Pinababy69
RIP Lisa
- Joined
- Oct 15, 2004
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario - Canada
Firstly, I apologize for starting this thread in this particular forum. Simmo or Bryan, please move it to the appropriate forum if this is totally inappropriate. I probably would have put it in the Webmaster's section, but don't have access to post there. Seeing as it is a question directly related to the ongoing JF mess, I put it here so that the threads would be "together".
In doing a quick surf of various gambling portals and forums this morning, it simply astounds me how many webmasters and forum owners are still actively promoting, in some cases, downright pushing, Jackpot Factory.
It occurs to me that all the ECogra rulings and roguings in the world can't really hit Jackpot Factory where it hurts, and that is in the pocketbook. As long as affiliates continue to promote them and send them new players, I'm sure the powers that be at JF are laughing at all of us.
10 or 20 or even 100 individual casino players closing their accounts just doesn't make an impact. What does make an impact is a high profile webmaster who sends alot of new players their way refusing to promote them any longer, and thus cutting off their supply.
I visited the CAP (Casino Affiliate Programs) forum last night, still not even a mention of this posted there. Not one word. And this is the largest collection of high profile affiliates on the Web. I find it almost impossible to believe that they are not aware of this.
On the bright side, I have seen some positives. Webzcas, I visited your site, and while I still see JF banners, I see you have them redirecting to Roxy Palace. Thumbs up for doing the right thing. Simmo's site has the JF casinos still on his list, however he has them all crossed out, and big red letters informing everyone that they have been rogued at CM for unethical marketing practices. I like that idea. My friend Krypto who posted here the other day runs an EZBoard gambling forum, but what I consider to be one of the few good ones. Upon learning of this, she immediately erased every trace of them from her site, and closed all current promos she had running with them.
On the negative side, a high profile site such as WinnerOnline, still has their 400% promos plastered all over the main page. And even worse, everytime I go there, I get an exit popup which directs me to All Jackpots when I leave. They do however at least have a thread dedicated to this subject in their forum. GrandMaster, I have to ask you a question. Given your feelings on this whole matter, and from your posts, it appears they are as strong as mine, how do you feel about being a part of a site that still pushes this group? I totally understand you have zero control over what gets promoted, just asking for a personal opinion. If it were up to you, would you pull their advertising? I may just write to Jeff myself and ask him for a comment from the horse's mouth.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that these are purely business decisions being made here, and in some cases there is alot of possible revenue on the line. I guess what I'm trying to get at, is, where do you draw the line? I know you can't fight greed, it's one of the seven deadly sins, and sadly human nature. But at what point does money override all other moral and ethical considerations?
I didn't start this thread to start a new round of bashing. I'm truly interested in hearing any feedback from anyone regarding their views on this. Preferably constructive, if that's possible.
In doing a quick surf of various gambling portals and forums this morning, it simply astounds me how many webmasters and forum owners are still actively promoting, in some cases, downright pushing, Jackpot Factory.
It occurs to me that all the ECogra rulings and roguings in the world can't really hit Jackpot Factory where it hurts, and that is in the pocketbook. As long as affiliates continue to promote them and send them new players, I'm sure the powers that be at JF are laughing at all of us.
10 or 20 or even 100 individual casino players closing their accounts just doesn't make an impact. What does make an impact is a high profile webmaster who sends alot of new players their way refusing to promote them any longer, and thus cutting off their supply.
I visited the CAP (Casino Affiliate Programs) forum last night, still not even a mention of this posted there. Not one word. And this is the largest collection of high profile affiliates on the Web. I find it almost impossible to believe that they are not aware of this.
On the bright side, I have seen some positives. Webzcas, I visited your site, and while I still see JF banners, I see you have them redirecting to Roxy Palace. Thumbs up for doing the right thing. Simmo's site has the JF casinos still on his list, however he has them all crossed out, and big red letters informing everyone that they have been rogued at CM for unethical marketing practices. I like that idea. My friend Krypto who posted here the other day runs an EZBoard gambling forum, but what I consider to be one of the few good ones. Upon learning of this, she immediately erased every trace of them from her site, and closed all current promos she had running with them.
On the negative side, a high profile site such as WinnerOnline, still has their 400% promos plastered all over the main page. And even worse, everytime I go there, I get an exit popup which directs me to All Jackpots when I leave. They do however at least have a thread dedicated to this subject in their forum. GrandMaster, I have to ask you a question. Given your feelings on this whole matter, and from your posts, it appears they are as strong as mine, how do you feel about being a part of a site that still pushes this group? I totally understand you have zero control over what gets promoted, just asking for a personal opinion. If it were up to you, would you pull their advertising? I may just write to Jeff myself and ask him for a comment from the horse's mouth.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that these are purely business decisions being made here, and in some cases there is alot of possible revenue on the line. I guess what I'm trying to get at, is, where do you draw the line? I know you can't fight greed, it's one of the seven deadly sins, and sadly human nature. But at what point does money override all other moral and ethical considerations?
I didn't start this thread to start a new round of bashing. I'm truly interested in hearing any feedback from anyone regarding their views on this. Preferably constructive, if that's possible.