let's get serious about roulette systems

[hitobito2005]

Hey there liquid fusion I'll agree mathematically your correct the little ball can land anywhere and is not influenced by previous spins. But based on hundreds of thousands of spins.........not so. Not even close.

Ignore your own perceptions, the human mind is a crazy thing and makes patterns from nothing.

The odds are indeed against hitting the same number 3 times in a row (for example), but the odds that the game of roulette pay you for betting for/against any outcomes are always less than the true odds.

But enough of this, you seem to have an almost religious faith in the possibility of systems/strategies and I suspect no amount of logic, reason and mathematics will persuade you otherwise.

All I can say is please don't put too much money into this!

 

[lots0]

But enough of this, you seem to have an almost religious faith in the possibility of systems/strategies and I suspect no amount of logic, reason and mathematics will persuade you otherwise.

I think you hit the nail on the head...

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: I think part of what he is talking about, streaks, 3 in a row, and such, is what I call an, "END", bet. When will what is happening end? If you chart, and use recorded spins from Books, Web Sites, play for free results, and so on, you can make a, "END", List. Here is what mine looks like.

Most red/black in a row--19
Same dozen/0 in a row --12
Same 2 dozen/0 in a row--25
Different numbers in a row without a repeat--22
Spins in a row without the same dozen repeating--22
same 2 numbers in a row--6
most spins a row where 0-26-32 did not hit--126
Most spins in a row a single number did not hit--327
The most spins needed to get one number to hit 6 times--111
and on an on............

So, if you are betting, and keeping track of everything, once in a while you will notice that one of the above is nearing the End. This is as good as anything else to bet on. As always, you bet enough to profit from it, but not so much that losing wipes you out.

Why do I make this type of bet sometimes? Simply Put, it forces the game to do something, "I", have never seen it do before, in order to beat me. It has gone 20 spins in a row like this, 12-33-13-7-12-36-24-7-22-25-1 ect ect. For the next 3 spins, i will bet the last dozen that hit, to repeat. If it does I win. If it does not, then the game just went 23 in a row without repeating.

The longer you have played, and the more results you have documented, the better your END list becomes. For ME, if I lose, and I can say, "The game just did something i never saw it do before", and that is what beats me, then so be it, I can accept that. And since We are not talking about betting the farm, it is a acceptable way to Gamble. I mean, if you can't even do this, then what are you doing in a casino in the first place?

There is nothing wrong with trying to, "Build a better Mouse trap", as long as the resources being put into it came from your carpentry funds, and not from the rent, or car payment, or other such things. Besides, When someone comes along and starts posting about a method of play, "That Never Loses", we can make bets with each other as to how long that poster will be around......hehehehe, Anyone remeber the poster, "Ghost"?

 

[han_solo82]

same 2 numbers in a row--6

What do you mean by that, something like :

32-36-36-32-32-36

 

[kakata]

What do you mean by that, something like :

32-36-36-32-32-36

yes thats what he meant....

 

[love2winalot]

Yes, that is what i meant. The 2 numbers were 7 & 12, it was at the Flamingo here in las vegas about 4 years ago. 7-12-12-7-12-7. I have also seen the same number hit 5 times in a row, it was the #6, and at the Wynn.

PS: Not to derail, but i am derailing anyways....... if you like Roulette, most would also like Sic Bo. Hey, dice totals of 4 or 17, at a payout of 62 to 1, is a nice little profit for only $1 or $2....

 

[rouletteguy]

Love2winalot seems to be on the right path it's really the only way to be successful at roulette long term. And by successful I don't mean win every time I mean win more than you lose. I never once claimed it to be infalliable.

That one time it does lose you don't go bust on it and because it is a rare occurrence you don't get frustrated about the loss, you patiently recoup it.

This is what I do for fun, create different strategies to try and beat that wheel, not systems (I define a system as a rigid betting sequence not open to adaptability) I've pled my case and asked you to go try it for yourself and debunk me. I'm not a neutral 3rd party so if I post my spins and results I'll be accused of "doctoring" them.

I am very glad to see other roulette players are posting there strategies as well so I know I'm not alone. Sound strategy and MONEY MANAGEMENT are the only way to be successful at roulette long term and again success is not winning 100 percent of the time it's looking at your bank roll end of week and seeing a consistent gain.

