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Low RTP at iNetBet?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by MaryJean, May 13, 2012.

    May 13, 2012
  1. MaryJean

    MaryJean Senior Member MM

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    Has anyone had any good play at iNetBet lately?

    I for one am getting very disappointed in them.

    I don't expect to win every time, but I would like to have some decent playthrough when I do play.

    For instance--today I decided to play my comp credits that have been accumulating for a long time.

    I had $109.50 to be played through 10X. I made it through a whole whopping 1.89X. I had only 9 spins that were over my bet and NO free spins.

    Once in awhile this is to be expected, but I was real surprised a few days ago when I got clear up to 16X playthrough out of the required 20.

    Sourgrapes to Inetbet.

    They used to be fun!

    MaryJean :mad:
     
  2. May 13, 2012
  3. butterflyboogie

    butterflyboogie Senior Member MM

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    I only had luck there one time and won but I played it back while waiting on documents to be approved. My fault not theirs, however I have played many times since then and long before the win and never was able to cash out at all. Plus, the playtime was short. I'm a premium player now so I do keep trying. Hope your...and my luck changes soon. :)
     
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  4. May 13, 2012
  5. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

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    Is that maybe why I'm not a Premium player? I have cashed out many many times there.
    Not as many times as I have deposited, and not huge amounts, but still....

    I see no different in playtime with Inetbet and any other RTG.
    To me they are okey;)
     
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  6. May 13, 2012
  7. butterflyboogie

    butterflyboogie Senior Member MM

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    Premium players is based on your deposits, which they don't have to be real big amounts. You have to add them as a friend in Facebook and then you can request to be a premium player....or I think you can send them an email about it. Premium players get a few extra bonuses. I like being able to post on their wall on Facebook because there is a rep, James that can help you. Since they don't do the live chat it makes it nice to be able to correspond with him.
     
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  8. May 13, 2012
  9. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

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    I have them on facebook, but I would never ask for anything like that. Ii's just not me;)

    I was pleasently surprised the other day when I read that people who wanted their Managerbonus reloaded, don't have to tell how much they are getting any longer. When you did that everyone knew how much you had deposited the last month, so I never wrote anything.
    I complained about it here a few weeks ago, and maybe someone actually listened.:)
     
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  10. May 13, 2012
  11. LHofsdal

    LHofsdal Ueber Meister MM

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    I really think it has to do with RTG casinos in general. It is not just Inet with the short playtime. I have experienced it for a while now. I will give you and example of what I mean....

    I only play at accredited casinos, and I do not play at Inet anymore so these figures are not from Inet but other accredited casinos, and more than 1 casino.

    On this day last week, it took 237 spins to hit a bonus round, and I got 3X my bet. (medium variance)
    Same day on another game it took 269 spins to hit a bonus round and got 15X my bet. (high variance)
    Same day another game it took 229 spins to hit a bonus round and got 1.5X my bet.

    On another day last week, at another accredited casino it took 433 spins on Happy Golden Ox to hit one of the bonus rounds and I won 30X my bet. But I was hitting pretty good getting 60 dollars and stuff, but with a game with 2 different features and it takes 433 spins to get one of them is just out right rediculous.

    Same day different game it took 215 spins to get a bonus round to win 1.75 on a 1.50 bet with 6 free spins.(high variance)
    Same day different game, diamond a dozen, took 214 spins to hit one of the features that paid 10X my bet. (medium variance)

    I can go on and on because I have gotten into the habit of asking for my play logs when I do play at any RTG just to see how horrible the play time has been and lousy payouts from features. I started doing this when I noticed 100 dollar deposits going in less than 20 minutes at a dollar or 80 cents a spin and no features were hit on quite a few occasions.

    It use to be the rare occasion it would take so many spins to get a feature, but now I feel like it is the norm. Atleast for me anyway. because it is not just happening at 1 casino but at quite a few.

    So I really think it is RTG, and for the members who say it is just luck, there have been other players that have been doing the same thing and it is just as bad for them too. How do I know, all 7 of us have been sharing our notes and they are all the same, lack of play time, and lack of features no matter what game you play.

    I know you have to take the good with the bad, but the bad has become worse, and at some point you have to ask yourself if it is worth it. It isn't worth it to me any longer so all RTG casinos have been uninstalled and I will admit I have had some really good wins at RTG casinos in the past, but since those wins, my deposits don't last long and I get nothing for my loyalty at these casinos. So for me it does no good to deposit at any of them now.

    Just my take on the situation...
    LH
     
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  12. May 13, 2012
  13. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

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    I'm counting spinns too, but it's more like a hobby. I have memory for numbers so I can't let it go. That is the only reason.
    When I play I normally play 25c/bet, $5-$10. No feature I'm out.
    The same with 40c/bet $10-$15. No feature I'm out.

    I can go back to a game and try later, but if it's not paying then why stay?
    When I started playing I could sometimes get free spinns very fast and several times. That hasn't change. I still get that.
    I also still get the opposit where I just can't win no matter what.

    I wonder a little if you maybe have changed the way you are playing, because I find it strange that it's the same for me, but for you it has changed?

