Question Is this possible? Or am I crazy?

luck17

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Is it possible for a casino can set the balance amount a player is allowed to win on slots??

I have played slots for a long time now, and deposit regularly at Ignition Casino. The last two months it seems like the slots play to a certain amount and then lose. Even when I switch slots, I get to around that same number (maybe a dollar more or less) about three times, and eventually lose. The few times I have gotten my balance over $100+, I can switch slots, get to $10 and still wind end getting around the same $100+ balance no matter what slot I am playing.

It seems like Ignition sets the balance amount allowed to win on slots. The reason I have taken notice of this is due to the days I have won something. I seem to not be able to lose no matter what slot game I play.
 

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Is it possible for a casino can set the balance amount a player is allowed to win on slots??

I have played slots for a long time now, and deposit regularly at Ignition Casino. The last two months it seems like the slots play to a certain amount and then lose. Even when I switch slots, I get to around that same number (maybe a dollar more or less) about three times, and eventually lose. The few times I have gotten my balance over $100+, I can switch slots, get to $10 and still wind end getting around the same $100+ balance no matter what slot I am playing.

It seems like Ignition sets the balance amount allowed to win on slots. The reason I have taken notice of this is due to the days I have won something. I seem to not be able to lose no matter what slot game I play.
Yes there is definitely more to it than meets the eye.I think everything that occurs is totally contrived(to each of us individually).Firstly there is not a chance slots are random in the true sense of the word.They have hot streaks and more often than not cold streaks. This is obvious when you consider some days you trigger bonuses more often than you thought possible but more often than not you can't trigger 1 for love nor money. Personally I find if you are on a going day you win almost immediately and you know the force is with you.On the flip side when it's not you get the feeling it's not going to turn around and 99% of the time you are right.If there was the slightest chance they were random these patterns would not be predictable(but they are). .Here is another thing I can't help but notice.If you sign up to a new casino and take the welcome bonus how many times do you bust out almost straight away?Personally I would say very rarely.Thats because I believe you are set on a higher rtp than normal because let's face it the casino wants you to stay.If you bust out early you are very unlikely to stay or revisit.Your custom is vital to a casino succeeding given the choice out there nowadays. I believe you don't play the casino.The casino plays you.Yes I know the purists will be scoffing and calling this nonsense.They have their beliefs and these are mine.
 

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random is random is random.
Some of us work on beliefs and feelings, some of us go by maths, facts and game mechanics.
Check the ask me anything thread and make up your own mind. Nearly every point is addressed (and re-addressed) there.
Is there rogue software and dodgy casinos? Sure.
Do the big well established casinos/providers bother? There's no point. There's already a built in edge..the maths take care of it for them without them having to stress it.
 

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random is random is random.
Some of us work on beliefs and feelings, some of us go by maths, facts and game mechanics.
Check the ask me anything thread and make up your own mind. Nearly every point is addressed (and re-addressed) there.
Is there rogue software and dodgy casinos? Sure.
Do the big well established casinos/providers bother? There's no point. There's already a built in edge..the maths take care of it for them without them having to stress it.

I like your post and agree. But here is a interesting twist to this. How does the math make up that Videoslots does not end up getting all the winners and Casumo all the losers?

I know there is build in edge and lets say a slot on average has 95-96%.

How is it possible for each software provider to distribute the random luck across all casinos, as surely some would take a massive hit.

If it is really 100% random, then one casinos could be unlucky giving out all big wins on each slots offered? just my thoughts on it all :)
 

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Well, some casinos do have and have taken disastrous hits...some have even mentioned in these walls theyve removed certain high variance games due to this..luck of the draw really.
A casino could have a bad run of a lot of payouts and with a small base 'go tits up. Ones with larger bases I'd imagine can make up for those losses easier...and any, theoretically, over time, will recoup because of edge.
The things is, the providers don't distribute 'luck'..it falls where it may.
I'd gather that while a casino s happy for the exposure to pay out massive wins, someone in accounting is crushing a cup going sheeeeeeeee it
 

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Did you ever hear of a casino going bust because someone won to much?
 

snorky510238

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I like your post and agree. But here is a interesting twist to this. How does the math make up that Videoslots does not end up getting all the winners and Casumo all the losers?

I know there is build in edge and lets say a slot on average has 95-96%.

How is it possible for each software provider to distribute the random luck across all casinos, as surely some would take a massive hit.

If it is really 100% random, then one casinos could be unlucky giving out all big wins on each slots offered? just my thoughts on it all :)
The % payout is individual to each casino.they will all make the said margin.One casino does not compensate for another.
 