You cannot teach people to gamble properly they need to learn it on there own. the reason the wheel is cursed so much is because we just can't eat that loss and move on. We want it to be easy and as soon as it get's hard we try to force a profit with increased wagers or risky maneuvers, patience is key emmotional attachment to your money is not. I learned that the hard way feeding the wheel more than I should have in an attempt to recoup losses A.S.A.P. and that maneuver alone will wipe you out.

Wise words quoted from someone on this forum "quit when it's not fun anymore" will do more to keep you from going bust than any system or strategy tomorrow is a new day.

What I'm trying to do is share what I have found from experience and gain credibility for viewing roulette as a skill game

Because from what I've seen posted too frequently around this forum (Reader Discretion Advised) is a whole lotta know it all know nothing's quoting bullshit from other know it all know nothing's that makes roulette look like a game for idiot's and it's far from it. It require's a great deal of control and strategy and can create positive results consistently the same as black jack when played properly.

I'd venture to guess the same people bashing roulette are slots players for the most part which I think is a fool's game so we're even. Worse case in roulette I got a 37-1 shot of winning where as slot's you can feed all day and never get a hit but it's all gambling in the end isn't it? We enjoy what we enjoy and on a good day you can hit the jack pot and be smiling. But I've also noticed these slot's players usually have a strategy or ........method of play that they employ and swear by to increase there odds of winning.

hmmmmm.......... a strategy for a completely random game hmmm...........
that pay's off for them frequently hmmm........ Glad to see I'm not the only crazy one.

 

[lots0]

What I'm trying to do is share what I have found from experience and gain credibility for viewing roulette as a skill game

That ain't never gonna happen.

The mathematics is against you.. and you can't logically argue against mathematics.

 

[rouletteguy]

Also like to thank 3 dice for the articles in his post namely gambler's fallacy. this is on a 50/50 even odds bet (coin toss) and is trying to be employed to a 37 number sequence. When you toss a coin it's alway's 50/50 when you put 37 different numbers in a hat, pull em all out 1 by one then stuff em back in and shake em up would you imply there is a 50/50 chance of drawing those same numbers in the same sequence again? What about in the next 10 draws? The same reason your odds of winning the lottery are 16 million to 1 is the same reason rare occurrences are even rarer to repeat any time soon. It's a mathematical improbability is all I'm saying and they should be taken advantage of and looked on as just that it can happen but the odds are slim it will.

 

[StaceyLee]

Keep up the good work!!!

God I love this site. It is so good to hear the experiences, ideas, logic and opinions, (good and bad), from seasoned and not-so-seasoned players. Me being the latter. As I am surrounded by reams of paper, (from researching, recording and nutting things out) and only a coupla months practice mode, I am proud to say that I do see both sides of the argument. I do like the attitudes however that each game has a wave (like stockmarket) and that human nature is the biggest killer of a strategy designed to win small but consistently.

I am an advocate for smart, safe betting using one or more systems/strategies to generate a slow but steady profit, knowing that a bad day at the office will happen on a regular basis and result in a loss, but will not affect overall profit, if rules are adhered. Set targets, and STOP. Have substantial bankroll to commence with and walk away when having a bad day.

After much research I have joined the die-hards and just commenced my little "strategy" for roulette and now with exercise book drawn up I will consistently play for one month, (practice mode) to assess results, fine tune, etc. Yeah I know one month is not one year or ten years experience but three times a week for one month I am hoping will provide me with a reasonable assessment before I make the decision to play for real. This is what I have arrived at:

Two systems running consecutively. Betting B/R and O/E. When betting Red also bet Odd. When betting Black also bet Even. Swap betting sequence on every new roll - regardless of results. When runs appear the swapping back and forth between them tends to allow for bankroll to be sustained. (And sorry rouletteguy but I have on several occasions seen repetitive 8-12 runs repeated again immediately and/or very soon after they break, and more than twice in one session.)

Three sessions per visit with target of $10 win for each. Obviously win for the visit is $30. Not much, but achievable and when repeated 3-4 times per week becomes consistent addition to budget. (Sorry fun players, I am attacking this from a practical angle as my pleasure is nutting out problems and playing the risk, rather than playing just for the fun of it and hoping to crack a win/jackpot. Never liked lotto!)

Each session starts with 2222 for B/R and 2222 for O/E. You know the drill from here - win and cross off end number, lose and add bet amount to end of line.

Sometimes the $10 target is reached in less than a minute. But always STOP when reached. Start next session with new set of lines 2222 for B/R and 2222 for O/E. I find running the two together seems to help sustain bankroll during losses.

