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Question Is this possible? Or am I crazy?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by luck17, Mar 3, 2018.

    Mar 3, 2018
  1. luck17

    luck17 Newbie member PABnononaccred

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    Is it possible for a casino can set the balance amount a player is allowed to win on slots??

    I have played slots for a long time now, and deposit regularly at Ignition Casino. The last two months it seems like the slots play to a certain amount and then lose. Even when I switch slots, I get to around that same number (maybe a dollar more or less) about three times, and eventually lose. The few times I have gotten my balance over $100+, I can switch slots, get to $10 and still wind end getting around the same $100+ balance no matter what slot I am playing.

    It seems like Ignition sets the balance amount allowed to win on slots. The reason I have taken notice of this is due to the days I have won something. I seem to not be able to lose no matter what slot game I play.
     
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  2. Mar 3, 2018
  3. snorky510238

    snorky510238 Chief glockenspiel maker

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    Yes there is definitely more to it than meets the eye.I think everything that occurs is totally contrived(to each of us individually).Firstly there is not a chance slots are random in the true sense of the word.They have hot streaks and more often than not cold streaks. This is obvious when you consider some days you trigger bonuses more often than you thought possible but more often than not you can't trigger 1 for love nor money. Personally I find if you are on a going day you win almost immediately and you know the force is with you.On the flip side when it's not you get the feeling it's not going to turn around and 99% of the time you are right.If there was the slightest chance they were random these patterns would not be predictable(but they are). .Here is another thing I can't help but notice.If you sign up to a new casino and take the welcome bonus how many times do you bust out almost straight away?Personally I would say very rarely.Thats because I believe you are set on a higher rtp than normal because let's face it the casino wants you to stay.If you bust out early you are very unlikely to stay or revisit.Your custom is vital to a casino succeeding given the choice out there nowadays. I believe you don't play the casino.The casino plays you.Yes I know the purists will be scoffing and calling this nonsense.They have their beliefs and these are mine.
     
  4. Mar 3, 2018
  5. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    random is random is random.
    Some of us work on beliefs and feelings, some of us go by maths, facts and game mechanics.
    Check the ask me anything thread and make up your own mind. Nearly every point is addressed (and re-addressed) there.
    Is there rogue software and dodgy casinos? Sure.
    Do the big well established casinos/providers bother? There's no point. There's already a built in edge..the maths take care of it for them without them having to stress it.
     
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  7. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    I like your post and agree. But here is a interesting twist to this. How does the math make up that Videoslots does not end up getting all the winners and Casumo all the losers?

    I know there is build in edge and lets say a slot on average has 95-96%.

    How is it possible for each software provider to distribute the random luck across all casinos, as surely some would take a massive hit.

    If it is really 100% random, then one casinos could be unlucky giving out all big wins on each slots offered? just my thoughts on it all :)
     
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  9. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Well, some casinos do have and have taken disastrous hits...some have even mentioned in these walls theyve removed certain high variance games due to this..luck of the draw really.
    A casino could have a bad run of a lot of payouts and with a small base 'go tits up. Ones with larger bases I'd imagine can make up for those losses easier...and any, theoretically, over time, will recoup because of edge.
    The things is, the providers don't distribute 'luck'..it falls where it may.
    I'd gather that while a casino s happy for the exposure to pay out massive wins, someone in accounting is crushing a cup going sheeeeeeeee it
     
  10. Mar 3, 2018
  11. snorky510238

    snorky510238 Chief glockenspiel maker

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    Did you ever hear of a casino going bust because someone won to much?
     
  12. Mar 3, 2018
  13. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Casinos go bust for a myriad of reasons; I don't imagine theyre fond of stating the reasons, but probably an assortment of them.
    There's been plenty of casinos that 'were' and no longer' are'.
     
  14. Mar 3, 2018
  15. snorky510238

    snorky510238 Chief glockenspiel maker

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    The % payout is individual to each casino.they will all make the said margin.One casino does not compensate for another.
     
