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Lasseters BJ

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by two_card, Jun 13, 2004.

    Jun 13, 2004
  1. two_card

    two_card Dormant account

    I believe this software runs like a bad slot machine.

    Thought I would try to put some numbers together and have one of the math experts evaluate.

    Not good so far. I can not afford much more.

    1st session:
    Flat betting - lost 25 units wagering 153 units

    Left and logged in again.
    2nd session
    Flat betting - lost 15 units wagering 137 units

    You got to be kidding !!!

    From Lasseters casino "The long-term average player return for this game, as approved by the Regulatory Authority is: 97.64%."

    Using the basic strategy engine from You must register/login in order to see the link. -the return should bee 99.4%.

    I would be interested in an explaination - other than bad players. It is tough to play that poorly.
  2. Jun 13, 2004
  3. Freudian

    Freudian Dormant account

    Average players don't play optimal. Thus lower results. Remember it only takes two unneccesary busts in 100 hands to pull down the return to 97.

    Personally I was up around 200$ on the BJ alone the first time I tried Lasseters. Haven't played there since. Waiting for my cheque to unlock the Neteller function at that casino. I am unsure I will play there more until they fix some software problems. Not only was it really slow, I really hated the layout of the BJ screen at that casino with the hit/stand buttons very close together, making mistakes a very real possibility.

    But as far as the results being rigged or anything, I don't think so.
  4. Jun 13, 2004
  5. padanian

    padanian Experienced Member

    marketing manager of a medium sized tourist compan
    not worse than many other ones...

    I would say that their BJ is not worse than other ones. You can have long bad series but also long good series. It just depends (as usual... ;) ) if you're able to quit winner...
  6. Jun 16, 2004
  7. two_card

    two_card Dormant account

    Further play:

    After 3557 units wagered - down 36 units.

    lowest point was (- 99) units at 2957 units bet

    Gained 63 units the last 600 wagered.

    This is indeed an ugly game. HA so far is a little over 1%.
  8. Jun 16, 2004
  9. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    Indeed it is.

    Haven't been there in a long while but I think the HA is something like 0.9%. Can anyone confirm this? Are they still using an infinite deck? What exactly are the rules these days? Are they sneaky by dealing 2 cards to the dealer but he doesn't check hole card until after player has played? Even if it's only 0.6%, that's still a pretty crappy game.

    If so, don't know why anyone would bother. OK - I can think of one reason.

    Losing 36 units in 3557 hands would be almost exactly what is expected, so I'm not quite sure what the problem is.

    If it is infinite deck, you should hit A,4 vs 4 & A,2 vs 5 rather than double, the former crossing over at 27 decks.

    Would it be right to hit A,A & 8,8 vs A in this game?
  10. Jun 16, 2004
  11. ftg

    ftg Banned User - bogus claim - violation of <a href="

    Really ugly?

    Yesterday alone, I played 2324 hands (in a few sessions) in MG Vegas Strip BJ and down 98 units. ~1.7 SD.

    Worst point was down ~130 units at ~1600 hands.

    Worst "part" of the game was down 33 units in 40 hands.

    Can I expect to be up 70 units in the next 2324 hands?
  12. Jun 16, 2004
  13. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    -1.7 SD (I get more like -1.6) is still only about 1 in 22, So, **** happens.

    Did you really flat-bet for 2324 hands? If so, congratulations on not busting out. Guess your unit was less than 1% of starting BR.
  14. Jun 16, 2004
  15. ftg

    ftg Banned User - bogus claim - violation of <a href="

    I was NOT flat-betting. Overall I lost $120 yesterday in BJ.
  16. Jun 16, 2004
  17. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    How did you determine the number of units you lost? Hopefully you are not dividing actual dollars lost by average bet size.
  18. Jun 16, 2004
  19. ftg

    ftg Banned User - bogus claim - violation of <a href="

    Actually this time, I copy all the records from Playcheck to Excel.

