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Intercasino (Crypto) slots RTP?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by ChopleyIOM, Jul 17, 2012.

    Jul 17, 2012
  1. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    I've had a little search around here at CM and can't find anything, and I certainly can't find anything on the Intercasino website or on the paytables, so does anyone here know what the RTP of the slots at Intercasino are? (Are some higher than others, is there an average etc etc?)

    Their bonus offers are generally on the high side, the latest I've been offered is a 115% match up to £400, albeit with a 20xD+B WR so it's not EV+, but it's a bigger bonus than the average sort of bonus offer I'm used to getting (certainly outside of a SUB).

    My 'feeling' in the past has been that they're on the low side, if I had to guess I'd be guessing 'around 90%' but of course it just be that the slots are higher variance than average so without a big hit or two they're always going to feel that way.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks :)
     
  2. Jul 17, 2012
  3. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I'm not sure exactly where, but I think I read somewhere that they are in the 91% region.
    I don't have any idea why they would be so low. :confused:

    One person who might know is Simmo!
    Try sending him a PM and see if he has any data for you.
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/simmo-.html

    KK
     
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  4. Jul 18, 2012
  5. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    Thanks KK, will do.

    I just assumed I'd missed something obvious and that the RTP of their slots was public knowledge, or at least had been at some point.

    The 'regular' bonus offers they come up with are in excess of the SUBs at most places, which leads me to believe their slots aren't running RTPs in the usual 95% range.
     
  6. Jul 18, 2012
  7. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Well if those bonus terms (I get offers for 100% up to $250 15xDB ) indicate an RTP of around 91%.......imagine what it must be at slotland and winaday where all bonuses are 1xD + 10xB cashable :eek:

    Players should realise that casinos base bonuses around RTP, as they would lose money if they didn't I.e. they calculate what WR would statistically eat a bankroll.

    I've always found intercasino hard to win at, and recently have done better on casual slots like jenga and sudoku which is a little concerning.
     
  8. Jul 18, 2012
  9. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    How bizarre!
    Those are the two slots which always suck me dry! :(
    The three "casuals" which I have had many good results on are Cubis, Sweet Thing and Bejeweled :thumbsup:

    KK
     
  10. Jul 18, 2012
  11. Zepher

    Zepher Experienced Member

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    Just had a similar offer via email.. but choice of 2 bonuses:

    115 % Slots bonus up to £575 - 20xD+B

    OR

    100% Match deposit bonus up to £500 for most games - 15xD+B

    Both minimum £10 deposit.

    Took the 100% match on £25, but just played slots anyway. The 2nd offer was IMO MUCH better than the 115% offer, as you can play anything if you wish and has less playthrough.

    Got my balance up to £150 quite quickly, but as usual for me lately, as soon as I hit the last 20% of WR, I basically lost the lot ( always playing minimum ) and by time WR was done, I had my deposit of £25 left. LOL. Withdrew it, so am even.

    Seems they are offering the 'same' bonuses but on different terms to members. I don't play there much, tbh I've only ever made 2 small deposits there ( 3rd this evening ). Hit a £525 RJ on Rapid Fire slots the first time, and managed to clear WR with £500, and 2nd deposit busted quicker than my coffee did. Hadn't played there since til tonight. Guess they wanted some of their money back ;)


    Oh, nearly forgot the main reason for me posting. The RTP. I've read somewhere as well that they're slots are mostly in the region of 90%. It often, very often, feels like it too. And until I see proof of the RTP's being different from what we suspect, I refuse to believe they are more than 91-92%. Happy to be corrected.

    Something else I would like to mention/discuss - To me, and I accept if I'm wrong etc, but a lot of their slots feel extremely weighted IMO. Take 1 of their 3 ( they only have 3 in total ) 243ways games, Savannah Sunrise - The way this slot spins ( and a lot of the other slots on the site ), when the reels are coming to a stop they seem to 'bounce' and I see no end of getting 2 scatters with the 3rd needed one just 1 up, or 1 down on another reel, but for half a second just before the reels come to a complete stop it sometimes looks like you got 3, for the 3rd scatter to scoot up/down 1 place. Sorry I'm tired, and I should be in bed - I don't think I'm explaining this correctly, but basically what I'm saying is, those damn scatters quite often feel weighted. Please try this game out for yourself ( if you can ), and if you can be bothered, please give your opinion.
     
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  12. Jul 18, 2012
  13. ssecca01

    ssecca01 Experienced Member

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    This is changing the subject a little but on the topic of Intercasino I recently got a free chip bonus there and after quickly busting out on it thought I'd claim the monthly bonus. Before I did so on a whim I checked the bonus page in the cashier where it lists any bonuses you have on active on your account and I noticed the free chip bonus and its wagering was still active even with a zero balance. I decided not to deposit after that thinking wagering would be carried over from the free chip on top of the bonus I was going to claim. Does intercasino carry over wagering of all claimed bonuses does anyone know or was this just an error or something of cashier?
     
  14. Jul 18, 2012
  15. RUSTYROO

    RUSTYROO Senior Member

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    I have this happen all the time and years ago i remember them having the 3 month rule of when the wagering would be taken off...