Hiccups so far: One session can take up to one hour to complete for $10 win. Must have a $500-$1,000 starting balance - one session so far got to loss of $300 but turned around and climbed back to starting point. When starting point is reached do not continue to make $10 profit - STOP. QUIT. CLOCK UP TO BAD RUN AND START AGAIN. (Playing 5 casinos this way helps sustain a net profit, and of course on a good week, can provide up to $500 week return.)

Never change betting routine throughout run!!!! Even when R/O is coming up when betting B/E and it feels like you are on the wrong wave. Is tempting but will cause confusion and anxiety and blows out the consistency. Having said that If R/B run is finished and O/E run is blowing out past 30-50 spins, appearing stuck, for want of a better word, I sometimes play out this line but quit O/E and flip to B/R. Once $10 win has been reached. STOP.

Well guys and gals this is my amateur little contribution and I will keep you posted, for those interested, by providing the results after one month. If looks worthwhile I will commence for real play, (after any fine tuning) and report back on this. If it totally sucks, back to the drawing board and who knows maybe I will take up lotto. :notworthy

 

[han_solo82]

I have also seen the same number hit 5 times in a row, it was the #6, and at the Wynn.

Wow, that's like 1 chance in 69 millions if on a single zero roulette!

Now that's rare

 

[rouletteguy]

Well there you have it in black and white Stacey Lee debunked me on several occasions she has witnessed repetitive runs of 8-12 very close together all I can do is argue that the wins between these runs would have outweighed the losses. may I ask how long the string of numbers was in between these runs? time is nothing because you get alot of spins in a minute or 2. I've seen runs of 10 3-4 times in an hour of play and still been successful with this.

Now everyone can pick apart her strategy. I think it needs some tweaking myself which she has stated she will do because I've bet the two (color and odd even) simultaneously and had it back fire enough to use it sparingly but it uses the same principle as my strategy the odds of a losing streak coming up often enough in a slightly complex betting strategy are slim enough to make it a worthwhile endeavour.

A little diversity is a good idea I call it hedge betting eventually Stacey lee will have several strategies she employ's depending on game conditions and her appetite for risk/reward all part of one big strategy.

What???? did you honestly think I'd sit on black and red waiting for a run of ten numbers so I could slip in and make a lousy 5 bucks!!!! no no no I just take the easy 5 bucks at an opportune time after 4-5 reds i'd be putting a chip on that color til the run stopped IF I hadn't seen a big run yet during that session, or I could be tracking odd's and evens and when I saw 3-4 bet against the trend, same with high and low

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: Just a note for Roulette players. You have a 1 in 37 chance of betting 1 number and have it hit. You have a 1 in 100,000 chance of having someone/anyone tell you that your number hit because of anything you did, or did not do. If you want someone to say this Game is ANYTHING other than LUCK, that is not gonna happen.

I posted this because it is true. If you accept the Truth, then it is so much easier to play, enjoy the game, and even post on message boards about it.

If you want to try to Win an Argument on the Internet, that will not happen either. Then, when that discussion is on using a method of play to win at Roulette, then that really is not gonna happen. ACCEPT IT. You make your point, you explain it, and you move on.

I have a saying. I think i invented it.................It goes like this,
"I would rather be laughed at, while cashing in at the cashier cage, than be complimented while taking more money out at the ATM machine".

 

[Sodax77]

Oh man, of course there is a bulletproof roulette system.
And it will works!

Just play no zero roulette/no house edge roulette/similar,
and bet to both, Red and Black - Same amount

...it was hard to keep this secret,
but i can promise that you will not lose anything,
EVER! ...And Enzo will shutdown his Roulette now.

...Cause as a casino rep I can tell you that if I ever believe a roulette system is possible - I'm shutting down that game.

Of course, if you want profit... then it is different story,
The topic says: " let's get serious about roulette systems".

....ok, ok...
...btw, about card counting, i just find this:
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And is Roulette a skill game (no )?
Ladbrokess Games, BlueSQ Skill Games, etc have Roulette on
Skill game-area as well.

 

[Casinomeister]

I just wanted to bring this up real quick before this thread gets too "serious"

1.16 - Gambling Systems. For some reason, there are people who believe that the membership consists of morons. The members may be a lot of things, but stupid they ain't. If you attempt to sell a gambling "system", you will be publicly ridiculed and harassed until we're bored with you. You'll then be banished to Never Land where you can play with Tinker Bell and all the magical fairies. You'll be a happier person there.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/

 

[hitobito2005]

I'm going to avoid this thread now, it's making me despair

What's the point in proving you wrong if you won't listen?

