Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players

Ok, I haven't posted on this because I have not decided what to do yet.

Some random thoughts:

I have not had player complaints for this group, with the exeption of two that were my own fault because I had an outdated bonus listed on my site.

I have not had affiliate complaints for this group except about an accounting method - bundling - that many other programs share.

I have played there myself and found nothing to complain about.

The SEO work they contracted was totally assinine and the writer should be shot.

It was so stupid it would likely have harmed them more than done them good and y'all did them a big favor catching this.

I can't imagine anyone believing any of that BS about playing slots.

They did move quickly to get rid of that stuff.

It really was the worst, immoral, unethical and idiotic dribble I have ever seen.
 
The company that owns the firm who did all this crap, is the same company who owns Jackpot Factory.

so you're saying they didn't outsource, but rather an employee did this? That still doesn't really surprise me that upper management didn't know what the employee was doing.

of course I don't know for certain, but I imagine the web design/upkeep is done by someone different than the person who manages the casino side of things and if that is true then for me ... its no big step to believe that ONCE AGAIN (because I've harped about this very thing to Lloyd, and now its finally come back to really, really bite them in the ass) that poor (and obviously tardy) communication combined with lack of double-checking before opening mouth ... has put JF exactly in the position they find themselves.

but its just too hard for me to buy that the owner read (that crap) and said, "wow what a really good idea to target people who would likely have no money". because from where I sit I would confidently say that anybody who is going to read and believe the likes of ... "play our slots and you will become rich, famous, .... and bring back any loved ones from the dead you may desire ..." is not going to have any considerable sum of money lol.

what to me is more believable is that somebody said make a lot of pages that have casino-related keywords in them ... and you should try to make the text something that isn't total random sentences which combined have no real point besides being a bunch of words strung together with the casino keywords placed amongst them.

So then some (in their own mind) rocket scientist gets ahold of the reigns and starts writing and ... well lets face it: there are only so many subjects which one can cover that relate to gambling .... and apparently this is what you get when those subjects are diminished. :)

true, its not the direction I personally would have chosen to forge ahead; but I can see where it might have been somebody else's.

If it had been me ... I could see writing stuff like that just out of boredom, mistakenly thinking that nobody was ever going to read them anyway ... what lost in amongst all those other (somewhat more legit) pages.

at the time when the text is being created: keeping in mind its a task that has been ordered to be done over and over and over again, merely changing the words which are not keyword important ... that the person writing it is apt to think "who is really going to be reading this? shoot its not like its going on the front page of a site ... its a SEO-created page not one that is created for people to be actually reading it.

and surprise! turns out those pages do get read after all.

That to me just makes more sense; and combined with what i already know for a fact about the way they communicate it totally fits for me.
 
bb1webs said:
If it had been me ... I could see writing stuff like that just out of boredom, mistakenly thinking that nobody was ever going to read them anyway ... what lost in amongst all those other (somewhat more legit) pages.

Steve, have you read the other thread? They advertised for people to write this stuff, seriously. I'll find you the link, but it's on the last four or five pages of the thread. A company called Spinspark actually advertised for stay-at-home moms, etc. to send them "samples" to see what they could come up with.
 
dominique said:
Ok, I haven't posted on this because I have not decided what to do yet.

Some random thoughts:

I have not had player complaints for this group, with the exeption of two that were my own fault because I had an outdated bonus listed on my site.

I have not had affiliate complaints for this group except about an accounting method - bundling - that many other programs share.

I have played there myself and found nothing to complain about.

The SEO work they contracted was totally assinine and the writer should be shot.

It was so stupid it would likely have harmed them more than done them good and y'all did them a big favor catching this.

I can't imagine anyone believing any of that BS about playing slots.

They did move quickly to get rid of that stuff.

It really was the worst, immoral, unethical and idiotic dribble I have ever seen.


Re: Bold comments.

