Your Input Please Fed-up with disconnections

[lockinlove]

Why stay quiet? If its your opinion then fight for it dont give up so easy.

Look at last year. I was the only one not to care what this forum thought of me and decided to call out Rolastan. Then suddenly you saw a few well respected regs join in against some of the others who were trying to mock me for it.

And what do we come to find out? Alot of people did not trust him and low and behold he gets banned for insulting and belittling casinos behind the scenes.

If we all followed the masses, it would be a very boring forum.

 

[Jd666]

^^^ These are the reason for deciding to keep "mum' in future.

Tirilej, no need to my data collection. You have your hobby, which i would never about, i have mine.

Having studied maths for 5 years at the university majoring in statistical analysis, i can truthfully say i know a little about random events and this data collection has become my hobby. It has served me well in many ways. You would be surprised what you can read from numbers.

I can tell you honestly that every time i apply my statistical analysis when i play i end up winning. I lose worst when i just sit in front of the box and chuck away with medium - high bets without looking at what is happening.

Just to give you one example from today:

- Small depo at VS, playing DOA
- start playing with 10 minimum bets, good pays straight away
- from my previous data i know something good will happen before spin 25 and again pretty quickly after that
- up my bet to 0.18 and on spin 14 i get 3 x scatter, pays 75 x bet
- 27 spins later - 3 scatter again - pays only 8 x bet
- my data now suggest it will take roughly 100-120 spins before i see 3 scatter again and that will most probably will be a good pay and it will quickly give 3 scatter after that again which will pay little
- so i play along with 0.09$ bets and after 100 spins i up to 0.18 again
- it starts showing 2 x scatter a few times and i up the bet 0.27
- i was slightly wrong by 7 spins with my prediction of 100-120, the 3 x scatter came in on spin 127
- 4 reels covered with wilds, pays just under 200 x bet
- since it will pay nothing on the next round i reduce my bet to 0.09$
- 9 spins in i get the 3 x scatter, pays 10 x bet
- so on i go and wait again 100 spins before upping my bet
- at spins 134 @ 0.27 - 3 x scatter - pays only 32 x bet, hence i know it won't give a second round quickly
- my data suggest it will be around 200 spins before it hits again 3 x scatter
- so i stay low at 0.09 and 0.18 until i have done 150 spins
- i up my bet to 0.36 and i know if it will show at least 1 x 4OAK in these 10 spins i will have 3 x scatter soon
- on spin 154 i get 4OAK Hats
- so i stay on 0.36 and on spin 184 it hits 3 x scatter
- pays a measly 14 x bet, data suggests it should give at least 1 or 2 times more 3 x scatter
- if it does that and it still pays little i will have a good 5OAK within 50-75 spins
- indeed within 50 spins i get 2 x 3 scatter which pay 10-16 x bet
- 8 spins after the 3rd bonus round i get 5OAK Pistols
- when it does that it will give either another bonus round or a 2nd 5 OAK soon
- 42 spins later i get 5OAK Boots
- my data suggests now that it will be either 340-360 or 400 - 410 spins before i see 3 scatter again and if it doesn't pay enough to get my balance significantly up again, i will bust out
- stupidly i do not leave the slot, wanting to believe that it will be random and it won't take that long
- between spin 340 - 360 i get 6 x 2 scatter but it doesn't hit the 3, so i know it will be just over 400
- on spin 408 i get 3 x scatter, pays 26 x bet
- now i know it is game over and if i stay on the slot i will bust out, even if you get another 3 x scatter, the pay won't be enough to recover
- which happens 12 minutes later because i did not follow my data

EDIT: bust-out delayed by 6 minutes after getting the notorious and mandatory 3 x scatter with the last few spins on a 0.09$ bet.

So depo 25, peaked at 70 - if i would have followed my data to the "T" i could have withdrawn a 45$ profit. Believing in the randomness of the slot has taken it away again.

I played yesterday at 32RED once without even looking at data or keeping track what the slot is doing and lost 500$ in less than 3 hours.

Very interesting is that Harry.
I must have been playing it same time as you at VS.
Just had the most frustrating bonus round I ever had on it.
I'll post a screenie in the DOA thread

 

[Tirilej]

Tirilej, no need to my data collection. You have your hobby, which i would never about, i have mine.