 

[Sodax77]

I just wanted to bring this up real quick before this thread gets too "serious"

1.16 - Gambling Systems. For some reason, there are people who believe that the membership consists of morons. The members may be a lot of things, but stupid they ain't. If you attempt to sell a gambling "system", you will be publicly ridiculed and harassed until we're bored with you. You'll then be banished to Never Land where you can play with Tinker Bell and all the magical fairies. You'll be a happier person there.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/

Honestly, let's peoples will talk about systems, even those will not work - at all, or only moment.
Some people may have suggestions and ideas, how to play "better" way.
So what was point with the rules? Do you will ban us if we continue or why you pointed out that.
There is no "selling".

It is like, "roulette system" is banned subject here?!
But "rigged slots", bashing casinos,
and screaming like "CASINO XYZ STOLE MY MONEY!!!" is ok?

As long, people will speak their opinions, then it is ok. If someone come here, and sell something, then ban that person.

Seriously

I'm going to avoid this thread now, it's making me despair

What's the point in proving you wrong if you won't listen?

Exactly.

 

[Casinomeister]

...There is no "selling"...

It called "nipping things in the bud". Just a preemptive public service announcement, that's all

 

[rouletteguy]

There will be no selling here on my part the roulette players are getting the drift Smart strategy and intelligent betting increases your chances at roulette end of story. If we choose to discuss our strategies and profit from the knowledge then what the hell?

See lot's of people coming on bashing our methods etc. but I don't see any with valid proof, they're just quoting mathematicians etc. How did Martingale get famous? Somebody made a shit load of money from it, lebouchere, etc. they worked for somebody LONG ENOUGH to make them wealthy. Long term they'll eventually fail but..........will they fail consistently enough to wipe you out? is the failure sequence just a random event?

People bashing strategy are trying to say the event which hurts your roll is going to repeat more than the successful method we're countering with "no it won't" Based on MATHEMATICAL PROBABILITY nothing more nothing less.

It's a random game so when a random sequence occurs that hurts it likely won't repeat in the near future it's statistically very highly improbable.

look at it this way you could possibly play and see nothing but red it is possible ( I never have) but what are the odds? you could see 4 red 4 black 4 red etc. repeat indefinitely but what are the odds? they're pretty slim now........What are the odds of seeing that same sequence again? What are the odds of seeing that same sequence tomorrow?

We're gambling the odds are on our side it won't show up again for a while.
It's just common sense. Now that some lottery had a number repeat 2 weeks in a row are you going to start playing last week's numbers?????? No because the odds are super slim it'll ever happen again.

 

[Casinomeister]

How did Martingale get famous? Somebody made a shit load of money from it....

But I'll bet you casinos have made more money off of Martingale users than any Martingale user has made off of a casino.

 

[love2winalot]

But I'll bet you casinos have made more money off of Martingale users than any Martingale user has made off of a casino.

Hiya: That statement is completely true. It is a Fact. I would also venture the following statement is true.

Casino's have made more money off of card Counters, than any card Counter has made off of a casino.

Even though card Counting can give the player an advantahe over the casino, and despite counter measures, there are still players that make a profit counting cards. But you don't see BJ being taken out of the casino's? Why?

Because most card counters do it poorly/wrong/to aggresivley/to small of a bankroll, and so on. Card Counters are welcomed with open arms, "Professionals excluded", because of the above mentioned reasons. Every Gambling book sold in every casino in las vegas, in the BJ section has an area on Card Counting. Why do you think the casino allows these books to be sold inside their casino?........................

This applys to Roulette also. A lot of players have different methods of play, "systems". Most of them are sound, "control your losses", and provide the player with a set method of play. But, Most Roulette players, Just like BJ players, will abandon what they are suppose to do, or just start betting in any manner as soon as the varience shows it, and they are getting killed.

We have read, and seen many times, of players who just keep losing the to dealer 5-6 up card, because they stood on their total of 14-15, andthe dealer made his hand. Let this happen many times in a row, and it takes real disipline to, "Stand", when it comes up again. A lot can/do not, and they start hitting, because, playing the proper way was just not working.

Same thing with Roulette. Bet any way, and anywhere you want to. have a preset stopping point. Now, lose those bets, and at the stopping point, have your number hit on the next spin. have this happen many times in a row. Now, most players end up moving their pre set stopping point back 1 more spin. Thus, more money bet. They lose. Now what? One more spin, again? That leads to, "Damn it, it has to hit sometime", that leads to the message on the screen, "You are broke. Would you like to go to Banking now, so you can continue to play"? hehehehe

CasinoMeister is right. "insert comp points here" This disscusion has so far been good, and stable. Those on both sides have been civil, and no one has posted any link to any system selling site or any thing like that. No one has tried to point players to a specific casino to play Roulette because the game there has a flaw, and is beatable, and so on.