    For each "hand" played, I divided the field "delta" by "Wagered" to form the unit Lost/win for that hand and sum all the them to get the unit lost.

    For example for $2 bet

    1. if it's a win
    wagered = 2
    delta = 2
    2/2 = +1 (up 1 unit)

    2. if it's a player BJ
    wagered = 2
    delta = 3
    3/2 = +1.5 (up 1.5 unit)

    3. if it's a lost
    wagered = 2
    delta = -2
    -2/2 = -1 (down 1 unit )

    So this method is not very accurate because it doesn't account for the case of split hands.
  20. Jun 16, 2004
  21. ftg

    ftg Banned User - bogus claim - violation of <a href="

    Today another 100 hands and down 24 units. I am myself to blame I am not following my "strategy" today and got burnt. But again, I strongly believe MG's software employ some tricky stuff there : loss streak begins when some players action detected.

    I believe the way I palyed really "get caught" by the software provider and that's why I don't have luck in MG's softwar all the time.
  22. Jun 17, 2004
  23. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    Nice going on those units, btw. I wouldn't worry too much about the splits - they don't occur that often. Does your spreadsheet work for doubles?

    May I ask what your "strategy" is?

    It can be a brutal game - hope your luck turns soon.
  24. Jun 17, 2004
  25. ftg

    ftg Banned User - bogus claim - violation of <a href="

    Yes. For double, it counted as -2/0/+2.

    I mean I can't control myself by overbetting which is not within my "plan" or otherwise I won't get burnt so easily even though I really believe the odds changes according to certain player actions

    It had never turned around. Anyways thanks.
  26. Jul 4, 2004
  27. daywalker

    daywalker Dormant account



    I've read horror stories elsewhere about this lot but personally I've nothing but good fortune playing BJ with them.
    Deposited $250, got a $250 bonus, played through $10k WR @ $5 per hand and finished on $945.
    They invited me back for a $50 for $50 offer so I took it up, WR of $4k done @ $4 per hand and I've finished with $330. I've made $975 from this lot :thumbsup:
    They sent me the first cheque and I received in a week (in the UK) it's currently with my bank being processed. I don't expect anything to go wrong so should get bronze level to withdraw via neteller next time for the $330.00
  28. Jul 8, 2004
  29. Flavio4321

    Flavio4321 Dormant account

    changes in lasseters T&C

    For those of you who play BJ at Lassters, I just want to say that they change their T&C, the wager requirments went from 10 times D + B, to 20 times D + B, this is only for BJ, the rest of the games are stil 10 times D+B.

    I realized of this today, I dont know when this happend.
  30. Jul 8, 2004
  31. Stanford

    Stanford Dormant account

    Lassater New Bonus Terms not worth it

    I saw this as well. I was just coming to post it when I saw yours.

    Not really worth bothering with now. Better places to play, IMHO.

  32. Jul 9, 2004
  33. two_card

    two_card Dormant account

    Does anyone know when the rule change was made ?

    I am in the middle of wageriong a promotion.
  34. Aug 22, 2004
  35. snuf419

    snuf419 Dormant account


    I tend to make a deposit, wager it on one hand of BJ and then go home with my bankroll doubled or empty handed. Here are the results for my 3 and only 3 sessions of this kind at Lasseters:

    1, deposit $20, wager $20, dealer BJ
    2, deposit $20, wager $20, dealer BJ
    3, deposit $20, wager $20, dealer BJ

    Government regulated? sure...
  36. Aug 22, 2004
  37. nafanny29

    nafanny29 Dormant account

    financail adviser
    London, England
    Thats about an 8000 to 1 shot!!!!!! Not nice at all :(
  38. Aug 22, 2004
  39. bethug

    bethug Banned User - Winner of the "<a href="http://www.c

    like seals dont mean crap, govmenet regualted dont mean crap.

    Lasseters is a casino i dont trust, i have had some weird results there. will not play there again

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