Networks.org (another good source) writes, " By his (SOROS) own admission, he
    helped engineer coups in Slovakia, Croatia, Georgia, and Yugoslavia. When Soros targets a
    country for " regime change " he begins by creating a shadow government, a fully formed
    government-in-exile, ready to assume power when the opportunity arises. The Shadow Party
    he has built in America greatly resembles those he has created in other countries prior to
    instigating a coup.

    November 2008 edition of the German magazine " Der Spiegel " in which Soros gives his
    opinion on what the next POTUS (President of the U.S.) should do after taking office. " I
    think we need a large stimulus package . " Soros thought around $600 billion would be about right.
    Soros also said that " I think Obama presents us a great opportunity to finally deal with global
    warming and energy dependence. The U.S. needs a cap and trade system with auctioning of
    licenses for emission rights.

    Althoug Soros doesn't (yet) own the Republican Party, like he does the Democrats, make no
    mistake, his tentacles are spread throughout the Republican Party as well.
    Soros is a partner in the Carlyle Group, where he has invested more than $ 100 million dollars
    Acording to an article by " The Baltimore Chronicle's " Alice Cherbonnier, the Carlye Group
    is run by " a veritable who's who of former Republican leaders, " from CIA man Frank Carlucci,
    to CIA head and ex-president George Bush Sr.
    In late 2006, Soros bought about 2 million shares of Halliburton, Dick Cheney's old stomping
    grounds. When the Democrats and the Republicans held their conventions in 2000, Soros
    held Shadow Party conventions in the same city, at the same time. In 2008, Soros donated
    $5,000,000,000 (thats five billion) to the Democratic National Committee, (DNC), to insure
    Obama's win and wins for many Alinsky trained Radical Rules Anti-American Scocialist.
    George Soros has been contributing a $ billion plus since Clinton came on the scene.
    Soros has dirtied both sides of the aisle, trust me. And if that weren't bad enough, he has long
    held connections with the CIA. And I mustn't forget to mention Soros's involvement with
    the MSM (Main Stream Media) the entertainment industry (e.g. he owns 2.6 million shares
    of Time Warner) and the various political advertising organizations he funnels millions to.
    In short, George Soros controls or influences most of MSM. Do you wonder why they ignore
    the TEA PARTY , Soros NEMESIS.

    As Matthew Vadum writes, " The liberal billionaire-turned-philanthropist has been buying up
    medis properties for years in order to drive home his message to the American public that
    they are too amterialistic, too wasteful, too selfish, and too stupid to decide for themselves
    how to run their own lives."
    Richard Poe writes, "Soros's private philanthropy, totaling nearly $5 billion, continues
    undermining America's ntraditional Western values. His giving has provided funding for
    abot\rtions rights, atheism, drug legalization, sex education, euthanasia, feminism, gun
    control, mass immigration,gay marriage and other radical experiments in social

    Some of the many NGOs ( Non-Government-Organizations) that Soros funds with his
    billions are: MoveOn.org, the Apollo Alliance, Media matters for America, The Tides
    Foundation, The ACLU, ACORN, PDIA (Project on Death In America), La Raza, and
    many more. For a complete list, with brief descriptions of the NGOs go to Discover The
    Poe continues, " Through Soros's global web of Open Society Institutes and Open
    Society Foundations, Soros has spent 25 years recruiting, training, indoctrinating and
    installing a network of loyal operatives in 50 countries, placing them in positions of
    influence and power in media, government, finance and academia."

    Without Soros's money , would the Saul Alinsky's Chicago machine still be rolling?
    Would SEIU, ACORN, and La Raza still be pursuing their nefarious activities?
    Would Big Money and lobbyisys still be corrupting government? Would our college
    campuses still be retirement homes for 1960s radicals?
    America stands at the brink of an abyss, and that fact is directly attributable to
    GEORGE SOROS. Soros has vigorously, cleverly, and insidiously planned the
    ruination of America and his puppet, Barack Obama is leading the way,

    The words of Patrick Henry are Apropos. " If life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to
    be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know what
    course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!!!"

