New MG slot Playboy

[Hydr0]

I wonder if the maximum combination of 5xwilds with the other high paying symbols in view, multiplied by 5, might come quite close to that maximum payout for 5 reels wild? Likewise the rolling reels I'd say it's quite likely that if you get those reels lined up in the best possible positions the final payout could start approaching that 5 reels wild because you could, for example, get many multiple-5oak-(some-with-wilds) hits at the maximum 5x multiplier all off the same spin...

I have to say the 'running wilds' feature has been massively cruel to me so far as well, the only one I have not seen even a moderately good bonus round from - the 'wild night' is really disappointing if you don't get a single wild night in the whole 25 spins too but I also saw 5 in one bonus round too, mostly 2 reels wild and all paying out between 10-100x bet ...

No reasonable comparison between max return possible between Kimi and Sophia features.
The difference in the max win possible is significantly greater in Sophia running wild feature because the multiplier is 243/5 times greater if a full screen of wilds is awarded. That's a whopping 48.6 times more!

I haven't done the exact max win calculations for Kimi for the min. stake of 0.30, but it's not necessary.
5 wilds * 5 ways = 10*5 = $50. Adding other top paying symbol combos which pay $10 or less, won't increase the multiplier factor by an amount anywhere near enough to rival the max return possible in the Sophia feature, if a full screen of wilds is achieved.

A full screen of wilds in Sophia feature = $10 * 243 ways = $2430 on the min stake of 0.30.

The same logic can be applied to the rolling reels feature.

There's little doubt, that features 2 and 4 are very high variance, whereas features 1 and 3 are on the lower end of the variance scale, in comparison.

The stacked wilds make all the difference!

 

[Hydr0]

Still working my way thru the first bonus. After about 1000 spins only got the bonus three times. This game can go thru long spells of no wins. Also since I am still news to this what does 5OAKs stand for again.

5OAKs = 5 Of A Kind's

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So how does the slot 'compensate' for the different possible pays on the bonus round then?

If we accept that only Round 2 and 4 can pay the jackpot (a full screen of wilds), what happens if a player only ever chooses Rounds 1 and 3?

Does a player who only ever chooses Round 1 get a lower T-RTP than a player who only ever chooses Round 2?

 

[Hydr0]

Play solely for the Jackpot, or mix it up?

I don't know if T-RTP varies significantly between features played, but one thing is certain - the max prize can only be won on 2 & 4.

I guess it's up to the player to decide what they want from the slot and feature set, and go from there.

Features 1 & 3 obviously have good pay potential, but the jackpot for better or worse has been allocated to 2 & 4.

An interesting game of choice....

Does one play for the nice wins, or for the Jackpot?

I would guess most players like to mix it up, and alternate between all 4 features at one time or another. That way they're still in with a chance of winning the jackpot, and at the same time, the game is arguably more entertaining.

 

[Rugger00]

5OAKs = 5 Of A Kind's

Okay that now makes sense to me.

 

[Simmo!]

Does a player who only ever chooses Round 1 get a lower T-RTP than a player who only ever chooses Round 2?

No it wouldn't affect RTP, it would just affect variance. Over 10 million spins it will probably work out about the same no matter which you choose.

The 1st and 3rd options are good if you are low on bankroll and need to build it a bit for another go. If you are low, don't go for 2 or 4 as chances are you'll get arond 10x most times. The 3rd option seems to be around 30x average and the first one is hard to judge but probably similar.

I just had 2 consecutive Wild Nights bonus features (50 spins total) with not 1 single wild reel followed by one with just 1 spin that gave me 1 reel (6x!). But earlier today, I had a 3-reel one for 300x.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

No it wouldn't affect RTP, it would just affect variance. Over 10 million spins it will probably work out about the same no matter which you choose.

But Rounds 1 and 3 simply can't pay the same as Rounds 2 and 4, it's like the 'max pay' cap at RTG which lops about 1% off the T-RTP, if you remove a whole tier of payouts from the possible results, surely T-RTP is lower unless the slot actively compensates for it somehow?

I suppose they might have given each feature an overall 'pool' of results that all adds up to the same amount, and thus it's only the variance that's different, but it's still a strange (unique?) design choice whereby two out of the four features are simply incapable of paying the slot's maximum result?

 

[Simmo!]

