General Election 2024 Thread

[ChopleyIOM]

I'm not going to get embroiled in the whole immigration issue again, I did it over in the Brexit thread a couple of years ago, I think I'll just refer back to this post I made in July 2022 as this is where my opinion is still at with it.

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What I will say is I take heart from the fact that the majority opinion in the UK is in a liberal, progressive, and tolerant space. Talking about the 'quiet majority' when Reform are limping along with somewhere between 15-20% of the vote doesn't even remotely hold water. People with those views know who to vote for, and as it stands fewer than one in five are doing so.

I'd also draw attention to this excellent section from Starmer in the leaders debate the other night, and you can see his words were finding a lot of favour with the audience.

The actual majority in the UK have had enough of the politics of division, intolerance and 'othering', be it desperate people in small boats or the trans community, or immigrants, or whoever else, and thankfully, they are finally getting a general election to make their voices heard.

 

[paul7388]

Immigration is not even the biggest damn issue. Only far right clowns make it so it is because that is their number 1 priority because they are racists and they blame immigrants for every thing wrong in this country full stop.

It is fucking scary that far right views are now mainstream media all mainly due to Nigel the clown Farage and because GBNews are biased and employ and support reform party members and views. That channel should be shut down.

Not just the UK but other countries as well there is a huge surge in popularity for the far right and that only helps the likes of Putin/Kim/Trump and any other ass licker leaders who support them.

The simple fact is, if this continues we will be headed for a 3rd world war. That is why its a must to get rid of the far right views completely from the mainstream media and ban media outlets from even reporting them. You may say that is extreme and radical and far left view well no its not. I am not far left, I am left of centre.

Just again my 2 pennies worth. (I can see a lot of members in this forum are right and far right so my views just get laughed at, well I have been laughing at all the right and far right people for a very long time)

Oh what a great idea you have. Ban all things from media that you disagree with.

So your idea of fixing the world is to ban all views that you dislike. You quote countries like China and North Korea yet you wish to turn our country into the same, a Country where only certain views are allowed and every other view is censored and banned.

Oh you could not make it up. And yes I'm laughing at your idea lol.

 

[itsme123]

But why is wanting indigenous people to be given priority for services viewed as being racist or far right?

 

[thr0b]

Very few indigenous people in the UK. Tiny island nation, which spread its tenatacles worldwide and landed in other nations taking them over. But that was fine.

 

[thr0b]

 

[shadow123]

Why does any sign of patriatism automatiacly label someone as right or far right,
You could easily label leftism and hatred of your own country as treason but thats a real no no.

 

[thr0b]

Why does any sign of patriatism automatiacly label someone as right or far right,
You could easily label leftism and hatred of your own country as treason but thats a real no no.

The concept of patriotism is a bit odd to me. I’ve no particular affinity for the country I happened to be born in. I live here because I do, and can’t afford to move anywhere else. And there’s plenty of objectively better places to live. Plenty of worse ones as well, which is why this country is attractive to many people, and why it is and always has been a melting pot of other nationalities.

 

[The Dude]

Very few indigenous people in the UK. Tiny island nation, which spread its tenatacles worldwide and landed in other nations taking them over. But that was fine.

I think the indigenous folks in the UK were the Britons who were assimilated by the Romans and all of the Nordic folks - maybe it's the Welch?

And homo sapiens were there when it wasn't an island (Google Doggerland) - so yeah, it's one of the first melting pots of people.

It's more or mess a tossed salad now. And yeah, if one is going to colonize the globe - ya better be ready for those folks to want to join in on the fun in the UK.

I like the British telly, pubs, and discussions about the weather.

 

[thr0b]

I think the indigenous folks in the UK were the Britons who were assimilated by the Romans and all of the Nordic folks - maybe it's the Welch?

And homo sapiens were there when it wasn't an island (Google Doggerland) - so yeah, it's one of the first melting pots of people.