1. Quality of software and day to day customer service handling is a totally separate issue to the ethics issue that has rightly caused such an uproar. Barry Bonds and Rafael Palmiero are/were phenomenal baseball players, but they have both had their accomplishments tainted by steroid use accusations and/or proof. Great players, but people put a mental asterisk beside their achievements.

2. It's got nothing to do with belief or disbelief. People searching for information on serious issues are liable to be presented with completely off-topic gaming related material. Additionally, the people who would likely be making such a search are more likely to be easier targets to sell to. A good analogy would be setting up a crack-house near a junior high school. In fact, many U.S. cities have increased penalties for drug dealing in designated 'school zones' to protect those who are less likely to be able to protect themselves.

3. They said they were removing the offensive material, but forum members are finding and posting current links on a daily basis. Even if the JF rep was sincere about intending to remove the stories, the job isn't getting done.

I'm not flaming you here, just noting that you haven't made a decision on your personal course of action. If I can convince you to take a firmer stand on the issue, then I have succeeded in my personal course of action. I'm just a loud guy with a Don Quixote complex that writes reasonably well. :D
 
Hi again,

you know Pina I must have read the first 15 or 20 pages and then gave up because it was all or most was the same.

now after reading only a couple of pages (I think 30 and 31) ... well after reading that and viewing for instance ...

To: Job Applicant
From: Boaz Sassoon ("Vidal" to his friends)

Subject: Writing Sample


Dear Sir

Further to your recent application, please complete the following assignment in no more than twenty minutes.

You are required to write a brief story, about a one legged cross eyed leprosy sufferer who likes to play at All Slots casino. The more morally abhorrent and offensive the better.

It's important that whilst at the beginning of the story the main character seemingly has nowhere to turn, the introduction of All Slots casino should turn the characters life around and make everything better in the world and happy and rosy!

Please note: Extra credit will be given for indicating how playing at online casino's can prevent bankruptcy, unhappiness, criminal activity and death.

Good luck!

Boaz

It looks to me like from reading the above ... that they were shooting for a "tongue in cheek" approach ... much like some commercials you see on tv which make such outrageous and bold claims that nobody in their right mind would believe them .... and they didn't stop to think that since they are targeting the down on their luck that the outrageous claims might not be viewed as so outrageous: that they might actually believe.

Its just very hard for me to lend credibility to this whole situation since the text is so absurb.

Now that all said: even assuming they are guilty of knowingly using such tacky text: I don't have a big problem with them unless/until they don't pay somebody or their games are proven to not return random fair-odds results.

the thing is: is that if you are going to blacklist every program for having bad judgement, then in my opinion these programs are not only guilty of that: but also of intentionally setting out to break contracts they themselves made. And I'm speaking of Referback, Fortune and it seems like there was another,... oh I remember, and vegas partner. All three tried to change terms retroactively on contracts they held with us affiliates. In each case the programs were called on their actions and eventually (after considerable hell being raised) they made things right. And in my opinion breaking contracts is much worse than a tacky SEO campaign.

That is just a sample. Nearly every program at one time or another has been way out of line and then when we affiliates called them on it: they changed things back or made them right and affiliates kept on promoting them.

I have considered this heavily long before this issue ever came up and I came to the conclusion that if I wanted to have anything to list on my sites that i was gonna have to come down off my high horse .... so to speak.

That was when I decided to look for the most important aspects of a program and judge it accordingly ... from strictly a player's standpoint. Because ultimately that is what the player is concerned about.

And what is a player's biggest concern? Is it the casino's standing amongst the community (ie - whether or not the casino is using questionable SEO tactics), or is it that the player gets a fair-odds game and then IF able to beat the odds, get paid?

of course that answers itself.

JF's aff program doesn't do me any favors. That's why i only list them on the page where I list all the casinos i promote. they enjoy almost no other exposure.

But I can't see blacklisting them for this matter, as unsavory as it may be.

It would be different if they hadn't agreed to take down the offensive material. That would be a no-brainer reason.

