Extra Chilli Rant

dogshead1

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Just need to get this off my chest!!!!

There is no way the gamble feature on Extra Chilli is 50/50 on 8 spins,
Secondly 8 spins are a complete was of time. Never won more than 20x in over 150 features. the higher the stake the lower the win.
12-16 spins I've have 80% Non profitable features
20-24 is a rarity and only once out of 9 features have I broke 100x

The slot is a scam
And always still crashing pft!!!

Then on all casinos that offer the wheel for loyalty. That's a rigged scam too!
 

dogshead1

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The incentive is sold that you must gamble for extra spins to manipulate the slots volatity. 8 spins is extreme high variance whereas the more spins the less volatility. However I’ve had my fare share of features at all levels and not seen any change in its volatility at all. My verdict is that it is constantly volatile. How many times have you seen the first 4-6 spins complete no wins at all levels!!! At least 50% of the time
 

dogshead1

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Just something for you all to stew on. There has been a lot of discussion about the gamble feature running at around a 70/30 loss ratio. I’d agree with that but for me seems more 75/25. Then take into account after losing 7 of them 10 only 1 pays double your buy in. Where at any point is the RTP going to level out. Week in week out I’ll buy 10 features a set stake that’s 500x and lose the lot and never once seen 500x return. Very lucky to see 100x see where I’m getting at here???
 

theapple

Senior Member
The incentive is sold that you must gamble for extra spins to manipulate the slots volatity. 8 spins is extreme high variance whereas the more spins the less volatility. However I’ve had my fare share of features at all levels and not seen any change in its volatility at all. My verdict is that it is constantly volatile. How many times have you seen the first 4-6 spins complete no wins at all levels!!! At least 50% of the time
but isnt that a bit contradictory in itself? to get to lower variance version you have to play high variance gamble game?
 

Jono777

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Its a fruit machine.

Whether 8, 12, 16, 20 or 24 spins the outcome is already decided.

Many will ridicule, experience tells me otherwise ;)
 

dunover

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I have previously stated that the 8-12 gamble is definitely NOT 50-50; there are simply too many stats now to deny this from various people. I still maintain that the wheel reflects the feature buys that drop you 12 spins in right off with 4 scatters and this is reckoned therefore overall you get 50/50 12-spin features but not 50-50 from the initial wheel.
 

zap987

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Still haven't seen any of those stats, just talk about it. I guess if enough people repeat it enough times it becomes a fact? I'm really surprised how many people are perfectly willing to accuse software providers of lying without providing any proof.

I decided to do 100 gambles on the wheel to test. Not the largest sample size, but it takes a lot of time, maybe if a lot of people do the same we can get enough to really know? What I did was I bought the feature in play mode and if I got 3 scatters I would spin the wheel and write down the result, then refresh the game and go again. In total I had to buy 118 features since I got +4 18 times. Of those 100 spins on the 50/50 green wheel the results were 48 wins and 52 losses.
 

EkJR

Experienced Member
The 12-16 gamble loses more often than the 8-12 gamble despite having 6 winning segments to 4. The game is a shambles and a thief actually. My win rate over 200 feature buys on Slotsmillion is 13%
 

goatwack

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If the bonus is predetermined (probably is) then that would mean the wheel 'gamble' is just eye candy and essentially predetermined too.....

Oh yeah :cool:
 

Jono777

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How can the outcome be predetermined? If you keep taking 8 spins on feature buy then you win something at least. If you gamble for 12 and lose you get nothing.
I meant on "collected" features

Collected 8 Spins for example = 20x

gamble to 12 and win = 20x

gamble again to 16 and win = 20 x

gamble and lose, your 20x goes to someone else and you don't get 20x

that's it really.
 

EkJR

Experienced Member
Yes that sounds more feasible. That feature buy is a shambles. Never ever really get ANY good wins from the game.
 

Jono777

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Yes that sounds more feasible. That feature buy is a shambles. Never ever really get ANY good wins from the game.
Agreed, 90% of my (very few) decent feature have come from natural "drop ins" or cascades. Likewise 90% of my brought features have been total shit!
 

dogshead1

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but isnt that a bit contradictory in itself? to get to lower variance version you have to play high variance gamble game?
No not at all, but very cheeky I may add. The fact that you are awarded high variance feature to start and given no option to choose what type of game you want only by way of gamble. Therefore the reason why we all gamble the feature up is because we want more spins and a realistic chance of getting a half decent return. Don’t get me wrong a very clever design by BTG that psychologically plays on you the gamblers instinct to gamble for that better return.

On that end though you actuallly do not get the better return your taking that huge risk for. Many of features I’ve had at 16 spins + and 8-9 of those spins are dead and the remaining result in the first two lines lining up and looking promising but the third never matching.

It like the BTG rep once quoted that the feature gamble changes the outcome of the slots volatility then will all these feature buys and gambles that have accumulated from the whole gambling community majority losing gambles resulting in a 50x stake net profit each time for the slot then would the base game show bigger hits and extremely more regular feature drop ins expelling the average of 250?

You would think so right? No it’s unheard of. A large number of us are not prepared to waste a very large sum of money to get the bias comunity the stats to prove we are right that the game is flawed and in a large way why would you???? Unless you have the money to throw away....as for accumulating figure from demo play well please don’t make me laugh. That runs a very different rule of thumb in terms of true RTP and PRTP with a RNG designed to sell the slot in a big way. As a developer you would not want your demo game to show the true reality of the slot would you???
 

trancemonkey

Meister Member
I meant on "collected" features

Collected 8 Spins for example = 20x

gamble to 12 and win = 20x

gamble again to 16 and win = 20 x

gamble and lose, your 20x goes to someone else and you don't get 20x

that's it really.
Not a cat in hells chance...
 

trancemonkey

Meister Member
If the gamble looks like it's 50/50 then it really should be. If it isn't, then that's seriously misleading and arguably non-compliant. But it's certainly immoral.
 

Jono777

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Not a cat in hells chance...
I'll accept this given the source as I trust and respect you.

Maybe I've been gambling too long or played too many AWP's over the decades but it really feels like the closest online slot to compensation I've ever come across.

Way too many dead spins in way too features to be truly anywhere near random. Really feels like a B3 machine, but as I say, I'll happily accept your response and leave it there, my foil hat is wearing thin anyway!
 

BillyBonanza

Experienced Member
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I was on stream doing bonus buys for a viewer and a previous session combined. I believe someone on chat said I lost 15 50/50 in a row.

Combined with the 100 sample size I did where it showed around 30%. I am absolutely convinced it is not 50/50 and it is about 70-30. I dont really play it unless viewers want to buy it or sometimes request it so it is what it is I guess.
 
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