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random is random is random.
Some of us work on beliefs and feelings, some of us go by maths, facts and game mechanics.
Check the ask me anything thread and make up your own mind. Nearly every point is addressed (and re-addressed) there.
Is there rogue software and dodgy casinos? Sure.
Do the big well established casinos/providers bother? There's no point. There's already a built in edge..the maths take care of it for them without them having to stress it.


It's Random Random Random,even when they turn down the RTP by 5 points you just Randomly lose more
 

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shame they cant turn down the rtp so you lose more, but rather, license an rtp model to use (assuming said software comes in different models)
Yes according to TM I am sure 1 of his posts said games can have up to 3 different pay tables.
 

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Yes according to TM I am sure 1 of his posts said games can have up to 3 different pay tables.

Not all of them. For instance Netent and Microgaming offer the same for every casino. I believe it's just three providers that can offer different RTP, but still no casino can change it themselves. They have to ask the provider to do it.
The thing is that most casinos want to keep players happy and are offering the highest rtp anyway. If not, then I would say it's a casino that doesn't have enough funds.
The same goes for all casinos that are having a lot of games restricted when playing with a bonus, or a max cashout when playing with a bonus. Those are the casinos that could go bust, and often do.
It pops up new casinos each day that wants to try and don't make it.
 

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If a casino goes bust it won't be because their slots paid out to much that's for sure.
 

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If you sign up to a new casino and take the welcome bonus how many times do you bust out almost straight away?Personally I would say very rarely.Thats because I believe you are set on a higher rtp than normal because let's face it the casino wants you to stay.

Let me ASSURE you, if I applied a higher RTP to the first deposit bonus to 'let players win so they keep coming back' I would not have a job and TradaCasino would have gone under within a month.

It is absolutely impossible for a casino to influence the RTP for individual players, impossible. Stop playing at online casinos forever if you truly believe what you have typed

Rachel.
 

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If a casino goes bust it won't be because their slots paid out to much that's for sure.

Slots achieve their RTP over time, underfunded casinos can easily get into bother if their games pay out too much too early. It's been explained here numerous times. RTP swings both ways, if casino's games pay out 105% then obviously casino must be ready to cover the losses for that period. Of course, they'll get it back maybe next month or so...you get the idea.
 

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As I said in previous threads that have been similar. I believe that all your doing is giving yourself cognitive distortions. We look for patterns because we are human. And then when these patterns keep repeating themselves we then believe they are even more true. When I can tell you that they are not.

Casinos have no control over the RTP. The only organisations that do are the slot providers that make the slots. And they have to have the RTP set at above 86% or higher.

Yes RTG is known to have lower than that and they can change the RTP for slots. But as I said casinos have no control over it. So why not just actually stop playing if you can not stop giving yourself cognitive distortions, because it is not good for you to keep doing it. You will just go stir crazy. If you enjoy gambling and you only gamble what you can afford to lose. Then all good. Stop looking for reasons that slots are rigged. RTP is wrong etc etc.
 

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Each server comes into play for each casino . there is no way that any casino is all into one as such with results from one main server as such , i would think each casino has a unique id & server for itself , this would make logical sense to me , maybe Rachel could answer this question ?? i doubt many reps or casinos can tell you how this works or want to answer that question.

anything is possible online its a program at the end of the day, its not to say that most casinos would or could do this , but i wouldn't trust any casino 100% due to many unanswered questions .

Look at latest thread with a slot paying way over what it should , it can show you the pays but deliver nothing in real funds. if it was not for a few members here & tin foil hatters it would of swept under the carpet )
 

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I like your post and agree. But here is a interesting twist to this. How does the math make up that Videoslots does not end up getting all the winners and Casumo all the losers?

I know there is build in edge and lets say a slot on average has 95-96%.

How is it possible for each software provider to distribute the random luck across all casinos, as surely some would take a massive hit.

If it is really 100% random, then one casinos could be unlucky giving out all big wins on each slots offered? just my thoughts on it all :)

This is an excellent point and something I've asked in the past but don't think I ever got answered.

I've pretty much retired my foil hat these days (finally!) but always pondered this one??????
 

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Ok, thank you all for your responses. I just feel that at Ignition Casino that since the new year, the RTPs have changed. For the months prior, my deposit and withdrawal totals were much closer and that winning was sincerely random. The last two months, the slots literally do not win for 2 weeks and then one day, you cannot lose. This happens no matter what slot game I play.