But they've aknowledged and taken full responsibility for the matter, and as long as I don't find out they are still up to no-good a month from now; I won't be taking them down.

But I totally respect anybody else's decision to do so.
 
... oh boy, my friend BB (long time no see!)

You better slow down and read again. That quote you made above was a post by someone making FUN of JF...

... and you know I wouldn't say this if I didn't mean it - but the proverbial garden path comes to mind. You are either being led wildly astray, or you have let your thinking be completely distracted by something else.

Please - for your own sake - study the evidence at hand.
 
We also now have an indicator that JF may have been economical with the truth in its original reaction to this debacle, in which it claimed that the SEO work at the root of this evil was outsourced:

Quote from PinaBaby, substantiated by some cool sleuthing recently:

QUOTE:The company that owns the firm who did all this crap, is the same company who owns Jackpot Factory. End of story for me. UNQUOTE
 
I guess I am missing something Spear. *(its been a long couple of weeks. My grandfather passed away 2 days ago, and for the last 2 weeks I've been sitting up nights with him and then someone else took over for me in the mornings, but its still been a strain. so I admit I'm a bit off my usual.)

thus the reason you or anybody hasn't seen me around much lately.

Anyway, as I understand it, JF has created a bunch of SEO pages with silly text like ... play at allslots and win and you can dump your wife-beating husband, or we guarantee you will win and become rich by playing at allslots .

or stuff to that effect. Completely absurb text stuffed with keywords in an attempt to get some free traffic.

and then when caught although they took responsibility for the situation: they took too long to take down the offending pages.

what else am I missing?

I mean I admit its sleazy stuff but why doesn't JF deserve the same benefit of doubt that has often times been given to other programs which after being caught doing something questionable and they give some lame excuse? Unless somebody has positive proof that a decision was made by the upper management of JF to go ahead with this SEO campaign ... then when they claim not to have known, whether it was their company or somebody else's,... I just don't see where they don't deserve the same benefit of doubt as everybody else.

but I'll get some sleep and come back tomorrow and sort through this all again.

sorry if I was so off the mark.
 
bb1webs said:
I guess I am missing something Spear. *(its been a long couple of weeks. My grandfather passed away 2 days ago, and for the last 2 weeks I've been sitting up nights with him and then someone else took over for me in the mornings, but its still been a strain. so I admit I'm a bit off my usual.)

Sorry to hear that; my condolences.

Anyway, as I understand it, JF has created a bunch of SEO pages with silly text like ... play at allslots and win and you can dump your wife-beating husband, or we guarantee you will win and become rich by playing at allslots .

or stuff to that effect. Completely absurb text stuffed with keywords in an attempt to get some free traffic.

No one has any argument with reasonable attempts to gain more traffic. However, the issue here is that they deliberately and maliciously targeted vulnerable people, and went out of their way to try and trick people into believing that they could get rich by playing online casinos.

I mean I admit its sleazy stuff but why doesn't JF deserve the same benefit of doubt that has often times been given to other programs which after being caught doing something questionable and they give some lame excuse? Unless somebody has positive proof that a decision was made by the upper management of JF to go ahead with this SEO campaign ... then when they claim not to have known, whether it was their company or somebody else's,... I just don't see where they don't deserve the same benefit of doubt as everybody else.

My question to you is - how in the world could anyone believe that this huge, malicious campaign could have been done WITHOUT the knowledge of the management? And not only that, how could it have gone unnoticed so long without them knowing?

Obviously the scale of this campaign alone makes it quite difficult to believe that it was a rogue employee.

Now - based on the evidence alone - it is very hard to believe their explanation in the first place. Naturally, I automatically checked with a number of other sources - and there is nothing to substantiate their claim that it was a rogue employee or employees that caused this problem.

Any other information I have is speculation - and typically confidential - but the sources are highly reliable in my opinion. I have not spoken of any of this additional information because I believe the truth will come out anyhow. And nearly all the evidence here has been gathered by other parties.

