My online slots videos (plus UK AWPs)

[lotusch]

Great session there Chops...And some really nice hits!!!
Part 4 can't come soon enough.

 

[AC7X]

Yes yes yes here you go you nagging old fishwife!

What a run!

Sure you're not on the 3Dice payroll mate?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yes it was a pretty sweet run, but as I (think) I say in the video, the kind of run that you'd see once in a while in years gone by.

Part 4 should be online this evening.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

And here's Part 4. Ended up being a fair few hours of slotting!

DONUTS NOTES - Regarding my comments about Donuts in this video. BTG state very clearly that all issues reported on the slot are exclusively graphical in nature and payouts have never been affected. They also state that all issues were quickly corrected and that the slot is now functioning entirely as intended.

 

[dunover]

And here's Part 4. Ended up being a fair few hours of slotting!

DONUTS NOTES - Regarding my comments about Donuts in this video. BTG state very clearly that all issues reported on the slot are exclusively graphical in nature and payouts have never been affected. They also state that all issues were quickly corrected and that the slot is now functioning entirely as intended.

Nothing to with stakes Choppers - it's more to do with players using bonus money, getting near the trigger and then leaving it only to return at a later date with cash-only deposits to reap the feature returns. Hence why Tomb Raider 2 and coin-drop games like White Rabbit are always prohibited under bonus wagering.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Nothing to with stakes Choppers - it's more to do with players using bonus money, getting near the trigger and then leaving it only to return at a later date with cash-only deposits to reap the feature returns. Hence why Tomb Raider 2 and coin-drop games like White Rabbit are always prohibited under bonus wagering.

Ahhh right that makes sense, thinking back maybe 3Dice restricted Ching Ching on the stake change from very early on but the bonus rule change came later?

It wasn't a big problem but I did like myself a bit of Ching Ching back in the day, that forced 50%/200% wager at the end of the round was something interesting and unique.

 

[lotusch]

Actually I never tried 3dice but your videos have made me decided to make an account and give them a whirl.
No spectacular slots but it seems they give a lot of playtime, especially the lower variance slots.
Always wanted to try that Ice Queen slot anyway, never got to play it yet. However I realize that is one of the harder slots to score on due to the volatility of it.

Might better start with something less volatile..Got a good idea of the slots watching your videos.

 

[Sonict]

I have been really lucky in getting 100 freespins at 10x multiplier in the tournys on Arctic Adventure recently. I have hit it like a few times when I played there over a month ago. I have hit it once on real money play over a year ago for a total of $334+ on a 40 cent bet. The slots are fun, but when they are dead... It is tough!

 

[lotusch]

Oh dear, I have 2 daughters (twins) but they are only 7.
If I listen to your daughter I can only assume what two of 'em would sound like.

And congratz on the WD..Great result with only patience and low rolling.

 

[lotusch]

Made my first deposit and I am NOT a bonus player at all but to enhance my game time (I hope), I took the 110%.
Only deposited 25 quid so I got €52.50 to play with.

Will start on those minimum bets and see how it goes.

 

[lotusch]

Not gonna ruin your topic but after already a couple of 3 scatter triggers I got 4 scatters shy 150 spins in and already my first 100x stake + win..
Also balance did not even go down in those 150 spins. ^^

On Donuts I was most likely already gone and busted. LoL

 

[jasonuk]

I am playing Donuts on €0.20 stakes at Slotsmillion and I am about 1500 spins in and have yet to trigger a feature. If I would have played my usual €1.00-€3.00 bets this slot would have taken several hundreds if not thousands from me already.

Absolutely agree, mismatching stakes to balance is one of the biggest issues with modern slots - with so many providers to pick from, it doesn't take much to find one that pushes most of the RTP into obscure bonus rounds or jackpot features, and before you know it a streak of dead spins ends your session!

As an exercise for the reader, I was curious and trying to "peg" variance to stakes across some slots and casino games, I (as a guesstimate) came up with:
* €0.10 on Donuts
* €0.30 on Immortal Romance
* €0.75 on Twin Spin
* €2.00 on Starburst
* €4.00 for a single number in Roulette
* €50.00 for table game "even chances" (for simplicity - I appreciate that Blackjack, Baccarat and Roulette 50/50 also have differing variances, I imagine that would be a thread on its own!)

On the same topic - I'd spotted "Berryburst Max - Bigger Hits" doing the rounds this week, but was curious as I'd never heard of the original... It's actually a double release under the new "MAX - Bigger Hits" branding, same game design but with two different pay tables.