    Above information researched by CBS Steve Kroft.
  2. Apr 12, 2011
  3. BBKPoker

    BBKPoker halfway to busto PABrogue3

    Edinburgh, Seattle, Vancouver BC, Auckland
    Pretty much the entire thing is out of context alarmist nonsense that is so obviously unbelievable that it has to constantly reference a credible journalist without any designation as to what in the email is research and what in the email is the author's opinion (hint: nearly all of it) to try and pretend to be more than the standard nonsense email chain letter it is
  4. Apr 12, 2011
  5. BBKPoker

    BBKPoker halfway to busto PABrogue3

    Edinburgh, Seattle, Vancouver BC, Auckland
    I mean regardless of a journalists's political opinions, there isn't a legitimate journalist in the world who would pen this paragraph:

    "George Soros is an evil man. He's anti-god, anti-family, anti-American-and anti good.
    He help kill and rob his own Jewish people. What we have in Soros, is a multi-billionaire
    atheist, withskewed moral values, and a sociopath's lack of conscience. He considers
    himself to be an elitist world class philosopher, despisis the American way, and just
    loves to do social engineering and change cultures."

    Beyond the lack of objectivity this is just an inserted opinionated rant that makes little effort to substantiate itself

    it also continually bounces between quasi reporting of "facts" and opinion pieces by political pundits. You can't source Matthew Vadum as an objective opinion on Soros lol.

    I guess Soros will forever be the militant right's tin foil hat conspiracy target though since he has raised a lot of money for the left, which as we all know makes you a communist/marxist/socialist/terrorist.

    Essentially its one big appeal to authority, where the authority in question hasn't drawn any of the conclusions that the author is asserting.

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  6. Apr 12, 2011
  7. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

    I do nothing productive
    Hell on Earth
    Wow what a piece crap story.

    Nothing but misinformation and malicious propaganda.

    I couldent find a single fact in the entire story that was not twisted.

    Whoever wrote this, is a sick person, who is filled with hate and wants nothing more than to get others to hate as much as he does...

    So kauphy did reading this misleading piece of crap make you hate George Soros?

    If you really want to find out about George Soros (without all the lies) try this
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Soros has helped a LOT of people with his money... Unlike Rupert Murdock.

    added - Steve Kroft did not write your story, the information he researched has been totally taken out of context and distorted by whoever wrote that story.
    The sick person that wrote that crap didn't even DARE to put their name on it.
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2011
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  8. Apr 12, 2011
  9. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

    I do nothing productive
    Hell on Earth
    Ahh never mind...

    Believe what you want...
  10. Apr 13, 2011
  11. slotplayer

    slotplayer Senior Member webmeister

    I started to read it the other day but - as stated by BBK and Lotso.

    Anyway what if Hillary Clinton had won the nomination?
  12. Apr 13, 2011
  13. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    The PAB Guy
    They say a picture is worth a lot of words:

    Attached Files:

  14. Apr 14, 2011
  15. kauphy

    kauphy Meister Member

    sorrie i have,nt came back to this so i did,nt know you asked me a ?

    i really don,t know how this story made me feel but now that i got the time will look some stuff up on him.

    that is why i asked for peoples views on it and thanks to everyone who posted on this:)
  16. Apr 14, 2011
  17. felicie

    felicie Dormant account

    self employed
    somewhere else
    Print Forward

    Top 10 Reasons George Soros Is Dangerous
    by Human Events

    Human Events’ readers, in an online poll, recently voted billionaire financier George Soros “the single most destructive leftist demagogue in the country.” Here are the Top 10 Reasons George Soros Is Dangerous:

    1. Gives billions to left-wing causes: Soros started the Open Society Institute in 1993 as a way to spread his wealth to progressive causes. Using Open Society as a conduit, Soros has given more than $7 billion to a who’s who of left-wing groups. This partial list of recipients of Soros’ money says it all: ACORN, Apollo Alliance, National Council of La Raza, Tides Foundation, Huffington Post, Southern Poverty Law Center, Soujourners, People for the American Way, Planned Parenthood, and the National Organization for Women.

