Joyland Casino: Problem withdrawal request

[thelawnet]

I have just forwarded the PABs that have come in since yesterday (after I opened the PAB back up) to Playtech and Joyland.

So far a total of 16 complaints have been filed via the Pitch a Bitch section totalling in the neighboorhood of around $111,000 in claimed winnings.

So what's your opinion of casino shills posing as avid readers of bonuswhores.com 'for sanctioned poker bonuses' and yet giving themselves away by posting such intricate detail of what the casino had or hadn't done, and describing in deep technical detail the inner workings of Playtech casinos, as to leave us in no doubt what they are.

Sorry qazwsx, you've been busted.....

Next time, leave it at 'these people are so evil', and leave off all the identifying in depth technical information.

Better luck next time.

It's all part of the fun at the land of joy! Where happiness never stops!

 

[Casinomeister]

So what's your opinion of casino shills posing as avid readers of bonuswhores.com...

The jury is still out on that one in my opinion. qazwsx did make some odd statements though - I'm still looking into this by the way.

As for a general statment about this situation, I'm waiting for a response from Joyland before I tell everyone how I feel about this.

 

[thelawnet]

The jury is still out on that one in my opinion. qazwsx did make some odd statements though - I'm still looking into this by the way.

Oh well, I guess nothing can be proven 100%. But comments like this are extremely technical

Promo log entries for Playtech partners are not the responsibility of Playtech.

'Playtech partners'? IMO, only someone who is dealing with Playtech would describe a casino as a partner. And there's the statement itself, distinguishing between 'promo log entries' and other transactions. How would this guy know that if he doesn't work at Joyland or Playtech?

Regardless, for the record, this site can't alter play logs.

That's a very strong statement coming from someone posing as a player.

 

[GrandMaster]

If someone sees a slot machine paying every pull, many would sit and play rather than contact the casino. In this case, they all called their buddies over to play. Then when the error was found, instead of moving on and being happy they got their funds back, they had the nerve to bring it to a regulatory forum and waste precious time of the Webmaster.

They are thieves for pursuing their claims and should all be added to the EVIL list. For the record, I am an active member of that community so the previous poster that mentions my motives a disgruntled, I respond that I posted there as recently as 2 hours ago.

I read the story below in Gambling 102 by Michael "The Wizard of Odds" Schackleford :notworthy and I think it has many similarities with the Joyland case.

The Grand Casino in Biloxi introduced Sic Bo with the wrong payout table, it paid 80:1 instead of 60:1 on 4 and 17, which transformed these bets from sucker bets with house edge 15.3% to ones with a 12.5% player's edge. Stanford Wong found this out, published it on bj21.com, and the professional advantage players descended on the casino. The casino pulled the game after a few days, but it did not try to reclaim the money from the players or call them criminals for spreading this information on the internet instead of telling the casino.

I would also like to know who qazwsx really is. He seems to know too much.

 

[jetset]

I read the story below in Gambling 102 by Michael "The Wizard of Odds" Schackleford :notworthy and I think it has many similarities with the Joyland case.

The Grand Casino in Biloxi introduced Sic Bo with the wrong payout table, it paid 80:1 instead of 60:1 on 4 and 17, which transformed these bets from sucker bets with house edge 15.3% to ones with a 12.5% player's edge. Stanford Wong found this out, published it on bj21.com, and the professional advantage players descended on the casino. The casino pulled the game after a few days, but it did not try to reclaim the money from the players or call them criminals for spreading this information on the internet instead of telling the casino.

I would also like to know who qazwsx really is. He seems to know too much.

That is an excellent precedent imo Grandmaster, as are the precedents set by CON online when they took a million dollar plus hit on two occasions that I can recall where they screwed up and still honoured their obligations to the player community.

But perhaps we are not dealing with the same level of integrity and professionalism here at Joyland?

Mary also made a very valid point here some posts back - complain to the Antigua authorities as well - Ms. McDonald over there as the new director has said that she intends to run a clean ship - now is a very good opportunity for her to prove that her words were not merely empty promises.