If you want an idea of how silly things are getting on this front, check Outdated URL (Invalid) out...

Henrik Fagerlund, Chief Product Officer of NetEnt, says: “It is important for us to diversify the volatility in our games as we know that our partners are demanding more flexible games catering to different player needs, and we are a supplier that listens to our customers and deliver quality.

I was also thinking back to the discussion years ago about Avalon 2 and the 1 in 2,555,120,700 chance of getting a full screen of wilds for 16,200 times stake. Absolute monster in the pay table, and yet only consumes 0.00063% RTP because it is so incredibly rare. As Mr Chopley once said...

I shall deposit immediately then, and I won't stop until I've hit five full reels wild!

One advantage I would hope with the HTML5 slots is that it'll be easier for the curious to pull reel strips and other information out of the game - assuming they are standard reels of course!

That is something that has been lost and I miss from the early days of people capturing. These days every video is compromised in the sense that the person playing wants you to sign up to that casino. The cringey thumbnails with the mouth open and eyeballs popping, the click-bait titles. It almost feels like a spam email in the medium of video.

I would be curious how many of the YouTube or Twitch channels make viewers aware of all of the following:
* Whether they have commercial relationships with the operators, e.g. being advertised in NetEnt or Big Time Gaming marketing material
* How the channel is funded, e.g. sponsorships, affiliate links
* For the current session - how much was deposited, did they take a bonus, what are the terms of that bonus, and is that bonus available to anyone, someone (e.g. VIP members) or no-one
* For the past period of time, such as 6 or 12 months, what their lifetime profit or loss is.

I don't expect them to be mentioning it every five minutes, but I suspect too many of them aren't showing their full hand either. I appreciate those that have been transparent about this stuff... it is pretty eye-opening to hear about streamers that have lost £100k to the slots, only to make that back two-fold from affiliate links!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Not gonna ruin your topic but after already a couple of 3 scatter triggers I got 4 scatters shy 150 spins in and already my first 100x stake + win..
Also balance did not even go down in those 150 spins. ^^

The thing with Fortune Falls is that whilst it plays almost like Starburst in how its variance feels, it can and will drop 400x-1600x into your lap once in a while. (Which of course is completely impossible on Starburst, which has a 500x stake theoretical max pay, but in reality appears to have never paid more than 300x stake.)

Even the tamest 3Dice slots (and Fortune Falls is one of the tamest) have decent wins on the paytable.

If you watched all of the Part 4 video you'll have seen a classic example of 3Dice suction (where Enchanted Spins took apart £230 of my bankroll on 40p spins with scarcely a whiff of a decent pay), so you do really need to be aware of how their medium-higher variance slots can behave on a bad run - but slots like Fortune Falls, Wild Waves and Payola are a pretty safe bet for good playtime whilst still maintaining a decent chance of hitting a solid win. (Payola has a really cool sound-to-light graphical style going on as well.)

<<< LONG POST BY jasonuk >>>

Great post there Jason with many good points. TBH I have little to zero time for affiliated channels, (or indeed any slotting/gambling channel where the creator has any financial 'skin in the game' whatsoever, be it big bonuses or sponsorship or anything else), it's a 'crossing of the streams' that just doesn't sit very well with me.

As for the variance debate, I think a wide spread of variance (to a point!) in slots is a good thing, so players can choose their experience based on their preference, the mood they're in, the bankroll they've got on any particular day - and so on.

Where the wheels come off the wagon for me is nutcase feature frequency such as Bonanza (1/460), and vague talk of UNLIMITED MULTIPLIERS and UNLIMITED WIN POTENTIAL which IMO is pure horseshit and a very disingenuous way of describing a slot. (I'd love to see the feature pay distribution for Bonanza up at the very high end, and see what it manages under simulated conditions.)

To give you an idea, 3Dice have an 'achievements' system whereby you get real money NDBs if certain things happen on their slots in any given month. One of these is called 'Patience' and is awarded if any of their video slots go more than 500 spins without triggering a feature. I got this during the Part 4 video above, as Enchanted Spins went 887 spins without a feature - and for that I got a £10 NDB with 1xWR. (The cash value of these achievements increases with VIP loyalty level, and I'm down at Bronze 5 star at the moment.)

