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high rolling does not pay off

Discussion in 'Online Casino Bonuses' started by lockinlove, May 21, 2017.

    May 21, 2017
  1. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    Hey folks!

    First off let me say I had some fun and exciting moments tonight.

    I am up $5000 in the past 3 weeks so I decided to use some of these winnings and have a high rolling session.

    Starting balance $3000

    Lowest bet allowed $3.00 Highest bet $12.00

    Average bet was $7

    Well I have played slots for a long time so I already knew this from my observations. Betting high continually just isnt worth it. Why?

    Because most base games do not pay well and when you hit a bonus its usually 50x or under. So say you are doing $7 bets. Well the base game is slowly or quickly going to milk you until you hit a bonus.

    Lets review my game play today.

    Immortal Romance 11 bonuses at $7.20. zero bonuses or hits on $12 bets

    troy feature picked 5 times. best win 24x
    Amber 4 times. Best win 30x
    Sarah feature twice. Best win 11x


    Jurassic park. $4.50 bets

    Feature hit 5 times

    long neck twice bet win 22x
    trex once best win 15x
    rhinos 2 times. best win 18x

    TS11

    4 features at $4.50 bets

    5x feature twice best win 8x
    2 times loki best win 33x

    Avalon bet size $7.20

    No features after 300 spins

    GoT

    $3 bets

    No feature after 300 spins

    Bonanza $5-$10 bets

    1 feature paid 115x on $5

    FROL

    3 bonuses $12 bet

    wild vine feature for all 3. Best win 41x

    $5 bet on mega moolah Isis.

    no features.

    spun that jackpot wheel once and won $100

    Total losses.

    $2144 from slot.

    I went to roulette with the rest and won $1500 back

    So total session loss Was just shy of $700

    While I had a fun time hitting bonuses at those bet sizes. It convinced me high rolling is completely senseless. its near impossible to win or get ahead unless you are so incredibly lucky. That losses are way larger much quicker and trying to ever get ahead is not going to happen unless you are just so lucky

    The best way to play slot IMO. is bets under $2. between .50 and $1.20. Anything more and you are just asking for it.

    I do like random big bets here and there when a slot feels good though. Only way to win!
     
  2. May 21, 2017
  3. nikantw

    nikantw Ueber Meister MM PABaccred

    Occupation:
    A bit of this and that
    Location:
    EU
    Yes :)
    Only way to do it :thumbsup:
     
  4. May 21, 2017
  5. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    I just did the same as you, for the same reasons but not as much cash started with, on the Rapist at Trada. The result was the same but no roulette recovery as I don't play it. £3.60 - £1.60 spins and awful bonuses - when I could hit them. The game seemed to play totally differently as it did on the one occasion before at Redbet when I tried doing the same after a 2.25k Twin Spin win with 3.20-6 Euro bets and set my all-time record for consecutive BoGs of 9 bonus rounds....Mmmm..:(
     
  6. May 21, 2017
  7. chris87

    chris87 Senior Member

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    UK
    Yes, generally my experience too, although it is said that as everything is random you've as much chance of hitting a win on higher bets as lower! I've found that DOA is particularly poor on higher bets, particularly the feature, if you're lucky enough to hit it.

    Interestingly though my only 4 line IR Wild Desire and T2 Hot Mode were whilst on "higher bets" of £3.00

    Chris
     
  8. May 21, 2017
  9. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    Pmsl! :p
     
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  10. May 21, 2017
  11. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    Its so not worth it. I have zero interest in ever doing it again.

    Think about it this way. When you play .90 sessions, think about how most slots play. you lose $40 to hit the bonus and the bonus pays 5x-30x most of the time. Replace that .90 with $7.20. You see how bad it kills you?

    now think about some of the higher volatility slots like GoT. usually 400 spins or more to hit a bonus that pays 10x 95% of the time. Instant killer.

    You can do it like jasminebed did on the government site if you are super incredibly lucky destroying all odds of math but 99.9 times out of 100 it isnt going to happen. the only thing that happens is the losses are much bigger and much quicker.

    i am convinced its absolutely pointless aside from doing a handful when you have a feeling its going to hit.

    I was VERY disappointed with how these bonuses paid out. I feel almost convinced the slot pays you a set amount regardless of bet size. I feel when I won $90 on a $4.50 bet. I would have won that if I bet .90. How many times I won $30 on a $6 bet. Its a set payout amount that doesnt take your bet size into consideration imo

    $4.50 is a big risk. to win $9 on the 5x feature on tsII is beyond special
     
  12. May 21, 2017
  13. greylady

    greylady I bite you know :-)

    Occupation:
    Little Minx :-)
    Location:
    Scotland
    Ah but only one session is not a true representation of wins is it? I would assume if you continue to bet at higher stakes on the slots that eventually they would come good...but at what cost! It's like the old adage you have to speculate before you accumulate. Maybe you just picked a below average day to play, after all it's the weekend when most people play and win.

    That is just my thoughts on it :)
     
  14. May 21, 2017
  15. Naok777

    Naok777 Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Customer Service
    Location:
    UK
    Sounds like the description of a normal day on slots to me, regardless of bet size.