I'm sorry for that eek2, but it wasn't sarcasm, but more a surprise.

I think it's very sad that you as an experienced member who many here trust and newbies are listening to, think you can predict the outcome of games.
You can't because they are random.

What you are saying is that casinos are cheating using disconnections and that I have to question. They are not.
Even if I told you I very rarily get disconnected and that it has not happened at 32Red for example, this year when playing, would you believe me?
Even if you did would you say that they don't have any reason to disconnect me since I'm a low roller?

I don't mind you sharing your thoughts and post about them, but yes I'm scared people believe you because you're a popular guy here.

Still don't want you to stop posting Harry because I like you and you are nice and helpful, and very smart

 

[Harry_BKK]

I'm sorry for that eek2, but it wasn't sarcasm, but more a surprise.

1. I think it's very sad that you as an experienced member who many here trust and newbies are listening to, think you can predict the outcome of games.
You can't because they are random.

2. What you are saying is that casinos are cheating using disconnections and that I have to question. They are not.
Even if I told you I very rarily get disconnected and that it has not happened at 32Red for example, this year when playing, would you believe me?
Even if you did would you say that they don't have any reason to disconnect me since I'm a low roller?

I don't mind you sharing your thoughts and post about them, but yes I'm scared people believe you because you're a popular guy here.

Still don't want you to stop posting Harry because I like you and you are nice and helpful, and very smart

1. I surely do not encourage any one in the slightest here to think that a random event, such as a slot spin result, can be 100% predicted.

I don't know how much you know about random events and statistical analysis?! However, I can show you my logs, 7-8/10 i end up a winner when following my calculations to the "T". The analysis is certainly not easy to do nor does it give you 100% accuracy. They are predictions as it is done in many areas of research where statistical analysis is used to narrow down possible outcomes.

2. I never said they are cheating. All I said was that it is a strange accumulation of coincidences and i do not trust them 100% since it is all software written by people, monitored by people and controlled by people.

Do i still play? Hell yes , it is part of the fun to see my numbers getting a result. As i said i only lose big time when i just sit in front of the box not seeing the obvious that the slot will not pay in this session and i keep hammering away with high bets. And that is annoyingly too often. Every time I just trust blindly that randomness i will fail badly as you could see from my stats that i posted in the Christmas thread.

One more example from just now:

32RED - still had a 100$ balance from the disaster last night where i lost 500$ from a 600$ withdrawal by playing aimlessly at 0.90-2.70bets on Centre Court. Yet, today i do the same mistake only with smaller bets, within 1000spins i see nothing worth mentioning

Frustrated at myself, i leave the slot and restart with just 10$ and 0.09bets

- 10 spins in - 3 x scatter, pays 25x bet
- i am now at 28 spins in total
- now i look at my data for Centre Court which tells me that i should leave it running for another 100 spins, which i do @ 0.09 and 0.18
- after those 100 spins i need to up my bet which i do to 0.27 (with a balance of just 5 bucks)
- free spins as predicted on spin 124 (total 152) - pays 54 x bet
- my logs tell me i will have free spins again within 15-20 bets
- i increase to 0.36$ , on spin 12 = 3 x scatter, pays only 22 x bet
- logs tell me all will be quiet for 200 spins, i am now at spin 180 and did not have another 3 x scatter
- etc etc.

EDIT 3 x scatter after 211 spins

Of course, i am not always right and get it wrong enough times to keep me on my toes to better my analysis skills, however, a random event can never be predicted with 100% accuracy.

One of my profs at uni said once:

"If you can trust something in this universe than it is numbers"

I think he pretty nailed it

 

[Tirilej]

1. I surely do not encourage any one in the slightest here to think that a random event, such as a slot spin result, can be 100% predicted.

I don't know how much you know about random events and statistical analysis?! However, I can show you my logs, 7-8/10 i end up a winner when following my calculations to the "T". The analysis is certainly not easy to do nor does it give you 100% accuracy. They are predictions as it is done in many areas of research where statistical analysis is used to narrow down possible outcomes.

2. I never said they are cheating. All I said was that it is a strange accumulation of coincidences and i do not trust them 100% since it is all software written by people, monitored by people and controlled by people.