Bonanza does that many spins without a feature on a regular basis because, of course it does, since its average trigger frequency is 1/460. It's absolutely crackers IMO and I have no idea why players put up with it. (The financial success of that slot is utterly mystifying to me.)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just a final note on the 3Dice session, i.e. Did I get paid and how long did it take. (Winning at the casino is all very well and good, but it's not really a win until the cash is in your hands).

I made the withdrawal at 12pm yesterday and 3Dice paid at 5am this morning, so that's a 17 hour paytime for a withdrawal of nearly £1000. Note that this was my first logon and deposit there for over four years, and I was playing on a bonus with a deposit of just £100 - the sort of scenario that might invoke some sort of 'send us your docs' response from some casinos....

However, no fuss, no faff - and I've got my cash.

 

[lotusch]

If you watched all of the Part 4 video you'll have seen a classic example of 3Dice suction (where Enchanted Spins took apart £230 of my bankroll on 40p spins with scarcely a whiff of a decent pay), so you do really need to be aware of how their medium-higher variance slots can behave on a bad run - but slots like Fortune Falls, Wild Waves and Payola are a pretty safe bet for good playtime whilst still maintaining a decent chance of hitting a solid win. (Payola has a really cool sound-to-light graphical style going on as well.)

Yes I found Enchanted Spins the hardest slot so far. It was pretty hard to trigger the 3 dragons and when I did, no big wins came out of the pick me feature yet.
Had 2 wizzards a few times on reel 2,3 but not on 2,4 yet to give me the full 3 reels wild.

I was completely unfamiliar with 3Dice slots but I am impressed by the simplicity of their slots and I am glad I have signed up.
Already played a good 2,5 hours yesterday with only a 25 Euro deposit and that €27.50 bonus attached to it.
My balance when I signed off last night was still €106.35 and will continue tonight.
Left to wager €985.36 so I managed already to complete 1/3th of WR.

Funky Fives gave me a few very nice hits on the sticky wilds, had all 3 reels filled but that was only for 1 spin though.
And no 5 bars yet, had a couple of 4OAK's.

And yes I did see that big dip in your balance on enchanted reels but I also saw it then recovered a decent bit.

If I would make it through the WR I will honor any WD coming from it as the Chopley Special.

 

[dunover]

Absolutely agree, mismatching stakes to balance is one of the biggest issues with modern slots - with so many providers to pick from, it doesn't take much to find one that pushes most of the RTP into obscure bonus rounds or jackpot features, and before you know it a streak of dead spins ends your session!

As an exercise for the reader, I was curious and trying to "peg" variance to stakes across some slots and casino games, I (as a guesstimate) came up with:
* €0.10 on Donuts
* €0.30 on Immortal Romance
* €0.75 on Twin Spin
* €2.00 on Starburst
* €4.00 for a single number in Roulette
* €50.00 for table game "even chances" (for simplicity - I appreciate that Blackjack, Baccarat and Roulette 50/50 also have differing variances, I imagine that would be a thread on its own!)

On the same topic - I'd spotted "Berryburst Max - Bigger Hits" doing the rounds this week, but was curious as I'd never heard of the original... It's actually a double release under the new "MAX - Bigger Hits" branding, same game design but with two different pay tables.

If you want an idea of how silly things are getting on this front, check Outdated URL (Invalid) out...


I was also thinking back to the discussion years ago about Avalon 2 and the 1 in 2,555,120,700 chance of getting a full screen of wilds for 16,200 times stake. Absolute monster in the pay table, and yet only consumes 0.00063% RTP because it is so incredibly rare. As Mr Chopley once said...




One advantage I would hope with the HTML5 slots is that it'll be easier for the curious to pull reel strips and other information out of the game - assuming they are standard reels of course!



I would be curious how many of the YouTube or Twitch channels make viewers aware of all of the following:
* Whether they have commercial relationships with the operators, e.g. being advertised in NetEnt or Big Time Gaming marketing material
* How the channel is funded, e.g. sponsorships, affiliate links
* For the current session - how much was deposited, did they take a bonus, what are the terms of that bonus, and is that bonus available to anyone, someone (e.g. VIP members) or no-one
* For the past period of time, such as 6 or 12 months, what their lifetime profit or loss is.

I don't expect them to be mentioning it every five minutes, but I suspect too many of them aren't showing their full hand either. I appreciate those that have been transparent about this stuff... it is pretty eye-opening to hear about streamers that have lost £100k to the slots, only to make that back two-fold from affiliate links!

The RTP effect of giant potential wins is very tiny which I did actually point out to Chopley in another post; as you state due to their insane infrequency they use an almost infinitesimally small portion of long-term RTP for the player.

