Low RTP at iNetBet?

[Nifty29]

Hi Nifty,

I wasn't going to continue this post with more complaints, but since you asked about what I was playing and how much, I'll give you a quick run down. Remembering that I only had $109.50 comp credit to start with.

I started off with:
Achilles at $5.00 x 4 spins---0/1.50/1.25/0==$20.00

Sea Captain at $2.50 X 4 spins---0/.90/0/0==$10.00

Honey totheBee at $2.00 X 5 spins---0/0/1.50/0/.60 ==$10.00

Triton's Treasure at $2.50 X 4 spins---0/0/0/0===$10.00

Jackpot Pinata at $5.00 X 8 spins---0/11.25/0/0/2.50/1.25/2.50/1.00==$40.00

PayDirt at $2.00 X 10 spins---.40/10.80/0/0/0/.40/0/0/1.68/0==$20.00

Basketbull at $2.00 X 10 spins--.48/.40/.40/even/1.60/.24/0/0/0/0==$20.00

Achilles at $2.00 X 15 spins--0/0/2.50/0/.50/0/0/6.80/.60/11.00/0/0/1/0/1.10==$30.00

By this time I was down to $15.65 and went to Mermaid Queen that had a RJP of over $9334
reduced my bet to only $1.00 to get more spins for the JP. I made 38 spins and of that bunch I received 4 spins over my $1.00. One for 1.30, one for 1.50 one for 12.65 and one for 1.30. The rest were for 0/.25/ or .50.
I wound up with 2 cents to get rid of.

I hope this is what you wanted to know.

And thanks for your response.

MaryJean

Thanks Mary.

The problem is what I expected it would be - bankroll vs bet vs expectation.

If your starting bankroll is $110, then $5 and $2.50 bets is suicide. Yes, on the odd occasion you will hit something nice, but the vast majority of the time you will bust out faster than you can say "ouch".

On this kind of bankroll, you should be betting no higher than $1...and even that is pushing it.

You only pressed spin 94 times, and on several different slots, so you would not expect to hit a feature as most average 120-175 spins.

If you're going to play this way, you are going to have to get used to having a bad time most of the time. You will have a really nice time on the odd occasion, but mostly you will lose the lot.

You see, you can either have extended playtime and a better chance of smaller hits (but still OK), or have a quick session and have a smaller chance of a big hit. At present, you are choosing the latter, and you cannot have both.

My advice is to try a different approach, as the one you have taken here is absolutely certain to give you a false impression that the game RTPs have been lowered, as you don't play near enough spins to allow it to even out.

Still, it's your money, and I wish you the best of luck. However, based on you what you provided, you have nothing to complain about at all, as it is perfectly normal.

 

[zeledrith]

You seem to be betting a little higher than you should with a starting balance of $100.

I do the same, but betting so big with such a small base would mean many deposits without a cash out unfortunately.

With RTGs I seem to notice trends with their slots, when its dead its very very dead.

Example, Lucky Last never showing the wilds in front for 100+ spins, same with Funky Monkey and the scatter in front.

Or Paydirt never showing more than 1 scatter, spin after spin.

However if you keep getting 2 scatters in a short span of time, it might be close to a bonus round soon.

It is "random" but good and bad results seem to be bunched up together, thus you never really end up with just fun play for awhile very often.

I am still hoping for the lucky $10k+ win from a $5 spin and that would cover my losses for the year.

Or getting a random jackpot because I have been playing RTGs for more than a year and still no RJ for me

I have only been able to win at their perfect pairs blackjack reliably for the past month, same as slots the good results are bunched up like crazy so if you hit a good run you can win like 10 hands in a row, or vice versa

 

[all4greed]

I'm not going to read all the stuff above, but interestingly enough I emailed INB asking about my RTP last week as I've had some horrible play time betting small. I was going to give them another chance to reply but it appears it's just another "ignore a customer's request" by both support and management. To me that's a don't give a rip attitude.

