Yes, I am. If you have no trust in me and Bryan and the Pitch-A-Bitch service we offer, and by extension the site in general, then we haven't got much to talk about, do we? Go somewhere else where you do trust them.
Nice. That really will clear up everything won't it? "Either blindly believe me or go somewhere else where you blindly believe them but NEVER question me"
I am quesstioning you and will continue to in this case. You say you "have all the evidence" Really? Hurdle nor Gablock was ever contacted back by you to ask for clarity or asked any question at all. What kind of investigation is that?
It's like a judge asking the plaintiff for his testimony then making a decision without examining the defense.
Taking the casinos word (talk about woefully biased!!!) at face value is questionable at best.
MPORTANT: Any individual or groups of individuals attempting to defraud the casino or engaging in any type of syndicate betting will forfeit their deposits, bonuses and winnings. This includes, but is not limited to, opening multiple accounts in an attempt to claim the initial deposit bonus multiple times.
I have done exactly that, more than once. Try reading the last paragraph of my previous post (
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/hurdle-vs-main-street.41410/) again. Follow the link to the casino's Terms, scroll down to the bottom, read the bolded bit that says:
If you cannot, or will not, read what is written then you need more aid than I am in a position to offer.
Wow, sarcasm. Really? Very appropriate. Nice again.
anyways,
If you actually have 2 seperate VERIFIED players AND these players are not even members at the casino at the same time nor make bets at the same time AND these players are cashing out without use of bonus then the above term was not broken. Period.
They didn't open multiple accts to take multiple initial deposit bonuses. Nor did they just take the initial bonus and never play again. There was no issue with bonuses at all as a matter of fact. The 2 players in question aren't having an issue with bonuses. They deposited a lot and were not using a bonus at time of cashout.
They didn't use "syndicate" betting. That would be betting at the same time or in multiplayer games or some such thing. They didn't play at the casinos together, they werent even members at the same time. That makes it impossible to syndicate bet. Syndicate betting wouldn't matter anyways in single player games. Regardless, these guys didn't do any of that stuff. NOR did thy try to defraud the casino as is evidenced by their approved documents and faxforms and their approved payment history.
So here we are again. Your saying they broke a term that makes no sense.
I should add that this business about someone's documents being approved and/or being paid once, etc, are not very compelling. How would you imagine a fraudster gets caught? By committing fraud, yes? As in "fraudster does stuff and (perhaps some time later) gets caught". That's how it works. So basically the "was approved once" thing is simply a description of a perp in action, until they are identified and nabbed. How is that an argument in their defense? It isn't, hence irrelevant.
Well it is because you are saying they are either fraud (not real people) which is being proved to not be the case with all the information that the casino could gather and that their ewallet could gather and that their banks could gather OR you are saying they are opening multiple accounts in order to claim multiple initial bonuses, which is shown not to be the case by all the same information above, OR you are saying they are using some sort of betting scheme in unison that helps each other whicha AGAIN, has proved to not be possible as they didn't play together or even during the same time periods. That is why it is relevant.
What doesn't appear to be relevant is that term you are claiming is being broken or your stated assumption that casinos don't lie but players do. It is amazing from my end watching this happen. Usually I would probably just chalk it up to some fraudsters being caught out. This time I know a couple of the complainers and it is very obvious that they haven't broken a single term in the casino yet you are saying guilty as charged. This shakes my trust of the process to its core.
On a last note. These guys say that even though you feel that you already have all the information necessary (from the casino's side) and never asked for it that they are willing to email screen shots of their ewx accts, send in any documentation, answer any question and provide any information possible.
If guilty as charged , I am glad to see someone other than me thinks this is an appropriate move. No player should get a dime back if they did bad...(I have always believed this, and I still believe ANY player using a bonus should also have their monies kept if they choose to ignore T&C's to try and get one over on the casino. No free ride IMO)
Yep, yep and yep! Not so lonely in my corner anymore
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for the millionth time. No bonus was used. Hence the "non-bonus issues" part of the forum.
but silcnlayc, I do agree with you myself. I always think if the term says "don't play gameX" then the player goes ahead and plays gameX then they should have all the monies kept. This situation is that there is no bonus used.
You might ask hurdle to contact Steve Russo at Gambling Grumbles? As it seems that there won't be any further communication with max regarding the PAB.
And no, this comment isn't meant to be any way negative regarding Casinomeister or PAB process in general
I will pass this on. Thank you ergopro.