But Rounds 1 and 3 simply can't pay the same as Rounds 2 and 4

Yeah they can. Say you max bet and have 1,000 of each feature, you *might* get the £121,500 top pay (8100x)on Feature 2 but the average payout of the rest might only be 10x. Whereeas on Feature 1 you might never get above a payout of more than 500x but the average of the rest might be 30-40x.

That said, I've not seen the RTP of this game yet. It may be that MG have changed protocol and done an IGT, issuing a range in which case they may differ depending on the feature picked. But I highly doubt it.

 

[incrediblestuff]

Surely a lot of slots and other games are not meant to achieve true TRTP on a per player basis, afterall the Casino's aim is to make profit, preferably as much as possible.

Just like a load of players don't play perfect strategy on games like BJ, VP and whatnot, and as such will make the casino's more money, and the perfect players do too of course but they do mostly meet their TRTP

These "casual" players are also calculated into the design of slots i suppose?
If people just playing for entertainment, would just make their choices based on their personal taste of Girls, or visual/musical preference, in the case of the Playboy slot they would be close to the TRTP over a great number of spins but compared to people that want to maximize their odds, and take feature 2 & 4 only as soon as they are unlocked, they might be losing a few %.

Like Simmo said, it should not make a big difference over the long haul i.m.o.
At least that's what i would like to believe

In the end i am just guessing, as i don't have the facts, nor the knowledge of the deeper workings of these slots.

But to clarify: it would seem logical that if you constantly take 1 & 3, let's say 1000 times, and achieve that average of 30 x bet (for the sake of easy calculating) you'd have won 30.000 x bet, and if you solely
would take 2 & 4 a 1000 times, i'd assume on average you would have won just as much, due to the infrequency of the better rounds...

You know what i mean ^.^

It's late, i'm high and if unclear that's my excuse

 

[Simmo!]

That said, I've not seen the RTP of this game yet. It may be that MG have changed protocol and done an IGT, issuing a range in which case they may differ depending on the feature picked. But I highly doubt it.

For the record, just found out the default RTP is 97.8% (not a range).

 

[Hydr0]

No it wouldn't affect RTP, it would just affect variance. Over 10 million spins it will probably work out about the same no matter which you choose.

The 1st and 3rd options are good if you are low on bankroll and need to build it a bit for another go. If you are low, don't go for 2 or 4 as chances are you'll get arond 10x most times. The 3rd option seems to be around 30x average and the first one is hard to judge but probably similar.

I just had 2 consecutive Wild Nights bonus features (50 spins total) with not 1 single wild reel followed by one with just 1 spin that gave me 1 reel (6x!). But earlier today, I had a 3-reel one for 300x.

Yeah true m8, makes sense.

Personally like to go for the jackpot irrespective of my bankroll size. Like to know that I'm in with a chance of hitting the max prize for the stake each time the feature plays out - I think it makes game play more exciting. I understand that my approach can return plenty of near zero wins on a bad day given the high variance of features 2 and 4, but I'm ok with that. It could just as easily go the other way if my luck is in.

Since hitting a full screen of wilds the other night, I've hit a few x1000-3000 combos with several around x200, with $10 - $20 deposits. Seem to be averaging 6-7 features per 1hour session at the moment off these small deposits as well.

See that some of you are having dreaded long waits between features and lame returns when the feature finally shows up, so I'd say the run I'm currently having is more the exception than the rule.

Here's another win from last night ( x1433 ) with just $10 in. I hit a x2790 combo in the same short session but was a little too slow to take the screenie unfortunately.

 

[Nifty29]

For the record, just found out the default RTP is 97.8% (not a range).

Hence, the TRTP must be identical for all features.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

97.8% RTP is unusually high for an MG slot, you'd think they'd make a bit more noise about it.

In fact, even given the high variance of the slot (which could be mitigated to an extent by keeping it on 30p spins and choosing only Rounds 2 and 4), it starts to make quite a lot of bonus offers at MG casinos reasonably attractive.

Certainly a lot of casinos running IGT slots explicitly exclude the slots that pay over 97.5% RTP from their bonus offers in terms of contributing towards wagering.

Where did you get the 97.8% figure from Simmo? Is that official from MG themselves?

Redbet have listed the slot with an RTP of 96-97%, which is the same as all the other 243-liners.

 

[Balthazar]

Hence, the TRTP must be identical for all features.