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Sent By: xxx@comcast.net
On: May 05/10/12 2:46 PM
To: manager@inetbet.com

I haven't received a response. Please provide the info I've asked.


xxx
Account xxx

From: xxx1@comcast.net
To: support@inetbet.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:18:49 PM
Subject: Request

Hi,

I would like the RTP total percentages for the following:

1. Each of the last 5 deposits
2. Redeemed comps

Thanks,

xxx
Account xxx


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I've asked for this one time before with the same result.

 

[Nifty29]

I'm not going to read all the stuff above, but interestingly enough I emailed INB asking about my RTP last week as I've had some horrible play time betting small. I was going to give them another chance to reply but it appears it's just another "ignore a customer's request" by both support and management. To me that's a don't give a rip attitude.

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Sent By: xxx@comcast.net
On: May 05/10/12 2:46 PM
To: manager@inetbet.com

I haven't received a response. Please provide the info I've asked.


xxx
Account xxx

From: xxx1@comcast.net
To: support@inetbet.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:18:49 PM
Subject: Request

Hi,

I would like the RTP total percentages for the following:

1. Each of the last 5 deposits
2. Redeemed comps

Thanks,

xxx
Account xxx


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I've asked for this one time before with the same result.

Ignoring emails is unacceptable. I would PM inetbet here and get a explanation.

I wouldn't say your original email was the most polite I've ever seen, but it wasn't outright rude either. In any case, a response is mandatory IMO, especially for an accredited casino.

Out of interest, what is it about the rest of the thread that bothers you (even though you haven't read it?)

 

[all4greed]

Ignoring emails is unacceptable. I would PM inetbet here and get a explanation.

I wouldn't say your original email was the most polite I've ever seen, but it wasn't outright rude either. In any case, a response is mandatory IMO, especially for an accredited casino.

Out of interest, what is it about the rest of the thread that bothers you (even though you haven't read it?)

I'll PM the rep here, good idea. I think the only other place I've asked for my RTP was 3Dice and it didn't seem like a big deal to provide the info. Maybe INB doesn't know what I'm talking about or I'm wording it incorrectly?

Regarding this thread and others like it, as soon as I see lots of responses to quotes, I'll skip to the end. Not that I have a short attention span, but I'm not interested in some of the communications that take place between members. I'll leave it at that...

 

[Pinababy69]

I have to agree with the two posters above who stated that your bets are too high for your bankroll. With a balance of $109, my absolute maximum bet would be 40 or 50 cents. Also, only taking 5 to 10 spins on each game is hardly giving it a fair shot to actually hit something.

Perfect example, I played last night at Inetbet..a small $10 deposit, no bonus. Started on Aladdin's Wishes at 10 cent bets (ten lines at a penny per line). I kept going up and down but didn't really hit much of anything, and was below a dollar a few times. I kept at it, and finally got a decent bonus round and got my balance up to about $20...so then proceeded to bet 20cents (all lines). This was probably after 600 spins or more, and shortly after that, I hit the green genies for another $20. I kept my bet level at 20 cents, and hit a couple of nice bonus rounds which took me up to over $80....so THEN I raised my bet to 40 cents and got lucky and hit a bonus rounds which paid about $60. I think my balance was around $130...all from $10.

I didn't cashout, but played for hours and moved onto some other games. My point is that you have to give a game a chance to hit something..and 99% of the time making five spins only, isn't going to do it. I tend to be guilty of sticking with a game TOO long, which can also be suicide. But on occasion (like last night), after a few hundred spins, I did get some nice hits. Bankroll management is so important, as the more spins you take, the higher the chance that you will hit something along the way.

JMO, for what it's worth. I'm queen of the low rollers though, and I know not everyone has the patience to "work" a $10 or $20 deposit into something more, by low rolling. But as Nifty said, betting $2.50 to $5 per spin, with only $100 is suicide for sure. At $2.50 per spin, you are only "guaranteed" 40 spins on any one slot, not counting whatever hits you get. 40 spins is just not enough to gauge anything....again, JMO.