It's more or mess a tossed salad now. And yeah, if one is going to colonize the globe - ya better be ready for those folks to want to join in on the fun in the UK.

I like the British telly, pubs, and discussions about the weather.

I first learned that the British Isles weren't previously an island via Chucklevision when I was about six. But nobody remembers that originally Chucklevision was a very different show to what it became. (It became what the Chucklehounds was, but without the outfits.)

 

[itsme123]

Maybe my use of the term indigenous conveys the wrong sentiment.
Maybe it would be better phrased by saying why does thinking that people who have paid tax and insurance for 10/20/30/40 years being pushed down the queue in preference for people who have arrived illegally is wrong make me right wing or rascist when i dont believe I am either?
Surely its only fair that people who have worked and paid into the system should be at the top of the queue for treatment/services rather than people who illegally arrive here?
I personally have no issue with people coming to this country via the legal routes and tbh a majority of these people work harder and contribute more than "indigenous" people.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

'Human beings are not born with prejudices, they are made for us by someone who wants something, someone's going to get something out of it, and it isn't going to be you'.

Farage uses the clear language of fascism, he always has.

The below linked short film was made in 1943. Recognise any of the language?.....

 

[slot_zombie]

'Human beings are not born with prejudices, they are made for us by someone who wants something, someone's going to get something out of it, and it isn't going to be you'.

Farage uses the clear language of fascism, he always has.

The below linked short film was made in 1943. Recognise any of the language?.....

Strange, I must have missed the parts of Farage's recent speeches where he rails against "negroes and foreigners". Nope, don't recognise that at all. There's criminal laws against that kind of thing, don't you know.

Typical lazy, left wing "yer a prejudiced racist" knee jerk response to anyone with legitimate concerns about the unsustainable rate of immigration. Shut down the debate at any costs.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Apart from him literally doing fascist stuff at school, and singing fascist songs, and his teachers reporting him as being fascist, there's no evidence of fascist tendencies whatsoever.

Still, at least he put all that stuff behind him.

Oh.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

 

[mack341]

So the Japanese must be 'fascist' as they've ended up with a very homogeneous (preferring their own) society, can't surely be an accident, or are they just stupid to decline the benefits of multiculturalism.

I wonder if we compare things like crime and social problems in the uk with japan what we would find, and then do the same comparison when we were also more homogeneous?

Ditto for Germany, Sweden, France etc...

You'll see a clear pattern, why should we be expected to just put up with it, the importation of more problems.

Yes it's a generalisation, there will obviously be exceptions one personally encounters e.g. the dr or nurse who was really nice or good at the job etc..but this is an argument for a more discerning immigration policy not open door approvals.

 

[Kroffe]

But how would one go about talking about the issue without sounding like a facist?
Theres a growing gang problem in Sweden and and they consist to a large degree of people from certain parts of the world.
Certain religions&cultures have had a hard time integrating into Swedish society, and its not Finnish and danish people.

Everybody knows about the problem, but speaking about it still gets you branded as a racist or facist.
If a spade is a spade you have to be able to call it a spade without having people call you a spadeist in an attempt to shut down discussion.
Sweden has already tried the political version of 'burying our head in the sand' for 20+ years and its getting more and more clear that its not working.

Taking in too many immigrants with cultures&religions that clash with pre-existing cultures&religions without the groundwork for integration in place will cause issues, and thats not me guessing, its
demonstrably true.

 

[dunover]

Hoho. A few drunken songs 40-odd years ago, compared to Corbyn who actively toadied up to enemies of freedom, the UK and the world. Gerry Adams, that famous man of peace. The murderers and rapists of hamass. Chavez, the communist who turned potentially one of the richest counties in the world's oil wealth into a broken impoverished society where kids died because even basic medicines were unavailable.

Underneath, despite Starmer's efforts, Labour is still full of this shite; the provenly failed doctrine of marxism and communism.

Allegedly singing about things is very different to actively meeting extremists, terrorists and murderers.