It has to be.

even given the high variance of the slot (which could be mitigated to an extent by keeping it on 30p spins and choosing only Rounds 2 and 4)

Rounds 2 and 4 are the higher variance bonus rounds, I'm not sure how you see this thing.

It's not a slot that I'd play to grind a bonus WR, especially not by playing rounds 2 and 4.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Rounds 2 and 4 are the higher variance bonus rounds, I'm not sure how you see this thing.

It's not a slot that I'd play to grind a bonus WR, especially not by playing rounds 2 and 4.

Sorry I got them mixed up, I mean 1 and 3 to make WR, not 2 and 4!

It's interesting for bonus play because of the high RTP, which would hopefully start to make itself felt over the many thousands of spins it'd take to make WR on a big bonus.

If the 97.8% RTP figure is correct, that pegs it nearly 3% higher than BDBA for example, that's a big difference.

 

[Simmo!]

Where did you get the 97.8% figure from Simmo?

From Bet-at, described as the "Factory RTP".

 

[ChopleyIOM]

From Bet-at, descibed as the "Factory RTP".

Well Redbet appear to have got a different figure from somewhere!

 

[Simmo!]

Well Redbet appear to have got a different figure from somewhere!

Yeah this is quite interesting 'cos Bet-at also show Finer Reels as 97.65% when I have 96.01% logged. Hmmm. I might try and seek some clarification.

 

[tinybettor]

Not enjoying this slot one bit. Had a little luck when it first came out and hit a few small winners (100-200x bet) but variance has caught up with me and it has proceeded to eat all winnings back plus a whole lot more. Now cant hit damn thing let alone get a bonus round in one deposit at min bets with a decent bankroll.

 

[007sam]

I just went in with £50, played a little two bonus rounds and one big win? So left with £80 as it had £50 off me yesterday.....

 

[Igor82]

Yeah this is quite interesting 'cos Bet-at also show Finer Reels as 97.65% when I have 96.01% logged. Hmmm. I might try and seek some clarification.

Hey simmo, i know some games are at 96.01 - and i'm almost certain IR is at 96.01 so by same logic FROL should be 96.01 seeing as its the same game engine. We're going by a sheet supplied to us by MGS (FROL is supplied as 96-97%) and designers have loaded this so i need to look into where the decimals came in from and why.

For what its worth, from my personal knowledge i would say 243 liners are at 96.01% factory RTP.

Will confirm and revert on this ASAP - that figure looks off and now im checking some other figures and they seem off on some games. Cant confirm anything yet though.

 

[Hydr0]

Not enjoying this slot one bit. Had a little luck when it first came out and hit a few small winners (100-200x bet) but variance has caught up with me and it has proceeded to eat all winnings back plus a whole lot more. Now cant hit damn thing let alone get a bonus round in one deposit at min bets with a decent bankroll.

That sucks m8, hope ya luck turns around real soon.

 

[incrediblestuff]

That sucks m8, hope ya luck turns around real soon.

I just gave it a little go with a 30,- on min bet so at least a 100 spins, and wasn't too impressed: i do see the potential and can't wait to unlock all features, but i only managed one this session and it paid a miserly 10 x bet...
Seems you, my dear Hydro, have emptied a lot of the RTP as of late

At least in 32Red...

Also found that 2 of my not too shabby laptops can't seem to run this slot smoothly, which is kind of irritating.. but i guess it's time for a new laptop anyway.

Another thing, Hydro: i saw your last screen and it appears your slot opens like a normal one, but mine doesn't: just like Girls with Guns and Bust the Bank and a few other newer slots, it opens in a separate window, which is slightly annoying i.m.o.

Anyone else has this?
If so, is there a fix?

This happens to me in XP, W7 and Vista

 

[Tirilej]

Another thing, Hydro: i saw your last screen and it appears your slot opens like a normal one, but mine doesn't: just like Girls with Guns and Bust the Bank and a few other newer slots, it opens in a separate window, which is slightly annoying i.m.o.

Anyone else has this?
If so, is there a fix?

This happens to me in XP, W7 and Vista

I believe it's the same for everyone. I just make it show full size instead.
Gosh I miss my computer. I can't play at all right now

 

[Rugger00]

I have the same thing going with some of the newer games going to a separate window (using windows 8). Not much we can do about it since I think it is more to do with the programming then our computers.