# let's get serious about roulette systems

#### rouletteguy

##### Experienced Member
Anyone who has played roulette has a system some will double there bet 4x others indefinitely, Some bet exclusive columns or dozens, some will only flatbet with no doubling, the list goes on and on, Every single one of these systems works..........for a little while, given the right circumstances. The systems are all viable what comes into play is human error.

Take martingale for instance you double and double til you win, the bet becomes too much for your risk tolerance, or you exceed the table limit. What happens is you lose too much on a single bet and can't recover or a series of smaller wagers that exceed your level of risk beats you down. But what if you did your research? Generally you would find that the number series that you lost too is a rare occurrence and had it not been for that pattern you would be o.k. So should have not made that error.

Let's put it into perspective it is common for 3 of the same color but not more than 6 so strategy say's you should do your progressive 4x and on the 5th you should switch method's let's say by going to the color that is appearing, but money management, martingale would dictate betting 16 chips but you are gambling so instead you should lower that bet let's say 4 chips bet on the color that is appearing if you win lower that bet again to 2 and say you lose, you have just witnessed a run of colors that you have noticed is a rare occurrence so because of probability you know chances are good the same scenario won't repeat itself for a while so.......now you should feel relatively safe betting 2 or 4 chips on your progressive knowing that more than likely for the next little while a run will not appear exceeding 3 0r 4 but it might..........so then what, same thing odds of probability if a run comes up higher that's 2 that have appeared and now it is very very unlikely to see a run again.

I guess what I am trying to get at is the randomness of the game isn't alway's against you the use of proper money management during a losing streak is critical in order to make a recovery. I know all kinds of people will come on here blah blah blahing about no winning system to roulette and for the most part they are right but head on over to the wizard of odds sight and ask a few questions you'll see that the times where you have lost your stomach for a particular strategy are the best times to be enforcing it with a vengeance.

By that I mean the sequence that hit you hard is not likely to repeat itself in the near future but you should be prepared if it does by proper money management and that rare occurrence where it does come again only increases the likelihood that it won't. Now feel free to debunk me I expect it but you can't tell me this isn't good strategy for a random game.

Try it out I dare you when that big run of red wipes you out bet more than you normally do on the bet's after that run and because of probability (the same event won't repeat itself) you'll likely come out happier. Not every time but most times.

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#### lots0

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You might want to break it up, add some line breaks to make it easy to read.

#### maxd

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Paragraphs are a good thing. Use as many as you like.

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I know I will get some flack for this post but I really think that there is some system out ther yet to be discovered which will give a consistant profit on
most games of chance. Martingdale has been the downfall of many players
esp on roullette but used at appropriate times does give the player a short term advantage.I think we all tend to use it in some form even just increasing stakes on fruits when hitting a losing run.
a couple of things about the randonmess of red/black on roulette have always made me think.

Firstly if you do a run of say 1000 and hit say 10 reds in a row,when the run is complete, you will rarely find that reflected in the final red/black ratio. ie there does seem to be some compensation which evens the red and black count out.

if you dont bet until you see a run of 10 reds (a 1024 to 1 chance) - unlikely but it does happen then use martingale to bet on red,what is the chance of
hitting another long run of reds - 10 more would give be an overall chance of over 1 miilion - very unlikey so is there any merit merit is doing that.
I know there have roullette systems based on the latter and they have always been dismissed ( probably with good reason)

The usual comment is that you cannot and will not beat the house edge in the long run and mathmaticians have tried to devise a system for a long time with out any real success. but it can be interesting think about it

#### KasinoKing

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I know I will get some flack for this post but I really think that there is some system out there yet to be discovered which will give a consistant profit on most games of chance.
I agree!
Please visit my site & sign-up to as many casinos as you like - I don't mind if you fleece them

{edit} Why is this thread in Skill Games?
Is roulette a game of skill now?

KK

#### Casinomeister

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{edit} Why is this thread in Skill Games?
Is roulette a game of skill now?

KK
I guess some people think it is

Moved to here.

#### Casinomeister

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I agree!
Please visit my site & sign-up to as many casinos as you like - I don't mind if you fleece them

{edit} Why is this thread in Skill Games?
Is roulette a game of skill now?