 

[itsme123]

Hoho. A few drunken songs 40-odd years ago, compared to Corbyn who actively toadied up to enemies of freedom, the UK and the world. Gerry Adams, that famous man of peace. The murderers and rapists of hamass. Chavez, the communist who turned potentially one of the richest counties in the world's oil wealth into a broken impoverished society where kids died because even basic medicines were unavailable.

Underneath, despite Starmer's efforts, Labour is still full of this shite; the provenly failed doctrine of marxism and communism.

Allegedly singing about things is very different to actively meeting extremists, terrorists and murderers.

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But you must remember that pal Jeremy is the second coming according to some, regardless of the scum that he keeps as friends, the scum that he nurtures with his kind words and the dregs of society that he enthusiastically advances the causes of..... Left wing extremism is very much en vogue and encouraged but woe betide if you dare to believe that allowing people who illegally enter this county to immediately be given accommodation and handouts that a lot of people living here for years can only dream off.
And even worse you must be a right wing fascist extremist if you believe that the Hamas trash, who are supported by the woke leftist idiots who parade with Palestinian flags all over the country every week, should be wiped off the face of the earth just like the IRA should have been.
Next time I wont be sitting on the fence with my opinion.....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Hoho. A few drunken songs 40-odd years ago, compared to Corbyn who actively toadied up to enemies of freedom, the UK and the world. Gerry Adams, that famous man of peace. The murderers and rapists of hamass. Chavez, the communist who turned potentially one of the richest counties in the world's oil wealth into a broken impoverished society where kids died because even basic medicines were unavailable.

Underneath, despite Starmer's efforts, Labour is still full of this shite; the provenly failed doctrine of marxism and communism.

Allegedly singing about things is very different to actively meeting extremists, terrorists and murderers.

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BUT CORBIN!

The guy who was literally expelled from the Labour Party by Starmer, and is now having to stand as an independent against the Labour Party, that's why we're supposed to be scared of.... checks notes.... Starmer's Labour Party.

I note Farage is in hot water again for his toadying around Putin over the years, and indeed trying to block anti-Russian measures back when he was an MEP. But yeah sure, the guy who isn't even standing for Labour is the one we need to keep an eye on.

Also the point around Farage and his fascist tendencies is they're still very much there (probably why he's had so many nice things to say about Putin), hence the 'Breaking Point' campaign reference. I'm not calling everyone who's voting Reform a fascist (and I never have), but Farage himself is straight out of the fascist playbook.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The good thing about history is it sticks around for us to have a look at, and learn from.

And let's not forget he used to appear on Russia Today on a regular basis.

OH MY, LOOK OVER THERE, CORBIN, WHO ISN'T EVEN STANDING FOR LABOUR!

 

[mack341]

Yes that's a good thing about history Chop, we can look and learn from it:

"From 1986 to 1987, Starmer served as the editor of Socialist Alternatives, a Trotskyist radical magazine. The magazine was produced by an organisation under the same name, which represented the British section of the International Revolutionary Marxist Tendency (IRMT)"

Perhaps Starmer is straight out of the radical trot playbook, and won't be as 'centrist' as he makes out, especially with a huge majority in the hoc.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yes that's a good thing about history Chop, we can look and learn from it:

"From 1986 to 1987, Starmer served as the editor of Socialist Alternatives, a Trotskyist radical magazine. The magazine was produced by an organisation under the same name, which represented the British section of the International Revolutionary Marxist Tendency (IRMT)"

Perhaps Starmer is straight out of the radical trot playbook, and won't be as 'centrist' as he makes out, especially with a huge majority in the hoc.

We can but hope!

