Lasseters BJ

[two_card]

I believe this software runs like a bad slot machine.

Thought I would try to put some numbers together and have one of the math experts evaluate.

Not good so far. I can not afford much more.

1st session:
Flat betting - lost 25 units wagering 153 units

Left and logged in again.
2nd session
Flat betting - lost 15 units wagering 137 units

You got to be kidding !!!

From Lasseters casino "The long-term average player return for this game, as approved by the Regulatory Authority is: 97.64%."

Using the basic strategy engine from

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-the return should bee 99.4%.

I would be interested in an explaination - other than bad players. It is tough to play that poorly.

 

[Freudian]

I believe this software runs like a bad slot machine.

Thought I would try to put some numbers together and have one of the math experts evaluate.

Not good so far. I can not afford much more.

1st session:
Flat betting - lost 25 units wagering 153 units

Left and logged in again.
2nd session
Flat betting - lost 15 units wagering 137 units

You got to be kidding !!!

From Lasseters casino "The long-term average player return for this game, as approved by the Regulatory Authority is: 97.64%."

Using the basic strategy engine from

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-the return should bee 99.4%.

I would be interested in an explaination - other than bad players. It is tough to play that poorly.

Average players don't play optimal. Thus lower results. Remember it only takes two unneccesary busts in 100 hands to pull down the return to 97.

Personally I was up around 200$ on the BJ alone the first time I tried Lasseters. Haven't played there since. Waiting for my cheque to unlock the Neteller function at that casino. I am unsure I will play there more until they fix some software problems. Not only was it really slow, I really hated the layout of the BJ screen at that casino with the hit/stand buttons very close together, making mistakes a very real possibility.

But as far as the results being rigged or anything, I don't think so.

 

[padanian]

not worse than many other ones...

I would say that their BJ is not worse than other ones. You can have long bad series but also long good series. It just depends (as usual... ) if you're able to quit winner...

 

[two_card]

Further play:

After 3557 units wagered - down 36 units.

lowest point was (- 99) units at 2957 units bet

Gained 63 units the last 600 wagered.

This is indeed an ugly game. HA so far is a little over 1%.

 

[Clayman]

This is indeed an ugly game.

Indeed it is.

Haven't been there in a long while but I think the HA is something like 0.9%. Can anyone confirm this? Are they still using an infinite deck? What exactly are the rules these days? Are they sneaky by dealing 2 cards to the dealer but he doesn't check hole card until after player has played? Even if it's only 0.6%, that's still a pretty crappy game.

If so, don't know why anyone would bother. OK - I can think of one reason.

Losing 36 units in 3557 hands would be almost exactly what is expected, so I'm not quite sure what the problem is.

If it is infinite deck, you should hit A,4 vs 4 & A,2 vs 5 rather than double, the former crossing over at 27 decks.

Would it be right to hit A,A & 8,8 vs A in this game?

 

[ftg]

Further play:

After 3557 units wagered - down 36 units.

lowest point was (- 99) units at 2957 units bet

Gained 63 units the last 600 wagered.

This is indeed an ugly game. HA so far is a little over 1%.

Really ugly?

Yesterday alone, I played 2324 hands (in a few sessions) in MG Vegas Strip BJ and down 98 units. ~1.7 SD.

Worst point was down ~130 units at ~1600 hands.

Worst "part" of the game was down 33 units in 40 hands.

Can I expect to be up 70 units in the next 2324 hands?

 

[Clayman]

Yesterday alone, I played 2324 hands (in a few sessions) in MG Vegas Strip BJ and down 98 units. ~1.7 SD.

-1.7 SD (I get more like -1.6) is still only about 1 in 22, So, **** happens.

Did you really flat-bet for 2324 hands? If so, congratulations on not busting out. Guess your unit was less than 1% of starting BR.

 

[ftg]

-1.7 SD (I get more like -1.6) is still only about 1 in 22, So, **** happens.

Did you really flat-bet for 2324 hands? If so, congratulations on not busting out. Guess your unit was less than 1% of starting BR.

I was NOT flat-betting. Overall I lost $120 yesterday in BJ.

 

[Clayman]

I was NOT flat-betting.

How did you determine the number of units you lost? Hopefully you are not dividing actual dollars lost by average bet size.

 

[ftg]

How did you determine the number of units you lost? Hopefully you are not dividing actual dollars lost by average bet size.

Actually this time, I copy all the records from Playcheck to Excel.

For each "hand" played, I divided the field "delta" by "Wagered" to form the unit Lost/win for that hand and sum all the them to get the unit lost.

For example for $2 bet

1. if it's a win
wagered = 2
delta = 2
2/2 = +1 (up 1 unit)

2. if it's a player BJ
wagered = 2
delta = 3
3/2 = +1.5 (up 1.5 unit)

3. if it's a lost
wagered = 2
delta = -2
-2/2 = -1 (down 1 unit )

So this method is not very accurate because it doesn't account for the case of split hands.

 

[ftg]

Today another 100 hands and down 24 units. I am myself to blame I am not following my "strategy" today and got burnt. But again, I strongly believe MG's software employ some tricky stuff there : loss streak begins when some players action detected.