So, "I", thank you all for this, and hope everyone keeps posting in the same type of manner, and everyone simply agree's to disagree, or vise versa. The name of the game is to make a profit, and have fun playing, "No matter what the choice of game might be".

 

[hitobito2005]

Because most card counters do it poorly/wrong/to aggresivley/to small of a bankroll, and so on. Card Counters are welcomed with open arms, "Professionals excluded", because of the above mentioned reasons. Every Gambling book sold in every casino in las vegas, in the BJ section has an area on Card Counting. Why do you think the casino allows these books to be sold inside their casino?........................

This applys to Roulette also. A lot of players have different methods of play, "systems". Most of them are sound, "control your losses", and provide the player with a set method of play. But, Most Roulette players, Just like BJ players, will abandon what they are suppose to do, or just start betting in any manner as soon as the varience shows it, and they are getting killed.

Arrrgghhhhhhhh..

*breathes*

Card counting = Sometimes you can gain real, measurable mathematical player edge over the casino.

Roulette = You can never, ever gain any form of edge over the casino.


There's no grey area here, it's black and white (black and red? ).


If a B&M casino sees someone playing blackjack in a way that gives them any significant edge, they will no longer be allowed to play. No casino has ever and will ever eject someone for playing roulette with a "strategy" (unless they are actually cheating, but that's a whole different matter). Of course, you can't card count online. Both games are losers, but single 0 roulette is about 5 times worse than standard BJ.

Rouletteguy, you're talking about mathematical probability, but I don't see any maths. Lets see some. Stop talking about vague "slim chances" and "highly improbable" and actually put some figures and workings down. What is the chance of x event? Is it less than expected? Should x event happen more than it does? Or less?

This is a discussion about maths but all I see is words.

 

[rouletteguy]

I haven't posted any math's because it's just common sense and I'm too lazy. So let's review shall we..........run of 10 is 1024-1 according to wizard of odds
very rare occurrence, my opinion is the odds of seeing the same sequence soon after is even rarer my opinion is that if you do see it then the odds of seeing 2 huge runs back to back again is even rarer still .....it's happened and not likely to repeat any time soon. Your argument is it's random and it will repeat. Odd's my friend is all it is. In layman's terms it could happen but it probably won't.

It's just a mathematical improbability. No smoke and mirrors about it.
put it into context..........you could see all numbers 1-37 hit consecutively you probably won't you could see a run of 100 same color you probably won't you could see em hit all red odd and black even (blowing Stacey lee out of the water) but you probably won't and you could see these sequences hit often enough to bankrupt you BUT YOU PROBABLY WON'T!!!! that's all it is.

GAMBLING!!!!! that a pattern formed within a random game won't duplicate often enough to damage you, that it will appear infrequently enough for you to capitalize on the randomness by implementing a patterned sequence of betting. To screw you the 2 patterns need to match inversely and we don't think it will very often. That is all it is no harm done and it makes sense.

All the naysayers rant it will form that pattern but that the game is random. Is it or isn't it? because you can't have both.

The pattern will form eventually, play long enough and you'll see it back to back maybe 3 times in a row even but will you see it 2-3 times in a row often enough to hurt you in the long run? We GAMBLE that it won't and we employ control of greed and chasing losses to minimize the damage done if it does.

pretty simple huh? a random game won't consistently form a specific pattern
when it does you lose a bit of money when it doesn't you profit. The smart money say's it won't.

And mr Bailey you are 100% correct more lose with martingale than win but is that failure of the system or failure of the gambler to control loss? It's a hard one because progression in one form or another is a part of virtually every successful table game gambling strategy. To me that suggests it's not the system it's the method of use. The system is correct because it compensates for our inability to be correct 100% of the time human error is what makes it fail such as "it's gotta change somtime" as opposed to " I ain't betting 64 bucks to win 1"

small alternating runs of numbers are more frequent than long runs proven time and time again so why people persist in doubling til table limit is beyond me other than they just can't take a small loss once in awhile.

 

[winbig]

1024:1 is rare?

I'd say not common, but rare?

 

[rouletteguy]

I'll give you that one winbig uncommon would be more accurate than rare.