Had Enough, I give up

[Roar]

Let's just take Cartrina's statement for what she said. We shouldn't go reading things into it and adding things that she didn't say or take this opportunity to get on our soapbox about the issues. It's not the time to for that. She said she is not a problem gambler, she is just fed up with throwing her money away.

Let's just wish her the best and let her know we understand where she is coming from and I do understand Cartrina.

BB

IMHO you have got this terribly wrong - either that or you couldn't give a frig about another human being.

The OP is a plea for help. She stands in the midst of supposed veteran online players (mostly affiliates), bonuses coming at her left, right and centre and after 200 posts to this Forum crumbles into a whaling whining mess about flushing her dough down the dunny!

This is not the time for back-slapping. Passing on condolences is highly inappropriate.

You are dumb catrina. Dumb dumb dumb dumb.

And you got a problem and posting here is not the answer to your problem.

You're not getting the sympathy you crave from me. Just the truth.

I'm your friend. Believe it!

.

 

[lauram]

IMHO you have got this terribly wrong - either that or you couldn't give a frig about another human being.

The OP is a plea for help. She stands in the midst of supposed veteran online players (mostly affiliates), bonuses coming at her left, right and centre and after 200 posts to this Forum crumbles into a whaling whining mess about flushing her dough down the dunny!

This is not the time for back-slapping. Passing on condolences is highly inappropriate.

You are dumb catrina. Dumb dumb dumb dumb.

And you got a problem and posting here is not the answer to your problem.

You're not getting the sympathy you crave from me. Just the truth.

I'm your friend. Believe it!

.

This is a forum to express our feelings and concerns even personal issues.
Most of us i think have been there done that and if this is what this lil lady wants and the support from long time friends on here thats what she is going to get. If you didnt like what you read then fine thats your opinion but the name calling was very uncalled for. If you need to chat cat we are still here for you dont let one person upset your day, you know whats best for you and also know there is lots of help if you do need it.

all the best
hugzzzz
laura

 

[bb28]

And who made you the appointed one to decide what people say is not what they really mean? Do you know Catrina? Do you know me? Unless you do.....you have no right to come down on someone like that. It's not your place!

Your post shows how rude and thoughtless you are, you are no friend!

IMHO you have got this terribly wrong - either that or you couldn't give a frig about another human being.

The OP is a plea for help. She stands in the midst of supposed veteran online players (mostly affiliates), bonuses coming at her left, right and centre and after 200 posts to this Forum crumbles into a whaling whining mess about flushing her dough down the dunny!

This is not the time for back-slapping. Passing on condolences is highly inappropriate.

You are dumb catrina. Dumb dumb dumb dumb.

And you got a problem and posting here is not the answer to your problem.

You're not getting the sympathy you crave from me. Just the truth.

I'm your friend. Believe it!

.

 

[Jasminebed]

Catrina m would not have suffered a loss (overall) using a bonus.
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Of course Catrina would. Lose 96 or 99 percent, still losing as long as you take yet one more spin. Me too. Who quits after 5 or 10 mins? I guess someone smarter than me. But I want some time for my buck. I've deposited very little in last couple of months, saving for B&M trip to Casino Rama to see Stevie Nicks middle of month. Catrina, have more fun with your money, gl 2 u.

 

[Jasminebed]

You are dumb catrina. Dumb dumb dumb dumb.

.

You are rude, rude rude rude.

More "dumb" folks here than rude ones Roar.

 

[Casinomeister]

If one is truly to advocate on behalf of players then one must surely start and end with the plea to always play with a bonus. PLAY with a BONUS or simply lose more and more cash to greedy corporates and ever greedy affiliates.

I totally disagree - once you agree to a bonus, you fall into a web of terms and conditions. It's much more difficult to withdraw your funds when a bonus is attached.

And you're trolling again with the "affiliates" chip on your shoulder.

Let's not kid ourselves...Limiting our deposit options isn't cutting down on gambling. We either take it serious and STOP or admit we have a problem. There is nothing wrong with completely walking away from it. Gamblock is an excellent program to buy for about $30. It will assure you that your gambling days on that computer is over with. Trust me, you're not missing a damn thing by not being apart of the gambling community. Go join your local G.A meetings. There are lots of people just like you and I there to support you. Don't just sit at your computer and donate to these online bookie...

There is a Quit Gambling section at Casinomeister here that should be periodically perused.
https://www.casinomeister.com/quit-gambling/

IMHO you have got this terribly wrong - either that or you couldn't give a frig about another human being.

The OP is a plea for help. She stands in the midst of supposed veteran online players (mostly affiliates), bonuses coming at her left, right and centre and after 200 posts to this Forum crumbles into a whaling whining mess about flushing her dough down the dunny!

This is not the time for back-slapping. Passing on condolences is highly inappropriate.

You are dumb catrina. Dumb dumb dumb dumb.

And you got a problem and posting here is not the answer to your problem.

You're not getting the sympathy you crave from me. Just the truth.

I'm your friend. Believe it!

.

Friends don't flame - nor do they post agenda laden postings. 20 participants in this thread - five are affiliates

Keep it civil, please - no more troll-like posts. Thank you.