    But for at least the last few years or so i have noticed that if i don't complete wagering and zero out, i come back in 24 to 48 hours it has been taken out of the active promotions and i am able to use a fresh bonus without the leftover wagering.

    Wait a day or two then check back in your active promotions and hopefully it's gone by then. :)
     
  16. Jul 18, 2012
  17. mattsgame

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    I am 99% sure the reason that Slotland and Winaday can offer bonuses like this is that their slots are not true slots but rather like AWP's and are not random. I will try and find the info I read quite a while ago now.

    Sorry for the OT
     
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  18. Jul 18, 2012
  19. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    I've had a look at InterCasino's TRTP figures and like most casinos there is a fairly large range. I'm currently working with InterCasino to release this information and this should happen in the next couple of months.
     
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  20. Jul 18, 2012
  21. ThePOGG

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    The spin of the reels will have no effect on the outcome. As it's all RNGs these days, when you hit the button the outcome is instantly decided, the spinning is purely for entertainment purposes. That's not to say that the games couldn't be programmed to show you 'near misses' regularly - which is a well established psycological principal in the gambling field - but that's no indicator of how regularly the scatter symbol 'should' turn up.
     
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  22. Jul 18, 2012
  23. Zepher

    Zepher Experienced Member

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    Yeah I was really tired last night, and should not have still been up at 4am typing that post. Thanks for your post. Yeah I understand that the RNG dictates the outcome before the reels have stopped, as I guessed at the time, I didn't explain what I meant well enough, but it doesn't matter anyway. Those damn near misses annoy the fk out of me though. lol.
     
  24. Jul 18, 2012
  25. ThePOGG

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    4am is a dark time for posting lol. And that's exactly what the near miss is meant to do, keep you playing cause you are sooooo close you're bound to hit soon. And as much as most players know that's not true, i think that there's a small voice in all of us that says 'i must be due a feature soon'....
     
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  26. Jul 18, 2012
  27. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    Yes i must admit (sorry for OT) that in my years of playing ive come to despise too many of those near miss/hits too.
    When i started online gambling these near wins and showing top symbols frequently, did seem to mean they were bound to hit soon.
    Lately i've been seeing more and more of those, and they now seem to be just psychological teasers, to indeed keep you playing.
    I dont like them one bit:)
    I always expect to lose, but i rather have it go down obviously, then to keep seeing top pays minus one symbol (mostly in the middle) and not hitting them.
    What i would prefer is software that will on regular days keep you going up and down, and on bad days just bust you out hard (as is to be expected when playing high variance slots), but, imo the higher symbols, which are supposed to be on the reels less, and pop up only once in a while, only to be dropping in when they are bound to hit.
    Of course that might be to much to ask:)
     
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  28. Jul 18, 2012
  29. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    Thanks POGG, are the numbers not in the public domain then?
     
  30. Jul 18, 2012
  31. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    Not yet, but they will be soon. InterCasino are looking into the easiest way to do this at the moment (whether in the help files or over support). Either way i will be publishing the figures with the game reviews on my site, but that may take a little while as i'm still polishing off the redesign. If there's something specific you'd like to know PM me.
     
  32. Jul 20, 2012
  33. TheLastCylon

    TheLastCylon Banned User - violation of rule 1.19

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    Anyone releasing T-RTP data is a win for the consumer. I'll believe it when I see it, mind you, but I'll still hold out hope.

    POGG, while you're at it, try to get them to release their auditing certification as well -- the monthly RTP results, the head, the tail, the whole damn thing.
     
  34. Jul 20, 2012
  35. ThePOGG

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    I can assure you this will be happening. As mentioned previously i have the document, so whether they get their staff trained/website updated first or i get the game reviews up first is the only real question.



    The already do this - hxxp://www.intercasino.com/why/payout/ - that page should have a link to tha auditing, the quarterly results for this year and the yearly figures going waaay back.
     
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  36. Jul 20, 2012
  37. TheLastCylon

    TheLastCylon Banned User - violation of rule 1.19

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    Heeeey, that's not bad! I still have some problems, though, to which many casinos are subject, so while this is about Intercasino, it applies to the industry as a whole.

    Firstly, their auditing sheet is over two years old, which is pretty poor for such a major operation. Secondly, even when the auditing was done, it appears to only have been a term-end financial analysis. No actual analysis, statistical or otherwise, took place of game results. I would like to see the kind of analysis work done by Certified Fair Gambling.
     
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  38. Jul 20, 2012
  39. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    What you're really looking for here - and i'd agree with you - is a guarentee that the software is fair, but until real regulation comes along nothing that any casino does ever completely satisfies that for me.

    The reality is that CFG - and i'd like to add at this point that i've got a lot of repect for Elliot Jacobson - is a company and is profit based and therefore not what i'd see as a regulatory standard. No certificate out there right is up to scratch, but where and when i can i am pushing for greater transparency and the release of slots RTP figures is one are where many casinos have been very receptive (and a few others have been absolutely not so).
     
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