Harder to WIN nowadays? [SLOTS]

slotmaster

Paleo Meister (means really, really old)
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Location
Ontario
Looking at the slots you played I am not surprised
That pirates megaways is one of the worst slots out there and templar tumbles is very high variance
Was going to say the same,lol. People above are playing some of the worst of the worst slots, not that there are many great ones to play anymore. :)
 

maosk21

Full Member
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Feb 28, 2013
Location
sweden
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Continued like this to zero!
(the rest was played on the dog house)

feels like they've installed a "NOT_ALLOWED_TO_WIN = true", on my account. Cant be this much unlucky

Very funny!
 

9HOURSAWAY

Experienced Member
PABnononaccred
Joined
Aug 3, 2018
Location
Nottingham
It feels like the games (for me rhino, bonanza, doa mainly but a few others also) have some sort of master algorithm based on the volume and rate of money received, if it falls then the rtp and bonus frequency drops. I must've done about 3,000 spins across 3 sessions on rhino recently, and had only one 4 scatter bonus, in my experience that is unusual, also retriggers are rare and bonus guarantees have increased In frequency.

Doa my current bonus rate is 1/400, in three bonuses i got the grand total of 1 wild. £40 to get one 18p bonus, over several sessions the pattern of 'luck' feels identical, i keep checking the help file to see if the version is 94%, that's what it plays like. :confused:
Speaking of Raging Rhino, I agree, something is amiss with that game, I've played it a lot, and I mean a lot, had my biggest ever slot win on it about 3 years ago of nearly 22k but just lately it plays like $hit, I had 543 spins on it recently at £1.60 a spin and didn't get the bonus once, not once, that just isn't right for RR, It's a game that has always liked a bonus, granted a lot of the time the bonus would be 'Bonus Guarantee' but at least you got a bit of entertainment, same with Montezuma, my favourite and most played game, it's just not the same anymore...I've not banned myself from anywhere but I'm taking a break for a bit, I accept that long term the player is always going to lose, but I want and expect some entertainment for my money, not dead spin after dead spin!
 

goatwack

We'll just tell your mother we ate it all
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Location
Londonia
I think on the whole, during the 'Golden Age' of slotting where Netent and Microgaming reigned supreme, most games were medium-variance, coupled with RTPs we all got rather accustomed to, in the what, high 96s? 97?

So naturally this resulted in frequent 'profits', a small deposit here and there, make £100 and Bob's your uncle.

Coupled with smatterings of reload bonuses to the point where you couldn't beat them away with a big stick, small or even medium-rollers could end up having fun, prolonged play time and a reasonable cashout expectancy.

All that's happened now is that the marketability and visual appeal of 'big wins' has taken over the medium, so that designers have focussed on high-variance games. That's erm, it. Everyone wants the Hollywood Hits but of course they come at a premium, and you can kiss your play time and bankroll goodbye too.

Throw in a healthy dollop of RTP-shaving and slotting on modern games has become an expensive sounds & lights show, less gambling.

I think the end user's experience and value for money is set to diminish further, but at some point it will become unsustainable, and we might see a market crash of sorts, and possible return to higher RTPs.

With the downside being that the UKGC will only permit players to have an overseeing 'Slot Custodian' monitoring your spin ratio, heart rate, social status, political leaning and of course 'feelings' 👌
 

Eliot85

Full Member
Joined
Dec 14, 2020
Location
Sweden
I think on the whole, during the 'Golden Age' of slotting where Netent and Microgaming reigned supreme, most games were medium-variance, coupled with RTPs we all got rather accustomed to, in the what, high 96s? 97?

So naturally this resulted in frequent 'profits', a small deposit here and there, make £100 and Bob's your uncle.

Coupled with smatterings of reload bonuses to the point where you couldn't beat them away with a big stick, small or even medium-rollers could end up having fun, prolonged play time and a reasonable cashout expectancy.