Do i still play? Hell yes , it is part of the fun to see my numbers getting a result. As i said i only lose big time when i just sit in front of the box not seeing the obvious that the slot will not pay in this session and i keep hammering away with high bets. And that is annoyingly too often. Every time I just trust blindly that randomness i will fail badly as you could see from my stats that i posted in the Christmas thread.

One more example from just now:

32RED - still had a 100$ balance from the disaster last night where i lost 500$ from a 600$ withdrawal by playing aimlessly at 0.90-2.70bets on Centre Court. Yet, today i do the same mistake only with smaller bets, within 1000spins i see nothing worth mentioning

Frustrated at myself, i leave the slot and restart with just 10$ and 0.09bets

- 10 spins in - 3 x scatter, pays 25x bet
- i am now at 28 spins in total
- now i look at my data for Centre Court which tells me that i should leave it running for another 100 spins, which i do @ 0.09 and 0.18
- after those 100 spins i need to up my bet which i do to 0.27 (with a balance of just 5 bucks)
- free spins as predicted on spin 124 (total 152) - pays 54 x bet
- my logs tell me i will have free spins again within 15-20 bets
- i increase to 0.36$ , on spin 12 = 3 x scatter, pays only 22 x bet
- logs tell me all will be quiet for 200 spins, i am now at spin 180 and did not have another 3 x scatter
- etc etc.

Of course, i am not always right and get it wrong enough times to keep me on my toes to better my analysis skills, however, a random event can never be predicted with 100% accuracy.

One of my profs at uni said once:

"If you can trust something in this universe than it is numbers"

I think he pretty nailed it

I'm sure it's entertaining to try and predict random events because that's what you're doing. Nothing can make me believe otherwise

I've been reading these kind of threads for many years now, so normally I don't bother much. Right now I do just because it's you typing.
Unfortunately I'm not interested in reading any persons stats so I don't. They are about the same all the time going up and down as they should do.
Funny you now reversed a win and still trying to predict the outcome (Now he fits in perfectly)

I guess there is nothing I or anyone can say that will make you change your mind, so we'll just continue these threads and the next time someone else are complaining and someone else are speaking against or with the person. That's the life of Casinomeister

 

[shewoff]

Wow Harry your data compilation must be vast? As I have seen that in order for you to be able to even try to figure out the play of any certain game you must collect HUGE amount,s of data? Is this not so? I do agree that if you have the ability to look at group,s of number,s in a random manner and tell to a certain degree what they will do that is indeed a good thing to have when playing these slot,s. Each game is different but the casino it,self will tell you what the RTP is set at and then you can set your data into motion and predict to a certain degree what the out come will be? That being if it is 95% or 99% with this your schooling will assist you in being able to tell what the chance,s are? Indeed you do have a edge over the common player who just set,s the auto roll and wait,s for the outcome. Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff​

 

[hedgehok]

What a mess of a thread this has evolved into.

So let me please add what I consider to be worth contributing.

It's okay and part of gambling to have the occasional tin-foil moment and it can free oneself to just rant about a bad session.

However apart from being very annoying disconnects have no influence on the TRTP of future spins. I don't say that the session would have been the same without the disconnect - I just say the TRTP is the same.

I think what we can observe here is a good example of the

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"...the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities."

So if the cat farts for the first time and you have a bad session subsequently your brain puts these completely unrelated events in a relation and if the cat farts a second time while gambling you remember your past bad session and expect it again to happen. The more often this kind of unrelated events happen together the more your brain is biased towards believing these two events have a correlation which they obviously don't have.

Another example for that is the so called "Super Bowl indicator" which means that if a certain team wins the super bowl the stock exchange market is supposed to go up/down respectively.

Harry, of course when you collect a lot of data and analyse it AFTER the events you find certain patterns of wins/bonus-rounds after a certain amount of spins and try to use these patterns to predict future events. But it's nothing else then with the super bowl example. There is no logical correlation between the event "disconnect" and the event "lower then TRTP in the subsequent session".

And don't threaten to post less because you feel offended by people that don't share your opinion. Just agree to disagree and shake hands! Peace out.

 

[Jono777]

Outcomes are random yes. TRTP lifetime will be pretty darn close!