 

[mack341]

It's a different thread, but it was tacitly agreed nato would not move closer to the russian border, from sphere of influence (questionable ukr should not be allowed to join EU so as to keep russia happy) to clear advantage in nuclear warfare, we knew the likely reaction would be a war to prevent this.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Nigel 'Brexit' Farage complaining about politics when it enters the realms of being 'dishonest' or 'just not true' has exploded my trusty ironymeter. Even more delicious is that it's specifically the Doolally 'Enemies Of The People' Mail he's complaining about.

The scale of Brexit eating its children is becoming almost biblical, although it's a spectacle I'm certainly content to watch.

Also, to me, dear old Nige seems to be just a bit on the tense side.

 

[mack341]

Wanted to leave you a 'thanks' emoji for that Chopley, but it's not available in this thread.

Getting brought Nige's vids straight to me here is a wonderful service

Wouldn't surprise me that he's a bit angry, but trying to hide that which then creates the tenseness.

Also he's not stopped for 2 weeks, interesting though that he can do these little reaction vids from his hotel room or wherever, using social media, but the other leaders could never do that without looking totally silly.

 

[mcgameboy]

Yes that's a good thing about history Chop, we can look and learn from it:

"From 1986 to 1987, Starmer served as the editor of Socialist Alternatives, a Trotskyist radical magazine. The magazine was produced by an organisation under the same name, which represented the British section of the International Revolutionary Marxist Tendency (IRMT)"

Perhaps Starmer is straight out of the radical trot playbook, and won't be as 'centrist' as he makes out, especially with a huge majority in the hoc.

Fixed

Kweer Charmer is doing what needs to be done to get this GE victory over the line (can't say I can fault him for that tbh, when the chance to obtain power is so tantalisingly close).

Hell, he's actually finally worked out what a woman is now.
And that...gasp... men can't have a cervix.

I never thought I would see the day!

People think Corbyn is the problem. But as fundamentally unlikeable and contemptible as I find him,
Corbyn ISN'T the problem. He might be A problem (supports Hamas, the IRA* etc), but he isn't THE problem.

* That would be the same IRA that once bombed Manchester btw, where a certain libtard on this forum hailed from, before moving to that haven for inbreds, whose name escapes me. What was it called again?

Oh yeah. Moanglesey.

But sure, let's forgive and forget yeah? A few dead Mancunians is mere collateral damage, a price worth paying, when you have a terrorist sympathiser political figure to idolise, after all.

THE problem is Charmer...I mean Starmer. Someone who...

1. while head of the CPS, let Jimmy Saville off the hook, due to "insufficient evidence" (aye dead on )

2. while head of the CPS, did ABSOLUTELY DIDDLY SQUAT about the grooming gangs in Rochdale and Rotherham either and let them off the hook too, because, you know, he didn't want to be seen as Islamaphobic *.

* Or whatever the leftist buzzword for not liking Asian and Muslim kiddie fiddlers is.

Nah. Better to just do nothing and be a condoner and enabler of child sex abuse instead.
But we ordinary Joes can't condemn grooming gangs can we? OHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Because if we do, the leftist morons will go straight to their playbook and start calling us fascists. Or intolerant. Or racist. Haven't you heard everyone? PAEDOPHILES ARE PEOPLE TOO. Especially if they are NON-WHITE PAEDOPHILES.

VIVE LES PAEDOPH ISLES!! BRING ON THE NONCE SENSE!!

But I digress....

3. is a rampant globalist and a bought and paid for WEF stooge. He has made no secret of the fact that if he had to choose between Davos and Westminster, he would pick Davos in a heartbeat. Because Westminster is too "restraining". Hmm, an interesting choice of word there....

4. Joined a secretive group (with links to the CIA no less) while serving in Corbyn's Shadow cabinet.
One of the former heads of the CIA (who was a member of this secretive group) once said "we will do our level best to ensure that Corbyn ISN'T elected".

And WE, the Great British electorate, are supposed to TRUST this guy?



ANYHOW.....we may all get used to the shitshow that awaits us folks. So go stock up on the popcorn.
Labour will win this election and at a canter.
FWIW, the Tories DO DESERVE to have their humiliation served to them cold on July 4th.