KK

I did and have

#### liquuid_fusion

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if you dont bet until you see a run of 10 reds (a 1024 to 1 chance) - unlikely but it does happen then use martingale to bet on red,what is the chance of
hitting another long run of reds - 10 more would give be an overall chance of over 1 miilion - very unlikey so is there any merit merit is doing that.
I know there have roullette systems based on the latter and they have always been dismissed ( probably with good reason)

The chance of getting another 10 reds is the same as the chance of the first 10 reds, 1 in 1024 (actually less than this due to the 0). The fact that you have already had 10 reds does not matter and does not change the probability of 10 more reds going forward.

The usual comment is that you cannot and will not beat the house edge in the long run and mathmaticians have tried to devise a system for a long time with out any real success. but it can be interesting think about it

You can't gain a short term advantage either, or any kind of advantage. Winning does not = an advantage. Winning = luck.

I doubt any mathematicians are wasting their time trying to devise a roulette system. It's very simply proved as impossible, not matter how you structure your bets.

#### vinylweatherman

I know I will get some flack for this post but I really think that there is some system out ther yet to be discovered which will give a consistant profit on
most games of chance. Martingdale has been the downfall of many players
esp on roullette but used at appropriate times does give the player a short term advantage.I think we all tend to use it in some form even just increasing stakes on fruits when hitting a losing run.
a couple of things about the randonmess of red/black on roulette have always made me think.

Firstly if you do a run of say 1000 and hit say 10 reds in a row,when the run is complete, you will rarely find that reflected in the final red/black ratio. ie there does seem to be some compensation which evens the red and black count out.

if you dont bet until you see a run of 10 reds (a 1024 to 1 chance) - unlikely but it does happen then use martingale to bet on red,what is the chance of
hitting another long run of reds - 10 more would give be an overall chance of over 1 miilion - very unlikey so is there any merit merit is doing that.
I know there have roullette systems based on the latter and they have always been dismissed ( probably with good reason)

The usual comment is that you cannot and will not beat the house edge in the long run and mathmaticians have tried to devise a system for a long time with out any real success. but it can be interesting think about it

Simple Roulette system.

1) Use martingale, or whatever you fancy.
2) When you get ahead, QUIT FOR EVER!!!

You then have a Roulette system that has made you a LIFETIME PROFIT

Step 2 is important, since it ensures the long term edge never gets the chance to do it's job, which is the undoing of every Roulette system that has ever existed before.

Almost 50% of people who have tried this system rate it a success

#### 3Dice

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There's two possible situations here. You could either be right or wrong. If you are at all considering the possibility of not being right, then please take a look at the articles
and
. They should help you understand why you perceive things the way you do.

If you're not considering the possibility of being wrong, then consider that the best possible approach for anyone that finds the ultimate never failing system would be to keep it quiet. Keep it really really quiet .. don't talk about it, don't mention it, definitely don't post it in public, don't sell it, keep it for yourself and take the secret to your grave. Cause as a casino rep I can tell you that if I ever believe a roulette system is possible - I'm shutting down that game.

I haven't had the slightest hint of an urge to shut it down ever.

Regards,

Enzo

#### winbig

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There's two possible situations here. You could either be right or wrong. If you are at all considering the possibility of not being right, then please take a look at the articles
and
. They should help you understand why you perceive things the way you do.

If you're not considering the possibility of being wrong, then consider that the best possible approach for anyone that finds the ultimate never failing system would be to keep it quiet. Keep it really really quiet .. don't talk about it, don't mention it, definitely don't post it in public, don't sell it, keep it for yourself and take the secret to your grave. Cause as a casino rep I can tell you that if I ever believe a roulette system is possible - I'm shutting down that game.

I haven't had the slightest hint of an urge to shut it down ever.

Regards,

Enzo

Case in point - if a casino (offline) finds out that their shuffling systems either have a bug, or are malfunctioning, and players are picking up the patterns and never losing, then of course they're going to shut down the game.