 

[LaHutti]

Hope you feel better for that LaHutti

Well....I really don't know if it makes me feel better, or makes me wanna the most.
What I've said just seem to be facts.
You have to excuse my ignorance, but I'm MORE than puzzled by the math here.
If anyone can explain to me, how a group of casinos can "give" you 300% bonusses all the way around ... (I would think I got that offer from maybe 5 casinos in the same "group" sofar, and I'm sure I could "get" it from the rest as well, if I wanted to... to me it's not a group, by the way, if it's run 100% by the same people, all the way down to the same 5 support people, but merely a way of luring people into depositing more money....again, in the end to the same people, but let's just leave that for now.), ... I might add, that I have never deposited in any of those casinos and "gotten" less than 100% bonus... now HOW can they have a payout % of near 90% INCLUDING from those 100%-300% bonusses and either a) not cheat and lie or b) not go bankrupt ?
Again .. .and as Brian said a lot of the people posting here are affiliates, that might not like my posts, and would want to protect their "income" in any way possible, however that does not make my posts less true, but plueaze explain the math to me, 'cause either I'm extremely dumb dumb dumb too, OR I'm right.
To me there is NO other business around, on- OR off-line, that we allow to steal from people in a totally uncontrolled way like this one.
I'm not trying to flame anyone btw....I'm just completely puzzled by how this can even be allowed to go on.
(Yes I know the whole free people, free choises, free countries, free internet, free to be dumb, and all that, but think abt. how many people end up in debt for life, from gambling, and if I'm right, and it's done by cheats and lies, that just makes me sick, and is really not any better than Nigerian scam, only slightly more sophisticated).

I'm sorry about the loooong posts, and if I'm stepping on someones feet here. :notworthy

 

[Matthew23]

HOW can they have a payout % of near 90% INCLUDING from those 100%-300% bonusses and either a) not cheat and lie or b) not go bankrupt ?

Because once you accept the bonus you are locked into fulfilling the wagering requirements.

If you are playing at 95% payout. You accept a $100 bonus and you are told you must wager it 30 times, then you lose on average $150 before the wagering requirements are fulfilling.

$100 X 30 = $3000.

$3000 / 100 X 95 = $2850

 

[catrina m]

IMHO you have got this terribly wrong - either that or you couldn't give a frig about another human being.

The OP is a plea for help. She stands in the midst of supposed veteran online players (mostly affiliates), bonuses coming at her left, right and centre and after 200 posts to this Forum crumbles into a whaling whining mess about flushing her dough down the dunny!

This is not the time for back-slapping. Passing on condolences is highly inappropriate.

You are dumb catrina. Dumb dumb dumb dumb.

And you got a problem and posting here is not the answer to your problem.

You're not getting the sympathy you crave from me. Just the truth.

I'm your friend. Believe it!

.

You surely didn't solve it and I am not looking for sympathy, your truth means nothing to me.

I wish bryan had an unthankyou button.


By the way, if my post seemed to you like a what? A whining mess? Read with intelligence my so called friend. I also prefer not to accept bonuses.

And I very much liked BB's post. Very much!

I will probably play again, and lose again but your help is not needed.

And as elvis said " thank you, thank you very much"

 

[paul02085]

I think most people who show up and immediately start being rude and basically calling the whole forum idiots or shills are just trying to stir people up. The best way to handle it IMO is to ignore them. Plus meister is good about not letting them get away with it for long (Thank u meister).

If the industry is so terrible why the need to come berate people who enjoy it? Just be glad you are superior and leave us poor peasants alone.

 

[catrina m]

I would like to add that bryan is a true friend to anyone that takes a risk in this risky buisness of online gambling.

He is a beer drinking sweetheart of a man that has helped many lost souls in cyberspace without having ever met them. Regardless of anyones so called problems he addresses the situation with grace and treats all with dignity.

Raise a toast to the best casinomeister, watchdog and player advocate the internet will ever see!

Cheers!

 

[Roar]

You surely didn't solve it and I am not looking for sympathy, your truth means nothing to me.

I wish bryan had an unthankyou button.


By the way, if my post seemed to you like a what? A whining mess? Read with intelligence my so called friend. I also prefer not to accept bonuses.

And I very much liked BB's post. Very much!

I will probably play again, and lose again but your help is not needed.

And as elvis said " thank you, thank you very much"

Sorry catrina as I may have gone a little overboard and in the process trampled unnecessarily on your feelings. But in lot of ways I was venting for other readers who chance upon this thread.

What I read form your OP were these words:

surrender
hoping for the win
all this worth it
if I win, I give it back
if I lose I have bad luck
I have to be very unlucky
I know you can win at online gaming
just utterly defeated

These words and expressions have red lights flashing and sirens blaring out loud. And then:

"I will probably play again, and lose again but your help is not needed."

Let others read about this predicament and silently form their own point of view either with respect to their own circumstance or some other individual looking for a helping hand.

The overwhelming majority response to your current frame of mind is a sad and sickening blight (there you go, I'm being polite).