Patterns exist, fact!

Experience of a particular game can influence end result, bankroll wise profit/loss.

Harry's 'stat' post was an excellent read as this is an accurate reflection of my DOA play most if not all sessions.

End result if if a player 'Knows what they are doing' they stand a much better chance than a 'Oh lets try playing online for the first time' type of player.

Really don't want to blow my own trumpet but I have had annual profit for 8 years, no one is THAT lucky so knowledge etc must play a part, even if only a small one

 

[interlog]

Interesting stats there Harry.

I have been keeping my own stats and thought that I could predict when it was going to give a bonus. The results were not pretty because the slot threw a spanner in the works and I busted perhaps too quick because I upped the money without a bonus round forthcoming when it was well overdue.

So my strategy from now on is a pretty simple one. I will stick to a bet I am comfortable with and reduce the bet size as they money drains away, upping it again as I recover. I will also cash out once I reached a certain level no matter how well the slot appears to be playing.

So far, this year, I am £700 in profit working this system (but this is helped with cashback and race money at Videoslots else it would be much less!) but at some point it was over £1000 so the money is draining away slowly.

 

[Jono777]

Interesting stats there Harry.

I have been keeping my own stats and thought that I could predict when it was going to give a bonus. The results were not pretty because the slot threw a spanner in the works and I busted perhaps too quick because I upped the money without a bonus round forthcoming when it was well overdue.

So my strategy from now on is a pretty simple one. I will stick to a bet I am comfortable with and reduce the bet size as they money drains away, upping it again as I recover. I will also cash out once I reached a certain level no matter how well the slot appears to be playing.

So far, this year, I am £700 in profit working this system (but this is helped with cashback and race money at Videoslots else it would be much less!) but at some point it was over £1000 so the money is draining away slowly.

Won't go far wrong sticking to that strategy

GL for a WL or a 4-Reel WD very soon

 

[Harry_BKK]

Wow Harry your data compilation must be vast? As I have seen that in order for you to be able to even try to figure out the play of any certain game you must collect HUGE amount,s of data? Is this not so? I do agree that if you have the ability to look at group,s of number,s in a random manner and tell to a certain degree what they will do that is indeed a good thing to have when playing these slot,s. Each game is different but the casino it,self will tell you what the RTP is set at and then you can set your data into motion and predict to a certain degree what the out come will be? That being if it is 95% or 99% with this your schooling will assist you in being able to tell what the chance,s are? Indeed you do have a edge over the common player who just set,s the auto roll and wait,s for the outcome. Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff​

Tons of data Half my storage on my laptop is collected data for all sorts of things.

E.g i collect various data to predict when i can successfully secure a potential project with a client. Hit rate here is 98.34%

Years ago I was part of a science enthusiasts group and once we gave us the challenge to predict the next natural disaster. Our results were exact to 3 days and that was the catastrophic tsunami in the Indian Ocean over 11 years ago. We didn't go to any authorities as we just didn't feel at the time that somebody would believe a few "dorks" with a data analysis hobby and secondly, we could not pin point the exact location. I am sure with more data with would have been able to narrow that down too. A few weeks later we found out where the exact location was, unfortunately.

Just another example what numbers can tell us if you analyze them in the right way.

Does it help me when i play slots. Yes, if i concentrate all the time. Unfortunately, i leave my play too often to "good luck" and that turns very rarely into success.

 

[Harry_BKK]

What a mess of a thread this has evolved into.

So let me please add what I consider to be worth contributing.

It's okay and part of gambling to have the occasional tin-foil moment and it can free oneself to just rant about a bad session.

However apart from being very annoying disconnects have no influence on the TRTP of future spins. I don't say that the session would have been the same without the disconnect - I just say the TRTP is the same.

I think what we can observe here is a good example of the

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"...the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities."

So if the cat farts for the first time and you have a bad session subsequently your brain puts these completely unrelated events in a relation and if the cat farts a second time while gambling you remember your past bad session and expect it again to happen. The more often this kind of unrelated events happen together the more your brain is biased towards believing these two events have a correlation which they obviously don't have.

Another example for that is the so called "Super Bowl indicator" which means that if a certain team wins the super bowl the stock exchange market is supposed to go up/down respectively.

