Extra Chilli Rant

dogshead1

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Just need to get this off my chest!!!!

There is no way the gamble feature on Extra Chilli is 50/50 on 8 spins,
Secondly 8 spins are a complete was of time. Never won more than 20x in over 150 features. the higher the stake the lower the win.
12-16 spins I've have 80% Non profitable features
20-24 is a rarity and only once out of 9 features have I broke 100x

The slot is a scam
And always still crashing pft!!!

Then on all casinos that offer the wheel for loyalty. That's a rigged scam too!
 
The incentive is sold that you must gamble for extra spins to manipulate the slots volatity. 8 spins is extreme high variance whereas the more spins the less volatility. However I’ve had my fare share of features at all levels and not seen any change in its volatility at all. My verdict is that it is constantly volatile. How many times have you seen the first 4-6 spins complete no wins at all levels!!! At least 50% of the time
 
Just something for you all to stew on. There has been a lot of discussion about the gamble feature running at around a 70/30 loss ratio. I’d agree with that but for me seems more 75/25. Then take into account after losing 7 of them 10 only 1 pays double your buy in. Where at any point is the RTP going to level out. Week in week out I’ll buy 10 features a set stake that’s 500x and lose the lot and never once seen 500x return. Very lucky to see 100x see where I’m getting at here???
 
The incentive is sold that you must gamble for extra spins to manipulate the slots volatity. 8 spins is extreme high variance whereas the more spins the less volatility. However I’ve had my fare share of features at all levels and not seen any change in its volatility at all. My verdict is that it is constantly volatile. How many times have you seen the first 4-6 spins complete no wins at all levels!!! At least 50% of the time

but isnt that a bit contradictory in itself? to get to lower variance version you have to play high variance gamble game?
 
I have previously stated that the 8-12 gamble is definitely NOT 50-50; there are simply too many stats now to deny this from various people. I still maintain that the wheel reflects the feature buys that drop you 12 spins in right off with 4 scatters and this is reckoned therefore overall you get 50/50 12-spin features but not 50-50 from the initial wheel.
 
Still haven't seen any of those stats, just talk about it. I guess if enough people repeat it enough times it becomes a fact? I'm really surprised how many people are perfectly willing to accuse software providers of lying without providing any proof.

I decided to do 100 gambles on the wheel to test. Not the largest sample size, but it takes a lot of time, maybe if a lot of people do the same we can get enough to really know? What I did was I bought the feature in play mode and if I got 3 scatters I would spin the wheel and write down the result, then refresh the game and go again. In total I had to buy 118 features since I got +4 18 times. Of those 100 spins on the 50/50 green wheel the results were 48 wins and 52 losses.
 
The 12-16 gamble loses more often than the 8-12 gamble despite having 6 winning segments to 4. The game is a shambles and a thief actually. My win rate over 200 feature buys on Slotsmillion is 13%
 
How can the outcome be predetermined? If you keep taking 8 spins on feature buy then you win something at least. If you gamble for 12 and lose you get nothing.

I meant on "collected" features

Collected 8 Spins for example = 20x

gamble to 12 and win = 20x

gamble again to 16 and win = 20 x

gamble and lose, your 20x goes to someone else and you don't get 20x

that's it really.
 
but isnt that a bit contradictory in itself? to get to lower variance version you have to play high variance gamble game?
No not at all, but very cheeky I may add. The fact that you are awarded high variance feature to start and given no option to choose what type of game you want only by way of gamble. Therefore the reason why we all gamble the feature up is because we want more spins and a realistic chance of getting a half decent return. Don’t get me wrong a very clever design by BTG that psychologically plays on you the gamblers instinct to gamble for that better return.

On that end though you actuallly do not get the better return your taking that huge risk for. Many of features I’ve had at 16 spins + and 8-9 of those spins are dead and the remaining result in the first two lines lining up and looking promising but the third never matching.

It like the BTG rep once quoted that the feature gamble changes the outcome of the slots volatility then will all these feature buys and gambles that have accumulated from the whole gambling community majority losing gambles resulting in a 50x stake net profit each time for the slot then would the base game show bigger hits and extremely more regular feature drop ins expelling the average of 250?