 

[maphesto]

I wasn't going to continue this post with more complaints, but since you asked about what I was playing and how much, I'll give you a quick run down. Remembering that I only had $109.50 comp credit to start with.

I like the way you play, but you can't get any RTP figures out of it. I often play as Pinababy, with a 5$ deposit at InetBet. 5-10 lines on a high variance slot can hit. Sometimes I play like you, a few high roller bets to see if I am lucky at one of the machines with RJ:s above 5K. Usually, I am not.

To give a software or a casino a chance you have to have a lot of spins.

You only pressed spin 94 times, and on several different slots, so you would not expect to hit a feature as most average 120-175 spins.

Also, only taking 5 to 10 spins on each game is hardly giving it a fair shot to actually hit something.

Nifty and Pina, I understand exactly what you mean. BUT...on a totally random game it does not matter if you have one spin on 100 machines or 100 spins on one machine, as long as betsize and the expected RTP is the same.

 

[KasinoKing]

Nifty and Pina, I understand exactly what you mean. BUT...on a totally random game it does not matter if you have one spin on 100 machines or 100 spins on one machine, as long as betsize and the expected RTP is the same.

That is true, but I could never bring myself to play like that!
I usually stick to one slot until I hit the feature at least once - or have done about 300 spins, whichever comes first.

And of course, Nifty and Pina ARE spot on about the bet sizes; FAR too big for that bankroll and FAR too few spins to get any sort of feel of RTP IMHO.

KK

 

[Nifty29]

I like the way you play, but you can't get any RTP figures out of it. I often play as Pinababy, with a 5$ deposit at InetBet. 5-10 lines on a high variance slot can hit. Sometimes I play like you, a few high roller bets to see if I am lucky at one of the machines with RJ:s above 5K. Usually, I am not.

To give a software or a casino a chance you have to have a lot of spins.





Nifty and Pina, I understand exactly what you mean. BUT...on a totally random game it does not matter if you have one spin on 100 machines or 100 spins on one machine, as long as betsize and the expected RTP is the same.

It would be true if the average feature hit frequency was identical on each slot, but it is not. It would be an interesting experiment over time to play 5 spins on 20 slots and then 100 spins on one slot and see which was better.

The most important aspect is the poor choice of bet size vs bankroll.

 

[zeledrith]

For those Random Jackpots, just how random are they?

Normally if bigger bets increase your chances of winning them, it is stated in the game rules, but for RTG it is not. (Or I'm blind...)

I've seen many screenshots with small bets winning them, but many people try big bets on big RJ slots.

Doing both for quite awhile now, I have still yet to hit a RJ big or small at RTGs.

Kind of losing hope

 

[KasinoKing]

For those Random Jackpots, just how random are they?

Normally if bigger bets increase your chances of winning them, it is stated in the game rules, but for RTG it is not. (Or I'm blind...)
I've seen many screenshots with small bets winning them, but many people try big bets on big RJ slots.
Doing both for quite awhile now, I have still yet to hit a RJ big or small at RTGs.

Kind of losing hope

Dogboy (who works for the company who make RTG slots) once posted somewhere on this forum that the chances of hitting an RJ is once in every $300,000 worth of spins, regardless of bet size.
i.e. You are more likely to hit them in fewer spins, the higher your bet.

I have never hit one either - so you aren't the only one losing hope...

KK

 

[maphesto]

It would be true if the average feature hit frequency was identical on each slot, but it is not.

I can precise it more and say that it have to be clones, but that's not important. Main issue I marked in bold was that you gave the impression that it mattered that op used several different slots.

It would be an interesting experiment over time to play 5 spins on 20 slots and then 100 spins on one slot and see which was better.

If the games are totally random and the RTP and variance is the same the result should be the same. But of course, you have to try this several times a day a lot of days.

The most important aspect is the poor choice of bet size vs bankroll.

Of course!