Intercasino??

boogaooga

Dormant account
I know that streaks, ups and downs, etc., are all a part of gambling, and I've lost and won my share of hands over the course of my casino experiences. I don't normally bitch when I lose - that's all part of luck and the game.

But I played for the first time at Intercasino today, and my results there seem to be outside the realm of probability. I played multi-hand blackjack there, spreading 5 hands at the $1 minimum...and in 623 hands, I managed to lose a over 150 units. That's nearly a 25% house edge, over hundreds of hands, on a game that should theoretically have a less than 1% edge!

Here's the way my stats looked by the time I finally had had enough:



As you can see, I lost over twice as many straight hands as I won (and more double-downs than not) over a fairly long term, while playing perfect basic strategy (I know it almost by reflex).

After that I switched to single-hand BJ at the $2 minimum and crashed out completely a few hundred hands later - but that's not surprising, considering by that point I only had a 13-bet stake.

Like I said, I'm willing to take my licks now and then, but something really feels wrong about this one. I've never had results *anywhere* close to this...positive OR negative.
 

bjking

Dormant account
Hi,

This is not unusual for Intercasino. I play there a lot and even though i am not naive enough to think its random i do know that when the pay they pay big. I don't know if its down to the individual or if its the day you play that has the largest affect on wheather you win or loose. Two theories.
1. Each individual will win/lose depending on previous results.
2. Casino pays dependent on bank. eg pays player/players a large sum one day (or even the same time), takes from others to pay. Just a large movement of funds completely fixed rather like a massive pub fruit machine. Its software after all.
My advise to you is play there next month when you will get another bonus (more time to play) and i bet you win big if you follow a progressive staking system. ;)
Good Luck
 

KasinoKing

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bjking said:
1. Each individual will win/lose depending on previous results.
An interesting and extremely scary theory!
If this could be proved to be true it would be explosive! :eek:

However, I am inclined to almost agree with you.
I've played at Inter for years and done very well, but in recent months it feels like the mother of all 'switches' has been turned on! Previously I would win at some games and lose at others, like you'd expect - but these days it's just lose, lose, lose! :(

I'm almost at the point of not playing there any more - which is a tragedy for my all-time favourite casino. :(

Anybody else noticed a recent steep decline in fortune at Inter???
 

caruso

Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll
bjking said:
Hi,

This is not unusual for Intercasino. I play there a lot and even though i am not naive enough to think its random i do know that when the pay they pay big. I don't know if its down to the individual or if its the day you play that has the largest affect on wheather you win or loose. Two theories.
1. Each individual will win/lose depending on previous results.
2. Casino pays dependent on bank. eg pays player/players a large sum one day (or even the same time), takes from others to pay. Just a large movement of funds completely fixed rather like a massive pub fruit machine. Its software after all.
My advise to you is play there next month when you will get another bonus (more time to play) and i bet you win big if you follow a progressive staking system. ;)
Good Luck
No offence, but this is nonsense.

I don't know the SD on five hands, but I'll take a guess at 3.5. Assuming that's about correct, then the posted loss is about 1.7 SDs, which about a 1 in...15-ish?..shot. Not exactly too big a deal.

You cannot play five $1 spots and expect the same variance as playing one $1 spot, lol.

Although I don't track my Crypto gameplay results closely - I don't feel the need to - everything seems pretty much on target based on my overall recorded wins and losses.
 

gfkostas

Ex-Bonus Whore
I given up in online casinos even for casinos such intercasino :( .Fair or unfair doesnt matter to me anymore,I prefer to visit my local casino and have a 100% fair game plus the view is a lot better there ;) .Oh sure ill keep collecting the bonuses :D but thats about it.
 

rasim

Dormant account
boogaooga said:
I know that streaks, ups and downs, etc., are all a part of gambling, and I've lost and won my share of hands over the course of my casino experiences. I don't normally bitch when I lose - that's all part of luck and the game.

But I played for the first time at Intercasino today, and my results there seem to be outside the realm of probability. I played multi-hand blackjack there, spreading 5 hands at the $1 minimum...and in 623 hands, I managed to lose a over 150 units. That's nearly a 25% house edge, over hundreds of hands, on a game that should theoretically have a less than 1% edge!

Here's the way my stats looked by the time I finally had had enough:



As you can see, I lost over twice as many straight hands as I won (and more double-downs than not) over a fairly long term, while playing perfect basic strategy (I know it almost by reflex).

After that I switched to single-hand BJ at the $2 minimum and crashed out completely a few hundred hands later - but that's not surprising, considering by that point I only had a 13-bet stake.

Like I said, I'm willing to take my licks now and then, but something really feels wrong about this one. I've never had results *anywhere* close to this...positive OR negative.
Same story here...I have played at cryptologic casinos a lot in the past. It always seemed to me to be a fair sotware, but this month i couldnt believe my eyes when i played blackjack at Intercasino, William Hill, totalbet and ukbetting casinos. My house edge was also about 30% and no need to mention that i have lost about 5k. I am really scared to place any more deposits into the casinos after this negative experience. One more time, not that i am dissappointed about losin a lot of money- you should be ready to lose if you play at any casinos- but i am really dissapointed to see fair games at Intercasino and others becoming very unfair!

P.S. for more info: i usually play big- 25 units a hand and not a multihand version.
 