So, for me, it's simply a matter of putting two and two together. YMMV.
 
Steve, my condolences on your loss.

Losing someone is not funny, nor something to be made fun of. It is a very real, very sad, part of life. My sympathies to you.
 
henryVIII said:
That is very true though Im sure nobody was!?:confused:

I was not referring to anyone here Henry, I was referring to Jackpot Factory "making light" of death, among many other of life's sad conditions.
 
People

I'd like to think people wouldn't believe this crap, but they are seeing maybe one of these pages during a search (like for making extra income online), so ???

People believe what they want to believe. My elderly mother-in-law finally got busted by my husband and he had to start reading her mail because she was buying books and magazine subscriptions that she and no one else in the family really wanted or needed, just because she got all that special mail from Reader's Digest and Publisher's Clearinghouse that she was going to win. She'd call up her boys and tell them to be at her house when they had the live drawing for Pub. Cl. because she really thought she was going to win.

That stuff from JF is there to generate hits from searches by hopefully gullible people. Period.
 
Ivy29 said:
That stuff from JF is there to generate hits from searches by hopefully gullible people. Period.

I absolutely agree Ivy. Unfortunately, to attain that objective, they have (in my mind) made light of or poked fun at some of the saddest human conditions. And that will never be right or acceptable, for any reason.
 
A bit reluctant to post this as the concept is not in the best of taste.

But here we go.

What if someone suggested to bb1webs that he would feel much better indeed feel positively cheerful after his loss if only he would start playing slots at Allslots casino. How would bb1webs feel? Pretty outraged I expect.

This group has been doing this all over the web to heaven knows how many people.

How could any reasonable person at this group credibly claim they had somehow not appreciated this effect!

Mitch
 
bb1webs said:
I guess I am missing something Spear. *(its been a long couple of weeks. My grandfather passed away 2 days ago, and for the last 2 weeks I've been sitting up nights with him and then someone else took over for me in the mornings, but its still been a strain. so I admit I'm a bit off my usual.)

My condolences to you on your loss.


Please don't inform Boaz or JF. They'll write a story about it to entice you to play
 
Pinababy69 said:
I was not referring to anyone here Henry, I was referring to Jackpot Factory "making light" of death, among many other of life's sad conditions.

Yes, quite apt, it kind of makes this even more pertinent in a way.
 
Just A Heads Up

I just happened to see a post in the Webmaster's section by a guy who wanted link exchanges with his site...mobilemicrogaming.com, which of course promotes who else but JF, Wildjack in particular. Well, it turns out that the affiliate program for this particular sector of the casinos is a company called Spinshare. Nifty combo of Brightshare and Spinspark.


Registrant:
Spinspark Ltd
1st Floor Exchange House,
54-58 Athol Street
Douglas, Isle Of Man IM1 1JD
GB
44 1624-625330


Domain Name: SPINSHARE.COM


I know there are some who would probably run to sign up as an affiliate and promote something new, but for those who want NOTHING to do with JF, this is just a heads up.
 
I'm not sure if the guy who runs this mobilemicrogaming.com works for Jackpot Factory, or is simply a webmaster who is an affiliate. I don't see any affiliate "links" on his site, but the domain doesn't trace to Spiral or Spinspark or Spinshare. Maybe someone else can have a look at it? Anyway, my point was really just to let people know about Spinshare.
 
eCogra Seal

I checked out quite a few websites today to see who is advertising JF, where the placement is, are reviews up to date...that type of thing. One thing I found slightly disturbing is that ALOT of sites are still advertising all the JF casinos as holding the Seal of Approval from eCOGRA. It's been eight days since eCOGRA's statement. At the very least, shouldn't the reviews of these casinos be amended to correctly reflect their current standing with eCOGRA. How difficult is it to delete a couple of lines of text? Seems awfully misleading to me to send players there telling them that the casinos are eCOGRA approved when in fact they are not.
 

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