Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
Joined
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Location
Toronto, Ontario - Canada
Renegade, there are a couple of threads here re: CD Poker. I wouldn't promote them personally, but I don't know that much about them. Why don't you do a "search" at the top there and see what you come up with. There should be at least two threads that I know of.

Shows you what I know, I didn't even realize that GFed had been rogued. Fat lot of good I am. :oops:
 

Renegade

Dormant account
Joined
May 13, 2006
Location
USA
Ok mucullus, So what do you want me to do about this????
Scrap My own casino????
The Malware is uncalled for, and has been removed to the best of my knowledge.
I had no partaking in that whatsoever.
I do thank you for pointing that out to me, I just don't know what you expect me to do?
I try and run a tight ship...My concerns have always been to the players.
I try my utmost best to only promote sites that do not :xxx players.
That is my stance....
 

Renegade

Dormant account
Joined
May 13, 2006
Location
USA
It's ok Pina, I didn't know either..
But alas, I have a g-fed casino, for better or for worse...G-Fed is my parent company.
If Byran, god forbid, decides to add my site to the list with G-fed, then I must accept that.

But this is in noway, shape or form, an indication that my views and honestly are not for the players.
 
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Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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Location
Toronto, Ontario - Canada
I'm going to dredge up this topic yet again, because I think it is vitally important. Until such a point when affiliates/webmasters/portal owners decide to band together and hit these casinos where it hurts (in the pocketbook), all the eCOGRA rulings/suspensions in the world are merely a start. They've done their part, and I've seen quite a few affiliates calling for them to do exactly what they've done.

So now it's time to step up to the plate and do your part too. As mentioned previously, there are some encouraging signs from some very prominent webmasters. I'd like to add Gonegambling to that list. I visited their site this morning, and found nary a trace of any Jackpot Factory casino. Thanks Deb and John, big thumbs up!! :thumbsup:

On the downside, a huge portal such as WinnerOnline is still laden with with signup offers for all of their casinos, on their main page. A small bright note, on my last visit there, the exit popup leading to All Jackpots seems to be gone for the time being. That's a start.

On reading CAP, it seems that the affiliates there are about split..some have taken down their advertising, while others don't seem to think it's a big deal. They've commented how Lloyd (the affiliate manager) has always treated them well, and their players have always been looked after. Nothing against Lloyd, he is a great affiliate manager I'm sure. But really, that's not what this issue is about.

I guess what I find most disheartening is that the ONLY time I've ever seen affiliates band together and take decisive action, is when their own income is directly affected. Case in point, HR4777. I agree that it was and still is a most important issue, and should demand the attention of EVERYONE involved in online gaming. But anyone who can't see the big picture involved with this issue, just doesn't get it. This will affect your income when the anti-gaming lobbyists in Washington get wind of it. And then you are going to wish that you HAD taken more decisive action, and gone so far as to condemn this group, rather than continuing to promote them. If you guys don't see this, I don't know how in the world to make you understand, I really don't. So keep on promoting JF, and when Goodlatte brings up this issue while trying to garner support for his bill, don't say you haven't been warned. All of this is of course, JMO....all one and a half cents worth.
 

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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Location
Toronto, Ontario - Canada
rowmare said:
How likely is it that one mischevious employee can publish anything to their website without permission from higher-ups?

Not very.

Even if it were possible that such a breach did occur, it isn't likely that it would have remained online another day once management was made aware of it.

IMO they pushed the envelope willingly, got caught, and are now backtracking only because of subsequent pressure.

This scenario happens all too frequently in this business.