Same thing goes for counting cards. Sure it's not illegal, but it's a working system. Although they can't outright ban you for counting cards, they will simply escort you off their property and tell you that your business is not welcomed there anymore. It's their right to ban you for whatever reason they see fit.

Just like Enzo said. If anyone with 1/4 of a brain had a 'foolproof' system that won all, or most all, of the time, then of course they would keep it to themselves. Once the secret's out, it's not a secret anymore.

#### Jasminebed

##### Game old gal
There is one big advantage to playing with a roulette system, especially online where you control when the wheel is spun.

It slows down your play and makes things more interesting for the bettor.

Money management, to set a goal for cashout and stick to it, will enable you to have winning sessions, if not overall profit.

That house edge is built into the game, and long term you will not overcome it.

Systems like martingale are especially vunerable to player ruin, since a losing streak can leave you betting a large sum of money to win a small sum of money, and the possibility of losing a large sum of money.

Keep in mind that this is Entertainment, and if you find it interesting to try different strategies, most of them are neither better or worse than the others. Some strategies will give you longer play then others.

One strategy that is available online is to choose a European wheel (single zero) over an American wheel (0 and 00) because there is a lower house edge.

Don't lose more than you are willing to lose, and hit that cashout button from time to time when you do have a lucky run.

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I am firmly of the opinion that the martingale system if used for too long
will clean you out and that all the best of the other existing systems can do is prolong your play time.
I was just pondering on the possibilities of a system existing that has never be found perhaps quantum theory where all possibilities exist at the same time
and the spin of the wheel will produce every possible outcome somewhere.

Think I had better keep out of the sun

Getting back to reality,I know success is down to lucky and good money management.
For the last few months I have used the old saying "be content to win a little" and had best run ever.

#### love2winalot

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Hiya: You asked for it, so here it is.

1. Roulette is a 35/1 game, not a 1/1 game. I always fail to understand why people play red/black, high/low, dozens, or any other outside bet, as their method of play? There are much better games with the close to 50/50 win/lose ratio, than roulette. It Pays 35 to 1, so you should be making bets at 35 to 1.

2. Like any game, or slot machine, Roulette will drif away from normal varience. Lost 12 in a row at BJ, had banker hit 12 in a row, lost 13 in a row at War, and so on. So, it does not matter what you are betting, where you are betting, or how many numbers you are betting, from time to time, You just cain't lose, and from time to time, you just cain't win.

3. What to do? First is to accept the varience. Second, is to not let the varience be what beats you. The following statement is a fact!

"What is suppose to happen the most, WILL HAPPEN THE MOST. And what is suppose to happen the least, WILL HAPPEN THE LEAST".

Using red/balck bet. Hitting 3 or less in a row vs hitting 4 or more in a row? What happens the most, and what happens the least? and, just because it happens the most, does not mean it happens first, or all the time, and vise ves for what happens the least.

Unless I am playing with a good size profit, and decided to take a chance with said profit, "I have done this a few times", i use the following method of playing.
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The 37 numbers never hit evenly. You never get all the numbers to hit anywhere close to the same number of times.
37 #'s X 111 spins = each number should have hit 3 times.
37 #s X 1110 spins = each number should have hit 30 times.
and so on.
Based on a 111 spin sequence.
So, what does that tell us? It tells us that the numbers 3-14-24-35-36, can hit a total of only 4 times, while the numbers 0-4-16-17-31 could hit a total of 26 times or more.

This happens every single time, in every single set. Only the numbers that hit/vs do not hit change, but the end result is always the same. Is it not then a good idea to, BET THE NUMBERS THAT ARE HITTING, and stay away from the ones that are not? If you do that, and at the same time, avoid losing to the varience, "the times that the hitting numbers are not hitting", then your chances of making a profit increase. How so?

You are going to lose bets. Losing bets = Losing \$. Losing to much money = bankrupt, or at the table limits, and so on. Avoid this by using a multiple of 35, + a multiple of 70, one time. Betting 7 numbers, means you could make the same bet 5 times, and make a profit it any number hit in those 5 spins. If not, you have lost \$35. You make one more bet, and one more bet only. What ever happens, this is your last bet in this sequence. It is a \$2 bet. Win=profit, Lost= you lost \$49, and the game went outside the normal varience to make you lose. You now flat bet \$1 total, anywhere you want until one of those numbers hit, and start over again. Lets say they go 12 more spins until hitting. You ended up losing 18 bets in a row, and lost between \$49 to \$54 total. At 35/1 payout, this is easy to recover from.