Harry, of course when you collect a lot of data and analyse it AFTER the events you find certain patterns of wins/bonus-rounds after a certain amount of spins and try to use these patterns to predict future events. But it's nothing else then with the super bowl example. There is no logical correlation between the event "disconnect" and the event "lower then TRTP in the subsequent session".

And don't threaten to post less because you feel offended by people that don't share your opinion. Just agree to disagree and shake hands! Peace out.

See where you coming from mate. Sure you have a point.

I still insist that number will always tell me something.

And i will probably keep posting

 

[interlog]

Harry, what do your stats say about not getting a bleeding bonus round or a 5OAK on DOA on a £25 deposit at £0.09 a spin?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Outcomes are random yes. TRTP lifetime will be pretty darn close!

Patterns exist, fact!

Experience of a particular game can influence end result, bankroll wise profit/loss.

Harry's 'stat' post was an excellent read as this is an accurate reflection of my DOA play most if not all sessions.

End result if if a player 'Knows what they are doing' they stand a much better chance than a 'Oh lets try playing online for the first time' type of player.

Really don't want to blow my own trumpet but I have had annual profit for 8 years, no one is THAT lucky so knowledge etc must play a part, even if only a small one

Thanks mate

Great work to have annual profit 8 years in a row, that is just fantastic Jon, when you think that the odds are constantly stacked against you

I couldn't say the same for 8 years but certainly for the best part of 8 i would be in profit too if i deduct the "bad losses" where i just chuck away with the spins and lose tons. Most prominent was last August after I hit that WL on a 4.50EUR bet at Redbet. I played that following Friday at 32RED with the 100% DOTD and had a 3,500AUD withdrawal pending. Saturday i decided to reverse first a part then all of it, got unnerved and chucked another 5,000AUD into the damn slots that day with no good playtime whatsoever. Not blaming 32RED at all here, by the way.

Very costly mistake and only because i did not follow my numbers, which would have highlighted the potential disaster and left my play to "sheer luck and randomness". Never lost that much in a day again until last week, where i repeated the same shit with DOA on 3 casinos over 3 days (see posts in the "last night on dead or alive" thread).

I just have this urge now and then to go on a high rolling bender looking to have that "luck moment" without having to concentrate on numbers.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Harry, what do your stats say about not getting a bleeding bonus round or a 5OAK on DOA on a £25 deposit at £0.09 a spin?

Mate, my stats tell me very clearly that if I do not hit anything good in the first 300 spins than the probability for a bust out, without a significant recovery in between, is very close to 100%, unless you have a huge bankroll and can wait it out on minimum bets.

 

[interlog]

Mate, my stats tell me very clearly that if I do not hit anything good in the first 300 spins than the probability for a bust out, without a significant recovery in between, is very close to 100%, unless you have a huge bankroll and can wait it out on minimum bets.

Just looked a the stats for that session and I staked £44.01 and won £19.04 off a £25 deposit. It was easily the worst session I ever had on this slot.

Do your statistics say anything about how a slot plays during certain times of the day because I have the firm believe that all of the slots play crap in the afternoon UK time and play much better between 02:00 and 07:00 in the morning UK time?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Interesting stats there Harry.

I have been keeping my own stats and thought that I could predict when it was going to give a bonus. The results were not pretty because the slot threw a spanner in the works and I busted perhaps too quick because I upped the money without a bonus round forthcoming when it was well overdue.

So my strategy from now on is a pretty simple one. I will stick to a bet I am comfortable with and reduce the bet size as they money drains away, upping it again as I recover. I will also cash out once I reached a certain level no matter how well the slot appears to be playing.

So far, this year, I am £700 in profit working this system (but this is helped with cashback and race money at Videoslots else it would be much less!) but at some point it was over £1000 so the money is draining away slowly.

It is not just collecting data and counting the amount of spins.

It is the correct analysis of the available data which narrow down possible outcomes, in our case a winning spin result e.g. 5OAK/bonus round. I use various aspects, like payout total x bet in the last bonus round, amount winning or losing spins before the bonus round, average spins between winning spins, average spins between bonus rounds etc (you can all laugh now ... but in statistical analysis such data is important), just to name a few and created an algorithm for myself to save me from wading through tons of data every time. 7-8/10 the result i get narrows it down to 10-20 spins, sometimes even to just a few spins.