    That maybe explains why I still trust the casinos and will continue to do so as long as I feel that way;)
     
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  14. May 14, 2012
  15. LHofsdal

    LHofsdal Ueber Meister MM

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    I see what you are saying, but it would be different if it were just me, but it isn't. I started to do this when I was reading takethemoneys posts. I found it strange at first because he had won a few randoms in a week then for the longest time he couldn't hit anything. But then I started noticing that I was often times "1 off" from a full pay line or a feature. It was then in a discussion I had with a fellow member who reminded that I had recently won a RJ for the 3rd time. And to be honest here, I haven't hit anything since.

    Could it be luck? Maybe, but I tend to think it is more of the sign of the times than anything else. Like I said this is just my opinion and being from the USA I don't have all the options you have being from Sweden. It just seems odd that when I first started playing on line back when I first signed up here, things were not like this. I said it use to be the rare occasion not to get a feature, but now it seems the norm. And looking at other posts here some members are seeing the same thing.

    Like I said it is only my opinion, and I take the good with the bad, but the bad has gotten so bad that I won't waste my money or time with RTG for now, I will make the 20 minute drive to B&M casino when I want to gamble. It is your right to gamble on line and trust the online casinos, and I wish you the best of luck, I truly hope you will win a ton of cash and enjoy every penny of it!

    LH
     
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  16. May 14, 2012
  17. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Unless you keep detailed records of every spin in every session, including whether bonuses were taken, deposit amount, bet amount, etc over at least 12 months, you can't even begin to formulate an RTP figure for your personal play.

    I've yet to see anyone do so. Comparing notes (whatever that entails) can be fun and interesting, but we all tend to remember our losses far more starkly than our wins.

    It's also important to note that that RTP means "Return To Player".....it doesn't mean "Return To THE Player" (I.e. you). I think this is where some people get confused and upset, because their personal experience doesn't match the advertised RTP. Well, the fact is that it probably never will. One example with RTG real series slots is that the RTP figure includes the random jackpot. The RJ accounts for around 1.5% of RTP, so if you don't hit one, REAL theoretical RTP figure is around 93.5% rather than the 95% advertised.

    The other thing to remember is that the RTP is theoretical. It is not a promise I.e. most players will never achieve it. Why?.....because the figure is based on hitting every possible combination of reels and symbols. It's not based on a time period etc. It's why the double pear tells us the RTP has changed I.e. a symbol has been added or changed to alter the reel and hence the possible combinations.

    When you consider what theoretical RTP actually is, you only have to think of how often you have hit 5 wilds, or 5 scatters, or whatever the top payout happens to be. In most cases, you would say "never".....which means you haven't experienced all the combinations possible, which in turn means you're going to struggle to reach that magic RTP figure.

    What I also find when people get upset about bad runs and poor RTP, is that at some point they've had an unusually great run.....perhaps winning a RJ or two. Seldom do we hear them questioning the software etc, until the run stops and the pendulum swings the other way. In fact, when I've questioned some complaining members over the years, and pointed out that they had a really big cashout or a big jackpot/win some months back, I get a stock standard reply like "that's irrelevant that was months ago I'm talking about now".....which is totally the wrong way to look at it. You can't just ignore the wins and complain about the losses.....well I guess you can, but you're in for a very negative gambling experience.

    One last thing about frequency of features....its another one of those times when we forget the past. Personally, I've had times, as have others here I'm sure, when I've hit features every 20 spins for half an hour, or every 40 spins etc. I've also had sessions where I've waited 3-400 spins, or never got it at all. Again, you don't see posts about someone having a great feature run, but we hear all about the bad ones. I suspect that, if the records I mentioned were kept and included when features hit, that over time it would be about the average for the game concerned.

    Anyway, I know some members don't like hearing this stuff, but its all based on facts so it is what it is.
     
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  18. May 14, 2012
  19. LHofsdal

    LHofsdal Ueber Meister MM

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    I see what you are saying Nifty, but like I said, it is my opinion. Nothing more or nothing less.

    I was just making an observation to MaryJeans post, and I said in that post that I think it is more of an RTG thing. It just isn't worth it for me to play this platform, as I feel things have changed. Wether it be the RTP or not, it just isn't the same, well for me anyway. So I take my losses and move on.

    I didn't say that my findings were fact, just what I incurred in my play with them, and that other people were experiencing much of the same. I didn't say everyone was experiencing this, but I just knew that I was not the only one.

    Members here and even non-members are going to play where ever they feel comfortable, and there is nothing wrong with that. I wish everyone that does play RTG all the luck in the world. I just don't feel that comfortable playing with them anymore so I wont. That is all, it is just my opinion, and the way I feel about RTG. But I can tell you this, if I had all the options NON US players had, I would not play at RTG that I know is fact. ;)

    LH
     
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  20. May 14, 2012
  21. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Well it wasn't directed at you, it was just a general comment to put things in perspective.

    I'll tell you one thing however.....these things will happen and do at every other casino, soo changing software won't help you. The grass always seems greener in the other paddock, but once you're there you'll see the cow poo is just as smelly and deep.