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  16. Mar 3, 2018
  17. suchfun

    suchfun Experienced Member

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    It's Random Random Random,even when they turn down the RTP by 5 points you just Randomly lose more
     
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  19. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    shame they cant turn down the rtp so you lose more, but rather, license an rtp model to use (assuming said software comes in different models)
     
  20. Mar 3, 2018
  21. snorky510238

    snorky510238 Chief glockenspiel maker

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    Yes according to TM I am sure 1 of his posts said games can have up to 3 different pay tables.
     
  22. Mar 3, 2018
  23. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    Not all of them. For instance Netent and Microgaming offer the same for every casino. I believe it's just three providers that can offer different RTP, but still no casino can change it themselves. They have to ask the provider to do it.
    The thing is that most casinos want to keep players happy and are offering the highest rtp anyway. If not, then I would say it's a casino that doesn't have enough funds.
    The same goes for all casinos that are having a lot of games restricted when playing with a bonus, or a max cashout when playing with a bonus. Those are the casinos that could go bust, and often do.
    It pops up new casinos each day that wants to try and don't make it.
     
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  25. snorky510238

    snorky510238 Chief glockenspiel maker

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    If a casino goes bust it won't be because their slots paid out to much that's for sure.
     
  26. Mar 3, 2018
  27. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    That sentence just show how little you know about slots and casinos and nothing else ;)
     
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  29. snorky510238

    snorky510238 Chief glockenspiel maker

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    Really and what is your wealth of knowledge based on?
     
  30. Mar 3, 2018
  31. TradaCasino

    TradaCasino Official rep for Trada Casino

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    Let me ASSURE you, if I applied a higher RTP to the first deposit bonus to 'let players win so they keep coming back' I would not have a job and TradaCasino would have gone under within a month.

    It is absolutely impossible for a casino to influence the RTP for individual players, impossible. Stop playing at online casinos forever if you truly believe what you have typed

    Rachel.
     
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  33. miso

    miso Meister Member MM

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    Slots achieve their RTP over time, underfunded casinos can easily get into bother if their games pay out too much too early. It's been explained here numerous times. RTP swings both ways, if casino's games pay out 105% then obviously casino must be ready to cover the losses for that period. Of course, they'll get it back maybe next month or so...you get the idea.
     
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  35. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    As I said in previous threads that have been similar. I believe that all your doing is giving yourself cognitive distortions. We look for patterns because we are human. And then when these patterns keep repeating themselves we then believe they are even more true. When I can tell you that they are not.

    Casinos have no control over the RTP. The only organisations that do are the slot providers that make the slots. And they have to have the RTP set at above 86% or higher.

    Yes RTG is known to have lower than that and they can change the RTP for slots. But as I said casinos have no control over it. So why not just actually stop playing if you can not stop giving yourself cognitive distortions, because it is not good for you to keep doing it. You will just go stir crazy. If you enjoy gambling and you only gamble what you can afford to lose. Then all good. Stop looking for reasons that slots are rigged. RTP is wrong etc etc.
     
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  37. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    Each server comes into play for each casino . there is no way that any casino is all into one as such with results from one main server as such , i would think each casino has a unique id & server for itself , this would make logical sense to me , maybe Rachel could answer this question ?? i doubt many reps or casinos can tell you how this works or want to answer that question.

    anything is possible online its a program at the end of the day, its not to say that most casinos would or could do this , but i wouldn't trust any casino 100% due to many unanswered questions .

    Look at latest thread with a slot paying way over what it should , it can show you the pays but deliver nothing in real funds. if it was not for a few members here & tin foil hatters it would of swept under the carpet )
     
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  39. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    This is an excellent point and something I've asked in the past but don't think I ever got answered.

    I've pretty much retired my foil hat these days (finally!) but always pondered this one??????
     
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