My only regret is that it is Sunak who is getting humiliated, instead of that fat oaf with a face that is the same colour as a bloody lobster Boris DePfeffel Boorish Big Haired Fuckwit Johnson and that utterly loathesome c*nt Matt Wankcock.
Frankly, it is a case of good riddance to bad rubbish, because that is exactly what they been. Rubbish.

BUT....

Even with that all said, we will soon find out what the REAL KWEER CHARMER has got in store for us once he gets his blocked sinuses and his flip-flopping arse into Number 10.
Come July 5th, men will be able to have a cervix again. And women will be able to have a penis.
So that's great....if you have aspirations to be a freak.
It's also great if you're a kiddie fiddler. Because you will be granted the freedom to run amok with no fear of consequences. LONG LIVE THE PAEDOPH ISLES AND ALL WHO SODOMISE IN HER...OR HIM!!

I should become a libtard leftie myself. And identify as a mountain goat. And then emigrate to Nepal, where I will likely freeze to death within the next 5 years.
Sounds like a better fate than staying in this joke of a country/lunatic asylum/paedophile haven.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

1. while head of the CPS, let Jimmy Saville off the hook, due to "insufficient evidence" (aye dead on )
edophile haven.

Notwithstanding the rest of your admittedly entertaining, but still nonsensical, wall of histrionics, you do know the above quoted section is simply not true?

It's a lie that Johnson told in the Commons (so he can't get done for it because of parliamentary privilege) and it's maintained some legs ever since.

It has been completely debunked by multiple organisations who've done investigations/fact checks on it.

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Even The Spectator (right wing publication not at all a fan of Labour) were forced to grudgingly concede that Starmer had no direct involvement with the Savile decision, but he did apologise for the failures of the CPS over the case.

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That Savile got away with what he did for so long is an absolute disgrace, no question about that, but Starmer was not to blame.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I should become a libtard leftie myself. And identify as a mountain goat. And then emigrate to Nepal, where I will likely freeze to death within the next 5 years.
Sounds like a better fate than staying in this joke of a country/lunatic asylum/paedophile haven.

Dunno how Nepal feels about waves of immigration from the UK though.

Sorry, it's ex-pats when Brits do it, immigrants for everyone else.

 

[DreamRJ]

But this is why the media sucks in the UK. When the media run those far right stories and soundbites. People who are not actually following politics on a daily basis only hear those soundbites and if their politically swayed to the right/far right themselves of course they will believe what they hear in the media I am talking about sky news/bbc/gb news etc. Papers are all biased anyway same for GB News.

So say my dad who has never followed politics in his life and does not even know the names of the leaders or the PM when asked he might then watch that media coverage about when Johnson made that accusation about Starmer and believe it to be true even though he did not even know who he was.

Media play a big roll in the outcome of elections and that is never going to change until the media get more regulated.

Some media outlets do not even do what they are meant to do and debunk such allegations and accusations they just run with the soundbite grabbing headline and expect viewers to decide if it is true or not.

Media should be their to say facts, not run garbage untrue fake stories of what a far right clown has said.

The proof of what they are suppose to do is in their job roles, "Investigative journalist"

So in the example of Saville they should have done their investigations first and gather as much info as they can to prove if that what Johnson claimed and said was true or not before they ran the story. The media is to blame for a lot of things and these fake un-investigated soundbite grabbing headlines need to fucking stop.

 

[mack341]

But this is why the media sucks in the UK. When the media run those far right stories and soundbites. People who are not actually following politics on a daily basis only hear those soundbites and if their politically swayed to the right/far right themselves of course they will believe what they hear in the media I am talking about sky news/bbc/gb news etc. Papers are all biased anyway same for GB News.

So say my dad who has never followed politics in his life and does not even know the names of the leaders or the PM when asked he might then watch that media coverage about when Johnson made that accusation about Starmer and believe it to be true even though he did not even know who he was.

