Question Is this possible? Or am I crazy?

[trancemonkey]

If it was possible to get everyone who had ten years or more experience of playing Fobt roulette and ask them if they thought it was rigged you would get a very different answer than if you asked the same amount of people who play live in a casino.As for your "how I rigged it"question.I wouldn't question for 1 minute your programme being legitimate but there are other ways around things that you can't control.

So what exactly would be out of our control?

 

[Reelsoffun]

Except that there's day I win and can't seem to lose.And there's days I lose and can't seem to win. And there's days I make a small profit and days I make a huge profit. There's days I get a moderate amount of playtime. There's times I go months without winning. And times I'll withdraw every month in succession. Almost like it's....random

Not wishing to stir up the tinfoil brigade, but "almost like its....compensated" would also fit that pattern LOL

 

[dionysus]

except there's zero benefit for a casino to compensate a slot. They arent a philanthropic organization, theyre a business.

 

[DreamRJ]

As @SlotGrinder says. There will always be people that keep thinking these things and posting their believes, And as I said soo many times. Post evidence to back up your claims.

It is just a never ending cycle. Post, rant, moan, post, rant, moan, repeat repeat repeat. It will never end. I think it is probably best that from now on I will just not reply to the posts. All we are doing is fueling them even more with their distorted views!

 

[luck17]

Ok this is going to be a stupid question but does a slot game that is at multiple casinos share jackpots and an rtp for all casinos it is featured at? Or is it per casino??

 

[Reelsoffun]

As @SlotGrinder says. There will always be people that keep thinking these things and posting their believes, And as I said soo many times. Post evidence to back up your claims.

It is just a never ending cycle. Post, rant, moan, post, rant, moan, repeat repeat repeat. It will never end. I think it is probably best that from now on I will just not reply to the posts. All we are doing is fueling them even more with their distorted views!

1. I never said they were I was just pointing out that the pattern could look the same as random.
2. If I had, and I cannot confirm or deny I do, I would not be able to post evidence for legal reasons.
3. You are 100% correct it is never going to end, there will always be people of both sides commenting.
4. However if you really want to open a can of worms the key word is underlined in the pic attached, your welcome to comment and or draw your own conclusions to its meaning.
5. Why do not all games have this statement in the Paytable / help screens? Again you can draw your own conclusions.
6. The biggest reason we are going round in circles with this and other inconsistency's, is despite all the recent improvements there is still a complete lack of transparency in many issues raised by players.

Just my opinion

 

[DreamRJ]

Ok this is going to be a stupid question but does a slot game that is at multiple casinos share jackpots and an rtp for all casinos it is featured at? Or is it per casino??

This has been answered various times. Some casinos that have the same jackpot games usually use the same global jackpots. But some casinos have their own progressive amounts for some games. MG for example do not. They are all global. So every casino that have the mega moolah jackpots all have the same amounts. As for currency. I think there is also different jackpots for different currencies. But I am not fully sure on that aspect, someone else would need to post about that.

As for the RTP, again this has been posted time and time again. Casinos get a choice between 3 different RTP settings. But the most trustworthy casinos choose to have the ones with the highest RTP.

 

[DreamRJ]

1. I never said they were I was just pointing out that the pattern could look the same as random.
2. If I had, and I cannot confirm or deny I do, I would not be able to post evidence for legal reasons.
3. You are 100% correct it is never going to end, there will always be people of both sides commenting.
4. However if you really want to open a can of worms the key word is underlined in the pic attached, your welcome to comment and or draw your own conclusions to its meaning.
5. Why do not all games have this statement in the Paytable / help screens? Again you can draw your own conclusions.
6. The biggest reason we are going round in circles with this and other inconsistency's, is despite all the recent improvements there is still a complete lack of transparency in many issues raised by players.

Just my opinion

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And casinos are becoming more transparent, well the more trustworthy ones. Also the UKGC for example are tightening their belts and adding new rules and guidelines for casinos that have a UKGC license. So if your in the UK it is a good thing. But because those casinos have a UKGC license the rules and terms etc apply to all jurisdictions. It is not a good casino if they have different terms for 1 country and other terms for another country. That would not be fair or a good business decision, that will just tarnish a casino brand more.