IIRC we looked at the reel maps of MG's Cashapillar once and it was around 1/4.17bn to get a full screen of wilds for 2000x. When we factored in the chance of getting it in FS of which on average you'd be playing (with retriggers included) 16 in every 310 spins it fell to 1/80bn to land it in a bonus on 3x multiplier for 6000x.

As for YT I can honestly say 'yes' to all the above.
I stated repeatedly that I was not and never had been paid for new slot reviews by any developer; any paid work (rare) would have been carried out privately in pre-release development. The public video was never paid and all major developers had their games reviewed routinely as they appeared.

The channel was openly funded by affiliate income, again no secret there and I even started a debate by publishing a video explaining what kind of deal we had and how the income stream worked. This was controversial but to be fair on them people like Rocknrolla and The Bandit did chip in and the latter even made his own video backing up my explanations.

I would always mention the deposit and if I had had 'dead play' deposits previous to filming which made no video material I would state how much this combined amount was since the last withdrawal. I'd back this up with view of the account history to show the amounts in and out. I had to do this especially when having the mad winning run on Bonanza back in May/June because viewers couldn't believe it so I did a detailed view of the withdrawals and even the game log history to demonstrate the big wins.

If I was using a bonus I would always inform the viewer (this was quite rare as not a big bonus taker personally) and flash in the remaining wagering as I made the video. Most bonus videos would be when openly promoting a new casino and taking the SUB.

In one of my last videos I did also show my 2017-18 balance which was an overall loss of 24.1k. I do my accounts April-April in line with the tax year and recently showed my Casumo deposit-against-withdrawals stats so far this 2018-19 year which were just over 200 up.

If you had a YT channel Jason you'd realize that despite being able to check your boxes above so-to-speak this was and never would be good enough for haters and trolls. The fact I gamble in public is enough excuse for them and even more inflammatory is the fact I openly earn money from the industry - whether I do this in a compliant manner or not is irrelevant to most of them, they will still get their torches and pitchforks out.

 

[incrediblestuff]

Just a final note on the 3Dice session, i.e. Did I get paid and how long did it take. (Winning at the casino is all very well and good, but it's not really a win until the cash is in your hands).

I made the withdrawal at 12pm yesterday and 3Dice paid at 5am this morning, so that's a 17 hour paytime for a withdrawal of nearly £1000. Note that this was my first logon and deposit there for over four years, and I was playing on a bonus with a deposit of just £100 - the sort of scenario that might invoke some sort of 'send us your docs' response from some casinos....

However, no fuss, no faff - and I've got my cash.

Just skimming through here..but i'm sure you're now glad i encouraged you to go take a looksie, right?
Awesome 'return' and very happy you had a nice run mate!

3Dice totally rocks..their WD's will always be around that time-frame though, depending on time of cash-out, as they only process during the day (06:00 in the morning 'til about 18:00 as far as i know) for EU players. But don't quote me on that - all i know is i never have to wait longer then 24 hours, and mostly it's quite instant, as i usually play in the wee hours, and then cash-out before i go to sleep

Apart from their awesome and unique slots, the VP is also quite good -if you're in to that...And the Loyalty bonuses, low WR's (10x on average for loyalty related rewards) chat and 24/7 free tournaments will ensure you have a bang for your buck - always. And don't forget the achievements you showed in your screenie a few posts back! The rewarsds of those also increase if you rise in VIP level

Knock me P.M. if your there playing!

Actually I never tried 3dice but your videos have made me decided to make an account and give them a whirl.
No spectacular slots but it seems they give a lot of playtime, especially the lower variance slots.
Always wanted to try that Ice Queen slot anyway, never got to play it yet. However I realize that is one of the harder slots to score on due to the volatility of it.

Might better start with something less volatile..Got a good idea of the slots watching your videos.

Hey mate! good to see you're having fun, but beware! There's no such thing as a Low Variance Slot in 3Dice, no matter what Chopley might have said in the vid's
Med to med high at best! And you'll find out soon enough - i recommend to indeed stick to sensible, low stakes, and wait till the first 500 or 1000x + hits you

My recipe for most sessions is deposit small, either with or without bonus, then start to try and boost my bankroll on the Slots Squirrel Pike, and Funky Five..
Simply because they can be played for 09 cents and 05 cents respectively, and can easily boost your bankroll with a decent 50 bux hit on that stake..then it's time for the Ice Queen or another beast

Same for you, if your playing come say hi in chat!