Media play a big roll in the outcome of elections and that is never going to change until the media get more regulated.

Some media outlets do not even do what they are meant to do and debunk such allegations and accusations they just run with the soundbite grabbing headline and expect viewers to decide if it is true or not.

Media should be their to say facts, not run garbage untrue fake stories of what a far right clown has said.

The proof of what they are suppose to do is in their job roles, "Investigative journalist"

So in the example of Saville they should have done their investigations first and gather as much info as they can to prove if that what Johnson claimed and said was true or not before they ran the story. The media is to blame for a lot of things and these fake un-investigated soundbite grabbing headlines need to fucking stop.

Clear this up for me, was keir head of the cps when they decided not to proceed with a case against saville?

Edit: sorry I see from Chopley's post that he was, I simply do not believe a case against a person of that significance in the uk would not reach the ears of cps chief.

 

[thr0b]

Clear this up for me, was keir head of the cps when they decided not to proceed with a case against saville?

You should read the links in Chopley’s post up there.

 

[itsme123]

But this is why the media sucks in the UK. When the media run those far right stories and soundbites. People who are not actually following politics on a daily basis only hear those soundbites and if their politically swayed to the right/far right themselves of course they will believe what they hear in the media I am talking about sky news/bbc/gb news etc. Papers are all biased anyway same for GB News.

So say my dad who has never followed politics in his life and does not even know the names of the leaders or the PM when asked he might then watch that media coverage about when Johnson made that accusation about Starmer and believe it to be true even though he did not even know who he was.

Media play a big roll in the outcome of elections and that is never going to change until the media get more regulated.

Some media outlets do not even do what they are meant to do and debunk such allegations and accusations they just run with the soundbite grabbing headline and expect viewers to decide if it is true or not.

Media should be their to say facts, not run garbage untrue fake stories of what a far right clown has said.

The proof of what they are suppose to do is in their job roles, "Investigative journalist"

So in the example of Saville they should have done their investigations first and gather as much info as they can to prove if that what Johnson claimed and said was true or not before they ran the story. The media is to blame for a lot of things and these fake un-investigated soundbite grabbing headlines need to fucking stop.

But it’s a fact that Stamer was head of CPS when a decision was made not to prosecute Saville, and whilst he may not have been the reviewing lawyer it happened on his watch.
So what’s wrong with media outlets reporting facts, or maybe you don’t want facts that you don’t like being reported…

 

[ChopleyIOM]

But it’s a fact that Stamer was head of CPS when a decision was made not to prosecute Saville, and whilst he may not have been the reviewing lawyer it happened on his watch.
So what’s wrong with media outlets reporting facts, or maybe you don’t want facts that you don’t like being reported…

That's not what we're specifically talking about here though, it's the original lie told by Johnson in the Commons, repeated above by mcgameboy, and it still comes up now, often brought up against Starmer is the claim that 'he let Jimmy Savile off'.

I mean, I know 'Johnson is a desperate liar who will say literally anything to get himself out of a tight spot' is hardly headline news and indeed his entire modus operandi, but stuff like this is really bad for our political system.

And Starmer apologised, as the head of the organisation, for what happened on his watch, even though he had no direct involvement with the decision.

 

[mack341]

I seem to remember when JS was still alive, the sun newspaper published a picture of him at the notorious jersey children's home, and he warned them off with legal threats.

Not sure of the dates, but surely KS would've been aware of that going on, or are we to believe the cps head is just too busy to notice potential cases against highly significant public figures.

 

[pinnit2014]

It's a sad state of affairs when left wing people are endorsing the current Labour guise: their manifesto is more akin, or even more right, than Blairs '97. Anyone but the Tories is what will get Labour in, not Labour's actual policies. Jesus wept.

