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RTG-What's up with this?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Mavin1, Apr 12, 2010.

    Apr 12, 2010
  1. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    Okay, being a person that likes to rant about RTG, I know I have no good grounds if I never play. So thought I would give it a dabble today and was surprised by this.
    I have played this game over the years extensively and never saw this before.

    I had to take a picture of the monitor as I couldn't get the right size through paint again.
     
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  2. Apr 12, 2010
  3. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt CAG MM

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    were is it
    :confused: ok isee it now slow loader lol it must be the mending tape at the ends of the rees lol
     
  4. Apr 12, 2010
  5. just play

    just play closed account

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    What are we looking at? I never played that game before I don't think, what went wrong/right?


    Is it the 2 blue helmets on the second line?
     
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  6. Apr 12, 2010
  7. marcsudbury

    marcsudbury Experienced Member

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    you know what? that's funny, last night when i was playing fruit frenzy at win palce i saw 2 pears on the same reel and thought the same thing, i have never seen this before.
     
  8. Apr 12, 2010
  9. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    Yes, it's the two blue helmets on the same reel. Just as the two pears, this should not be.

    Should it??????
     
  10. Apr 12, 2010
  11. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

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    Sure it can be...that would just simply be one way that the RTP could be adjusted...
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  12. Apr 12, 2010
  13. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    Not sure what you are meaning RobWin, could you elaborate, please?

    This is on the RS slot Golden Glove.
     
  14. Apr 12, 2010
  15. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

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    By changing the reel strip layouts on the game or games, it will also alter the RTP (Return To Player), depending on how it is changed it could alter in your favor or against your favor.

    You will not always see the double symbols stacked like that at all RTG Casinos and also not on all of the slots either.

    Play some of the other RTG Casinos just in fun mode and you will see what I am saying as you will not notice that on all of them.

    What casino was this on? From your picture above.
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  16. Apr 12, 2010
  17. kakata

    kakata Banned User - hyper flamming PABnonaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    I think was Inetbet....wasnt it?:confused:
     
  18. Apr 12, 2010
  19. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    I am playing at Inetbet, this is where the screenshot is from today. I have been playing several other games and have not seen this duplication on them, yet.
    However as in the other thread that is currently running, the play so far has been extremely poor.
     
  20. Apr 12, 2010
  21. marcsudbury

    marcsudbury Experienced Member

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    mine was at win palce and i have taken thousand upon thousdands of spins and never seen this before in the 10 years i've been playing.
     
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  22. Apr 12, 2010
  23. Vegasbum

    Vegasbum Senior Member

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    Mavin
    I just don't understand you. After all the negitive you had to say, you then go ahead and make another deposit at an RTG casino.

    Here is just a couple of your quotes about RTG platforms:

    But for the die hard that still believe that RTG is the greatest thing that's come along, might as well just start sending them your paychecks in a gift box with a bow.

    and you also said:
    How dumb can we be, or how dumb do they take us for.
    So log on to your banking, open a savings account just for when you want to play, then everytime you are thinking of dropping some money into an RTG casino, put it in the savings account instead. I'm sure that in no time you will see you have created your own Random Jackpot and didn't have to compete with anyone for it, nor watch it go to someone else


    Mavin, I am not picking on you but just pointing out the obvious and that is, no matter how much people bitch about RTG....they still come back and send them more money. You are not alone as most who bitch are the regular depositors.
    I myself play RTG but I don't complain. I except the risk and do it my own way when gambling. It just frustrates me that those who say RTG is rigged...fixed...or whatever are the ones who keep depositing :confused:
     
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  24. Apr 12, 2010
  25. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    It is my perogative to see if things are still as bad as they were the last time I played. And finding an adjustment to the reel layouts, only solidifies the fact that things are being changed that are affecting peoples return.

    So I would appreciate this thread not being turned into a Mavin thing, I am only posting this to help get to the bottom of what has been a very long time problem with RTG.

    I could have easily not posted it nor said anything if I were still constantly playing RTG. Which I am not and this is the first time in months that I have.

    Changes to the reel layout is in my opinion a serious issue, not my rants.
     
  26. Apr 12, 2010
  27. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    This has been confirmed as the way RTG casinos flip the slots between the 2 or 3 RTP settings available. The two pears was a silly mistake made when the game was designed. It was a mistake only because it made it OBVIOUS TO PLAYERS that a change had been made to the RTP. The second reel on Golden Glove also seems to have been changed in a similar way, and although the duplicated symbols are not adjacent, they are separated only by one symbol, meaning there is still ONE stop on the second reel when it is again OBVIOUS TO PLAYERS that the slot is now running on an atypical RTP setting other than the default 95% one that comes as standard when RTG casinos are implemented.

    The reason that players have "never seen this in x years of playing" is that until recently, these RTP settings were NOT IN USE because operators stuck with the standard 95% RTP setting that players expected.

    The lower setting is 91%, and the higher one is 97.5%. 91% is supposedly ONLY used for land based kiosk versions of the game, so we are supposed to believe one of 3 things.

    1) The slots have been moved UP to 97.5% from 95%
    2) The slots USED to be 97.5%, but have recently been moved down to 95%
    3) We have been lied to, and the 91% setting is NOT only being used for kiosks, but online too.
     
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  28. Apr 12, 2010
  29. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    This is the very nature of gamblers. Addiction. If only it were so easy to find a replacement for gambling. I have lost count of the number of times I told myself I wont spend another dime on it only to renege on it days or even hours later. Ranting, to a certain extent, leads to less frustration.