Hi Row, haven't seen you in a while. On a real quick perusal of your site, I see both All Jackpots and Wildjack on your main page. Just wondering if you plan to take them down? I know that sometimes these things can't happen immediately, and I'm really not trying to put anyone on the spot, but I have to ask. Given your comments above, it would seem that you do condemn the casino's actions.
 

sdaddy

Meister Member
Joined
Feb 18, 2005
Location
Arizona
Talk about irresponsible. There is an article posted today at Online Casino News about the recent "certification" given to Jackpot Factory by the casino portal Online Gambling Insider (www.online-gambling-insider.com). Also, shame on OCN for publishing this.

http://www.onlinecasinonews.com/ocnv2_1/article/article.asp?id=10706
Online Casino Receives Certification
By Andrew B

The Jackpot Factory Group has paid out more than $4 billion to players since its launch in 1999 and it's not just their customers who are celebrating after the group has been fully certified by the independent industry portal, Online Gambling Insider.

Already a holder of the coveted eCOGRA (eCommerce and Online Gaming Regulation and Assurance) seal, the casinos reputation is sure to be further enhanced by this latest announcement.

The group had to pass a strict examination to achieve certification. The most important factor taken into account when awarding a certificate is the player experience. Online Gambling Insider staff test each casino as real players, and over a period of time, every aspect of the casino or poker room's operation is experienced first hand.

Ryan D, editor and founder of Online Gambling Insider, said, 'The eCOGRA seal is a very important indicator of the integrity and fair gaming principles that an online casino subscribes to, and it is no surprise that The Jackpot Factory passed the necessary tests to receive seals for its casinos and poker room.'

The certification extends right a cross the Jackpot Factory group and means that in all four casinos and the poker room players are protected up to a maximum of $1,000 in deposits, should they ever have a problem.
 

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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Location
Toronto, Ontario - Canada
Thanks sdaddy. I would assume this webmaster has an email addy on their site? I'll go take a look.
 

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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Location
Toronto, Ontario - Canada
Another letter sent. And for those of you who think I'm probably wasting my time, you're more than likely right. However, the way I look at is....if I send ten or twenty letters to high ranking websites, and even one of them has second thoughts, and pulls the advertising for these rogues...that to me is a victory.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lisa xxxxx
To: webmaster@online-gambling-insider.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:38 PM
Subject: "Online Gambling Insider contact"


Hello,

Your website was brought to my attention via a poster on Casinomeister's forum.

Upon visiting today, not only was I disturbed by the heavy advertising in place for Jackpot Factory casinos, but incredibly amazed that you go so far as to advertise All Slots as your "Casino Of The Month".

Are you aware of what is going on with Jackpot Factory? Are you aware of the sleazy marketing campaign they have been caught partaking in? They have directly targeted several groups of disadvantaged people (ie. elderly, poor, suicidal, depressed, ADHD sufferers, breast cancer patients, etc.), all in hopes of garnering increased search engine hits. I do not know you how you feel about such tactics, but I find this disgusting and reprehensible.

Furthermore, eCOGRA has suspended their seals pending further investigation. At the very least, they should be removed from your list of eCOGRA certified casinos.

Should you wish to further avail yourself of the full details, you can read about it by clicking this link.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/jackpot-factorys-inspirational-stories.12659/

I can only hope that you as a responsible webmaster would take this issue very seriously, especially given the current situation with online gaming and the US attempting to ban same. This only gives the anti-gaming lobbyists further ammunition to use, and it needs to be shown that responsible people are at the forefront of this industry, and will not tolerate this behaviour.

Kind Regards,

Lisa xxxxx
 

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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I have heard back from the webmaster who runs the site Online-Gambling-Insider.com. They are aware of the situation, and do take it very seriously. They have for now agreed to remove All Slots as their featured casino, and are working on removing some references to JF on their homepage. They do read here, and if they read this, I'd like to say a very public thank you!! :thumbsup:

So, if anyone is wondering what they can do to help, if they are so inclined, it wouldn't hurt to send a few emails to prominent webmasters, politely inquiring if they are aware of the situation. JMO.

Edited to change the site name...sorry. Very important to give credit to the appropriate person.
 