/

 

[Roar]

I totally disagree - once you agree to a bonus, you fall into a web of terms and conditions. It's much more difficult to withdraw your funds when a bonus is attached.

And you're trolling again with the "affiliates" chip on your shoulder.

And my response is the same again Bryan - take down all the banner ads screaming "Bonus" from your site.

No bonus = lose lose lose lose

Please argue your case on the basis of profit/loss.

If you consistently profit from bonus play you will encounter difficulties sooner or later - no doubt about it.

If you consistently lose you will get your arse kissed by casinos and affiliates all the way to the poor house.

It seems like your advocating the latter.

/

 

[bb28]

As my friend Lauriejim said so well in another thread in regards to someone trolling.
You need to learn some manners and no you are NOT being polite. Your apology to Catrina is BS. Seems like you have some bitterness about the fact that you are on or have been on the losing side of things and a beef with affiliates and you just can't resist throwing your own personal issues into this thread.
How many times and how many ways does it need to be made clear to you....the way you present your point of view is not helping anyone?

Paulo is right......you aren't worth it and you should be ignored.

Sorry catrina as I may have gone a little overboard and in the process trampled unnecessarily on your feelings. But in lot of ways I was venting for other readers who chance upon this thread.

What I read form your OP were these words:

surrender
hoping for the win
all this worth it
if I win, I give it back
if I lose I have bad luck
I have to be very unlucky
I know you can win at online gaming
just utterly defeated

These words and expressions have red lights flashing and sirens blaring out loud. And then:

"I will probably play again, and lose again but your help is not needed."

Let others read about this predicament and silently form their own point of view either with respect to their own circumstance or some other individual looking for a helping hand.

The overwhelming majority response to your current frame of mind is a sad and sickening blight (there you go, I'm being polite).

/

 

[catrina m]

What I read form your OP were these words:

surrender
hoping for the win
all this worth it
if I win, I give it back
if I lose I have bad luck
I have to be very unlucky
I know you can win at online gaming
just utterly defeated



/

Yes, these phrases taken out of context sound like I am a gambling addict crying out for help to control my unmerciful demon.

Laugh my ass off, ( I hope that is what lmao means) lmao

In reality I am a low roller that has a lot of experience with most online casinos that I am able to deposit with. Just this past weekend I purchased a new car and purchase grocery staples ( shrimp, ribeyes, etc. ) as I feel.

I have no need to be helped with my gambling habit, as I know when I need to lay off the deposits ( which is now) not because I need your advice, but because I am vocal on what is happening ie: losing constantly

I do not know why the casino's are paying so poorly, thats not my problem

I do recognize the fact I am losing more than I usually do and I am stopping it

I am sorry if you think I am what? A crumbling, whining attempt at sympathy but I assure you I am not

Good day to you sir.

And thank you, thank you very much!

 

[catrina m]

I would also like to say that when you low roll ( sometimes 4 or 5 hours a day)
that you get to know the nuances of a particular game or casino.

If you notice your favorite game is paying below par you move. it may be to a different slot or even a different casino.

When they take your funds as fast as they can, no matter what or where you play you have to notice this.

The slots are variance, but when you go beyond your normal variance and lose twice what you normally do, and it happens for a week or two.

Anyone else notice this?

Maybe I am dumb.dumb dumb

lmao

Every single slot in every single casino has the chance of spitting out a huge winners screenshot. Does it not?

That is why we play, That is why we deposit. If months go by with only small wins it is in your mind, why am I doing this.

Thats all I am saying and its simple

Is it not?

 

[suzecat]

I would also like to say that when you low roll ( sometimes 4 or 5 hours a day)
that you get to know the nuances of a particular game or casino.

If you notice your favorite game is paying below par you move. it may be to a different slot or even a different casino.

When they take your funds as fast as they can, no matter what or where you play you have to notice this.

The slots are variance, but when you go beyond your normal variance and lose twice what you normally do, and it happens for a week or two.

Anyone else notice this?

Maybe I am dumb.dumb dumb

lmao

Every single slot in every single casino has the chance of spitting out a huge winners screenshot. Does it not?

That is why we play, That is why we deposit. If months go by with only small wins it is in your mind, why am I doing this.

Thats all I am saying and its simple

Is it not?

Yes Cat, very simple...........And of course it's our fault (USA) the casino profits have shriveled to the point that casinos are adjusting payout ratios, if that is what is happening. BTW, Obama is a poker player!

 

[Rusty]

Because once you accept the bonus you are locked into fulfilling the wagering requirements.

If you are playing at 95% payout. You accept a $100 bonus and you are told you must wager it 30 times, then you lose on average $150 before the wagering requirements are fulfilling.

$100 X 30 = $3000.

$3000 / 100 X 95 = $2850

Good post,
...and most WR on good bonus offers are much higher than X 30 deposit but.....
This topic probably deserves a thread of its own because there are many No deposit offers out there where the numbers certainly do not add up.

LaHutti, I am in total agreement with you that the games are not truely random and/or the payout % are much, much lower than advertised, infact those Two things are inextricably linked IMO.

Sorry for OT post Catrina, hope it is going well for you.