I believe the way I palyed really "get caught" by the software provider and that's why I don't have luck in MG's softwar all the time.

 

[Clayman]

Today another 100 hands and down 24 units. I am myself to blame I am not following my "strategy" today and got burnt.

Nice going on those units, btw. I wouldn't worry too much about the splits - they don't occur that often. Does your spreadsheet work for doubles?

May I ask what your "strategy" is?

It can be a brutal game - hope your luck turns soon.

 

[ftg]

Nice going on those units, btw. I wouldn't worry too much about the splits - they don't occur that often. Does your spreadsheet work for doubles?.

Yes. For double, it counted as -2/0/+2.

May I ask what your "strategy" is?.

I mean I can't control myself by overbetting which is not within my "plan" or otherwise I won't get burnt so easily even though I really believe the odds changes according to certain player actions

It can be a brutal game - hope your luck turns soon.

It had never turned around. Anyways thanks.

 

[daywalker]

Lasseters

Hi,

I've read horror stories elsewhere about this lot but personally I've nothing but good fortune playing BJ with them.
Deposited $250, got a $250 bonus, played through $10k WR @ $5 per hand and finished on $945.
They invited me back for a $50 for $50 offer so I took it up, WR of $4k done @ $4 per hand and I've finished with $330. I've made $975 from this lot
They sent me the first cheque and I received in a week (in the UK) it's currently with my bank being processed. I don't expect anything to go wrong so should get bronze level to withdraw via neteller next time for the $330.00

 

[Flavio4321]

changes in lasseters T&C

For those of you who play BJ at Lassters, I just want to say that they change their T&C, the wager requirments went from 10 times D + B, to 20 times D + B, this is only for BJ, the rest of the games are stil 10 times D+B.

I realized of this today, I dont know when this happend.

 

[Stanford]

Lassater New Bonus Terms not worth it

For those of you who play BJ at Lassters, I just want to say that they change their T&C, the wager requirments went from 10 times D + B, to 20 times D + B, this is only for BJ, the rest of the games are stil 10 times D+B.

I realized of this today, I dont know when this happend.

I saw this as well. I was just coming to post it when I saw yours.

Not really worth bothering with now. Better places to play, IMHO.

Stanford

 

[two_card]

Does anyone know when the rule change was made ?

I am in the middle of wageriong a promotion.

 

[snuf419]

Bj

I tend to make a deposit, wager it on one hand of BJ and then go home with my bankroll doubled or empty handed. Here are the results for my 3 and only 3 sessions of this kind at Lasseters:

1, deposit $20, wager $20, dealer BJ
2, deposit $20, wager $20, dealer BJ
3, deposit $20, wager $20, dealer BJ

Government regulated? sure...

 

[nafanny29]

Thats about an 8000 to 1 shot!!!!!! Not nice at all

 

[bethug]

like seals dont mean crap, govmenet regualted dont mean crap.

Lasseters is a casino i dont trust, i have had some weird results there. will not play there again

 

[hip_hop]

Lasseters

I contactacted some bloke from the Aussie government looking for a confirmation of how the Lasseters BJ game is dealt. The response suggests each hand is dealt from an eight deck shoe (newly shuffled) rather than the old infinite deck.

At one time I was searching some Northern Territories legislation and I found one reference to how games are dealt. I looked again but can't find it now (I guess I should have made a copy). The legislation states that any game that simulates a device must be accurate. The example given was for dice rather than cards. That scared me a bit as the one game Lasseters doesn't have is craps. I would interpret a deck of cards as being a 'device' but I certainly could see a corporate body seeing it differently. I can envision a casino suggesting that an ace of spades is just a symbol much like a blazing seven and if they get told otherwise, Oh well, pay the $2000 fine.

I have been taking a beating here for over a year now, and am down several thousand dollars. I am attempting to soldier on as I believe that they offer a real game of blackjack. The fact that my long term return is right around the -3.5% really bothers me, though. Let's just say I won't be really surprised if the game turns out to be a slot. But as for now I am going to continue under the assumption that they offer a square game (crappy -- but square).

The new wagering requirements have been in place for some time now but I'm not sure the exact date. So if you've just started a new promo you're kind of stuck.

Hip Hop

 

[DeMango]

Please give us a good reason why you would continue playing after losing thousands and claiming a return of 96.5% ?

 

[eek]

I have been a Lasseters apologist for years and LOVED the Access software for BJ. I could happily play for hours.

Its different software now and I must admit its a tight game, (to put it politely).

The last time I played I lost my discipline and started to double down just to watch that dealer kick my ass.
(I suppose you could say that I turned to the 'entertainment' part of gambling )

 

[cipher]

I contactacted some bloke from the Aussie government looking for a confirmation of how the Lasseters BJ game is dealt. The response suggests each hand is dealt from an eight deck shoe (newly shuffled) rather than the old infinite deck.