    Your balance ever going above what you started with is just not going to happen unless you get a 50x+ bonus in the first hundred spins or have the bankroll and willpower to play DoA non stop for 6+ hours.

    No coincidence I have massively cut back on slotting.
     
  16. May 21, 2017
  17. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    haha. It didnt deserve me taking the time to spell that long winded name.
     
  18. May 21, 2017
  19. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    The biggest punch to the stomach was playing IR on $7.20 bets and I actually hit the feature 3 times in like 40 spins. Its a dream on those stakes.

    But sadly it was crushed by terrible payouts.

    TSII was the biggest disappointment. The bonuses paid garbage and I even got a wild storm on a $4.50 bet. That paid 2x. lol

    Think about someone like monkii. He is a pretty big spinner but is down tens of thousands of dollars and cant hit anything.

    Thats why these stakes are dangerous 99.9% of the time. the hole gets deeper quicker and you keep chasing.
     
  20. May 21, 2017
  21. Steviedoo

    Steviedoo Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Writer
    Location:
    South
    .....play at higher bet after the 200th spin...

    Games you played are they considered high or low variance....?
     
  22. May 21, 2017
  23. BrianGhattas

    BrianGhattas Where's My Handpay?!?

    Occupation:
    Freelancer
    Location:
    Ottawa, Ontario
    @lockinlove

    It's a shame we have a limited number of slots to play here. I would like someday to see you be able to high roll on the WMS, Net Entertainment and Novomatics that the Europeans can play. Then again, you can probably afford a few European vacations with your success on the slots to try!
     
  24. May 21, 2017
  25. goatwack

    goatwack enthused hangman CAG

    Occupation:
    Turns Tricks
    Location:
    Londonia
    Oh that's an easy one.

    They're compensated.

    / end of thread
     
  26. May 21, 2017
  27. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

    Occupation:
    Not in workforce
    Location:
    Ontario
    Winning big did not turn me into a perpetual high-roller. It also didn't stop me from doing it sometimes, in fact all too often.

    But I definitely feel that depositing BIG is a big mistake. At least for me. I like playing, I want to play for a certainly length of time when I make a deposit and settle in. This does not always happen of course.

    If you deposit $50, and get up to $500, you've had a great session. You are $450 up, yippee!!

    So if you deposit $3000 and get up to $3500, are you cashing out? You are up $500. Many sites require you to play through at least 1x. You've only had 20 spins at this point at $5 a pop, and just hit a win over 100x your bet. Do you sit and grind out your 1x at 40 cent bets for the next two days? Not me anyway.

    If you deposit that $50 and get up to $500 and decide to do $3 bets instead of cashing out and get up to a grand, you might well cash right out then. But let's say you don't. $20 spins on Bonanza well, must be time to try that. Do I stop when I'm down to $500 (still that $450 profit I should have been happy with). Maybe some are smarter than me once you start high rolling, but I can tell you NO.

    End of story, I lost my $50 deposit. Do I go to bed happy? Pretty much.

    If I keep depositing chunks to chase what wasn't much of a loss in the first place and keep high rolling, do I go to bed happy? NO:mad: I said something in another thread about chasing losses that were not losses.

    Do I try again the next time I have a grand from a lower deposit? Probably not the very next time, lol. But not the last time either I give it a try.

    Almost every game lockinlove listed is pretty high variance. One thing with the games on OLG, very few are capable of producing the really big hits, although they have added a couple in past year that are a little more so. So it's more that possible to play bigger stakes on lower variance games with a smaller bankroll.

    I never deposit intending to be a whale. I still regard my deposit as lost when I begin a session, just hoping for some fun with my money.

    There have been some seriously great cashouts in the past year and a half from doing just that, playing high after I'm well up. And a lot of potentially great cashouts left in cinders.

    But overall slotting is a losing game, we all know it. If you bet 10x as high, you are overall going to lose 10x as much.

    I think as gamblers, we need to push it once in a while.

    But a big start balance is IMO not the way to go about it, at least not for me.

    Intellectually, there is zero difference between lockinlove being up 5K in a session, cashing out 2K and highrolling the rest, do or die. But it just feels very different to me to deposit a large sum.

    It's not that uncommon for me to load a few hundred on my card to have a weekend with, and make 6 deposits of $50, knowing I have a $300 bankroll and play $1 bets from the beginning. But it's more likely to be allocated to a few different casinos, especially if there are bonus offers I'd like to play.

    Maybe next time lockinlove, and all the rest of you.

    For the record, I've not made a $100 bet since an accidental one (and then a series since the first one paid 3x my bet and as long as I was not down) in June of last year.

    But I've lost a lot of potential cashouts of a grand or two on bigger bets of $5 to $30.

    We all know how easy it is to lose $20 on 20 cent bets. It is every bit as easy (or hard) to lose 2K on 20 bets.
     
  28. May 21, 2017
  29. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

    Occupation:
    Not in workforce
    Location:
    Ontario
    My trip to Malta next month will probably run under 3K. Flight and hotel are about $1500 and I'm there for 17 days.
     