You would think so right? No it’s unheard of. A large number of us are not prepared to waste a very large sum of money to get the bias comunity the stats to prove we are right that the game is flawed and in a large way why would you???? Unless you have the money to throw away....as for accumulating figure from demo play well please don’t make me laugh. That runs a very different rule of thumb in terms of true RTP and PRTP with a RNG designed to sell the slot in a big way. As a developer you would not want your demo game to show the true reality of the slot would you???
 
I meant on "collected" features

Collected 8 Spins for example = 20x

gamble to 12 and win = 20x

gamble again to 16 and win = 20 x

gamble and lose, your 20x goes to someone else and you don't get 20x

that's it really.

Not a cat in hells chance...
 
If the gamble looks like it's 50/50 then it really should be. If it isn't, then that's seriously misleading and arguably non-compliant. But it's certainly immoral.
 
Not a cat in hells chance...

I'll accept this given the source as I trust and respect you.

Maybe I've been gambling too long or played too many AWP's over the decades but it really feels like the closest online slot to compensation I've ever come across.

Way too many dead spins in way too features to be truly anywhere near random. Really feels like a B3 machine, but as I say, I'll happily accept your response and leave it there, my foil hat is wearing thin anyway!
 
I was on stream doing bonus buys for a viewer and a previous session combined. I believe someone on chat said I lost 15 50/50 in a row.

Combined with the 100 sample size I did where it showed around 30%. I am absolutely convinced it is not 50/50 and it is about 70-30. I dont really play it unless viewers want to buy it or sometimes request it so it is what it is I guess.
 
Won 9k on Knights Life on Slotsmillion a couple of weeks ago. Decided to play some £100 feature buys on Extra Chilli. Was down to 6k in 30 mins. Game is a disgrace and as said the feature "gamble" on spins is not at any time 50/50. It's incredibly misleading.
 
No not at all, but very cheeky I may add. The fact that you are awarded high variance feature to start and given no option to choose what type of game you want only by way of gamble. Therefore the reason why we all gamble the feature up is because we want more spins and a realistic chance of getting a half decent return. Don’t get me wrong a very clever design by BTG that psychologically plays on you the gamblers instinct to gamble for that better return.

On that end though you actuallly do not get the better return your taking that huge risk for. Many of features I’ve had at 16 spins + and 8-9 of those spins are dead and the remaining result in the first two lines lining up and looking promising but the third never matching.

It like the BTG rep once quoted that the feature gamble changes the outcome of the slots volatility then will all these feature buys and gambles that have accumulated from the whole gambling community majority losing gambles resulting in a 50x stake net profit each time for the slot then would the base game show bigger hits and extremely more regular feature drop ins expelling the average of 250?

You would think so right? No it’s unheard of. A large number of us are not prepared to waste a very large sum of money to get the bias comunity the stats to prove we are right that the game is flawed and in a large way why would you???? Unless you have the money to throw away....as for accumulating figure from demo play well please don’t make me laugh. That runs a very different rule of thumb in terms of true RTP and PRTP with a RNG designed to sell the slot in a big way. As a developer you would not want your demo game to show the true reality of the slot would you???

i said that days before its release. this slot could very well be the ideal slot for slot developers and casinos. In theory it "has" 96% rtp but over its lifetime it might as well never go past 77% because of all the lost gambles but people pretty much ignored it.
 
I’d suggest for all that a calling we got collected evidence we set up a horse fund for the lowest stake £10 buys. A vote on this forum to determine who the horse would be and a cut of 45/55, 40/60 whatever for the time and stream/video of 200-500 buys or more for a given session a long one at that hence a genourous share in the returns.

No rule of how much you donate but someone to moderate the whole horse fund. All whatever the final balance is shall be distributed accoss all donors according to amount invested etc.

Links to the stream/video evidence posted here of results
 
I've played it a a decent amount on 10€ buys and I've definitely had streaks in both directions. Losing the first wheel some 8 times in a row as well as landing 16/20 spins more than 5 times in a row. It's obviously incredibly high variance to buy the bonuses and gambling for more spins only increases that. I'm also pretty sure BTG have stated that each spin in a bonus is simply a new separate normal spin every time. If that weren't the case they probably wouldn't go around saying that there's just no point to do that. People seem to have a real hard time dealing with randomness and with this kind of slot design and variance you're just bound to get mind boggling good and bad luck.
 

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