 

[freakin]

I read the story below in Gambling 102 by Michael "The Wizard of Odds" Schackleford :notworthy and I think it has many similarities with the Joyland case.

The Grand Casino in Biloxi introduced Sic Bo with the wrong payout table, it paid 80:1 instead of 60:1 on 4 and 17, which transformed these bets from sucker bets with house edge 15.3% to ones with a 12.5% player's edge. Stanford Wong found this out, published it on bj21.com, and the professional advantage players descended on the casino. The casino pulled the game after a few days, but it did not try to reclaim the money from the players or call them criminals for spreading this information on the internet instead of telling the casino.

I would also like to know who qazwsx really is. He seems to know too much.

Don't forget the

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. Yet another case of a casino screwup that cost them money which they paid out.

Freakin

 

[andrew26]

Don't forget the

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. Yet another case of a casino screwup that cost them money which they paid out.

Freakin

Very interesting read.

It's amazing how these casino operators, who always have a mathematical advantage, start acting like sleazy morons when the players, through the fault of the operators, temporarily gain the same advantage.

 

[qazwsx]

Very interesting read.

It's amazing how these casino operators, who always have a mathematical advantage, start acting like sleazy morons when the players, through the fault of the operators, temporarily gain the same advantage.

If you and your friend's had not pounced on it like an accident that resulted in a safe being left open at a bank, you would have no issues with this casino. Act like a criminal and you will be treated as one.

Just because they are a casino, and not a bank, does not mean they should be looted. You guys are pathetic, and the cover up after the fact was done by the portal, not the casino. Any player who hit the "convert" button every 15 minutes is a terrible thief. Terrible meaning greedy AND stupid.

 

[TheBloke]

If you and your friend's had not pounced on it like an accident that resulted in a safe being left open at a bank, you would have no issues with this casino. Act like a criminal and you will be treated as one.

Just because they are a casino, and not a bank, does not mean they should be looted. You guys are pathetic, and the cover up after the fact was done by the portal, not the casino. Any player who hit the "convert" button every 15 minutes is a terrible thief. Terrible meaning greedy AND stupid.

What's terrible is your analogy.

A better one would be: "Pounced on it like a safe left open at the bank with a sign next to it saying 'This money is for to you' and a bank teller helping you put it in your wallet"

The casino entered the comp rate, the software clearly displayed it, and people used it. End of story.

 

[Vesuvio]

you and your friend's had not pounced on it like an accident that resulted in a safe being left open at a bank.

Now there's a strange accident. Sorry, but even without forums don't you think the favourable comp rate was likely to attract players?

Act like a criminal and you will be treated as one.

Remind me again, when was clicking on the button to convert comp points at a casino criminalised? The only entity that might have broken the law (if laws applied to on-line casinos...) is the casino.

Just because they are a casino, and not a bank, does not mean they should be looted.

There's no "looting" going on. Players always try to win at casinos. If you offer them a good bonus they'll take it. If you offer them a good comp rate they'll make use of it. Usually they'll still lose overall, of course, but if you're inept enough to lose a lot of money it's entirely your own fault.

You guys are pathetic, and the cover up after the fact was done by the portal, not the casino.

You don't seem to have any more idea about forums than you do about casinos - a Joyland employee then?

Any player who hit the "convert" button every 15 minutes is a terrible thief. Terrible meaning greedy AND stupid.

I love your way with words Bargain hunting may well be greedy - it's hardly stupid. The only thieves we're dealing with here are Joyland. It's not an excuse for theft that you're doing it to cover your own mistakes.

 

[thelawnet]

If you and your friend's had not pounced on it like an accident that resulted in a safe being left open at a bank, you would have no issues with this casino. Act like a criminal and you will be treated as one.

Just because they are a casino, and not a bank, does not mean they should be looted. You guys are pathetic, and the cover up after the fact was done by the portal, not the casino. Any player who hit the "convert" button every 15 minutes is a terrible thief. Terrible meaning greedy AND stupid.