 

[jasonuk]

As for the variance debate, I think a wide spread of variance (to a point!) in slots is a good thing, so players can choose their experience based on their preference, the mood they're in, the bankroll they've got on any particular day - and so on.

Absolutely - although players have little to no chance of finding information on variance profiles for sixteen million* different slots (* estimated) given how convoluted it is to find accurate RTP information for each slot - and that is a UKGC regulatory requirement!

The RTP effect of giant potential wins is very tiny which I did actually point out to Chopley in another post; as you state due to their insane infrequency they use an almost infinitesimally small portion of long-term RTP for the player.

When we are talking about Microgaming (as with Immortal Romance, Avalon II and Cashapillar), I'd agree because they are designed to be rare hits... have we seen a full screen of wilds in Avalon II yet?

When we consider some of the other operators - and my first thought would be Red Tiger - I suspect the picture is very different. The sheer volume of dead spins and micro-wins, combined with multiple five-of-a-kind line pays of less than stake, suggest the RTP is being pushed up the pay table.

Speaking of Red Tiger - I know Chopley mentioned BTG's Donuts, I've seen "skipping" reels on a number of Red Tiger slots, I've also seen a game malfunction in Laser Fruits where the game history clearly shows a win of 4 ways of 4 single bars, but the game paid zero. I followed this up with live support who claimed it wasn't a malfunction and had paid correctly!?! That'll be £1.60 I won't be getting back...

As for YT I can honestly say 'yes' to all the above.

I would think many people would skip over those "dry" videos, but I feel they are important as to show both sides of the coin and I applaud the three of you for doing them.

I wonder how many people would know that a self-styled "streaming community" is 51% owned by LeoVegas (paid £2.7m in December 2017) while watching one of their hundreds of "Biggest Wins" videos (you would have to go back more than 150 videos - into the year 2016 - to find one that didn't have the words "Biggest" "Wins" in the title).

Or similarly, a "casino family" who are streaming in shifts 10 to 14 hours a day, frequently with an exclusive bonus, and some of them are barely risking their own money in the deposit due to staking agreements with other members of the team! To be fair, it would be difficult to find anything useful amongst the forty casinos they are currently promoting!

If you had a YT channel Jason you'd realize that despite being able to check your boxes above so-to-speak this was and never would be good enough for haters and trolls.

So true... I was talking from a rational viewer perspective, nothing will ever be good enough for the haters!

 

[dunover]

Absolutely - although players have little to no chance of finding information on variance profiles for sixteen million* different slots (* estimated) given how convoluted it is to find accurate RTP information for each slot - and that is a UKGC regulatory requirement!



When we are talking about Microgaming (as with Immortal Romance, Avalon II and Cashapillar), I'd agree because they are designed to be rare hits... have we seen a full screen of wilds in Avalon II yet?

When we consider some of the other operators - and my first thought would be Red Tiger - I suspect the picture is very different. The sheer volume of dead spins and micro-wins, combined with multiple five-of-a-kind line pays of less than stake, suggest the RTP is being pushed up the pay table.

Speaking of Red Tiger - I know Chopley mentioned BTG's Donuts, I've seen "skipping" reels on a number of Red Tiger slots, I've also seen a game malfunction in Laser Fruits where the game history clearly shows a win of 4 ways of 4 single bars, but the game paid zero. I followed this up with live support who claimed it wasn't a malfunction and had paid correctly!?! That'll be £1.60 I won't be getting back...



I would think many people would skip over those "dry" videos, but I feel they are important as to show both sides of the coin and I applaud the three of you for doing them.

I wonder how many people would know that a self-styled "streaming community" is 51% owned by LeoVegas (paid £2.7m in December 2017) while watching one of their hundreds of "Biggest Wins" videos (you would have to go back more than 150 videos - into the year 2016 - to find one that didn't have the words "Biggest" "Wins" in the title).

Or similarly, a "casino family" who are streaming in shifts 10 to 14 hours a day, frequently with an exclusive bonus, and some of them are barely risking their own money in the deposit due to staking agreements with other members of the team! To be fair, it would be difficult to find anything useful amongst the forty casinos they are currently promoting!



So true... I was talking from a rational viewer perspective, nothing will ever be good enough for the haters!

Yes, you are referring to Casino Grounds which was purchased by LV in 2107 IIRC. This did raise numerous comments as to whether it was ethical to have a casino operating a streaming channel directly rather than independent affiliates who could vary or pick and choose between those casinos whom they opt to do business with. I also think it was a risky investment considering the fragility of relying on YT to allow revenue streams in gambling.