My total deposits in 2018 (thru March 2):
TOTAL DEPOSITS: $6317.55
TOTAL WITHDRAWAL: $3430

Withdrawal = 6 total
January 1 - $800
January 5 - $400
January 18 - $630
Feb. 3 - $700
Feb. 17 - $600
Feb. 28 - $300

Don't the withdrawals seen too ordered?

And on the other days I play, which is daily, I cannot get my balance over $50. I always deposit between $20 - $50, as my bitcoin wallet limits me to smaller amounts.
 

snorky510238

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Ok, thank you all for your responses. I just feel that at Ignition Casino that since the new year, the RTPs have changed. For the months prior, my deposit and withdrawal totals were much closer and that winning was sincerely random. The last two months, the slots literally do not win for 2 weeks and then one day, you cannot lose. This happens no matter what slot game I play.

My total deposits in 2018 (thru March 2):
TOTAL DEPOSITS: $6317.55
TOTAL WITHDRAWAL: $3430

Withdrawal = 6 total
January 1 - $800
January 5 - $400
January 18 - $630
Feb. 3 - $700
Feb. 17 - $600
Feb. 28 - $300

Don't the withdrawals seen too ordered?

And on the other days I play, which is daily, I cannot get my balance over $50. I always deposit between $20 - $50, as my bitcoin wallet limits me to smaller amounts.
This is an exact emulation of how FOBTS operate I have always stated online won't be any different.
 

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This is an excellent point and something I've asked in the past but don't think I ever got answered.

I've pretty much retired my foil hat these days (finally!) but always pondered this one??????


Because although it sounds simple enough that those games are spread over a relatively few casinos, the big wins are rare and will be evenly spread. Take Bonanza for example, the 10k+ x bet spins have been seen once or twice. Given that this game is at say 100 casinos, the odds of the same casino taking that hit in any given period would be colossally against. Bear in mind also that most games are pretty close to RTP over relatively few spins, say 200-500k and each casino would be getting through many times that amount each day, it's easy to see how it balances out with little difference between results overall at each site offering the game.
 

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So you think the casino makes you lose and then gives you a "winning day" where you can recover some of your losses ?
I like your post and agree. But here is a interesting twist to this. How does the math make up that Videoslots does not end up getting all the winners and Casumo all the losers?

I know there is build in edge and lets say a slot on average has 95-96%.

How is it possible for each software provider to distribute the random luck across all casinos, as surely some would take a massive hit.

If it is really 100% random, then one casinos could be unlucky giving out all big wins on each slots offered? just my thoughts on it all :)
If it was just a simple dice game where you bet on a number 1-6 well say you bet £1 then you'd want to get £6 back if you guessed correctly , right ? But the casino wouldn't do that because they have no edge and wouldn't expect to make any money . So instead they pay you 5.76x your money when you guess correctly . This equates to an rtp of 96%
There's no mystery about it - it's just a dice with 6 sides . It doesn't matter where you win or how much you stake it's still just a dice with 6 sides and thats that

A slot machine is just a very complicated dice that has say 1000 sides and many many different payouts but still instead of paying you 6x on average they are paying you 5.76x and therefore they have an edge and can expect to make money . But it's still just a very complicated dice it doesn't matter where you play it or how much you stake on it . Sure , sometimes one casino will get unlucky that you continually guessed the right number whilst playing high stakes but that's part of their risk . There's no need for any manipulation or monitoring of the game as to who won what at which casino . The edge is inherent in the game itself
 

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So you think the casino makes you lose and then gives you a "winning day" where you can recover some of your losses ?

If it was just a simple dice game where you bet on a number 1-6 well say you bet £1 then you'd want to get £6 back if you guessed correctly , right ? But the casino wouldn't do that because they have no edge and wouldn't expect to make any money . So instead they pay you 5.76x your money when you guess correctly . This equates to an rtp of 96%
There's no mystery about it - it's just a dice with 6 sides . It doesn't matter where you win or how much you stake it's still just a dice with 6 sides and thats that

A slot machine is just a very complicated dice that has say 1000 sides and many many different payouts but still instead of paying you 6x on average they are paying you 5.76x and therefore they have an edge and can expect to make money . But it's still just a very complicated dice it doesn't matter where you play it or how much you stake on it . Sure , sometimes one casino will get unlucky that you continually guessed the right number whilst playing high stakes but that's part of their risk . There's no need for any manipulation or monitoring of the game as to who won what at which casino . The edge is inherent in the game itself
If it was a simple dice game there wouldn't be a definite pattern of days where you just can't win and you would have days when your luck turns around at some point.This is something that doesn't seem to happen with slots you either hit every game one day or you get wiped out(more often than not).
 
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