So eventually more casinos will be adding more help files for slots. Yes they are lacking. But they will be forced to do so when the UKGC make their guidelines even more clear that they have to display that info in easy to find locations. Some casinos do have them at easy to find places. Others have them in hard to find places. Some do not have any RTP info. But they will. If they do not want to break UKGC guidelines!

 

[Gaz237]

1. I never said they were I was just pointing out that the pattern could look the same as random.
2. If I had, and I cannot confirm or deny I do, I would not be able to post evidence for legal reasons.
3. You are 100% correct it is never going to end, there will always be people of both sides commenting.
4. However if you really want to open a can of worms the key word is underlined in the pic attached, your welcome to comment and or draw your own conclusions to its meaning.
5. Why do not all games have this statement in the Paytable / help screens? Again you can draw your own conclusions.
6. The biggest reason we are going round in circles with this and other inconsistency's, is despite all the recent improvements there is still a complete lack of transparency in many issues raised by players.

Just my opinion

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Where are those terms from?.

I'm guessing they meant to put capped at 250K.

That says 25 million

 

[Reelsoffun]

Where are those terms from?.

I'm guessing they meant to put capped at 250K.

That says 25 million

thats right 25 million pence. £250,000

 

[TheAddict]

Speaking of 3 in 100 or 1 in 500 spins producing bonus rounds..
Anyone managed multiple in a row?

Might of happened twice, but I've definately had DOA produce 3 bonses from 3 spins in a row. It did not mean the slot was "hot" though. They each paid crap and i went on to bust :..(

Anyone beat 3?

 

[dionysus]

Speaking of 3 in 100 or 1 in 500 spins producing bonus rounds..
Anyone managed multiple in a row?

Might of happened twice, but I've definately had DOA produce 3 bonses from 3 spins in a row. It did not mean the slot was "hot" though. They each paid crap and i went on to bust :..(

Anyone beat 3?

maybe 3 in a dozen spins been my best...a couple back to back.
Suagr pop 2 has granted some back to backs last night, though theyre pretty easy to hit

 

[slotter999]

Speaking of 3 in 100 or 1 in 500 spins producing bonus rounds..
Anyone managed multiple in a row?

Might of happened twice, but I've definately had DOA produce 3 bonses from 3 spins in a row. It did not mean the slot was "hot" though. They each paid crap and i went on to bust :..(

Anyone beat 3?

That's actually some pretty long odds. 152 X 152 X 152 = 3,511,808.

To beat your 3 back to backs by 1 would be 1 in 533,794,816. Not impossible but very unlikely.

 

[SlotGrinder]

Thats actually wrong because the odds you state are for getting 3 bonuses in a row starting on a specific spin

Whereas the odds of getting 3 bonuses in a row at any time is just 152x152 because you already have the 1st bonus

Like the odds you worked out are true if you say "ok this spin I am now going to get a bonus followed by 2 more bonuses in the following 2 spins" but generally people aren't talking about that . In a way getting back to back bonuses is no less likely than getting a bonus on your 1st spin

 

[Reelsoffun]

That's actually some pretty long odds. 152 X 152 X 152 = 3,511,808.

To beat your 3 back to backs by 1 would be 1 in 533,794,816. Not impossible but very unlikely.

Can i ask how you know the exact chance of this being 152 to power 3 ? Just curious.

 

[DreamRJ]

Well that would also depend on the slot. Take for example Wild North. I have had 3 bonuses back to back to back on that a few times. As for other slots I have had back to back meaning 2 bonuses in a row hundreds of times. And If you count 3 bonuses within 10 spins then I have had 3 bonuses within 10 spins about 20 times ish. Just a guestimate though.

Like when a slot is in a streaky mood all that is is just you was lucky enough to play that slot at the time the RNG is playing well giving bonus after bonus. It happens a lot on various slots. Totally Random.

 

[dionysus]

It's like ice ages.
They happen around every 100 thousand years
but because we're 'due' one, doesnt mean itll happen tomrorrow because its been that time since the last.
It could arrive back to back, it could be one is the front of 100k and the next, the end of, so nearly 200k years. Theyre guesstimates and averages.
So if a bonus round is projected about once every 100 spins, you could have 99 dead spins and 2 back to back
or one on the first spin, and one 199 later....
but because its AVERAGES, it could be 3 in 10 spins, 2 in 500 spins etc.

