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jod5413

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I understand about ranting a bit when you lose at a casino. It is certainly not as much fun as winning.

I understand that sometimes the slots are "hot" and sometimes the slots are "cold".

I do not understand members here coming right out and saying that certain accredited casinos at Casinomeister cheat the players.

I do not understand players having a "gut feeling" about the casinos not playing fairly. Yet, they still go to said casino, still deposit, complain about losing with comments like, I played over 500 spins on this slot and never hit the bonus round. Hello people, if the slot isn't paying, move on to another slot, it is that simple.

And, when you are up and have made wagering requirements, if you took a bonus, cash out. There have been literally hundreds of stories over the years here that attest to that failing. Greed and that little gremlin on your shoulder is saying, you can win more, win more, now I have to make up what I lost, oh, I am down to $50, might as well play it all back.

What I do not understand is that it seems like the same people, some of them haven't even been around here a year, being so obtuse as to sit in "Bryan's house" and constantly badmouth one of his casinos based on feelings. It is disrespectful, at best.

However, this is only my opinion, I have no facts to back up my beliefs. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. I never think my casinos are cheating me. They are all accredited by Casinomeister. If that doesn't mean anything to you, you have no business playing these casinos and then trash talking them.
 

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I agree mostly with the first half, but this part is iffy.

What I do not understand is that it seems like the same people, some of them haven't even been around here a year, being so obtuse as to sit in "Bryan's house" and constantly badmouth one of his casinos based on feelings. It is disrespectful, at best.

However, this is only my opinion, I have no facts to back up my beliefs. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. I never think my casinos are cheating me. They are all accredited by Casinomeister. If that doesn't mean anything to you, you have no business playing these casinos and then trash talking them.

These aren't Bryan's Casinos, he promotes them. I don't find it disrespectful to badmouth a casino Bryan promotes. People have their own ideas/thoughts/ways of expressing themselves. They aren't badmouthing Bryan personally at all. (in my eyes)

Every person that belongs to this forum isn't going to agree with Bryan's choices for which casinos are accredited.

I have been seeing more and more people having the "gut feeling" about certain casinos, even long time members.

Of course this is only my opinon as well.
 

kakata

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....and I agree with both of you...maybe Im a little confused:oops:
 

jas2587

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I understand about ranting a bit when you lose at a casino. It is certainly not as much fun as winning.

I understand that sometimes the slots are "hot" and sometimes the slots are "cold".

I do not understand members here coming right out and saying that certain accredited casinos at Casinomeister cheat the players.

I do not understand players having a "gut feeling" about the casinos not playing fairly. Yet, they still go to said casino, still deposit, complain about losing with comments like, I played over 500 spins on this slot and never hit the bonus round. Hello people, if the slot isn't paying, move on to another slot, it is that simple.

And, when you are up and have made wagering requirements, if you took a bonus, cash out. There have been literally hundreds of stories over the years here that attest to that failing. Greed and that little gremlin on your shoulder is saying, you can win more, win more, now I have to make up what I lost, oh, I am down to $50, might as well play it all back.

What I do not understand is that it seems like the same people, some of them haven't even been around here a year, being so obtuse as to sit in "Bryan's house" and constantly badmouth one of his casinos based on feelings. It is disrespectful, at best.

However, this is only my opinion, I have no facts to back up my beliefs. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. I never think my casinos are cheating me. They are all accredited by Casinomeister. If that doesn't mean anything to you, you have no business playing these casinos and then trash talking them.

I agree 100% Jod darn good post an I also agree that it is Bryans house an we will call the casino's his guest
when you bash a casino you are bashing 1 of his Guest
there are other ways of saying things like
wow I sure thought I would do better at such an such casino I didn't have any fun there this time well maybe next time I will
we can talk about a casino in a bad light without using the words cheat ripped off stole etc etc etc


CGamblersGoWildCindy:rolleyes:
 

bb28

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Just wanted to add a few thoughts of my own.

I think most of us here are skeptical and that's a good thing, :thumbsup:
In order to be taken seriously you need to have some proof or at least something substantial to give to someone who can help you with your theory. There isn't anything wrong with being skeptical or having a gut feeling, but it's how it's handled and presented as to whether people here will pay attention to it or not.

A good example of a post that addresses the issue of rigged is Chu Chu's post here. He intellegently explains why he feels the way he does and also gives some great examples. If others presented their case in the same way as Chu Chu did in that post those threads would be taken a lot more seriously.
 
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silcnlayc

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[quotebb28: ]Just wanted to add a few thoughts of my own.