    Threads like this come up all the time about every software.

    If you don't think you're getting a fair game, then by all means vote with your cash.

    One thing I will say about many complaints about lack of cashouts etc, is that most of them involve people taking bonuses. If anyone is finding that they can get ahead, but always lose everything before meeting WR......then there's a lesson right there that they're missing. In a lot of cases, they could have cashed out if they didn't take a bonus....by taking one, you are giving the casino a better chance to keep your money. The WR is set to such a level as to make it very likely that you'll bust before WR is met.

    Players often think that bonuses help them, but in most cases they don't. Sure, they give you more play time for your money, but the more you play the more the house edge bites and the more likely you are to lose. Unfortunately, you can seldom have both extended playtime and a winning session. I used to use bonuses exclusively, but since playing my own funds around 75% of the time, my bottom line has improved significantly. It's a big decision for someone who always takes bonuses.....I know....but I haven't looked back and neither will you.
     
  22. May 14, 2012
  23. LaHutti

    LaHutti Sr. ÜberUnter Ass. Man. webby PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    your.....
     
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  24. May 14, 2012
  25. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Actually, what you should have said was:

    Your.....

    It's proper grammar to commence a sentence with a capital letter. My error was a phone autofill typo. Yours was a result of being completely unaware.

    :D

    Thanks for your (as always) constructive contribution to the thread. I'm sure everyone reading has a clearer understanding of RTP and bonuses because of you :thumbsup:
     
  26. May 14, 2012
  27. LaHutti

    LaHutti Sr. ÜberUnter Ass. Man. webby PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    I'm not going to look them up, but I'm pretty sure I've seen at least 10 threads, where your contribution has ben excactly the same as mine in this thread.
    Just thought I'd make you aware, knowing how important spelling and grammar is to you.
    I didn't know that you used capital letters after a comma in Australia....my bad...I guess.
    You don't need to thank me ;)
     
  28. May 14, 2012
  29. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    What comma.....the one just before the word you're referring to?

    If you were attempting to quote me, you need to use quotation marks thus:

    "your....."

    No need to thank me ;)

    How about digging up those "10 threads" and reporting them, instead of ruining this thread with your inaccuracies.
     
  30. May 14, 2012
  31. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

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    Give it a rest you two. Talk about selfish disregard for your fellow forum members! How could you possibly imagine that this sniping is of the slightest interest to the rest of us? If you must engage in this bickersville stuff please do so offline.
     
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  32. May 14, 2012
  33. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    My apologies to the rest of the membership reading this thread.

    It wasn't worth it, and I hope the topic of RTP etc can continue unabated. :)
     
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  34. May 14, 2012
  35. P.V.

    P.V. Senior Member webmeister

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    No apology needed here, honestly all this RTP stuff is hypothesize.

    Show me regulation with credible regular monitoring and then it's ingenuous. :thumbsup:
     
  36. May 14, 2012
  37. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Well, the explanation of RTP is right and the other factual stuff.

    I assume you mean that you're not convinced of the integrity and honesty of the advertised RTPs. In that case, yes, I agree. The way things are currently, a fair bit of trust is required on the part of the player......that being said, it is not in the best interests of an ethical and serious operator to reduce RTPs on the sly.

    If we were to believe a player every time they claimed the RTP had been reduced, we would currently have no casinos as nobody would win, as the RTPs would be in the 1-5% range. You can go back through the forums over the last 10 year's and see what I mean. You will also see the same people post some winner screenies and hit some nice cashouts, but not hear a word about RTP....until the next time they hit a losing streak, that is.

    I don't have an issue with someone like LHofsdal expressing an opinion that they feel its not working for them and they aren't winning, and voting with their wallet. We all do that to varying degrees. I take issue when players start suggesting foul play or rigging or "per player" individual RTPs and I start handing out the tinfoil hats. As I said, one cannot even begin to accurately assess their personal RTP unless they have a long period of detailed logs.....and I mean every detail. For example, I have often heard "I haven't cashed out in 40 deposits or 100 deposits etc". After further questioning, it most often turns out that they actually could have cashed out several times, but decided to up their bets or play on for hours etc, with the almost inevitable result of busting out. Also, it comes to light that they take bonuses every time with high WR, and either bet way too high for the bankroll or way too low and never really reach a cashable amount.

    In these cases, I usually advise a re-think of their methods and other logical alterations to their expectations and goals. In most cases, I'm told that I'm a casino shill and its the software ripping them off and I'm making excuses......which is their perogative, but of course the losses continue along with the frustration, which has even ended in a ban.

    I'm not saying I know it all.....I'm not even close.....but I've learned a lot from some very smart people who taught me a better way to gamble. One needs to be open to other possibilities to be able to learn. It's like that famous quote "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it".
     
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  38. May 14, 2012
  39. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

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    Derail

    @Nifty
    I'm sorry if I offended you by thanking LaHuttis post!
    At the moment I thought it was funny since you usually are doing the same as he did.
    I do apologize, but I still think it was a little funny, and no harm done:)

    ..end of derail.
     
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