All that's happened now is that the marketability and visual appeal of 'big wins' has taken over the medium, so that designers have focussed on high-variance games. That's erm, it. Everyone wants the Hollywood Hits but of course they come at a premium, and you can kiss your play time and bankroll goodbye too.

Throw in a healthy dollop of RTP-shaving and slotting on modern games has become an expensive sounds & lights show, less gambling.

I think the end user's experience and value for money is set to diminish further, but at some point it will become unsustainable, and we might see a market crash of sorts, and possible return to higher RTPs.

With the downside being that the UKGC will only permit players to have an overseeing 'Slot Custodian' monitoring your spin ratio, heart rate, social status, political leaning and of course 'feelings' 👌
Yeah but we are talking about the same old games from netent wich now plays totaly different
 

goatwack

We'll just tell your mother we ate it all
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Location
Londonia
Yeah but we are talking about the same old games from netent wich now plays totaly different
I agree, I think the variance has been changed on a lot of their games, those they haven't pulled from their catalogue
 

abuyang

Registered User
Joined
Aug 5, 2019
Location
Lanna, Thailand
A real problem with high volatility and much less predictable slots is that it is much easier to disguise a lower RTP in them. It is no coincidence that these two tendencies (a decrease in the RTP and an increase in volatility) occur simultaneously. In my opinion, the real reason for these tendencies are not a mere change in marketing strategy, but the fierce competition in the game providers’ market which took place in the last 5 years. I personally miss the times when we had 5-6 providers only and we could trust them. Now we have one hundred of them and none has any good reputation. When, about one year ago, I found out that Microgaming has started to supply flexible RTP slots to the casinos (including their old titles like Thunderstruck and Immortal romance) - then I knew it was the end of fair online casino gaming.
 
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Eliot85

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Joined
Dec 14, 2020
Location
Sweden
I am on the biggest ever badstreak, a badstreak wich made me close casino acounts on national blocksystem.. Last friday i lost 2800euro without even getting a bonus, and on this friday i lost 1900more even then i did not even get a bonus… All this on the most discusting and scaming provider Netent.. The staka was 5 and the game Gonzo quest.. i closed it for 6 month really sick of it now
 

slotmaster

Paleo Meister (means really, really old)
Joined
Apr 2, 2011
Location
Ontario
Yup, 3 deposits gone in 2 hours, barely or no features hit on any slot and I am not happy. :( Give me some excitement or playtime at least and hope,lol.
 

tazmart

Newbie member
Joined
Mar 21, 2019
Location
Broadstairs
I think a good indicator of how much worse the games are playing, other than the fact we're not winning anymore, there's a much higher percentage of dead and losing spins than ever before, far fewer bonus rounds and much worse bonus rounds when we finally get in, is the increase in failed attempts at a bonus round on the very first spin of a game.
I noticed quite early on after starting to play online slots that the vast majority of games that had a failed attempt at getting into a bonus round on the first spin (like getting two scatters and the chance of a third, but NOT two scatters where the second one appeared on the last reel and therefore was never going in anyway) nearly always ended up as losing games. These games very rarely went into a bonus round at all, and if they did it was a long time and a lot of money later that it happened, and was invariably a poor one, so I decided that I would immediately stop playing the game and restart it whenever the first spin was a failed attempt at a bonus.
This worked out pretty well over the years because I seemed to get fewer really bad games than I did before I twigged what was happening, but now I'm seeing more and more games starting like this than ever before, indicating that more and more games are 'bad' ones. This has only served to make me think I made the right decision to get out of these games immediately and that there might actually be something in this.
However, there are now so many really bad games that it only delays the inevitable, because, as so many posts on here mention that it 'feels' different, I also 'feel' that something is amiss, and has been since lockdown started, although it's got much worse in the last 8 months or so.
Hopefully it will eventually get out to the majority of players that we're being cheated by the casinos and games developers, and so many people will stop playing that it will turn back on the crooks involved and we might get fairer games back once they start going out of business.
If not, good riddance to bad rubbish.
 
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