How about WagerJunction Group,good or not?

[yanghongwu]

can you tell me how about the WagerJunction Group's casino(GeishaLounge，GrandAces，KingSolomon，MagicOasis，Windows，GoldKey) please?

I konw the Windows Casino is not good,but I don't know other casino.

If anybody know,tell me please.thanks very much.

 

[winbig]

can you tell me how about the WagerJunction Group's casino(GeishaLounge，GrandAces，KingSolomon，MagicOasis，Windows，GoldKey) please?

I konw the Windows Casino is not good,but I don't know other casino.

If anybody know,tell me please.thanks very much.

I'm assuming they're still fine for non-usa players.

But, they really screwed the USA players by cancelling out winnings because they couldn't finish the WR, etc. once they closed all USA accounts.

 

[lots0]

They are all good.

Windows Casino has new owners and very improved customer relations. Windows Casino is no longer on the CM rogue list.

As long as your outside the US your good to go with these guys.

But, they really screwed the USA players by cancelling out winnings because they couldn't finish the WR, etc. once they closed all USA accounts.

Only one report of that and it has not been verified.

 

[dresden]

Only one report of that and it has not been verified.

I'm the person to whom it happened. I'm verifying it. If it happens once it's OK but if it happens multiple times it isn't? I wouldn't play at a group that confiscates winnings at a whim.

 

[lots0]

Being verified means confirmation from someone besides you.

Why blame the Casinos for what the US Government has done?

Dont you think for a second that most of these casinos including the Wager Junction casinos would LOVE to have you at their casino to finish grinding out your bonus? You bet they would.

But the choice has been taken out of their hands by the US Dept of Justice.
The guys at WJ hung in there for a long time, one of the few places that had the guts too.

 

[winbig]

The guys at WJ hung in there for a long time, one of the few places that had the guts too.

In a sense they did. They weren't allowing any NEW signups from those in the USA. Why all of a sudden did they get scared and close the rest of the USA accounts? Cash flow problems maybe? Quite an easy way to confiscate quite a bit of cash...

Greg, speak up! Prove us wrong.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Wrong

There was nothing wrong in exiting the market in the end, but it is morally wrong to confiscate winnings as though it was the PLAYER'S fault that all this happened. US players are asked to accept it's not the casino's fault, but the casino must, in return, accept that breaches of terms as a consequence of them pulling out with NO NOTICE are not the player's fault. They may have a problem paying out, but confiscation of any winnings is not the way to impress the rest of us, whose continuing custom will determine whether the industry survives to "tick over" while all this runs it's course, or whether it dies an agonising death with too few players prepared to trust them to do the right thing if things turn bad with respect to non-US accounts.

I hope Greg will respond once ICE is over and the full compliment of staff are back in the office. Monday would be a good time to expect an initial response, earlier if at all possible. Bryan has most likely been raising these issues at ICE, and we should expect an ICE report newsletter & webcast in the next couple of weeks.

US players might be conforted to know that Bush's lapdog, the Blair government, has been growling and gnashing it's teeth over Iraq - more seriously this time, but beneath the headlines there has been expressions of disappointment about the actions of the DoJ while the UK government is attempting to put a regulatory regime in place for remote gaming by September.

 

[dresden]

But the choice has been taken out of their hands by the US Dept of Justice.

That is wholly incorrect. The statute only concerns payment processors. It has nothing to do with either the player or the casino. Wager Junction made the decision to pull out. The U.S. Department of Justice did not make it for them. Of course I blame the casino. It was their move.

 

[lots0]

They weren't allowing any NEW signups from those in the USA.

Yes they were.
The WJ casinos were split, some (Windows, Goldkey and Oasis) took US players until just the other day, others like Gesia, Grand Aces and Hampton stopped taking US players several months ago.

The statute only concerns payment processors.

Ya tell that to the US DOJ... Maybe Alberto and his henchmen will realize their error and allow all the online casinos back into the US...