  30. May 21, 2017
  31. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

    Occupation:
    job is OK
    Location:
    Balcony
    Here's my story regarding high rolling since i did it quite a bit in the past.

    At the beginning of my online gaming i would almost exclusively play 9-liners - TS1, Spring Break, Ladies Night and Tally Hoo. Deposits would be EUR500 - 1,000 and straight into it with EUR4.50 - 9.00 bets, up to EUR45 if I would have a small winning streak. Not once in the first 7 years would I have enough with one deposit, minimum EUR1,500 - 2,000 would disappear without anything happening whatsoever. Then in 2005 i managed once a withdrawal of EUR15K from just one EUR500 deposit.

    Would regularly lose EUR5K in one session with maybe 1x or 2x a bonus round which would hardly pay a few bucks.

    Fast forward to 2013, decided to have once a highroller session at 32RED after receiving a huge commission payment. All play was on the Sure Win slot from MG (clone of Loaded). Deposits of AUD1,000 a piece and bets of AUD12.50 - 62.50. TWENTY deposits and AUD20K later I had nothing to show for. No good bonus round, no good base pay, nothing, NADA, not even a small rally in between, money just disappeared. No fun whatsoever.
    Next day i returned and stayed firmly between AUD6.25 - 12.50 and recovered 12K from the losses. I went some 600 spins with never more than 30 spins on average between bonus rounds plus plenty of strong 5OAK in the base game. Coincidence?

    In my experience, 99% of the times I turn up the bets the slots go "magically" cold and the complete opposite when i go to minimum bet. I remember one session on DOA, 1,000 spins @ 0.09 yielded 102% RTP followed by 500 spins @ 1.80 with a 23% RTP. But in my view, Bonanza is the worst performer when you change from low to higher bets, followed by Buffalo Blitz.

    One example: TS2 - play it with $6/spin and it does not show a single scatter or decent pay for 50-100 spins, go down to $0.30 for 5 spins. I guarantee you that you will see on the first spin minimum 1 scatter, often 2 and some good pays within those 5 spins. Never fails. I think that it is programed to give players that psychological "fear" feeling that the slot will hit a bonus round or a good pay, just to make them turn up the bets again. I have no other explanation as it just happens 100% whenever i do it.

    Game developers can tell me all they want that games are 100% random - I am convinced they are not!! At the end of the day they will not make money from 0.09 bets!!!! No chance. Certainly not the kind they seem to be making.
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2017
  32. May 21, 2017
  33. theslotsking

    theslotsking Experienced Member

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    Location:
    Australia
    I have often wondered perhaps as to whether the algorithms of the game changes based on the bet size.
    I love quick spin games but the feature payouts can be awful. I was playing at $12.50 a spin on razortooth, was down to final $300 and decided to play $100 a spin for final three and got the feature. I expected a massive pay and won a huge 8.5x - $850. Bitterly disappointed I went to bed!
     
  34. May 21, 2017
  35. Naok777

    Naok777 Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Customer Service
    Location:
    UK
    The problem is that we have all seen things like that happen at low stakes, so it doesn't indicate that slots behave differently at high stakes.

    To test if they behave differently we would need samples from thousands of sessions that followed a consistent relative deposit size, bet size and cashout goal like for example:

    Deposit £10, bet £0.20 a spin and cashout if you get to £30
    Deposit £100, bet £2 a spin and cashout if you get to £300
    Deposit £1000, bet £20 a spin and cashout if you get to £3000
    In all three examples the chance of reaching the cashout target should be pretty equal across thousands of sessions.
     
  36. May 21, 2017
  37. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    chippy
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    uk
    Come on guys ive heard too far to much & people always state the same old thing in regards to you was unlucky ,you're going via dry patch bla bla bla.

    Problem is we have no proof as of yet , we have some great players here & loads of knowledge , not just bullshit , you guys must remember that some of us players have been online for 15 years plus as always playing & more , i'm in no doubt whatsoever that the servers control the games & payouts period , there is nothing random in terms of the game , big bets are server controlled different stake levels , even trance has stated it does not matter what stake is played , well i do not believe this at all & never will.

    i hear harry with big numbers state on more than one occasion how these so called random events die at bigger stakes , again a good knowledge of slot play , lockinlove the same . i include myself as a old player & have seen & tested it myself, the point is were not talking newbies here we're talking about veteran players , i could name a few more , low stakes great gaming , higher stakes same results as if you was playing 90p -£2 stakes.

    its just too uncanny that with higher stakes these slots do the same thing even when doing 30+ sessions at the same stakes , drop the stake boom it starts playing , up the stake death pretty quickly.

    Anyone work out my odds on roulette european single zero.

    now upto 60 losing spins @ minimum bet of $50 .im covering 11 numbers & these have been saved , i've yet to hit a single number.

    ive tried this on live games roulette & never gone more than 28 spins before hitting some kind of number.

    Make of it what you will but somewhere down the line it shall come out that indeed the games play to stake level & one other question that so far since joining here has still remained unanswered ( why is there a small pause when changing stakes or lines on MG games ????? )
     
  38. May 21, 2017
  39. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    Hey im not even saying anything about rigged stuff. Im just saying its not worth it either way.
     

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