Question Is this possible? Or am I crazy?

[goatwack]

If it was a simple dice game there wouldn't be a definite pattern of days where you just can't win and you would have days when your luck turns around at some point.This is something that doesn't seem to happen with slots you either hit every game one day or you get wiped out(more often than not).

And one always succeeds the other. No one ever has the three or four good sessions, when, given the millions of spins run through it, it should be feasible. Why, I ask

 

[dionysus]

Except that there's day I win and can't seem to lose.And there's days I lose and can't seem to win. And there's days I make a small profit and days I make a huge profit. There's days I get a moderate amount of playtime. There's times I go months without winning. And times I'll withdraw every month in succession. Almost like it's....random

 

[snorky510238]

And one always succeeds the other. No one ever has the three or four good sessions, when, given the millions of spins run through it, it should be feasible. Why, I ask

Exactly!!! It's all to obvious and bonanza is so badly programmed it tells you everything you were questioning.Ok it's a very complex slot but the continual patterns that occur are relentless.Hit a times 10 win in the base game=lose it over the next 15 spins.Wait 500 spins for a feature get 25% of your wager back.Yes there are the odd exceptions but this makes up 90% of the game. If it was in any way random where are the days when you are going nowhere and then suddenly you hit 4 or 5 quick bonus rounds that pay reasonably well.I have never had 1.If you are going to win it happens pretty early on.This tells me games are set hot and cold on a daily basis.Why is it if we happen to win we are very reluctant to go back the next day and try to emulate the process.The answer is because we know from experience what the most likely outcome will be.

 

[dionysus]

You're unlikely to hit those bonus rounds in succession because it's a high variance game, and the chances of hitting the bonus are high. It isnt a low variance/high frequency hit rate game.
That's doesnt make it any less random. There's also plenty posts where players don't hit early on.
The mere fact player's experiences are different than yours, makes it well..unpredicatable.
If you could predict it, BTG would be bamkrupt.

 

[DreamRJ]

Except that there's day I win and can't seem to lose.And there's days I lose and can't seem to win. And there's days I make a small profit and days I make a huge profit. There's days I get a moderate amount of playtime. There's times I go months without winning. And times I'll withdraw every month in succession. Almost like it's....random

That my sir is well said indeed. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Exactly!!! It's all to obvious and bonanza is so badly programmed it tells you everything you were questioning.Ok it's a very complex slot but the continual patterns that occur are relentless.Hit a times 10 win in the base game=lose it over the next 15 spins.Wait 500 spins for a feature get 25% of your wager back.Yes there are the odd exceptions but this makes up 90% of the game. If it was in any way random where are the days when you are going nowhere and then suddenly you hit 4 or 5 quick bonus rounds that pay reasonably well.I have never had 1.If you are going to win it happens pretty early on.This tells me games are set hot and cold on a daily basis.Why is it if we happen to win we are very reluctant to go back the next day and try to emulate the process.The answer is because we know from experience what the most likely outcome will be.

What your doing is your still searching for reasons to question the fact the slots are random. All your doing is clutching at straws and playing right into the hands of your distortions. And giving no mercy to them and believing them more and more, the more others post things that fuel your views it makes your views seem even more true as well.

Look if you and anyone else can give 100% factual evidence that backs your claims up then go ahead and do it. Show it and if not just listen to us when we say the slots are not rigged and they are totally random.

 

[dionysus]

That mere fact his and hers and their experiences are all different just lends to the randomness of it all

 

[DreamRJ]

That mere fact his and hers and their experiences are all different just lends to the randomness of it all

Exactly. Another point is this. Those that are more lucky on the slots could well mean that they play them a lot more than the average play them. So of course if they play them more they will get more nice hits on them than others. Now that could also be said that they might not get as many as well and could in some cases be worse for some that play them a lot. But the mere fact that some are more lucky than others is another hint that it is random.