It can't always say of course if it is a big payout or i might even end up with a lower balance after that "winning event". But i worked on that one too and about 3/10 i can say if it will pay well in the bonus round. So you see, plenty of times i am wrong but it is my hobby to work on those numbers and is just fun for me. Luckily i can afford it.

In the end beating the house edge all the time is very difficult or even impossible without discipline/budget limits as e.g. Jon applies it.

FYI, i collected data only for DOA, Centre Court and Thunderstruck 2.

 

[hedgehok]

Outcomes are random yes. TRTP lifetime will be pretty darn close!

Patterns exist, fact!

Experience of a particular game can influence end result, bankroll wise profit/loss.

Harry's 'stat' post was an excellent read as this is an accurate reflection of my DOA play most if not all sessions.

End result if if a player 'Knows what they are doing' they stand a much better chance than a 'Oh lets try playing online for the first time' type of player.

Really don't want to blow my own trumpet but I have had annual profit for 8 years, no one is THAT lucky so knowledge etc must play a part, even if only a small one

Experience of a particular game influences the end result?
Give me a logical explanation apart from the gut feeling when the slot is hot or cold. The smartest move would be to stay away from making a single spin. If you play and like to influence your end result in a positive way then do your research of TRTP and variance figures and set upper and lower boundaries when to stop.

Congratulations on your annual results. However how do you explain them? Being ahead 8 consecutive years can't be explained as "luck".

 

[Harry_BKK]

Just looked a the stats for that session and I staked £44.01 and won £19.04 off a £25 deposit. It was easily the worst session I ever had on this slot.

Do your statistics say anything about how a slot plays during certain times of the day because I have the firm believe that all of the slots play crap in the afternoon UK time and play much better between 02:00 and 07:00 in the morning UK time?

DELETED. Double posting for some strange reason.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Just looked a the stats for that session and I staked £44.01 and won £19.04 off a £25 deposit. It was easily the worst session I ever had on this slot.

Do your statistics say anything about how a slot plays during certain times of the day because I have the firm believe that all of the slots play crap in the afternoon UK time and play much better between 02:00 and 07:00 in the morning UK time?

That is terribly low RTP for that session mate

Very difficult to analyze with the data on hand. E.g. I hit a WL or 5x scatter virtually spread all over the day/night. Hence, i rather analyze for the session i am doing.

To pinpoint a time I would need more data, lots of it, e.g. a log from a casino for maybe 1 month showing active players on a slot every second of the day with the result for every spin, big payout frequencies, payout averages etc etc.. .lots more data to even come close to be able to narrow it down to a certain time of the day. You would also need to know then how many players are on the slot at the moment you load it, which you are never able to find out. So this would certainly be much more difficult and complex but also an interesting challenge.

 

[Jono777]

Experience of a particular game influences the end result?
Give me a logical explanation apart from the gut feeling when the slot is hot or cold. The smartest move would be to stay away from making a single spin. If you play and like to influence your end result in a positive way then do your research of TRTP and variance figures and set upper and lower boundaries when to stop.

Congratulations on your annual results. However how do you explain them? Being ahead 8 consecutive years can't be explained as "luck".

Nope!

I meant experience of when to leave a particular (heavily played/favourite game) or maybe when to up stakes for a few spins that's all, yes gut feeling is possibly a fair explanation but I do set loss/profit limits per game also.

If I see winners screenshots the following day indicating a game was still 'red hot' and I closed it off, no problem I still look at it as I made a profit.

Cannot explain the profit over 8 years but I promise you it is the truth. All I can put it down to is obviously some luck but as you say not entirely luck alone. Maybe a good choice of regular favourite slots ??, sticking to low rolling bet sizes so there is always chance of a 'recovery' on a poorly started session??

I have been involved in the 'gambling trade' in general for 25 years also, maybe that contributes somehow??

Sorry for the vague answers Hedge but I really do not know the answer myself.

Everything I do is fully honest and above board so maybe I am just one jammy git !!

 

[Jd666]

Nope!

I meant experience of when to leave a particular (heavily played/favourite game) or maybe when to up stakes for a few spins that's all, yes gut feeling is possibly a fair explanation but I do set loss/profit limits per game also.