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sdaddy

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Location
Arizona
Pinababy69 said:
Another letter sent. And for those of you who think I'm probably wasting my time, you're more than likely right. However, the way I look at is....if I send ten or twenty letters to high ranking websites, and even one of them has second thoughts, and pulls the advertising for these rogues...that to me is a victory.
I say, stay on it, Pinababy. This is a very important issue, and your tenacity is to be commended.:notworthy
 

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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Thank you for bringing that particular site to my attention sdaddy. :thumbsup:
 

CYBIL

Dormant account
Joined
Jun 7, 2006
Location
North Carolina
Pina since you are so upset over this, will you no longer be running your 32 red sponsorship on a site that is promoting Jackpot Factory right now? They have an ongoing contest as we speak and you just closed your 32 red contest not even a few days ago, Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

Also I see they promote another rogue group of casinos the Grand Prive and if I remember not too long ago you were entering contest and depositing there after they were rogued!

There are affiliates that are not in it for the money, there are some that dropped Grand Prive before they were rogued and took a nice hefty cut I am sure to stand up for players.

I think your being a hypocrite and should come down off your soapbox!
 

Scooter7

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Location
Toronto
I love the smell of a first post troll in the morning

CYBIL said:
Pina since you are so upset over this, will you no longer be running your 32 red sponsorship on a site that is promoting Jackpot Factory right now? They have an ongoing contest as we speak and you just closed your 32 red contest not even a few days ago, Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

Also I see they promote another rogue group of casinos the Grand Prive and if I remember not too long ago you were entering contest and depositing there after they were rogued!

There are affiliates that are not in it for the money, there are some that dropped Grand Prive before they were rogued and took a nice hefty cut I am sure to stand up for players.

I think your being a hypocrite and should come down off your soapbox!

1. You obviously haven't read all the threads relating to this issue. If you had, you would see that Pina is extremely pro-active with regards to this topic.

2. How much action each person takes or doesn't take with regards to 'sending a message' to operators is a personal choice. None of us have the right to force our will on the rest of the group.

3. I'm so glad your very first post ever on the account you registered today was so warm and friendly. I'm sure you've made a lovely first impression with everyone. For your next post, why don't you tell Simmo how little he knows about slot machines?:rolleyes: :machinegu
 

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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Location
Toronto, Ontario - Canada
CYBIL said:
Pina since you are so upset over this, will you no longer be running your 32 red sponsorship on a site that is promoting Jackpot Factory right now? They have an ongoing contest as we speak and you just closed your 32 red contest not even a few days ago, Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

Also I see they promote another rogue group of casinos the Grand Prive and if I remember not too long ago you were entering contest and depositing there after they were rogued!

There are affiliates that are not in it for the money, there are some that dropped Grand Prive before they were rogued and took a nice hefty cut I am sure to stand up for players.

I think your being a hypocrite and should come down off your soapbox!

All of my 32Red banners etc. have been removed from that site, by me. You really should learn what the hell you're talking about before you shoot your mouth off. I can't control what they do, but I can control what I do. My stuff is gone from there and has been for close to a week.

But thanks for your concern. :D
 

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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Location
Toronto, Ontario - Canada
For Cybil

I don't usually share correspondence with a casino, but since this is what I sent to them, and not the other way around, I figure it's okay, and it is only an excerpt. Wow, have I hit some nerves haven't I? That's a good thing. And for the record Cybil, the only hypocrites are the ones who continue to promote these casinos, in spite of what they've done. And actually have the gall to say they believe the ridiculous statements being made by JF.

From: Lisa [mailto:pinababy69@hotmail.com]
Sent: 02 June 2006 15:38
To: Lee Simmonds
Subject: Cadillac Jack's Contest



Hi Lee,

I am sending you this info now, get to it when you can. I have closed the contest. I actually had been going to extend it for another week because it went up later in May, but I really don't think it would have made much of a difference. Added in my decision was the fact that the casinos of choice right now on EZBoard seem to be Jackpot Factory, and given their latest marketing ploy and their roguing at CM, I refuse to even put up a banner for 32Red on the same page as them. I'm a bit obsessive about stuff like that.