Now at the end of the day we all have the same chances of getting a nice hit when we play. And it has already been discussed many times that slots do not remember us. Everytime we open a slot we get a different ID for that slot session. Regardless what casino it is we play at, So a slot providers server has no idea that we are the same player. I have had it many times where I played the same slot at many casinos in the course of a day and each time I was lucky on that slot. And then other days I cant win on them what so ever. It is gambling it is random. You can not predict how it will end or go. I have had sessions where I deposited and deposited and kept playing the same slot in the hopes it will turn around and give me some good fortune. Sometimes it works and I am able to get some of my money back, other times not. It is how it is. Totally Random!!

 

[snorky510238]

That my sir is well said indeed. I couldn't have said it better myself.



What your doing is your still searching for reasons to question the fact the slots are random. All your doing is clutching at straws and playing right into the hands of your distortions. And giving no mercy to them and believing them more and more, the more others post things that fuel your views it makes your views seem even more true as well.

Look if you and anyone else can give 100% factual evidence that backs your claims up then go ahead and do it. Show it and if not just listen to us when we say the slots are not rigged and they are totally random.

There are a lot more posts that reiterate my experiences than those to the contrary.You believe that it's random and all legitimate that's your prerogative.I don't and that's mine.

 

[goatwack]

That my sir is well said indeed. I couldn't have said it better myself.



What your doing is your still searching for reasons to question the fact the slots are random. All your doing is clutching at straws and playing right into the hands of your distortions. And giving no mercy to them and believing them more and more, the more others post things that fuel your views it makes your views seem even more true as well.

Look if you and anyone else can give 100% factual evidence that backs your claims up then go ahead and do it. Show it and if not just listen to us when we say the slots are not rigged and they are totally random.

Right, that's it. You sir have insulted me for the final time. I have no room for a tallowcatch like yourself

I challenge you to a duel at dawn. Be there

 

[DreamRJ]

Right, that's it. You sir have insulted me for the final time. I have no room for a tallowcatch like yourself

I challenge you to a duel at dawn. Be there

lol, insulted, oh I am so sorry, cough *not* cough hahaha

And are we allowed to bring weapons???

 

[dionysus]

It also comes down to how you play.
You cant influence the outcome but you can learn to play smarter- bet with accordance to you balance, alter your cashout goal, the variance on the games which you choose to play on.
I went THREE years no WD - then I changed my strategy and have cashed out nearly every month last 6 months. and am ahead overall 2017/2018.
No tricks, no secrests, no deep insight; I just changed the manner in which I play. And it's still all rather hit or miss each session.

 

[snorky510238]

Exactly. Another point is this. Those that are more lucky on the slots could well mean that they play them a lot more than the average play them. So of course if they play them more they will get more nice hits on them than others. Now that could also be said that they might not get as many as well and could in some cases be worse for some that play them a lot. But the mere fact that some are more lucky than others is another hint that it is random.

Now at the end of the day we all have the same chances of getting a nice hit when we play. And it has already been discussed many times that slots do not remember us. Everytime we open a slot we get a different ID for that slot session. Regardless what casino it is we play at, So a slot providers server has no idea that we are the same player. I have had it many times where I played the same slot at many casinos in the course of a day and each time I was lucky on that slot. And then other days I cant win on them what so ever. It is gambling it is random. You can not predict how it will end or go. I have had sessions where I deposited and deposited and kept playing the same slot in the hopes it will turn around and give me some good fortune. Sometimes it works and I am able to get some of my money back, other times not. It is how it is. Totally Random!!

So how does Viking Runecraft and other games where you level up remember your level even when you haven't played it for months?

 

[dionysus]

Right, that's it. You sir have insulted me for the final time. I have no room for a tallowcatch like yourself

I challenge you to a duel at dawn. Be there

nonono, I sleep til the crack of noon.
Make it 12ish and I expect to see some cool ass weapons, no namby pamby glove slapping.

 

[goatwack]

lol, insulted, oh I am so sorry, cough *not* cough hahaha

And are we allowed to bring weapons???