I think most of us here are skeptical and that's a good thing, but to continually bash and/or bitch and moan is not something that will be taken seriously when it's repeated over and over again.
In order to be taken seriously you need to have some proof or at least something substantial to give to someone who can help you with your theory. There isn't anything wrong with being skeptical or having a gut feeling, but it's how it's handled and presented as to whether people here will pay attention to it or not.
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Very well put bb28, but I would like to add, it is not the old timers that many of us worry about. Bashing is not good, and ugly bashing is the worst...but when new players come and read all the hurrahs..and all the wonderfuls so many post on new casinos and then all of a sudden, the casino is acutually caught red handed , these are the players many of us try to protect from becoming jaded against all casinos...

Who else do the newbies have to look towards if not the older players?? And being an older player...if I send someone to a casino with all the bells and whistles only to find out they are not on the up and up, who has egg on their face and becomes unbelievable?

The casinos HAVE tightened up..and to say anything different is a real big disservice to these newcomers IMO..

All in all..I know how I was when I first joined and I believed everything I read (on the good side) and always ignored the bad until I was caught in it twice by an accredited casino...because I did not listen to those that spoke against it...only to those that were all for it and I got bit bad..

So, these new players need both sides I believe..

JMO..for what it is worth..

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bb28

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Very well put bb28, but I would like to add, it is not the old timers that many of us worry about. Bashing is not good, and ugly bashing is the worst...but when new players come and read all the hurrahs..and all the wonderfuls so many post on new casinos and then all of a sudden, the casino is acutually caught red handed , these are the players many of us try to protect from becoming jaded against all casinos...

Who else do the newbies have to look towards if not the older players?? And being an older player...if I send someone to a casino with all the bells and whistles only to find out they are not on the up and up, who has egg on their face and becomes unbelievable?

The casinos HAVE tightened up..and to say anything different is a real big disservice to these newcomers IMO..

All in all..I know how I was when I first joined and I believed everything I read (on the good side) and always ignored the bad until I was caught in it twice by an accredited casino...because I did not listen to those that spoke against it...only to those that were all for it and I got bit bad..

So, these new players need both sides I believe..

JMO..for what it is worth..

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Thanks silcnlayc. I edited my post at the same time you were writing yours I guess. Opps. :eek:

Anyway........it is good to get different viewpoints, not a thing wrong with that, it's just the manner in which it's presented as to where it's taken seriously or not. Seems everyone gets a bit jaded when the newbie glow wears off, me included.

I'd love it if one of the requirements for being accredited here is that the casino's have to make public the RTP for each casino and each game and also that they would have to be audited by someone very reputable.
 

jod5413

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I'd love it if one of the requirements for being accredited here is that the casino's have to make public the RTP for each casino and each game and also that they would have to be audited by someone very reputable.

Lovely idea BB, but I do not think a single one of them would do it. And if I was wrong, and they did post them, no one would believe they were legitimate RTP stats anyway.

I stand by my statement, if they are accredited here they should not be bashed here at CM. If you are not happy with the casino and outright think they are cheating you, what does it say about you for going back over and over again?

And just to make it clear, I am not saying people shouldn't complain and talk about losing streaks, or reps that you thought were rude, or glitches in the game program. I do think that you should not accuse them of cheating and lying, which is what a lot of people here are doing. Over and over and over again.
 

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Lovely idea BB, but I do not think a single one of them would do it. And if I was wrong, and they did post them, no one would believe they were legitimate RTP stats anyway.
WagerWorks is the only software I know of who do this, but even I agree it is hard to believe the stated RTPs when their slots are emptying your pockets... :(

KK
 

jod5413

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WagerWorks is the only software I know of who do this, but even I agree it is hard to believe the stated RTPs when their slots are emptying your pockets... :(

KK

That's what I'm telling ya, KK! Nobody will believe the RTP is honest unless they go to a casino and come out ahead every time, time after time. When they win you never hear them saying, "Wow, this casino is rigged, the RTP is way more than it should be. They're rogue, I'm telling ya, rogue, cuz I won"! :eek:

You guys know what I mean. You go to a slot and it is HOT, you can do no wrong and your winnings are going up, up, up!! What a rush, huh? Then the next time you go back and that same slot will not even give you a three 9's win. Over a hundred spins later on the same slot, the slot you are sure is going to turn around on the next spin or the next spin after that. Then, guess what? You are out of dough. And they're rogue I tell ya, ROGUE!!!!

Slots even at their best, will always favor the casino. If everyone would say this to themselves every time they decided to play, maybe they wouldn't get so cranky, ya think? :D
 

silcnlayc

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Nobody will believe the RTP is honest
Unless you see it continually declining as you do here..and the griping follows ..
jod5413: Slots even at their best, will always favor the casino. If everyone would say this to themselves every time they decided to play, maybe they wouldn't get so cranky, ya think?
I guess so...but don't you find it interesting that the RTP has been lowered on slots at some casinos and this is the reason many have gotten tired of being suckered...2005 and 2009 is one of the worst offerings from Inetbet...You see why so many have been complaining lately? Hopefully it isn't worse than this...

