Linus said:bpb - you know, as well as I do - if you know anything about the casino industry - that Casino On Net would never let your friendly madman cashout. They would "notice" the duplicate account, and promptly confiscate the winnings.
bpb said:Devil's Advocate here
If CON returns these funds, then anyone could do the following
1) Give a friend who likes across the country, or preferably, on the other side of the world, the necessary info to transfer $10,000 to the casino from Neteller. That friend does this from an internet cafe or other anonymous location.
2) That friend gambles like a madman to try to hit $50,000 or bust. If he hits $50,000, he withdraws, and you split the profit.
3) If you go busto, the original account holder contacts the casino after a few days and claims fraud. Any investigation into the play will reveal that it took place many thousands of miles away, and that the gambling pattern was very erratic and consistent with a nutjob hacker blowing 10 grand in an effort to screw over the original account holder.
If the casino pays out, it gives scammers a freeroll at making a large score. Casinos need to protect themselves from fraud, and the only way to do so, is unfortunately, to take a hard line stance in instances like this. It sucks when someone gets legititimately hacked and taken to the cleaners, but ultimately it is up to the individual to protect their online finances.
The argument that "The money was lost directly to the casino so they're not losing anything by giving it back" just isn't true.
they didn't get a dime out of my Neteller for it was declined due to a note posted in my account saying anything over a certain amount, do not honor.
I believe the only thing we can do is to lower your Instacash Limit so there would be a lower limit that can be withdrawn from your account.
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Joe Bella
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bpb said:Devil's Advocate here
If CON returns these funds, then anyone could do the following
1) Give a friend who likes across the country, or preferably, on the other side of the world, the necessary info to transfer $10,000 to the casino from Neteller. That friend does this from an internet cafe or other anonymous location.
2) That friend gambles like a madman to try to hit $50,000 or bust. If he hits $50,000, he withdraws, and you split the profit.
3) If you go busto, the original account holder contacts the casino after a few days and claims fraud. Any investigation into the play will reveal that it took place many thousands of miles away, and that the gambling pattern was very erratic and consistent with a nutjob hacker blowing 10 grand in an effort to screw over the original account holder.
If the casino pays out, it gives scammers a freeroll at making a large score. Casinos need to protect themselves from fraud, and the only way to do so, is unfortunately, to take a hard line stance in instances like this. It sucks when someone gets legititimately hacked and taken to the cleaners, but ultimately it is up to the individual to protect their online finances.
The argument that "The money was lost directly to the casino so they're not losing anything by giving it back" just isn't true.
bb1webs said:... just wanted to add that neteller's response made little sense to me.
to what extent does limiting my instacash amounts protect the amount that a hacker could withdraw from money already in the account?
further to worry me is now I realize even if I keep my balance at a small amount; that apparently the hacker could use the instacash option to steal money from me that I don't even have in the account.
Linus said:bpb - Casino On Net accepted the deposit, declined the withdraw, but allowed the hacker to gamble away all the money he had stolen.
The only one freerolling in this situation is the casino.
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Linus said:WagerWitch - you might consider making your disclaimer on your website a little more prominent.
You wouldn't want people to think it's safe to play at the casinos you promote, just because you promote them. Especially considering the casinos you're affiliated with.
Linus said:WagerWitch - you might consider making your disclaimer on your website a little more prominent.
You wouldn't want people to think it's safe to play at the casinos you promote, just because you promote them. Especially considering the casinos you're affiliated with.
If you (2nd-person, plural) can't stand behind your casinos - I have to ask - why are you promoting them?
Linus said:Chris, I hope the police can do something for you. Unfortunately, 888 is based in Gibraltar, not Sweden. I am glad, though, to hear that Betcris did the right thing.
Since you're in Sweden, where it's legal - you ought to consider using a credit card from now on. (If you decide to keep gambling.) The great thing about a credit card, is that you're not responsible for unauthorized charges.
If you'd used a credit card, Casino On Net would not have been in position to blow you off, the way they have.
luckymeki said:Uhm... Linus... Affiliates are out to make monies based on players sent to the casinos and based on the amount of clicks per link, and... based on amounts wagered against amounts won.
So basically affiliates are there to make money by sending customers to the casinos.
They are nothing more than billboards.
It is a very scary thing to happen especially when it is through a poker site (Paradise Poker was where I got caught with a keylogger) and Neteller which is a very tightly held site where this is where my funds were trying to be with drawn also.
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