Only harsh language

 

[DreamRJ]

So how does Viking Runecraft and other games where you level up remember your level even when you haven't played it for months?

Because that is just a save game feature that is stored on the casino end. Simple really. Each casino has their own servers for their site and server load and also client details. All slot data that has features on them that has progress etc etc is stored locally on the casinos servers, I repeat the casino servers and not the slot providers servers!

 

[DreamRJ]

Only harsh language

Awwwwwww what a shame, I was wanting to dust my naughty floppy toy off ready

I forgot to add, it begins with a D

 

[goatwack]

Awwwwwww what a shame, I was wanting to dust my naughty floppy toy off ready

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[dionysus]

note: poopy head is out of bounds. Limits you know

 

[DreamRJ]

Now we have derailed the thread ever so slightly

 

[bebo67]

Well, some casinos do have and have taken disastrous hits...some have even mentioned in these walls theyve removed certain high variance games due to this..luck of the draw really.
A casino could have a bad run of a lot of payouts and with a small base 'go tits up. Ones with larger bases I'd imagine can make up for those losses easier...and any, theoretically, over time, will recoup because of edge.
The things is, the providers don't distribute 'luck'..it falls where it may.
I'd gather that while a casino s happy for the exposure to pay out massive wins, someone in accounting is crushing a cup going sheeeeeeeee it

@ sheeeeeeit

 

[trancemonkey]

Yes according to TM I am sure 1 of his posts said games can have up to 3 different pay tables.

Some games are provided with multiple RTPs... how ever it is illegal for the casinos to change the RTP of a game while someone is playing it and also a legal requirement to have the RTP stated in the help pages. So always check there first...

 

[trancemonkey]

This is an exact emulation of how FOBTS operate I have always stated online won't be any different.

Go on then snorky - please explain to me how FOBT's operate, bearing in mind I working for Inspired for a number of years, as a producer doing games for FOBT's (Roulettes, Slots, etc..) - I'd be really interested to know how I rigged them

 

[snorky510238]

Go on then snorky - please explain to me how FOBT's operate, bearing in mind I working for Inspired for a number of years, as a producer doing games for FOBT's (Roulettes, Slots, etc..) - I'd be really interested to know how I rigged them

If it was possible to get everyone who had ten years or more experience of playing Fobt roulette and ask them if they thought it was rigged you would get a very different answer than if you asked the same amount of people who play live in a casino.As for your "how I rigged it"question.I wouldn't question for 1 minute your programme being legitimate but there are other ways around things that you can't control.

 

[DreamRJ]

If it was possible to get everyone who had ten years or more experience of playing Fobt roulette and ask them if they thought it was rigged you would get a very different answer than if you asked the same amount of people who play live in a casino.As for your "how I rigged it"question.I wouldn't question for 1 minute your programme being legitimate but there are other ways around things that you can't control.

Keep giving yourself those cognitive distortions, the only person your fooling is yourself if you can not even prove to us and back up your claims?

Post evidence or stop with the cognitive distortion posts.

 

[SlotGrinder]

End of the day there are always going to be two camps of people in this "debate"
Those of us who believe in randomness except for the (rare?) occasions when a company is found to be using malpractise . It does happen of course
and the others who always see patterns to prove that it's not "random" and will continue to do so no matter what . But yet they still play which says a lot about how much they truly believe it is rigged. Funnily enough , noone is ever saying the slot is not random when they are winning a lot.. obviously because they can't see a casino's motivation to manipulate it like that (except in playmoney games )
In slots it's about the big wins and they are rare events statistically but they have a big effect on your session . When something is low frequency it will not necessarily happen periodically because the variance involved is huge . So getting 4 bonuses in 100 spins is just as likely as not getting a bonus in 500 spins or getting 1 bonus in 100 spins . Yet getting just 2 bonuses in 100 spins can constitute a slot "playing really well" and getting no bonus in 100 spins can feel like "the slot is dead" It's very very easy to infer some sort of "pattern" from these low frequency events happening or not happening even though it's all in a perfectly normal deviation of results