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jod5413

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Silcnlayc,

I really respect you and your opinion on this. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I personally think it is a stretch to think a couple percentage points would cause everyone to be losing all the time. I do think that the members here are just a tiny majority of players out there. I do not believe there is a big enough sample of player losses here at CM to call it fact.

I also would like to point out that there are probably a lot of players here that do not participate in the forum and do not talk about their wins or losses. I am basically one of the silent members about my casino playing. I win, I lose,sometimes I win pretty decent, I never sit and lose big, unless I get greedy. My fault, not the casino I am playing at.

Finally, I am confused. These stats in your post are misleading, I think. They are actual returns based on random play(i.e. historical stats). Is that the same number as the % the casino sets the payout to? I do not think it is. Hopefully, one of the much smarter members will stick their head in here and help me out. I hate math!!! :mad:

My last suggestion to all of you who think it is unfair. Quit playing, seriously. All this BS about having to deposit again just to see if it is still bad. Wanting to "protect" the new members from getting burned. Come on now, I can't picture anyone buying that line. Really. :rolleyes:

I didn't see Rob's excellent post in the thread RTG What's up -- here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rtg-whats-up-with-this.37314/
 
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bb28

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They are actual returns based on random play(i.e. historical stats). Is that the same number as the % the casino sets the payout to? I do not think it is. Hopefully, one of the much smarter members will stick their head in here and help me out. I hate math!!! :mad:

Ahhhhh.........that is what I was trying to question in my prior post about the table on Inetbet vs the RTP. :thumbsup:

Thanks!;)
 

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Silcnlayc,

I really respect you and your opinion on this. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I personally think it is a stretch to think a couple percentage points would cause everyone to be losing all the time. I do think that the members here are just a tiny majority of players out there. I do not believe there is a big enough sample of player losses here at CM to call it fact.

I also would like to point out that there are probably a lot of players here that do not participate in the forum and do not talk about their wins or losses. I am basically one of the silent members about my casino playing. I win, I lose,sometimes I win pretty decent, I never sit and lose big, unless I get greedy. My fault, not the casino I am playing at.

Finally, I am confused. These stats in your post are misleading, I think. They are actual returns based on random play(i.e. historical stats). Is that the same number as the % the casino sets the payout to? I do not think it is. Hopefully, one of the much smarter members will stick their head in here and help me out. I hate math!!! :mad:

My last suggestion to all of you who think it is unfair. Quit playing, seriously. All this BS about having to deposit again just to see if it is still bad. Wanting to "protect" the new members from getting burned. Come on now, I can't picture anyone buying that line. Really. :rolleyes:

I didn't see Rob's excellent post in the thread RTG What's up -- here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rtg-whats-up-with-this.37314/


All I see is that from a certain group, you included is an attitude towards some of us members you have decided not to like. Obviously I am on your shit list and no matter what I may have to say or how I present it, you will always be critical.
As for me testing RTG again, as I stated, if I am going to discuss what I see as change, how can I, if I never give them a periodic test. The fact that I posted a thread about my testing to see how the play was for me and posted a screenshot of an irregularity that I had never seen, this warrants attitude from you? Why. If you don't like me or what I post, then why jump in, or start another thread, to see how many members are on your side because of what I and others have posted? It is attitudes like this that cause division and make members choose sides among all of us and I see no point to it at all. Or do you enjoy trying to make others look like fools and you look like a shinning beacon of bully light and enjoy derailing a thread that I had tried very hard to not piss any of you off, which obviously is impossible.
I appreciated RobWins input as it was mature and fairly concise, stating that changes like that could cause a change in the RTP up or down. This was a mature contribution to the thread.

You want to tell me to quit playing if this or if that, well I will if you will quit knit picking those of us that rub you the wrong way, everytime we have anything to say.

Or maybe I should just run everything by you first before posting to get your approval?! Would that be satisfactory to you????
 

jod5413

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Mavin,

I am not a member of any group and you are not on any shit list. I don't even know you.

All I am stating is my opinion, last I looked that was allowed.

Last I heard, you are allowed to state your opinion.

I see, I started this thread to make people take sides? Sounds like a paranoid idea and you seem to be stating I should not have an opinion, just you? Surely that is not what you are saying?

I did not derail "your thread" and I have no desire to paint you or anyone else as stupid. Mavin, I'll be honest, I read lots of posts and see things and often comment on them without knowing who posted.

And last, this time I WILL quote you:

"you look like a shinning beacon of bully light" Yep, that's me, a shinning example. :thumbsup:
 
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