At one time I was searching some Northern Territories legislation and I found one reference to how games are dealt. I looked again but can't find it now (I guess I should have made a copy). The legislation states that any game that simulates a device must be accurate. The example given was for dice rather than cards. That scared me a bit as the one game Lasseters doesn't have is craps. I would interpret a deck of cards as being a 'device' but I certainly could see a corporate body seeing it differently. I can envision a casino suggesting that an ace of spades is just a symbol much like a blazing seven and if they get told otherwise, Oh well, pay the $2000 fine.

I have been taking a beating here for over a year now, and am down several thousand dollars. I am attempting to soldier on as I believe that they offer a real game of blackjack. The fact that my long term return is right around the -3.5% really bothers me, though. Let's just say I won't be really surprised if the game turns out to be a slot. But as for now I am going to continue under the assumption that they offer a square game (crappy -- but square).

The new wagering requirements have been in place for some time now but I'm not sure the exact date. So if you've just started a new promo you're kind of stuck.

Hip Hop

I can give it to you short and simple. In my opinion Lasseter's Blackjack is a world class rip off and Chris McIntyre from the Australian Gaming Commission would'nt know a straight game of Blackjack if it slapped him in the face. If you stick around this joint you deserve everything you get. Have a good one.

 

[bethug]

thanks cipher, for telling the truth

 

[Freudian]

I have deposited four times at this casino. (570$ deposit, 400$ bonus recieved). I have cashed out two times for 900$ in total. Probably wagered over $20k.

There are definately a lot of moments where you think "this feels a bit odd" though but as evidenced by my results I never felt like I was taken to the cleaners. My biggest gripe is that it is horribly slow.

 

[summertime]

thanks X2 Cipher

 

[sw2003]

I can give it to you short and simple. In my opinion Lasseter's Blackjack is a world class rip off and Chris McIntyre from the Australian Gaming Commission would'nt know a straight game of Blackjack if it slapped him in the face. If you stick around this joint you deserve everything you get. Have a good one.

Cipher, have you used your program on their BJ game? It sounds like you have and saw things that should not be there in a fair game?

 

[cipher]

Cipher, have you used your program on their BJ game? It sounds like you have and saw things that should not be there in a fair game?

Hi sw2003; Yes, I have used Cipher to record several sessions at Lasseters and yes I have seen some very peculiar runs. Not the least of which was a run of 37 in a row of pushes and/or losses. They hold the distinction for the worst run I've ever recorded.

Lastly, if you do put a withdawal request in, you can fully expect it to take the better part of two weeks to receive your check if not more because of Lassester's arcane and mandatory rule of mailing your first withdawal to you by check. Then be prepared to have your bank put a sizeable "hold" on that check until it clears as well.

These people need to wake up and take a few lessons from their country man Dean at the Phoenician, especially if they're as well heeled as Lasseter's claim they are. Have a good one.

 

[hip_hop]

Ummm

Please give us a good reason why you would continue playing after losing thousands and claiming a return of 96.5% ?

No can do. Let's put it this way. A couple of months ago I visited Las Vegas with the missus. I played extensively at the Las Vegas club in a good single deck game. I counted cards and played a mild three to one spread. I was playing about thirty to maybe one hundred and ten dollars max. Over this weekend I would have put in about $130000 in play, about the same as I currently have a Lasseters. Guess what? I dropped six grand. Six grand in a good game with a max bet of just over $100! Again, about the same as I am suffering at Lasseters. I don't go around shouting how the Las Vegas Club cheats at their single deck blackjack.

Do I have a good reason to keep playing? Nope. But I have yet to see a good reason to stop. Not here or anywhere else. As soon as someone like the Wizard of Odds or maybe 60 minutes makes a solid claim of cheating I'll bail. Until then, I'm not quick to react to knee jerk accusations that pop up so frequently.

And before those of you that believe that these casinos all cheat jump all over me about being a shill let me say something. I don't THINK they cheat but I don't KNOW if they do. As I said above, I'm just waiting for some proof. Then I quit online and buy a ticket to Vegas.

Hip Hop

 

[snuf419]

i think online casinos that are government regulated share some characteristics:
-they have no idea what a fair game of BJ/Roulette is
-they can change the numbers when needed (of course the govt will let them do that just to make sure they can pay their taxes in the end)
-there is absolutely no enforcement of anything whatsoever

 

[sw2003]

No can do. Let's put it this way. A couple of months ago I visited Las Vegas with the missus. I played extensively at the Las Vegas club in a good single deck game. I counted cards and played a mild three to one spread. I was playing about thirty to maybe one hundred and ten dollars max. Over this weekend I would have put in about $130000 in play, about the same as I currently have a Lasseters. Guess what? I dropped six grand. Six grand in a good game with a max bet of just over $100! Again, about the same as I am suffering at Lasseters. I don't go around shouting how the Las Vegas Club cheats at their single deck blackjack.

Are you using the correct strategy? According to your above figures, the casino has an edge of 4.615 % against you. Ouch!

 

[sw2003]

i think online casinos that are government regulated share some characteristics:
-they have no idea what a fair game of BJ/Roulette is
-they can change the numbers when needed (of course the govt will let them do that just to make sure they can pay their taxes in the end)
-there is absolutely no enforcement of anything whatsoever

How many online casinos do you know that are regulated by their government but are not situated on some offshore, remote, tiny country or island?