I don't care or want to get into Starmer's Saville issues, it's low hanging fruit if this is what the right wing media is clinging onto. Though, in todays era, the media holds less sway than in previous years. - though i personally despair at people voting for Reform/GB News

 

[pinnit2014]

I seem to remember when JS was still alive, the sun newspaper published a picture of him at the notorious jersey children's home, and he warned them off with legal threats.

Not sure of the dates, but surely KS would've been aware of that going on, or are we to believe the cps head is just too busy to notice potential cases against highly significant public figures.

Given that the Sun had Kelvin Mackenzie, Murdoch apprentice, i take any/if at all, anything they come away with with any credence

 

[itsme123]

That's not what we're specifically talking about here though, it's the original lie told by Johnson in the Commons, repeated above by mcgameboy, and it still comes up now, often brought up against Starmer is the claim that 'he let Jimmy Savile off'.

I mean, I know 'Johnson is a desperate liar who will say literally anything to get himself out of a tight spot' is hardly headline news and indeed his entire modus operandi, but stuff like this is really bad for our political system.

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And Starmer apologised, as the head of the organisation, for what happened on his watch, even though he had no direct involvement with the decision.


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Obviously he didnt think it was high profile enough to be briefed or updated on the case.... makes me wonder what will slip by on his watch when he's PM..

 

[pinnit2014]

As much as it pains me, i will agree with Chopley re Farage - what a thoroughly unpleasant individual he is. His mask has slipped a few times in the last few weeks (not great considering they're 7 seats at best)....but it's depressing the whole, beer drinking, England top wearing, man of the people persona - when he's essentially a privately educated, City Trader, member of the 'establishment' (whatever that means), as there is.

 

[mack341]

Given that the Sun had Kelvin Mackenzie, Murdoch apprentice, i take any/if at all, anything they come away with with any credence

Yeah it didn't slightly pain me to write that with a straight face!

 

[The Dude]

I hope you don't mind the occasional yank to chime in here every so often.

But what liberal lefty spewed this crap??

Thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we're a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas, and always on the cutting edge, always leading the world to the next frontier. This quality is vital to our future as a nation. If we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost.

Yeah - it's Ronald Reagan. What a shame that the new right-winging xenophobes can't wrap their head around the fact that today's foreigners are tomorrow's entrepreneurs. Besides that - what about the amazing food recipes that they bring with them?

 

[pinnit2014]

Yeah it didn't slightly pain me to write that with a straight face!

I know but in the spirit of impartiality, we gotta go on

 

[pinnit2014]

But this is why the media sucks in the UK. When the media run those far right stories and soundbites. People who are not actually following politics on a daily basis only hear those soundbites and if their politically swayed to the right/far right themselves of course they will believe what they hear in the media I am talking about sky news/bbc/gb news etc. Papers are all biased anyway same for GB News.

So say my dad who has never followed politics in his life and does not even know the names of the leaders or the PM when asked he might then watch that media coverage about when Johnson made that accusation about Starmer and believe it to be true even though he did not even know who he was.

Media play a big roll in the outcome of elections and that is never going to change until the media get more regulated.

Some media outlets do not even do what they are meant to do and debunk such allegations and accusations they just run with the soundbite grabbing headline and expect viewers to decide if it is true or not.

Media should be their to say facts, not run garbage untrue fake stories of what a far right clown has said.

The proof of what they are suppose to do is in their job roles, "Investigative journalist"

So in the example of Saville they should have done their investigations first and gather as much info as they can to prove if that what Johnson claimed and said was true or not before they ran the story. The media is to blame for a lot of things and these fake un-investigated soundbite grabbing headlines need to fucking stop.

Well, the current trends suggest this is the current media drive campaign so far - it's only the Sun verging on endorsing Labour as Starmer has taken to writing in the Telegraph

And to give them dues, the Times is still breaking some great journalism, u just need to know where to look

 

[dunover]

I hope you don't mind the occasional yank to chime in here every so often.

But what liberal lefty spewed this crap??