'They are a casino'

You aren't convincing anyone with your pretense that you are just some charitable onlooker defending poor Joyland.

Describing players who cashed in comps at the rate you offered as thieves is not going to improve your casino's reputation one iota. Like oh my god, the players had an advantage, that makes them thieves. And they cashed in every 15 minutes because they were busting out otherwise, or because they thought you might change the rate. Shocking behaviour!

The fact that you are so obviously connected to Joyland, and have been trying to portray this image of being a player defending the reputation of casinomeister (suddenly appearing from nowhere), of joyland, or whatever else, just makes your casino look even worse than it already did.

I have said this before in this thread, but it's utterly senseless to respond to the substance of your posts, as you are not who you say you are, and frankly the anonymous deceptive posts of a Joyland person in the context of your casino's incompetence, and your subsequent response of stealing the winnings, are worthless.

 

[andrew26]

You aren't convincing anyone with your pretense that you are just some charitable onlooker defending poor Joyland.

If it is ever conclusively shown that this poster actually has a connection to Joyland, in my opinion, that would be grounds for instant rogue-ing.

Of course that would not be at all surprising from an outfit as sleazy and dishonest as Joyland.

 

[boogaooga]

You aren't convincing anyone with your pretense that you are just some charitable onlooker defending poor Joyland.

Personally, I'm still undecided whether our mystery poster is actually a Joyland employee, or merely someone from a fellow Playtech casino who sympathizes with their situation.

One thing is for certain though: for someone who claims to be an avid reader of BW and not associated with Joyland/Playtech, he sure seems to know an awful lot about how the latter works, and awfully little about the way the former works.

 

[The Gunslinger]

One thing is for certain though: for someone who claims to be an avid reader of BW and not associated with Joyland/Playtech, he sure seems to know an awful lot about how the latter works, and awfully little about the way the former works.

LOL.

The Gunslinger

 

[Andy9999]

To claim that a player is a thief because he or she did not point out to the casino that an advantageous situation existed in the players behalf is ludicrous. I used to play Keno quite a bit when I first started gambling, and not once did I have a casino stop me by saying, "HALT ANDY!!!! The game your playing has a 20% house advantage. We are making a fortune off of you. Please discontinue your play immediately". Of course they didn't stop me, nor am I upset they didn't. I made a mistake in that I played a bad game for the player, and I take responsibility for the money I lost. Just like this casino made a mistake in determining their comp conversion rate, and they too should take responsibility for the money they lost and payout accordingly.

 

[qazwsx]

If it is ever conclusively shown that this poster actually has a connection to Joyland, in my opinion, that would be grounds for instant rogue-ing.

Of course that would not be at all surprising from an outfit as sleazy and dishonest as Joyland.

I have zero connection to Joyland or Playtech. I am what I said. You have heard from the casino and they we're polite. IMO, you people are lucky you got your $500 back. Grow up!

Go back home to yor buddies and find another scam. This leak has been plugged.

NO MORE FREE MONEY!

 

[Jay]

I have zero connection to Joyland or Playtech. I am what I said. You have heard from the casino and they we're polite. IMO, you people are lucky you got your $500 back. Grow up!

Go back home to yor buddies and find another scam. This leak has been plugged.

NO MORE FREE MONEY!

I know why I'M emotional about this situation.

What I can't understand is why YOU'D be so emotional about it, so eager to jump in and defend every fraudelent action of the casino as being so great and honest. According to your claims, you're basically a poker player who frequents BW looking for poker bonuses to play, and who occasionally reads the casino side as well. You also apparently hang out here at the CM forums (though you're newly registered under this anonymous identity).

Nothing in that profile corresponds with someone who leaps into this thread screaming that all the "comped" players are thieves who should be added to CM's "evil players" list. Certainly there are dozens of other people around here with the profile you claim to have, and none of them, not even JohnGalt, have taken the position that Joyland is Infallible. Only you and Joyland itself. And Joyland's own posts here can easily be shown to contain lies on the subject (e.g. their "posted comp point rate" has always said that it depends on your VIP level.. It didn't give a specific rate as claimed here)

Your claim that you're a BW regular (who posted there only "two hours ago" recently) is certainly easy enough to prove... right?