 

[trancemonkey]

Can i ask how you know the exact chance of this being 152 to power 3 ? Just curious.

SlotTracker - community stats (or yours if you play enough games) give you the bonus frequency on any game you play.

 

[slotter999]

Can i ask how you know the exact chance of this being 152 to power 3 ? Just curious.

This is one of the better known slots so that's just fairly common knowledge. But netent also publish the game odds for their slots in a game sheet so that's also straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

Thats actually wrong because the odds you state are for getting 3 bonuses in a row starting on a specific spin

Whereas the odds of getting 3 bonuses in a row at any time is just 152x152 because you already have the 1st bonus

Like the odds you worked out are true if you say "ok this spin I am now going to get a bonus followed by 2 more bonuses in the following 2 spins" but generally people aren't talking about that . In a way getting back to back bonuses is no less likely than getting a bonus on your 1st spin

The odds of hitting a bonus are roughly 1 in 152. What do you work out the odds of hitting three bonuses in a row to be?

 

[SpinUk]

Exactly. Another point is this. Those that are more lucky on the slots could well mean that they play them a lot more than the average play them. So of course if they play them more they will get more nice hits on them than others. Now that could also be said that they might not get as many as well and could in some cases be worse for some that play them a lot. But the mere fact that some are more lucky than others is another hint that it is random.

Now at the end of the day we all have the same chances of getting a nice hit when we play. And it has already been discussed many times that slots do not remember us. Everytime we open a slot we get a different ID for that slot session. Regardless what casino it is we play at, So a slot providers server has no idea that we are the same player. I have had it many times where I played the same slot at many casinos in the course of a day and each time I was lucky on that slot. And then other days I cant win on them what so ever. It is gambling it is random. You can not predict how it will end or go. I have had sessions where I deposited and deposited and kept playing the same slot in the hopes it will turn around and give me some good fortune. Sometimes it works and I am able to get some of my money back, other times not. It is how it is. Totally Random!!

You definately have a your own unchanging unique ID that stays with you for Microgaming (per casino). Thats how they can track your play on “Playcheck” from inception.

 

[SlotGrinder]

Well if someone says I got 3 bonuses in a row they mean to say they got one bonus then they got another then another . But how many spins to get the first bonus ? See the fact is the probability of them getting the first bonus was not 1 in 152 because they probably did much more than 1 spin to get the first bonus

The probability you stated is correct if the player literally does ONLY one spin and gets the bonus first spin followed by 2 more bonuses on the next 2 spins .. but that is not what people generally refer to when they say they got back to back bonuses

Effectively the probability of them getting the first bonus is 1 because they won't be talking about getting back to back bonuses if they don't get any bonus at all

 

[TheAddict]

That's actually some pretty long odds. 152 X 152 X 152 = 3,511,808.

To beat your 3 back to backs by 1 would be 1 in 533,794,816. Not impossible but very unlikely.

Damn, i dont know the odds but ive hit 40 lots wild lines and 5 scatters on doa - to give a very rough idea of how many spins ive played (all on min bet, like a boss) .. so it was bound to happen at some point

 

[Reelsoffun]

This is one of the better known slots so that's just fairly common knowledge. But netent also publish the game odds for their slots in a game sheet so that's also straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

The odds of hitting a bonus are roughly 1 in 152. What do you work out the odds of hitting three bonuses in a row to be?

Yeah i would have said the same as you then with 152x152x152 = 3.5mil to 1 then as the odds of getting 3 in a row

 

[luck17]

SlotTracker - community stats (or yours if you play enough games) give you the bonus frequency on any game you play.

I signed up for slottracker and it did not track my slots, even playing in Chrome with the add-on active.

 

[trancemonkey]

I signed up for slottracker and it did not track my slots, even playing in Chrome with the add-on active.

It doesn't track every single casino - make sure it's on the list of sites they track, and also not every provider is covered yet...
It's a very complex system, as every game is different, and every casino is different...