 

[dresden]

Ya tell that to the US DOJ... Maybe Alberto and his henchmen will realize their error and allow all the online casinos back into the US...

Right, why bother considering the reality when we can just make generalizations based on incorrect information? Sure. I'm with you on this one.

 

[lots0]

Ya all those darn online casinos "Voluntarily" walking away from 90% of their business...

Get a clue dude.

 

[dresden]

You continue to miss the point.


1. The UIGEA does not prohibit bettors from betting

2. The UIGEA does not order any or all gaming establishments to stop taking US business.

3. The handful or people arrested have only been apprehended when they have entered US territory. The US has not gone after people in other jurisdictions to bring them back.


4. The charges the arrested are facing are just that, charges. Several attorneys have stated the DOJ is pursuing a policy, not enforcing a law. This will play out. The DOJ had been unable to make other nations or the companies within those nations obey. The arrests are administrative measures designed to scare.

5. In sum, Wager Junction was in no way forced to shut off Americans. It chose to so. I'm sure they were pressured like other gaming firms by the chilling effect of DOJ policy. The fact remains: They could have stayed if they had wanted to. They would have had to make adjustments. The player is not liable here. The casino is.


Read this if you want to be more informed:

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[cyprean]

My 2 cents...

On 24th Jan I sent a basic e-mail enquiry to Wagerjunction. I forgot the whole issue, and today I finally received their reply! It took over 10 days for them to respond..

Obviously I do not recommend them if you ever need to contact them by-email. and you would like do things in timely manner. I had to contact them because their terms & conditions were not properly displayed.

 

[Wagerjunction]

Wager Junction

You know guys i dont mind a healthy debate but to me your posts are all about Casino bashing . Dresden i think that your issues have been sorted out have they not ? . You have played at our partner Casinos for quite some time have you not.

In addition i can tell you that Wager Junction is an affiliate program currently and it has taken some of the most unsavoury RTG Casinos noted for their horrible tactics and reformed them completly.

Now instead of carrying the fight to me about some perceived lack of guts in the US market maybe you should be taking your fight to the people that come up with the laws in the US and ask them why they have forced us out of the US market ?

If you ever decide to do this please let me know as i will willingly back you up. The choice to leave the US market was not an easy one to make but was a logical one one the Bill was passed .

I for one have many good friends on this board and have assisted a lot of players so i am quite confident that Wager Junction will continue to serve its many webmasters going forward.

I am not admitting perfection - this has been a trying time for everyone so excuse me for not answering emails within 30 seconds - but at least you get an honest answer from me - which many webmasters can verify - not some doublespeak .

 

[Rusty]

I have never played there but I remember there was an issue with WJ proving its intentions by clearing all the BS off sites like Windows Casino.

I am not sure how to read the following three statements on the Windows site.


Best Online Casino 2001-2007 Windows Casino Canada, All rights reserved.

Winner of 10 online gaming awards.

Best online casino 2002,2004

Maybe Greg is right though, we are just Casino bashing.

 

[mrracetrack]

Best Online Casino 2001-2007 Windows Casino Canada, All rights reserved.

Winner of 10 online gaming awards.

Best online casino 2002,2004

I believe those awards were given to Windows by the SCA group.

SCA = "Scummy Casino Association".

 

[KasinoKing]

I am not admitting perfection - this has been a trying time for everyone so excuse me for not answering emails within 30 seconds - but at least you get an honest answer from me - which many webmasters can verify - not some doublespeak .

Unfortunately, taking 5-weeks to respond to the last post in this thread does little to calm the 'slow response' claims!

I personally don't think I've ever had to contact CS, so I can't comment on that. But if it's true that e-mails take several days or more to be replied, then something clearly needs to be done.
Remember; the Customer is King. (Quite literally in my case! )
And a happy customer is a frequent customer. Nothing pee's us players off more than slow payments & slow CS. Get these right & you will reap the rewards!

Just my 4c...