    Normally, I only complain about the table games especially paigow poker at RTG but there seem to be a host of complainants on the RTP with regard to the slots and I am proud to be among them.:D

    There are many ways that the RTP can be lowered and adding a low-paying symbol to the first or second reels is definitely one of them. So Fruit Frenzy and Golden Glove have been sort of tampered with in this respect. Could this have happened to other slots? Definitely. However, this is only one of a multitude of methods to decrease the RTP.

    A lot of my RTG slots play is at Diamond Dozen and I can confidently tell you that the RTP has been lowered in the past few months.

    1/ I have encountered many sessions where there were no features in 300 spins. Okay, that happens so we move on.

    2/ The blue diamonds act as scatters but can only be activated if they count from left to right. 3 Blue Diamonds activate the 12 free spins whereas 2 of them pay 2x your total bet. I have no problems with the former but there is a distinct lack of 2 scatters. Given that there are 2 blue diamonds in each of the first 2 reels, it seems funny that they only appear together very rarely. The lack of these scatter wins decrease the RTP to some extent especially in the long run.

    3/ The white diamonds feature pays you x times your bet amount and the feature is activated when 3 or more white diamonds appear anywhere on the screen. X is determined through the multiplication of the number generated in each of the white diamonds eg if the white diamonds show 2,3, and 4 the feature pays 24 times the original bet (2x3x4). Naturally, the 2s and 3s occur most frequently whereas 9 and 10 and even 1 are rare. However, in the past few months, over more than 10K spins, there were hardly any features with the higher paying numbers. In my last session alone, $50 was wiped out at $0.20 spins because the features that I got (around 20) never paid much. The 60+ white diamonds all had a value of 2 or 3. Nothing else.

    I am sure many of us have encountered something different at other slots. Since people want details, why not post them here. I applaud Mavin for posting it here and hope others will follow. I am not on a crusade against RTG but dont want them to think we are all stupid. Revelations on how they have reduced the RTP at individual slots is a start.
     
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  30. Apr 12, 2010
  31. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    I agree totally with this statement Mavin has made. I. too, play a very few dollars a month anymore just to see if anything has returned to the normal I used to know.
    Why is this so wrong even if we feel things have "changed" and continue to give our impression of things as we test it out every once in a while

    I know for a fact, reading this board (forum) has stopped me from doing some really dumb things because there have been many that stated the same issues...that saved me headaches and heartaches..

    If I was a new player...I would heed others that used to be a regular depositor that stopped depositing all together except for crumbs...

    This is what this place is for..to state the obvious to others that one feels...regardless of proof...and to save them the grief we are learning that has been going on for the last few years..

    Look at the fact that more casinos are now getting their finger caught in the cookie jar when so many players that believe casinos are actually legit and "claimed" they were wonderful, great etc etc, above board and what have you, then BANG...You find they actually were cheaters...where are the players that backed these casinos now??

    So yes, I agree totally with testing these places with the minimum number of deposits with the minimum amount in real play until I find they have returned to the norm which will be MY norm..because I know in my heart and gut they HAVE changed for the worse whether you believe it or not...and I will continue to help players be safe and avoid money suckers from getting a hold of them and bleed them dry..this is not only RTG's, but many other platforms now...

    Just because we beleive they have gone bad does not mean we have to stop testing them...as we see fit. It IS our money...after all.

    .
     
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  32. Apr 12, 2010
  33. felicie

    felicie Ueber Meister PABnononaccred

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    Sorry but I've got to say this. Maybe next time when a few of us start 'feeling' the difference that is going on, maybe some will not scoff and instead pay a little more attention because by the time proof gets here I would be totally out of money if I was still playing RTGs. :rolleyes:
     
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  34. Apr 12, 2010
  35. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    Im now convinced that those settings are not the only ones available and will remain a secret. There is no other explanation for the way these games are playing for us lately. I have uninstalled all RTG casinos. I will pay attention and see what others report and if they start paying a respectable return again I may try it, but for now, all are done, as far as I am concerned. I know in my heart of hearts I gave adequate play to reach this conclusion.
     
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  36. Apr 12, 2010
  37. DogBoy001

    DogBoy001 Senior Member webmeister

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    Heyas,

    Dropped in by special request to comment on this thread.

    "I have played this game over the years extensively and never saw this before" Mavin1?
    On average you'd see this every 40 spins or so, so something's smells off with that statement, as I'd point out that 2 Helmets on reel 2 has been around since the game was first brought out, and on all RTP variants of the game this is the same.

    Now before various parties charge me with misinformation, some easy proof from another review site:
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Review date listed 26 May, 2006
    As luck would have it, note the still shot of the video.

    And having fulfilled this request, once again adieu.

    Woooof
     
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  38. Apr 12, 2010
  39. Lucky Loser

    Lucky Loser Senior Member

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    Clearly the US economy is in trouble and so too are RTG casinos. When people have to reduce spending luxuries like gambling generally get cut first.

    I think its likely RTG casinos are experiencing a big drop in revenue and have to cut costs to keep profits intact. Inetbet reducing its free game try out chips from $5 to $3 is a good example of this.

    The easiset way to cut spending is to reduce the RTP to players. Whether the casino is allowed to unilaterally change the RTP will depend on the commercial agreement with RTG and software in place. I would be very surprised if they cannot.

    It will be interesting to see what Inetbet's slot return for 2010 is. In 2009 it was only 94.33%. The high was in 2001 when it was 99.21%.
     
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