Yeah - it's Ronald Reagan. What a shame that the new right-winging xenophobes can't wrap their head around the fact that today's foreigners are tomorrow's entrepreneurs. Besides that - what about the amazing food recipes that they bring with them?

Assuming of course the foreigners are properly filtered and vetted and don't just swarm the borders so you also let in tomorrow's terrorists, healthcare problems, welfare spongers, rapists, paedophiles, drug dealers, fraudsters, religious nutters, tax dodgers and other recidivists.

As for food, why would 10,000 Britons need to turn up in China say so they could experience a Sunday roast or decent fish & chips? With global education, trade in ingredients and information via the web, I'm sure an American could cook a decent Korma or knock up a nice chow mein. I've never bought into the bogus 'food' benefit!

This is what the issue is in most European countries and indeed the US - the policy seems to be to allow 100,000 illegals in then adjust the narrative when a dozen open restaurants and another 50 start a business in few years, while quietly not mentioning the 40,000 living on welfare, the 10,000 convicted of crimes etc.

A proper system would suspend citizenship until say a period of 10-15 years' good conduct had been established, in that period anything other than a petty offence would result in arrest and mandatory deportation with no appeals and forfeiture of any property or assets accrued. In other words, yes we've a nice house, we will let you live in it according to our rules - break 'em and you'll be ejected through the door you entered by.

 

[mack341]

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The US HBO Show 'Last Week Tonight' ran an extended segment on the UK General Election a couple of nights ago, culminating in this magnificent conclusion.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Nice to see Canada are taking illegal immigration seriously.

 

[maxd]

... This is what the issue is in most European countries and indeed the US - the policy seems to be to allow 100,000 illegals in then adjust the narrative when a dozen open restaurants and another 50 start a business in few years, while quietly not mentioning the 40,000 living on welfare, the 10,000 convicted of crimes etc. ...

Utter nonsense! An excellent example of "pull some random threatening rubbish out of your ass and let them do the work to prove you're full of it". Not to mention being a page stolen from every fascist, xenophobic rant ever written.

Immigration works perfectly fine in a good many countries -- my own home country included -- for the simple reason that the vast majority of immigrants are perfectly decent people. Claiming otherwise is contrary to the facts, to history, and to common sense. It's just red meat to raise the dogs of hate and oppression. Sadly there seems to be quite an appetite for that sort of thing these days.

And speaking of appetites, if you believe that an internet recipe and a trip to the grocery store is all that's required to create delicious, authentic cuisine from around the world then you're telling us more about your own tastes and eating habits than you are about what's really on offer from the world beyond the UK's borders.

I've been in love with Indian, Mexican, Italian, Greek, Chinese, Lebanese and Thai food my whole life and I've been cooking for my family since I was 12 years old but rarely, if ever, do I even come close to equalling what a half decent home-grown cook of those great food cultures is able to offer. If you don't believe it then that's because your eyes are closed and your tastebuds went with them. The many millions of tourists travelling the globe to enjoy authentic foreign food apparently have quite a lot to say to the contrary.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

As much as it pains me, i will agree with Chopley re Farage - what a thoroughly unpleasant individual he is. His mask has slipped a few times in the last few weeks (not great considering they're 7 seats at best)....but it's depressing the whole, beer drinking, England top wearing, man of the people persona - when he's essentially a privately educated, City Trader, member of the 'establishment' (whatever that means), as there is.

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[amandajm]

I've lived through, imo, 18 years of Thatcher/Major Tory misrule. 14 Blair/Brown Labour misrule. 13 more of the current, too many to name, Tory incumbents, trolling us.

They look down at us, not represent, not work for. Neither even try to honour manifesto blurb.

Result: Farage might be kingmaker in 5 years, if not PM. omg;

 

[maxd]

... Farage might be kingmaker in 5 years, if not PM. ...

As far as horrific visions of the future go that is right up there with the worst of them. When beasts rule, men of moderate nature are the enemies of the state.