By doing this, you are constantly betting on, "What happens the most", and avoiding, "what happens the least", on a consistant basis. This is the best way that I know, to play this game. It is not easy, it requires disipline, and it requires a lack of emotion, as to frustration setting in, as you see your bankroll dwindle right in fron of your eyes. This Happens. The point is, that your bankroll, "dwindeled vs Exploded all at once".

In closing, everyone who has played Roulette in a real casino has seen this, or had it happen to them. They are betting their favoriate numbers, ie 30-36. They start out flat betting, and then raise their bet as they keep losing. After 10 or more losses in a row they are broke, or they pull more money out of their wallet, and keep betting the same numbers."They have to hit sometime", he says. They get wiped out. They leave. They walk back by the table a bit later, and on the reader board is, 12-2-36-32-1-0-33-33-12-18-31. They throw their hands up in the air and say, "OH, NOW they hit"..............................

Hmmmmmmmmm. If he was still at the table? If he had stopped betting them a lot sooner? If he had protected his bankroll? And speaking of Bankroll, not bringing enough money to the table to get through losing streaks is a Guarentee that you will lose more often than not.

This is just me. This is just how I play. It is nothing more than that. Gambling is Fun. It is more Fun when you are winning. The key is, "Is it still fun when you are Losing'? If you can answer YES, then you are in control, and you are sticking to the game plan. No One wants to lose 18 in a row at any table game. But if you have to, and you know sometimes you will, It is a Lot of Fun to watch those last 13 or so losses in a row cost you a whopping total of \$13.

#### han_solo82

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You now flat bet \$1 total, anywhere you want until one of those numbers hit, and start over again. Lets say they go 12 more spins until hitting. You ended up losing 18 bets in a row, and lost between \$49 to \$54 total. At 35/1 payout, this is easy to recover from.

Hey Love2winalot!

Your method of playing seems great and is getting a little bit clearer in my head but what do you mean by saying to flat bet anywhere you want?

Also when do you start betting a sequence (you must have a trigger of some sort) and when do you stop (after 1 win or do you continue if you win one time?)

When it comes to win, I'm all about patience, but losing control is so easy if you don't have a precise plan, which I don't have at this moment.

#### rouletteguy

##### Experienced Member
I think everybody missed the whole point..........When those devastating runs come up that go against your system and destroy it It's like an open window........You should feel very safe and secure increasing your wager and employing your system then because the event has happened already odds of probability are for the short term on your side.

like this 10 reds is common but 10 reds 2 blacks 10 reds is unheard of sure it could happen and I'm not saying it never will but the chances are very very slim.

By employing proper money management during this event (stop doubling when it's dumb) and then hitting hard right after "gambling" that it won't repeat any time soon you're in a good position to be right and therefore profitable.

odds of 10 same color are 1024-1, I disagree because these runs happen way more often than that at casinomeister accredited casino's I have played but odds of 2 huge runs almost back to back???? I have seen it only once.

To put it in perspective in an hour of play I have seen runs of 10 three or 4 times and at least once every hour that's why I disagree with the 1024-1 I'd say it's more like 1-300 guessing thats how many spins I get in an hour. And that's experience not mathematics. I'd rather be overly cautious than overly optimistic.

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i used to have a nice system i made after long calculations, even lot of my friends used this with lot of succes, yes its not possible to find a system which will make U rich or give 100% winnings, but my system seemed to work really well..... i used 1nd,2nd and 3rd colon. It was mainly used at 2 bookies, and it has to be where they accept 10 cents roulette....
I will be happy to post it if anyone is interested, or actually its stupid posting something that is working quite well....
You wont get rich on it, but myself and my friends made around 20-30\$ in average a day, just playing 1 hour.

#### takethemoney

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Do you know what the casinos say about system players?

Bring em on!

Those kinds of fools and their money are even faster parted.