    2. Influence on U.S. elections: Soros once said that removing President George W. Bush from office in 2004 was the "central focus of my life." He put his money where his mouth is, giving $23.58 million to various 527 groups dedicated to defeating Bush. His early financial support helped jump-start Barack Obama’s political career. Soros hosted a 2004 fund-raiser for Obama when he was running for the Illinois Senate and gave the maximum-allowed contribution within hours of Obama’s announcement that he was running for President.

    3. Wants to curtail American sovereignty: Soros would like nothing better than for America to become subservient to international bodies. He wants more power for groups such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, even while saying the U.S. role in the IMF should be “downsized.” In 1998, he wrote: “Insofar as there are collective interests that transcend state boundaries, the sovereignty of states must be subordinated to international law and international institutions.”

    4. Media Matters: Soros is a financial backer of Media Matters for America, a progressive media watchdog group that hyperventilates over any conservative view that makes it into the mainstream media. Now its founder, David Brock, has openly declared war on Fox News, telling Politico that the group was mounting “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” against the cable news channel, and would try to disrupt the commercial interests of owner Rupert Murdoch—an odd mission for a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt educational foundation that is barred from participating in partisan political activity.

    5. MoveOn.org: Soros has been a major funder of MoveOn.org, a progressive advocacy group and political action committee that raises millions for liberal candidates. This is the group that had on its website an ad comparing President George W. Bush to Adolf Hitler and ran the infamous “General Betray Us” ad in the New York Times, disparaging the integrity of Gen. David Petraeus.

    6. Center for American Progress: Headed by John Podesta, White House chief of staff under President Clinton, the Center for American Progress has been instrumental in providing progressive talking points and policy positions for the Obama administration. There has also been a revolving door between the White House and the Soros-funded think tank, with Obama staffing his administration with many CAP officials.

    7. Environmental extremism: Former Obama green jobs czar Van Jones and his leftist environmental ideas have been funded by Soros’ money at these groups: the Ella Baker Center, Green For All, the Center for American Progress, and the Apollo Alliance, which was instrumental in getting $110 billion in green initiatives included in Obama’s stimulus package. Soros also funds the Climate Policy Initiative to address global warming and gave Friends of the Earth money to “integrate a climate equity perspective in the presidential transition.”

    8. America Coming Together: Soros gave nearly $20 million to this 527 group with the express purpose of defeating President Bush. A massive get-out-the-vote effort, ACT’s door-to-door canvassing teams included numerous felons, its voter registration drives were riddled with fraud, and it handed out incendiary fliers and made misleading taped phone calls to voters. ACT was fined $775,000 by the Federal Election Commission for violations of various federal campaign finance laws.

    9. Currency manipulation: A large part of Soros' multibillion-dollar fortune has come from manipulating currencies. During the 1997 Asian financial crisis, Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad accused him of bringing down the nation’s currency through his trading activities, and in Thailand he was called an “economic war criminal.” Known as “The Man who Broke the Bank of England,” Soros initiated a British financial crisis by dumping 10 billion sterling, forcing the devaluation of the currency and gaining a billion-dollar profit.

    10. Delusions: Soros has repeatedly said that he sees himself as a messianic figure. Who but a megalomaniac would make these comments? “I admit that I have always harbored an exaggerated view of my self-importance—to put it bluntly, I fancied myself as some kind of god” or “I carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise I might end up in the loony bin.” If only the loony bin were an option. As it is, one of the wealthiest men in the world is using his billions to impose a radical agenda on America.

    HUMAN EVENTS is the news source President Reagan called his "favorite newspaper" and we still hold high the Reaganesque principles of free enterprise, limited government and, above all, a staunch, unwavering defense of American freedom.