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chuchu59

gambling addict
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Rasim,

Dont be scared playing BJ at intercasino. You would be overwhelmed at the results if you played baccarat. 10 to 12 straight losses are very common. Furthermore,the statistics lie. If you play a couple of hands,leave the table and then return,the statistics are totally different. Remember its a multi-player table,so the previous results should be the same buit they just arent. Blimey.
 

scrollock

Senior Member
bjking said:
Hi,

This is not unusual for Intercasino. I play there a lot and even though i am not naive enough to think its random i do know that when the pay they pay big. I don't know if its down to the individual or if its the day you play that has the largest affect on wheather you win or loose. Two theories.
1. Each individual will win/lose depending on previous results.
2. Casino pays dependent on bank. eg pays player/players a large sum one day (or even the same time), takes from others to pay. Just a large movement of funds completely fixed rather like a massive pub fruit machine. Its software after all.
My advise to you is play there next month when you will get another bonus (more time to play) and i bet you win big if you follow a progressive staking system. ;)
Good Luck
i have to agree with both those statements above

for 1) i would say this is definetly true of chartwell, for example since playing at coral (eurobet) last year till jan this year, my worst result was -5 and best was about +35 on the monthly,overall on average the results averaged out to what they should be, their sister site (coral) i had similar results,but then in jan i hit 4 deuces for a nice win (200). since then i have lost at eurobet every single month and have lost heavily, usually having to redepositing 25 which is then promptly lost, for past 5 months my average loss at this site, even after being paid the bonus is -25. yet at corals,where ive had no big wins, the software plays normal. its almost as if the software is saying "we gave you a nice win a while ago, but we are going to take it back"
 

nektar4d

Dormant account
it seems to be I got lucky by not joining!

I was about to sign to intercasino after reading lot of good words around.
I did check BJ in fun mode and was disappointing!
I thought myself, if I cant win in fun mode how the hell could I win in real mode?!?
At least their fun mode is fair...it reflects the real mode! :lolup:

Very informative thread!
 

Tdoggy

Experienced Member
Agree also

I also played at inter a lot in the past and had some good luck there. But the last few months I have not had any luck at all. I don't know what is going on with them? I am not even going to bother taking them up on their offer next month. I feel it's a waste of time now. Very tough to win. Especially playing B.J. Glad someone finally kept track and shared their results. Inter does not seem fair.... :(
 

johnsteed

Ueber Meister
I think you know when things are REALLY bad, when you can split the A's on a dealer showing a bust card. It's the amount of times you lose or break even that's most frustrating. I think people should take note (just splitting the A's... nothing more) of how many times they do and don't win, specifically when a dealer shows anything from a 3-6 card. I'm willing to bet that the results will be incredibly poor. I don't know the odds on it, but it should heavily favor the player (and it's THE best split...). The player should then post how well they did in those situations (not that I'm going to throw-away another cent into that BJ game... lol).
 

cpgator

Dormant account
KasinoKing said:
An interesting and extremely scary theory!
If this could be proved to be true it would be explosive! :eek:

However, I am inclined to almost agree with you.
I've played at Inter for years and done very well, but in recent months it feels like the mother of all 'switches' has been turned on! Previously I would win at some games and lose at others, like you'd expect - but these days it's just lose, lose, lose! :(

I'm almost at the point of not playing there any more - which is a tragedy for my all-time favourite casino. :(

Anybody else noticed a recent steep decline in fortune at Inter???
Unfortunately, I have experienced the same thing. For, the past three years Intercasino has been my favorite online casino. For the last 2 months I can't win at blackjack.
I don't have the stats to prove it, but it really seems like something has changed. I am also considering not playing there anymore. I don't expect to always win, but I never experienced such a long losing streak anywhere.
 
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johnsteed

Ueber Meister
Aside from BJ, how well are the other games playing out for those of you who go there on a regular basis?
 

Casinomeister

Forum Cheermeister
Staff member
johnsteed said:
Aside from BJ, how well are the other games playing out for those of you who go there on a regular basis?
I made a killing on some of their new slots last night. Hit the bonus round once in Daily Horoscope for $900 on a $20 spin, $1400 bonus winning in the Mardi Gras slots, and did real well in the Ghost one (I can't recall the names off the top of my head). For VP, I play mostly Deuces Wild three play on a dollar coin. Was dealt 4 deuces pat this past April on a $15 bet. :D

I don't play BJ. I'd rather watch paint peel off a wall.
 

Tdoggy

Experienced Member
Agree

Black Jack is boring :eek2: But it's supposed to be the game where the odds are more in your favor then any other game. Not the case at Inter it seems. Nice job Casinomeister at slots. I have never been that lucky at slots. :notworthy
 

KasinoKing

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johnsteed said:
Aside from BJ, how well are the other games playing out for those of you who go there on a regular basis?
I am losing at ALL card games, no matter how hard I try. Their slots still seem to be playing the same as before.

The various posts above only serve to back up my worst fear. We can't prove it, of course, but I strongly feel that Inter/Crypto have the ability to 'tweak' the house edge on their software as they see fit. And right now the switch is on max rake! :(

casinomeister said:
I don't play BJ. I'd rather watch paint peel off a wall.
I'm with you on that one Meister! :lolup:

(Except at Intercasino - I'd rather bang 6-inch nails into my scull!)
 

johnsteed

Ueber Meister
Casinomeister

I don't play BJ. I'd rather watch paint peel off a wall.

KasinoKing
...(Except at Intercasino - I'd rather bang 6-inch nails into my scull!)

Hmmm, tough choice... I suppose it COULD be curiously entertaining watching KK bang 6-inch nails into his skull, but we have to factor what kind of paint Casinomeister was referring to, masonry and waterproofing paint, or would it be gloss enamel and marine paint? I suppose you can't go wrong either way.
 

johnsteed

Ueber Meister
KasinoKing

We can't prove it, of course, but I strongly feel that Inter/Crypto have the ability to 'tweak' the house edge on their software as they see fit. And right now the switch is on max rake!

Well, if it were ever on "max rake", I think it's obvious that they've "turned-the-key" on that one, at are presently operating at Def Con 5.
 
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