You can make it clear on YT if a channel or video is sponsored but it still remains an affiliate enterprise, even if the risk is spread amongst a selection of different streaming channels.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

An appraisal of the issues reported with Donuts, an update on my 3Dice cashout, and some HIGH INTENSITY Video Poker action. *

* Intensity of Video Poker action may be overstated.

 

[lotusch]

An appraisal of the issues reported with Donuts, an update on my 3Dice cashout, and some HIGH INTENSITY Video Poker action. *

Oh dear.. Will check it out before commencing my quest to wager another 975 quid with a 105 quid bankroll at 3dice.

 

[goatwack]

I do believe the 3Dice revival is in full swing

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I do believe the 3Dice revival is in full swing

I lost the first £50 eventually so deposited another £50, and when I stopped it autoplaying last night the second £50 deposit had recovered to £100. So it'd been running for about 5 hours in total playing 50p hands of Jacks or Better and I'd lost precisely zero pence

No Royal Flush yet though!

In fact, I've just pulled my play history and it played over 2000 hands during during the course of the afternoon and evening, and achieved an RTP of precisely 100%.

 

[Balthazar]

Chopley...it's your thread and your videos and you get to say what you want but you're wrong about about a couple of things and, well, we're here to discuss aren't we?

First, Bonanza is not a crazy high variance slot and I've no idea why you keep implying that. The reason why it's immensely popular is because it's entertaining to play (something I personally couldn't say about any 3Dice slot, but to each their own). You make it sound like it's DOA variance and people keep playing a shitty boring slot with the hope of hitting a 10,000x win to get their money back. Come on now, you may have been influenced a bit too much by chronic complainers in the Bonanza thread. It's a very popular slot so you had to expect a lot of that kind of people to pop. Most of us who like the game don't even read that thread, let alone post counter-arguments in it.

Second, fans of the game can live with the low bonus frequency as a trade-off for the potential generated by the Megaways in the base game. I'm ok with that because I like the base game. Play time on it is usually good, too.

Third, it's OK to not like BTG games but you kind of went on a crusade against them armed with the wrong weapons. They only have 2 games with crazy high variance and they are not very popular, the rest is med-high and they act like it.

Finally, the max single win on Reactoonz is 800x and it's one of the most brutal slot out there. Big wins on the paytable isn't always related to play time.

Ok I'm done, for now

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Chopley...it's your thread and your videos and you get to say what you want but you're wrong about about a couple of things and, well, we're here to discuss aren't we?

Of course we're here to discuss things I don't consider this 'my thread' as it's nothing without the input of other CM members!

First, Bonanza is not a crazy high variance slot and I've no idea why you keep implying that. The reason why it's immensely popular is because it's entertaining to play (something I personally couldn't say about any 3Dice slot, but to each their own). You make it sound like it's DOA variance and people keep playing a shitty boring slot with the hope of hitting a 10,000x win to get their money back. Come on now, you may have been influenced a bit too much by chronic complainers in the Bonanza thread. It's a very popular slot so you had to expect a lot of that kind of people to pop. Most of us who like the game don't even read that thread, let alone post counter-arguments in it.

Yes I was prepared to accept it wasn't that high variance but dunover expressed the opinion that any slot with the hit potential of Bonanza has to be considered a HV slot.

As for it being entertaining to play, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that!

Second, fans of the game can live with the low bonus frequency as a trade-off for the potential generated by the Megaways in the base game. I'm ok with that because I like the base game. Play time on it is usually good, too.

Third, it's OK to not like BTG games but you kind of went on a crusade against them armed with the wrong weapons. They only have 2 games with crazy high variance and they are not very popular, the rest is med-high and they act like it.

It's not a crusade against Bonanza specifically, it just happens to be the most visible example of what I object to in slot design, and it's a slot I've got decent personal play experience of.

1/460 is a truly dire feature frequency and to have it just grinding through so much RTP in the base game with the odd decent hit 'because' of the Megaways (which is just a stupid extension of 243 way slots in my eyes and not a particularly good one at that) doesn't cut it with me. I'd rather get a high paying 5OAK on a proper lines slot.

Finally, the max single win on Reactoonz is 800x and it's one of the most brutal slot out there. Big wins on the paytable isn't always related to play time.

There are multiple screenshots of it doing 1500x stake and more, and it routinely does that in the VS races.