So there ya go Cybil, June 2nd, I made the decision to remove all traces of 32Red, seeing as I didn't want them associated with JF. :D
 

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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Just to clarify one other point. The Grand Prive banners went up AFTER I removed my 32Red material. Again, I had no control over that, they are not mine. More importantly, that is a separate issue and should not be allowed to cloud this one, which in case anyone has forgotten, is Jackpot Factory and their disgusting marketing tactics.

You've only strengthened my resolve, so thanks for that. :)
 

bb1webs

Webmaster
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Apr 4, 2005
Location
BondedCasinos.com
Hi,

perhaps I missed something but as I understand things, all JF did that has everyone upset is to have made a bad decision on who they hired for their SEO.

that could happen to anybody. And while I don't claim to know a lot about SEO, it seems to me that there surely couldn't be that much quality traffic derived from the sort of keywords/phrases which were targeted by the idiot who did the SEO.

JF has aknowledged the situation and made efforts to make things right. Whether they dragged their feet or not is in my opinion each individual's interpretation of the situation. One must remember that in these cases there are often more than one person involved in the decison making process and therefore time must be allowed for the process to make its rounds and then after the decision has been confirmed, time allowed for the changes to take place.

I know this won't sit well with some folks here, but in my opinion if this is the worst JF has ever done, they're still a long ways ahead of a lot of places.

Frankly I'm surprised there has been so much controversy raised over this matter. Has anyone that is owed money not been paid? Was there evidence of a game(s) which are rigged? Has JF refused to aknowledge the situation?

the answer to all three questions is no. While I am no big fan of bundling (which is SOP for the aff program of JF), and from an affiliate's pov, a very undesirable trait: my main concern has always been and will continue to be whether or not the player (the people who put their trust in my judgement) is 1. getting paid / fair games
2. getting decent customer service

Bad choices in who they hire in respect to their marketing and SEO approach is way, way down on my list as reason for not listing a casino.

The aff program (Lloyd) has taken responsibility for the matter and has taken steps to fix the problem. I don't know what more can be expected of them? Everybody makes mistakes. If you allow for the possibility that it might take some time for the management of JF to be made aware, then to make a decision, then to begin the process of making things right: I just don't see where they were so terribly awful?
 

Pinababy69

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BB1Webs, no offense, but why don't you read the last two or three pages of the main JF thread, stuff that's just been posted in the last hour. Then come back and tell me that JF had no knowledge of what was being done. Thanks.
 

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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Toronto, Ontario - Canada
bb1webs said:
Frankly I'm surprised there has been so much controversy raised over this matter. Has anyone that is owed money not been paid? Was there evidence of a game(s) which are rigged? Has JF refused to aknowledge the situation?

the answer to all three questions is no. While I am no big fan of bundling (which is SOP for the aff program of JF), and from an affiliate's pov, a very undesirable trait: my main concern has always been and will continue to be whether or not the player (the people who put their trust in my judgement) is 1. getting paid / fair games
2. getting decent customer service

If this is your sole criteria on judging whether a casino deserves to be promoted, then I'm banging my head against a wall here. The answer to your first two questions is no. The answer to the third is a resounding yes....they have totally failed to accept responsibility, instead choosing to blame this mess on outsourcing, and on one person.

As you'll see from the other thread, this was not the work of one person, and the same guy who owns Jackpot Factory, indeed owns the company (Spinspark) who hired lay people to write this crap. It all goes hand in hand, and for anyone to try and "spin" this into ignorance on behalf of this casino, is just insulting.

As to the terminology used in the articles, whether they got hits or not is irrelevant. The fact that anyone would make "light" of anyone suffering from cancer, depression, thoughts of suicide, financial worries, etc. is deplorable.
 
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