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  18. Apr 14, 2011
  19. kauphy

    kauphy Meister Member

    thank you for your post i did some reading up on him and imho i think hes a not so nice person no matter how much money he has given to good things.

    even the devil will do good if it gets him what he wants in the end.

    and yes i did read where he has given alot of his money to these groups that you have in your post.

    but the e-mail that i posted did have alot of things lift out to fit what the writer wanted people to think and a few things were added that should not have been there not from what i read tonight.

    but in the end i stand on the side that he is not a nice person and i do not agree with what he stands for but that is my view on this e-mail.

    well do more reading and see where i end up.

    again thanks to everyone we may not agree on everything but its nice to be able to say it without getting riped apart.
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2011
  20. Apr 14, 2011
  21. greasemonkey

    greasemonkey Banned User - flaming

    Read more on the Zany bastage... he thinks he is "god" of sorts. Very dangerous person.

    Here he is bragging about his affects and plans
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
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  22. Apr 14, 2011
  23. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

    I do nothing productive
    Hell on Earth
    No one that accumulates a Billion Dollars or more is likely to be a 'nice' person. No matter what his political beliefs are. ;)

    Soros has been the target of vicious and twisted attacks from his political enemies like Rupert Murdock and Roger Ailes (the guys that own and run Fox news) for a couple of decades now.
    Murdock and Soros are personal enemies that have a long history of personal and business conflict. They are both foreign born Naturalized US citizens.

    Murdock just uses his media empire to trash Soros at every opportunity...

    I would not believe any videos put out by the left wing radicals, they seem to think it is OK to edit their videos to show people lies and not the truth... For example bretbart and their heavily edited videos that have been shown time after time to be nothing but lies... still appear on Fox.

    Fox videos... nothing but crass propaganda for the uneducated.
  24. Apr 14, 2011
  25. kauphy

    kauphy Meister Member

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  26. Apr 15, 2011
  27. felicie

    felicie Dormant account

    self employed
    somewhere else

    If you think the left-wing radicals lie so much then why hate Fox for revealing their lies? You don't make sense but you sure do arrogance well. :rolleyes:
  28. Apr 15, 2011
  29. greasemonkey

    greasemonkey Banned User - flaming


    Wasn't going to be nice so I deleted.
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  30. Apr 15, 2011
  31. swampwitch

    swampwitch ProfessionalUnderachiever

    Independent craftsperson specializing in chenille
    Iowa, dammit.
    lotso misspoke..."left wing radicals" was a typo. He meant to say "right wing radicals". I understood what he meant.
  32. Apr 15, 2011
  33. jod5413

    jod5413 Is That Better?

    having a good time doing anything
    somewhere on the planet
    Thank You, Swampwitch!!
  34. Apr 15, 2011
  35. greasemonkey

    greasemonkey Banned User - flaming


    An apparent chronic issue it seems when speaking about Taxes, politics, spending and Govt.
  36. Apr 16, 2011
  37. RedAndi

    RedAndi Winter is Coming


    Excellent avatar!
    She will be missed:(

    Jumped in just to say that, know better than to bother joining this kind of conversation :lolup:
  38. Apr 16, 2011
  39. BBKPoker

    BBKPoker halfway to busto PABrogue3

    Edinburgh, Seattle, Vancouver BC, Auckland
    Soros short sold the Sterling during the crisis, that's not "dumping" anything and its a completely standard practice in both stock trading and currency trading that is hardly unethical.

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    Soros was indeed extremely active in 2004 in donating to PACs that opposed Bush, I don't see how that makes him an evil person. Bush was in the middle of waging a war in Iraq that to this very day has no legal justification, and that's not opinion, there is literally no UN-defensible legal reason that can be stated that explains our invasion of Iraq in light of us ignoring literally all intelligence at the time (both domestic and intl, see the Downing Street Memo etc) that stated there was no WMDs.

    Soros has also dumped millions of dollars into supporting opposition movements and independent media in formerly undemocratic countries. His funding has been key in a number of countries in exposing rigged elections in incumbent parties (see: the Rose Revolution) as well as promotion of open and democratic elections in Zimbabwe. He was also responsible for helping black children to get education in apartheid South Africa, and has donated substantially to the ACLU as well as the New Israel fund which is a similar human rights organization in Israel.

    Soros and Murdock are essentially the same person, except that Soros donates his money to worthwhile political groups, charities and politicians he believes in and Murdock donates his money to trash Soros.

    You can decide who is the better person.

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