 

[raol]

Your claim that you're a BW regular (who posted there only "two hours ago" recently) is certainly easy enough to prove... right?

Yeah... come on qazwsx, give your BW username and let CM and BW cross-check your IP:s. Or if you don't want to reveal you BW identity in public, send a PM to CM and a moderator at BW. I'm sure they'll be more than willing to help out in verifying that your claim is correct.

Or.. CM, if you send his IP to someone in the management at BW, maybe they can check if there is a user with this IP over there.

 

[Vesuvio]

You have heard from the casino and they we're polite.

Freudian slip?

 

[ElDuderino]

I have zero connection to Joyland or Playtech. I am what I said. You have heard from the casino and they we're polite. IMO, you people are lucky you got your $500 back. Grow up!

Go back home to yor buddies and find another scam. This leak has been plugged.

NO MORE FREE MONEY!

This guy's mangling of grammar is EERILY similiar to the Joyland casino rep who posted in this thread and the limited e-mail contact I've had from Joyland, and I'm DEAD serious.

 

[scrollock]

This guy's mangling of grammar is EERILY similiar to the Joyland casino rep who posted in this thread and the limited e-mail contact I've had from Joyland, and I'm DEAD serious.

the numeracy is the same aswell

as posted by joyland rep:

"We had a player, who used a weird way of gambling. He was playing roulette, and his wager was Black-Red and 0 (Green) at the highest possible bet he could place. I am not sure what can be won this way, but he sure wagered enough to convert quite a lot of comp points."

Even with the benefit of hindsight, they still can't figure what has gone on, except that the points system was being too generous. (incidently this is further proof that the comp point rate was set at the level it was intended).

 

[qazwsx]

Or.. CM, if you send his IP to someone in the management at BW, maybe they can check if there is a user with this IP over there.

Hey fool! If I wanted my posting name from Bonuswhores or Casinomeister or RGP used here, I would not have made this account. I made it because I knew it was going to be 50 against 1.

I wish to use the forums in the future under my real name, especially this one, but knew I would never be able to discuss my opinion in the future without losing credibility because of this thread. You have proven this in your zeal to match the IP's.

I can't stop either Webmaster from comparing my information, but I would think that non-thieves would want to stick to the topic at hand, not my identity.

 

[andrew26]

I would never be able to discuss my opinion in the future without losing credibility because of this thread.

Ha.

That's the first thing you have said that makes ANY sense.

 

[Annorax]

Hey fool! If I wanted my posting name from Bonuswhores or Casinomeister or RGP used here, I would not have made this account. I made it because I knew it was going to be 50 against 1.

I wish to use the forums in the future under my real name, especially this one, but knew I would never be able to discuss my opinion in the future without losing credibility because of this thread. You have proven this in your zeal to match the IP's.

I can't stop either Webmaster from comparing my information, but I would think that non-thieves would want to stick to the topic at hand, not my identity.

Non-thieves want to know once and for all whether you're a Joyland employee, a clueless monkey, or a troll. My money's on "all of the above"

 

[Jay]

Hey fool! If I wanted my posting name from Bonuswhores or Casinomeister or RGP used here, I would not have made this account. I made it because I knew it was going to be 50 against 1.

I wish to use the forums in the future under my real name, especially this one, but knew I would never be able to discuss my opinion in the future without losing credibility because of this thread. You have proven this in your zeal to match the IP's.

I can't stop either Webmaster from comparing my information, but I would think that non-thieves would want to stick to the topic at hand, not my identity.

So you have an account here, and then you created a second account solely so that you could call other CM forum members liars and thieves while you remained anonymous.

Wow, you're right, you clearly have higher morals than the rest of us. If I were running a forum, I'd ban someone who made multiple accounts like that. And then I'd warn people who run other forums about him.