If I see winners screenshots the following day indicating a game was still 'red hot' and I closed it off, no problem I still look at it as I made a profit.

Cannot explain the profit over 8 years but I promise you it is the truth. All I can put it down to is obviously some luck but as you say not entirely luck alone. Maybe a good choice of regular favourite slots ??, sticking to low rolling bet sizes so there is always chance of a 'recovery' on a poorly started session??

I have been involved in the 'gambling trade' in general for 25 years also, maybe that contributes somehow??

Sorry for the vague answers Hedge but I really do not know the answer myself.

Everything I do is fully honest and above board so maybe I am just one jammy git !!

To be honest, there hasnt been a year gone by where i have ended up in the red either, been slotting for a good ten years now.
But im also a lowroller, there would have been loads of sessions where i would have busted out even if i had done 60p spins.
I'll never get £1000's in withdrawals but even if i double a deposit then im happy.
And the 243 ways slots have helped the past few years since TS2 came out, yes they can be brutal but the times i have been down to my last few quid and then its suddenly changed.

EDIT.... also been rubbish sessions where i haven't lasted 30 minutes lol

 

[Jono777]

^^ A good point indeed!^^

In addition to my previous post, I also think another contribution to my winning status is never being greedy.

As you say to double your deposit or maybe a cheeky £80 from a £20 deposit and I am more than happy, the way I look at it, yes its a small profit but it covers your next 'x' deposits and your own funds remain untouched.

Another small thought I also had was I very, very rarely reverse and allow only a small playing balance after making any withdrawals.

 

[Jd666]

^^ A good point indeed!^^

In addition to my previous post, I also think another contribution to my winning status is never being greedy.

As you say to double your deposit or maybe a cheeky £80 from a £20 deposit and I am more than happy, the way I look at it, yes its a small profit but it covers your next 'x' deposits and your own funds remain untouched.

Another small thought I also had was I very, very rarely reverse and allow only a small playing balance after making any withdrawals.

I have only ever had two withdrawals over £1000 and both from £25 deposits with a bonus.
I like bonuses because you have to keep playing, somtimes on Videoslots and could double or triple my deposit and think sod it im withdrawing because thats another 2 or 3 sessions.

But with a bonus, you have to carry on and sometimes that carrying on works in your favour when you are lowrolling.
It usually takes me 4 or 5 part mornings to complete a biggish WR if the slots are playing average.

Even if i bust, i still have had all that slotting time from 1 deposit unless it was a stinker session.

Got 1 more morning at Rizk in the morning, currently at £440 from a £34 deposit, still £310 to wager though. Lost £110 this morning but turned over £600 and odd but the 243 ways were having none of it today.
If it was a straight deposit, i might have chickened out at £70-£100 and withdrew.
Wont get a massive withdrawal but been playing it since they opened up for UK.

Never ever reversed either, because by the time i have finished a session, im bored with the slots until the next day.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Just looked a the stats for that session and I staked £44.01 and won £19.04 off a £25 deposit. It was easily the worst session I ever had on this slot.

Do your statistics say anything about how a slot plays during certain times of the day because I have the firm believe that all of the slots play crap in the afternoon UK time and play much better between 02:00 and 07:00 in the morning UK time?

OK inter, i have been giving this more thought and came to this result:

Example: A random event happens on average 1x in 500 events, e.g. 1 x wild line in 500 bonus rounds

- during peak casino times you have maybe 300 people playing the slot, hence it will happen more often as the 500 events are reached quicker but the chance of you having that 1 x big event is 1:500. With it happening at a higher frequency due to the player volume you might have it coming in twice during your play hours, but your chance is still only 1:250
- during off-peak hours you have maybe just 30 people playing the slot, hence it might take longer for that 1 x big event to happen but your chances to be on the receiving end have increased to just 1:30.

I have seen this happening on the VS freebie tournaments. I regularly score some FS when i play them early morning GMT where you have maybe 80-100 players taking part. In the 04:15GMT tournie on Gonzo's i score 8/10 some FS. In the afternoon and evening where you have 200+ players i get mostly super low results.

Result: Yes, choosing the right time might increase your chances of hitting that 1 x big event.