high rolling does not pay off

Hey folks!

First off let me say I had some fun and exciting moments tonight.

I am up $5000 in the past 3 weeks so I decided to use some of these winnings and have a high rolling session.

Starting balance $3000

Lowest bet allowed $3.00 Highest bet $12.00

Average bet was $7

Well I have played slots for a long time so I already knew this from my observations. Betting high continually just isnt worth it. Why?

Because most base games do not pay well and when you hit a bonus its usually 50x or under. So say you are doing $7 bets. Well the base game is slowly or quickly going to milk you until you hit a bonus.

Lets review my game play today.

Immortal Romance 11 bonuses at $7.20. zero bonuses or hits on $12 bets

troy feature picked 5 times. best win 24x
Amber 4 times. Best win 30x
Sarah feature twice. Best win 11x


Jurassic park. $4.50 bets

Feature hit 5 times

long neck twice bet win 22x
trex once best win 15x
rhinos 2 times. best win 18x

TS11

4 features at $4.50 bets

5x feature twice best win 8x
2 times loki best win 33x

Avalon bet size $7.20

No features after 300 spins

GoT

$3 bets

No feature after 300 spins

Bonanza $5-$10 bets

1 feature paid 115x on $5

FROL

3 bonuses $12 bet

wild vine feature for all 3. Best win 41x

$5 bet on mega moolah Isis.

no features.

spun that jackpot wheel once and won $100

Total losses.

$2144 from slot.

I went to roulette with the rest and won $1500 back

So total session loss Was just shy of $700

While I had a fun time hitting bonuses at those bet sizes. It convinced me high rolling is completely senseless. its near impossible to win or get ahead unless you are so incredibly lucky. That losses are way larger much quicker and trying to ever get ahead is not going to happen unless you are just so lucky

The best way to play slot IMO. is bets under $2. between .50 and $1.20. Anything more and you are just asking for it.

I do like random big bets here and there when a slot feels good though. Only way to win!

Ok. This sounds interesting and I am kind of newbie. Crapmeister.com are the thing I like as of now so play it a lot. So, Thanks for sharing this information.
 
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I know that most people will say they can't mess with games legally etc... But they're in the business to make money and I find if all a little to convenient how "predictable" it becomes when you switch to a higher bet.

It just doesn't seem random anymore and that to me is controlling the game, especially when I'm rolling and the game is hot as hell at 50 90 or a buck. Sometimes even kicking to 2 dollars just puts a completely lock out on the game it seems even tho that's a fairly common roll for me.

But when I kick over to 5 or 6 bucks the game goes cold as can be but miraculously I kick back down to a dollar and what do you know there's a feature round, how convenient!

I play because I enjoy it and have fun, if I get in my head to much I won't play.. But realistically I will never stop believing that it's more controlled in ways that people can't even fathom that someone still skirts the like of illegal type rigging. Because it is to obvious at times, way to obvious.

The only thing that keeps me going with high rolling is to just fire it off when I feel the game is hot, and then seeing others post their screen shots gives me that motivation to keep high rolling here and there.

I will say in terms of rtg games I find bovada rtg bonus rounds are typically more enjoyable for nicer hits than all other rtg sites. Maybe that has something to do with them owning the rights but I've had much more success on bovada when hitting a 5 to 10 dollar feature than on other groups who run rtg.

Ultimately tho I have fun and I've done well at many intervals and even if it's only getting my money back in a large chunk, it was more fun than just taking and putting 50 bucks away here and there just to build. And typically I always have more in return it is just a matter of how much more.
 
Of course companies have filters in place or else we'd all be highrolling, and companies would go bust overnight.

Ensure that 95% of players get hammered whilst allowing one or two the 'honour' of thinking they've won big, whilst keeping withing the RTP of the slot.

Sticking 2K on DOA and doing £9 bets isn't going to hit anything, I'm pretty sure of that :cool:
 
Of course companies have filters in place or else we'd all be highrolling, and companies would go bust overnight.

Ensure that 95% of players get hammered whilst allowing one or two the 'honour' of thinking they've won big, whilst keeping withing the RTP of the slot.

Sticking 2K on DOA and doing £9 bets isn't going to hit anything, I'm pretty sure of that :cool:

Exactly, but that to me is a form of rigging their games... That's why I don't get when people say they aren't allowed to do that stuff. If it's truly not rng like it's suppose to be, I just don't see how it can be anything else but fixed in many ways.
 
Exactly, but that to me is a form of rigging their games... That's why I don't get when people say they aren't allowed to do that stuff. If it's truly not rng like it's suppose to be, I just don't see how it can be anything else but fixed in many ways.
I'd imagine it's built into the software personally, whereby the player might just get the 96% RTP but the variance is stretched so high that it would take an awful long time to attain it. By which time everyone is broke :mad:
 
I'd imagine it's built into the software personally, whereby the player might just get the 96% RTP but the variance is stretched so high that it would take an awful long time to attain it. By which time everyone is broke :mad:

Yea, I'm sure it is. I guess to me the thing that strikes a nerve is simply how changing your bet higher changes the odds. I just dont think it should be that drastic.

But ultimately I have had decent success so I can't complain to much, still tho rng I believe always be rng and not weighted rng.
 
This topics always a hit and miss one. As nobody really knows what goes on. I tend to find slots play very different at different bet sizes but the odd thing is some are low rolling play better and some are high rolling.. Example you play aloha at 10 or 20p a spin with a tenner and it goes for ever. increase this by 10x £1 starting at £100 and it eats. But then you have Runcraft 10/20p you get pants, 50p/£1 and upwards then it comes to life. Same as immortal 30p a nana, 60/90p and it works.

I find netent games go better with at least double
 
:D a buck fifty is high rolling to a lot of us :p

Ha really? I always assumed around 2 bucks and under was a low roll that's decently sustainable when you build a 100 to 150 or so.

But I have a 50 cent win that's 400ish I believe and that again is just so solid to me for lower rolls
 
I haven't read through the entire thread so I don't know what has been said or not, but what OP is trying to state is factually not true. Casino's or Providers are not allowed to tweak RTP based on stake. The reason you see so many massive hits on lower stakes is because way more people play lower stakes. It all comes down to variance and yeah you had an unlucky run, but if you did 50 runs of the same thing you would see your numbers and current logic won't add up.

I mean even recently someone hit 1500x if I remember correctly on reactoonz on 200€ bet I think it was and I have also seen screenshots and withdrawal statements of someone hitting both 5 scatters maxbet on DoA and wildline on same stake. It's just as possible on these stakes as it is on 0.09/0.1€ But when lets say 80% of players play up to 2€ and 10% of players play up to 5€ and 7% of players play up to 10€ and 3% of players play basically limitless, then of course you're gonna see constant massive wins on lower stakes opposed to bigger stakes. It's self-explanatory if you think about it without getting your own emotions evolved in the equation
 

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